[00:02] <Bashing-om> sem: I do not see where any of the above pertains to your situation. All I know to do now is try the proprietary driver install once more and see what results, We now know from experience upon failure is easy to revert back to nouveau.
[00:02] <sem> that's true
[00:03] <Bashing-om> sem: Are we ckean ' dpkg -l | grep -i ^nvidia ; lsmod | grep nvidia ' ?
[00:04] <sem> if it doesn't work i can submit a report
[00:04] <Bashing-om> clean* - arthritus in my fingers -= arrgg .
[00:04] <sem> yup! no results
[00:05] <sem> ready for ' sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' ?
[00:06] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-340 focal
[00:07] <Bashing-om> sem: Reckon what would result if we bypass "autoinstall" and express the install as 340 ?
[00:09] <sem> last few times I tried it did the same thing, trying to compile (the dkms module?) and failing. Hopefully this time it works?
[00:09] <sem> Should I just ' apt install nvidia-340
[00:10] <sem> or is there a different way that is better
[00:10] <Bashing-om> sem: If it does fail; once again -  I agree is time to let the big boys know there is a problem.
[00:11] <Bashing-om> sem: sudo apt install nvidia-340 should work - though later verison drivers have a different convention.
[00:12] <sem> if you're curious this is the dryrun: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/N7kP5Z4mRj/
[00:15] <Bashing-om> sem: I do want to know - looking ^ ,
[00:17] <sem> do you think this message is relevant? "dpkg: error: version '-' has bad syntax: revision number is empty" https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PGj9rjzKXF/
[00:17] <sarnold> sem: hold on..
[00:17] <Bashing-om> sem so far - all I got was to line 35 - looks good. 470 version for "settings" I think is OK .
[00:18] <sarnold> sem: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-340.postinst to replace $KERNELS with $CURRENT_KERNEL ; then dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-340 ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853977
[00:19] <sem> this is interesting -- i'm browsing https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa and they have a package called nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 is that what I actually want?
[00:19] <sem> sarnold, thanks, taking a look!
[00:23] <skitto> My boot issue: disconnected usb during active use, btw USB audio interface and JACK2 software, effectively stopping and hanging the process, and could not recover by plugging back in so rebooted machine and discovered now it wont complete boot, getting hung on some process during the boot, seen here https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jgVof8w7/20211218_162936.jpg
[00:24] <skitto> Please if you respond type my screenname and mention me so i can actually find the reply, thanks so much
[00:26] <Bashing-om> skitto: Have you booted the liveUSB and ran a file system check/fix ?
[00:26] <sem> sarnold, when I try I get the dpkg message: nvidia-340 is broken or not fully installed
[00:26] <sem> at this point can I remove it and install it again, except that will probably replace the script I just changed
[00:27] <sarnold> sem: hm :( I haven't seen this one myself, since I don't have nvidias around, but I really hoped it'd be a simple fix :(
[00:28] <sem> i'm hopeful though, now it just seems like we're trying to get dpkg to try to install it again
[00:29] <sem> Ok I did apt install, it is trying again. Fingers crossed
[00:30] <sem> still no dice
[00:30] <sem> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9Z3GXrRhvs/
[00:32] <sarnold> sem: oh man :(
[00:33] <sarnold> I've got no advice on how to get past this one :(
[00:33] <sem> i'm going to try installing the version that's in the ppa
[00:34] <skitto> Bashing-om: yes, booted to recovery mode (forgot to mention i have lowlatency kernel installed which likely was more sensitive to having a connection suddenly change)
[00:34] <Bashing-om> sem: Just remember one must purge the old driver prior to the re-install !
[00:35] <skitto> Fsck cleared orphaned inodes, rebooting again still fails
[00:35] <sem> Bashing-om, thanks, I forgot I only removed. However, I can't find "nvidia-graphics-drivers-340" in apt, even though it's on the website of the ppa\
[00:36] <Bashing-om> skitto: From the liveUSB - are all your files intact ? Might then consider from a chroot to re-install grub. Had this same issue a couple of days past and re-installing grub worked for me.
[00:37] <skitto> Bashing-om: will attempt. Thanks much
[00:38] <sem> However, on the PPA, looking at the details of the package, it says they are dropping it in favor of nouveau, since it's not supported by nvidia any more
[00:38] <sem> shrug
[00:38] <Bashing-om> skitto: Just make sure also that the installed operating system is not in a read-oly mode !
[00:38] <sem> since I seem to be getting crashes relating to the graphics card, maybe it is better to just use the onboard graphics, if I can find a VGA cable :D
[00:38] <skitto> Bashing-om: noted
[00:39] <Bashing-om> sem: In the process of dropping - we still maintain it. See: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[00:41] <sem> thanks, I thought it meant they were recommending nouveau instead
[00:43] <Bashing-om> sem: A thought as nvidia says "and support for Linux kernels up to Linux 5.4 " .. might consider install 20.04 as the original release does run the 5.4 kernel series. presenly " 5.4.0-91-generic ". Maybe the hitch here is in the 5.11 kernel ?
[00:43] <sem> Bashing-om, am I wrong that this is the name of the package I should be trying to find: nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 ?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> sem: That syntax looks sane to me :)
[00:47] <sem> problem is apt can't find it
[00:48] <sem> but here it is on the web https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/12668711/+listing-archive-extra
[00:49] <sem> or wait, lower down it has a list of "built packages" and there it is called nvidia-340 again
[00:49] <sarnold> source packages often build multiple binary packages, and the names of source packages don't have to relate to the names of the binary packages
[00:50] <sem> I suppose at this point my best lead is to install the 5.4 kernel and try to install it again (perhaps fixing the KERNELS typo)
[00:51] <jjakob> why is apt trying to connect to ipv6 when the machine has no global ipv6?
[00:51] <Bashing-om> sem: That is only my thought to try and isolate to the 5.11 kernel.
[00:51] <sem> is there a way to download the stuff from apt, correct the typo, and THEN install it?
[00:52] <jjakob> hmm the real error is "Could not connect to ppa.launchpad.net:80 (91.189.95.85), connection timed out"
[00:52] <jjakob> I can ping that ip fine
[00:54] <sem> Interesting, looks like 5.4 is out of support now though. "Canonical provides critical updates for linux-image-5.4.0-91-generic until Sat Oct 23 2021."
[00:55] <sarnold> sem: I don't know where that october date comes from, it's probably not very useful
[00:55] <sarnold> sem: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle says the 5.4 kernel will have standard support for a while longer
[00:57] <sem> ok that seems more accurage
[00:59] <sem> I'm installing linux-image-5.4.0-91-generic and the corresponding modules and headers, but I was surprised that I can't find a package that depends on the latest kernel in this line
[00:59] <sarnold> sem: linux-image-generic
[00:59] <sarnold> sem: I'm off, have fun, good luck :)
[00:59] <sem> thanks for your help!
[01:05] <sem> well 5.4 kernel seems good so far
[01:05] <sem> ok so now my goal is to install nvidia-340, but before I do it, I want to change the post-installation script
[01:09] <sem> so is there a way to use apt to download the packages, but defer installing them until I have a chance to edit "/var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-340.postinst" ?
[01:11] <sem> sudo apt install --download-only nvidia340
[01:12] <sem> hmm but that still doesn't give me /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-340.postinst
[01:13] <Bashing-om> sem: But such a directory will not exist untill the download executes - yes ?
[01:13] <sem> that seems to be what happened
[01:13] <sem> so I guess it has to fail first, then I have to change the file
[01:14] <Bashing-om> sem: *IF* it fails with the 5.4 kernel that is :(
[01:15] <sem> interesting, it looks like dkpg is building it for both 5.4 and 5.11
[01:15] <Bashing-om> sem: Wow - DKMS smarts ?
[01:16] <sem> Bashing-om, I'm not sure how it knows. I'll send you the apt output when it finishes
[01:16] <sem> i think it might have worked for 5.4
[01:17] <sem> but it fails for 5.11 and so dkpg doesn't exit cleanly
[01:17] <sem> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HqJjsQk7hN/
[01:18] <Bashing-om> sem: As sarnold did add this instance to the bug report . maybe we wait and see what the big boys have to say ?
[01:19] <sem> they didn't respond after any of the other comments... did he add this one? I saw him comment on 11/3/2021
[01:21] <Bashing-om> sem: lemme hunt up the bug report - now be a good time to reboot into the 5.4 kernel and see if the 430 version driver works :)
[01:21] <sem> sarnold did add a comment. I am also commenting to post this latest output
[01:23] <Bashing-om> sem: bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853977 . and in our repo the name is nvidia-340 .
[01:24] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-340 focal
[01:26] <Bashing-om> sem: ^ which is the same version as that of the PPA - now I must wonder how the package manager knows where to get this latest version ? and keeping in mind that oerheks advised that the repo version links back to nouveau !
[01:27] <sem> i am not sure how it links back? I think in focal it does not link back, but in the newer ones it does ?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-340 hirsute
[01:29] <Bashing-om> sem: ^^ Yup - you do have the right of it :)
[01:29] <sem> ok right now, dkpg is not happy, says that nvidia-340 isn't properly installed or removed yet.
[01:29] <sem> One thing I could do is completely uninstall the 5.11 kernel
[01:30] <Bashing-om> sem: what shows ' sudo-dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-340 ' ?
[01:30] <sem> on sec, i did "sudo apt install" and now it is trying to install it again
[01:31] <Bashing-om> sem:  ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-340 ' &
[01:32] <sem> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nvidia-340 is broken or not fully installed
[01:34] <Bashing-om> sem: Shucks . At this point I am all in fabor for burning a 20.04.1 ( .1 !!) and in this live environment see what happens when installing the 430 version driver.
[01:35] <Bashing-om> favor*
[01:35] <sem> I can do that. However, what would happen if I just uninstalled the 5.11 line of kernels? Would apt even let me?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> sem: One can update to HWE from the GA install - I am not in favor of HWE on older hardware however.
[01:38] <Bashing-om> sem: so long as the 5.4 kernel if fully installed - and you have tested that you can indeed boot from the 5.4 kernel then yes on may remove the HWE stuff . not a lot of pain to do so.
[01:49] <Bashing-om> sem: Away from the keyboard for a spell -
[02:01] <sem> me too, had to uninstall hwe in stages
[02:02] <unixbeard> hi, I (unfortunately) have an rog strix 550-e mb with the dreaded intel 2.5G chip bug.  I need to specify a 100MB/s link speed in Ubuntu 20.04 to attempt to resolve this.  how do I change the speed?
[02:05] <tomreyn> unixbeard: try this: sudo ethtool -s DEVNAME speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
[02:05] <tomreyn> "MB" would be megabyte, though, link speeds are specified in megabit
[02:08] <unixbeard> tomreyn: my bad, Mb/s.  when I do that, and then open the ubuntu 20.04 settings gui, it still says wired is connected at 1000 Mb/s.
[02:09] <tomreyn> unixbeard: see what    ip link   says
[02:11] <unixbeard> tomreyn: ip link and ethtool both say 1000 Mb/s
[02:13] <unixbeard> oh, dmesg reports [267311.974858] igc 0000:06:00.0 enp6s0: Force mode currently not supported
[02:14] <tomreyn> what's the advice you're following in trying to resolve the problem, and what are the details of said problem?
[02:15] <sem> Bashing-om, ok removed the HWE, now I think I have to restart and see if I am using the new drivers
[02:15] <tomreyn> is it this issue that you're discussing? https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/kppyoi/psa_asus_motherboards_with_intel_i225v_25gb_nic/
[02:15] <unixbeard> tomreyn: yeah basically
[02:16] <unixbeard> tomreyn: I am looking for both a temporary work around, and I guess a pci network card for this board with literally 20+ bios updates :)
[02:16] <unixbeard> it's absurd
[02:17] <sem> actually looks like ubuntu-drivers devices already reports me using nvidia-340. Awesome
[02:17] <tomreyn> unixbeard: this post lists affected *hardware* versions. if yours is one of them - have you actually verified this? - then there will be no complete fix in software or firmware
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> sem: nvidia-smi to see a nice report
[02:18] <unixbeard> tomreyn: yeah, others have reported limiting it to 100Mb/s solves or improves the problem for them
[02:18] <sem> NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running.
[02:19] <sem> 340 is probably too old to support it
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> sem: sudo lshw -C video in a pastebin please?
[02:20] <sem> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wfqjV6NWdV/
[02:20] <sem> maybe i have to restart or something because this says nouveau
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> sem: wich ubuntu flavour are you on?
[02:23] <sem> lubuntu 20.04
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> sem: try to see if you can find additional drivers section, for a switch from nouveau to 340
[02:26] <Bashing-om> sem: Back :) Might see what results - reboot - then purge the driver and attenpt as a fresh install on the booted the 5.4 kernel.
[02:27] <sem> rebooting
[02:30] <sem> now lshw reports nvidia driver
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> yay
[02:31] <sem> and nvidia-smi works
[02:32] <sem> thank you Bashing-om !
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Bashing-om xmas
[02:38] <Bashing-om> sem: While is great that the 340 driver installs on the 5.4 kernel - still note such on the ups bug report and what you did to get it functional from that initial HWE stack.
[02:40] <Bashing-om> My fav too - chocolate chip cookies - thanks ubottu :D
[02:42] <nicoz-> happy xmas for all ;)*§
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> the same to you nicoz-
[02:45] <nicoz-> ;)
[02:45] <gholarom> im looking for a way to put daily/monthly data limit for internet usage in ubuntu. not looking for internet speed limiter but total data limiter, like 5GB per month.
[02:45] <nicoz-> Was it an alcoholic Christmas?
[02:46] <leftyfb> !ot | nicoz-
[02:46] <leftyfb> gholarom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ParentalControls
[02:46] <jhutchins> gholarom: Metered provider?
[02:46] <gholarom> yes
[02:51] <gholarom> leftyfb: ParentalControls doesnt have the tool im looking for
[02:51] <leftyfb> gholarom: then you probably want a router to do what you're asking for
[02:52] <gholarom> not really. im looking for data usage limiter that is similar to the one in windows 10
[03:23] <tomreyn> gholarom: i'm not aware of a fixed / complete solution *on ubuntu* (I agree you should prefer doing so on a router instead). but are you aware of the "restrict background data usage" option on network manager - i think this can help reduce the data transferred at least.
[03:26] <tomreyn> other than that, you could monitor interface statistics - but those will be reset when the link goes down / system is rebooted
[03:27] <gholarom> thanks. so my only option currently is monitor only and manually stop using the internet right?
[03:28] <tomreyn> you could monitor with scripting and with a cron job. but there is no failsafe solution
[03:28] <tomreyn> not with this approach
[03:28] <gholarom> ok thanks. it is resolved then :)
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> gholarom: apt-cache search limiter/ snap find limiter might widen your options perhaps?
[03:29] <gholarom> yeah i already search around and google. i thought maybe something exist that i dont know how to search
[03:33] <gholarom> then come another question. i need to future proof my laptop because ubuntu 20.04 on kernel 5.4 is the last working supported for proprietary nvidia driver.
[03:34] <gholarom> is there a way to create installation media with all my current software installed with current update of today
[03:39] <gholarom> nevermind. im googling that :) sorry for the trouble and thanks for the help :)
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> gholarom: grab yourself a 20.04.0 iso where 5.4 was default and keep it spare
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> gholarom: installing fav apps easy, sudo apt install app1 app2 app3
[03:40] <gholarom> yes. i kept 1 close to heart. was looking for a way to preserve stuff when things went unsupported in the far future
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> we used to have aptoncd, but not active anymore on current releases
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> maybe someone else knows another alternate
[03:43] <jhutchins> !quota
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> !info quota
[03:44] <jhutchins> gholarom: That's disk quotas, not network quotas.  I don't think I've ever seen network quotas.
[03:45] <jhutchins> gholarom: Of course, it's counter to your provider's interestes to warn you when you're close to your limit.  Better to let you go over and charge you.
[03:50] <jhutchins> It's just crazy that we have both unlimited auto-play animated advertizing and metered subscriptions.
[04:06] <sem> Bashing-om, i updated my comment on the bug issue, but looking at it, I think the issue is just about the dkpg error message, not the compiling problem. But better there than nowhere
[04:07] <sem> 340 is a lot better than nouveau though. Firefox scrolling used to have so much random tearing and artifacts
[04:07] <Bashing-om> sem: At the least there you did provide a possible working solution for others to process.
[04:08] <sem> yeah esp if they search that error code and find that bug
[04:09] <sem> thanks again for all your ideas and help
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> sem: try out falkon on lubuntu, pretty fast light browser, works great on older boxes
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> !info falkon
[04:09] <Bashing-om> sem: I too run Nvidia - I have no issue with the nouveau driver,now -  earlier I had to run the proprietary driver ( still installed on "test bed" installs)- for what little I do nouveau does well now.
[04:13] <gholarom> nouveau do works well. but it can run hotter. on my system, on idle, it run 10degC hotter. thats why i decide to go back to ubuntu 20.04 and keep 5.4 kernel
[04:25] <Bashing-om> gholarom: I too run just a bit warm: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp >> 35500 milli-degrees Centigrade.
[05:46] <rjwiii> Why is it that some program versions are so far behind for LTS versions?
[05:49] <Bashing-om> !latest | rjwiii
[05:50] <rjwiii> !backports
[05:58] <rjwiii> hmmmmm ... interesting ... Google Chrome is fairly current ... yet GnuCash is literally years behind ...
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> rjwiii: snap info gnucash
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> rjwiii: and google chrome is not an officialy package on ubuntu, try chromium instead
[08:26] <farkaan> How do I make middle click on the titlebar minimize the window?
[10:08] <knightwise> hey everyone
[10:16] <knightwise> hey everyone
[10:16] <knightwise> merry Xmas
[10:27] <maquisistem> thanks
[11:06] <newbie--> And a happy new year!
[11:32] <maquisistem> to you too...
[11:33] <jjakob> I've diagnosed this issue with apt-get failing to connect to ppa.launchpad.net down to ppa.launchpad.net not responding (91.189.95.85 or ganondorf.canonical.com)
[11:33] <jjakob> packet capture at my router's wan interface show syn packets leaving but nothing coming back
[11:34] <jjakob> sometimes it establishes one or two http sessions but then fails so apt-get update never completes
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> jjakob: wich package are we talking about, did you add somethign external?
[11:34] <guiverc> jjakob, does the PPA provide support for your release?  PPAs build only for the releases the owner says to build for.
[11:36]  * guiverc clarifies owner being owner of the 3rd party PPA or personal package archive; not Canonical
[11:36] <jjakob> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/costamagnagianfranco/borgbackup/ubuntu focal main; deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/deadsnakes/ppa/ubuntu focal main
[11:37] <jjakob> apt-get update never even completes, the error is timed out connecting to ppa.launchpad.net, surely that's a bigger problem than the ppa not having any packages for my version
[11:37] <jjakob> I can post tcpdumps
[11:38] <jjakob> these ppas worked fine a few months ago, not like I just added them
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> jjakob: borgbackup is on the ubuntu repos already
[11:39] <guiverc> jjakob, I see two packages available (tamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/borgbackup?field.series_filter=focal) but you've not mentioned any package attempts that I can see.
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> !info borgbackup
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> jjakob: try to revert your externaly added ppa to the ubuntu vanilla sources, sudo apt update and try again
[11:49] <jjakob> https://paste.debian.net/1224719/
[11:50] <jjakob> pasted apt-get update and tcpdumps from 2 different runs
[11:51] <jjakob> well sure, if I disable those 2 ppa's, I can update and dist-upgrade fine
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> !sources | jjakob
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> jjakob: the volunteers cant support external ppa's, thats support for its maintainer(s)
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> we can only advice you the ubuntu part
[11:52] <jjakob> lotuspsychje: I've been using ubuntu for >10 years on countless servers and desktops so I know all about it
[11:53] <jjakob> ppa.launchpad.net having a connection timed out is a repo maintainer problem, not a launchpad infra problem?
[11:53] <jjakob> or a routing issue somewhere on the net
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> jjakob: for the ubuntu repos you can visit #ubuntu-mirrors
[11:55] <jjakob> I did a dist-upgrade fine w/ disabled ppa.launchpad.net, now enabled back and the problem is back, I'm out of ideas other than rebooting the server.
[12:10] <jjakob> I'm using the ppa because it has borgbackup 1.1.17, official only has 1.1.15
[12:12] <jjakob> and it does contain my release (focal) and the right packages for it, so no reason for it to not work
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> jjakob: could try the ubuntu !backports
[12:14] <jjakob> !backports borgbackup
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> !backports
[12:17] <jjakob> right. I tried going to packages.ubuntu.com in my browser and it's doing the exact same thing, it stalls loading somewhere at the beginning and never loads the page. tcpdump shows the exact same behavior of unanswered syns
[12:17] <RikMills> that ppa works ok here on focal
[12:19] <jjakob> as in, there is 1 second of normal connection, then a RST from my side, then it times out on unanswered SYNs
[12:20] <RikMills> also tried from another server, and works there as well
[12:21] <jjakob> and this is from a completely different connection, but both are on the same ISP in the same local region
[12:21] <RikMills> tried from here in the UK and from a sever in Frankfurt
[12:21] <RikMills> both wor
[12:21] <jjakob> so it seems like it's from my ISP
[12:31] <jjakob> traceroute to packages.ubuntu.com works fine with -T / TCP 80
[12:32] <jjakob> now I could load the page but randomly get internal server error responses from Apache
[12:33] <jjakob> and now it's timing out again
[12:34] <jjakob> not sure it's my ISP yet... the working traceroutes and internal server error from apache at packages.ubuntu.com has me doubtinh
[12:41] <Assid> heta
[12:43] <Assid> so im trying to access samba share from the file manager.. and whenever i trt and access any location i get  "failed to retrieve share list  from server  invalid argument"
[12:45] <ice9> how to run firefox snap with firejail?
[12:53] <ice9> why firefox is now a snap by default?
[12:56] <Assid> theyve been moving everything to snap.. personally i dont like it either
[12:57] <Jeremy31> Snaps are easier for developers
[13:10] <Assid> ok this is crazy.. i cant access anhy samba share
[13:11] <Assid> anyone using 21.04 and able to access samba shares
[13:17] <Assid> alrite can someone help me with this ?
[13:18] <Assid> https://pasteboard.co/cPJOzRGZhHqf.png
[14:05] <bittin> Updating my Ubuntu MATE laptop :)
[14:08] <hiya> do you guys know where can I get the official ISO for my dell laptop? it apparently supports 20.04 but came with Windows 10 in India
[14:08] <hiya> I want to get official Ubuntu ISO for Dell Vostro 11th gen Intel laptop
[14:11] <Jeremy31> hiya: ask Dell as they have some of there own repos to support some newer hardware
[14:11] <hiya> Jeremy31: they shared some ISO download links, but when I enter my service tag
[14:11] <hiya> it shows Windows 10 download only
[14:12] <hiya> mine is certified Dell laptop as per certification page
[14:12] <hiya> Cannot you guys help?
[14:16] <Jeremy31> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=20.04.3&architecture=amd64
[14:23] <hiya> Jeremy31: is there any official gnome ISO?
[14:26] <Jeremy31> hiya: 20.04 should have Gnome by default
[14:26] <hiya> but it shows Ubuntu desktop
[14:27] <Jeremy31> It is a fork of Gnome
[14:27] <hiya> yes I know. But I want vanilla Gnome
[14:27] <hiya> Is that not possible any more?
[14:28] <hiya> https://ubuntu.com/blog/whats-new-in-ubuntu-desktop-20-04-lts
[14:28] <Jeremy31> It might be possible, I don't mess with DE's much
[14:28] <hiya> Tier-1 OEM support, it reads
[14:28] <hiya> Are LTS versions special?
[14:28] <hiya> Like normal versions/releases do not have these kind of support, correct?
[14:29] <Jeremy31> hiya: support for 5 years for Ubuntu on LTS, short term has 9 month support
[14:29] <hiya> Does LTS bundle special kernel for certified hardware, if detected?
[14:29] <hiya> Or is that not the case?
[14:30] <Jeremy31> LTS offers some newer kernels, I know 5.13 kernel is in the LTS repo
[14:44] <hiya> Jeremy31: sorry to ask too much, but does LTS come with special packages to aid 'Tier-1 OEM support' claim?
[14:44] <Jeremy31> No idea
[14:45] <hiya> hmm thanks
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> hiya: some brands will install OEM kernel automaticly
[14:46] <hiya> Jeremy31: is Ubuntu the most popular? Do you recommend LTS or new version for 11th gen Intel laptop? There is always sleeping/wake up issues, or issues like battery dies over night if not plugged in, when laptop sleeps
[14:46] <hiya> lotuspsychje: so LTS or 21.10?
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> hiya: OEM kernels are on the repos for several ubuntu releases
[14:47] <Jeremy31> I would try the LTS as it is supported for 3 more years and Ubuntu 22.04 will be out sometime in April
[14:48] <hiya> lotuspsychje: Can we search something for dell vostro 3500? 11th gen i5
[14:48] <hiya> Jeremy31: ok thanks
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> hiya: apt will do the work for you, depending on your hardware
[14:49] <hiya> hmm
[14:49] <hiya> during installation?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> hiya: when connected to internet and you chosen updates during setup, apt will find the most reccomended packages for you
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> hiya: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/OEMKernel
[14:56] <beuys> Hello! How do I transfer a photo from my iPad to my Ubuntu laptop? Both are connected to the same wifi.
[14:59] <hiya> lotuspsychje: should I do net install or live USB works?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> hiya: you want ubuntu-desktop as base?
[15:00] <hiya> I want Gnome vanilla
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> hiya: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-gnome-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa
[15:03] <hiya> Although in Live USB I am not disliking ubuntu desktop at all
[15:03] <hiya> It is cute and all
[15:03] <hiya> :)
[15:03] <hiya> Very settled
[15:22] <Myron> Does anyone know what this message means?  "br0: received packet on wl1 with  own address as source address"
[16:08] <suyash20> Hello
[16:08] <suyash20> How do we use this?
[16:10] <zaggynl> hello suyash20, use what?
[16:14] <suyash20> hello zaggynl, I meant how do I learn basic commands on HexChat?
[16:15] <john__> it's very instinctive :)
[16:20] <nichlas> Merry Christmas
[16:23] <nichlas> I'm enjoying Ubuntu a lot. Can someone tell me which command I can use to change the mount point of a ZFS pool? The guides I have found until now have all copied the same incomplete steps which hasn't helped me. I have it mounted already, but I don't like the root mount point it has now.
[16:43] <tcurdt> on a fresh 20.04 a "apt-get -y --no-install-recommends install mysql-server" fails with a "chfn: PAM: Authentication token is no longer valid; new one required"
[16:44] <tcurdt> any idea what that is about?
[16:58] <jhutchins> tcurdt: Did you apt-get update?
[16:59] <tcurdt> jhutchins yes, I did
[16:59] <tcurdt> I got it to install with a workaround (linking chfn to true) but that's not great
[17:00] <jjakob> Myron: do you have wifi and cable connected at the same time?
[17:00] <tcurdt> seems like the postinst script does something weird that I don't understand
[17:02] <jhutchins> tcurdt: Probably sets up the test databaswe and root user.
[17:02] <jhutchins> tcurdt: In other distros there is important information in /usr/share/doc/mysql*
[17:06] <tcurdt> jhutchins mysql.user has entries ... so I am at a loss ... and I would think the package should install without having to look into the docs
[17:08] <Guest6499> KEN
[17:09] <Guest6499> HOW TO RESTORE SOUND
[17:23] <jhutchins> tcurdt: I don't think a databaswe management system should ever install without having to read the docs.  It certainly shouldn't be enabled or started.
[17:24] <jhutchins> Guest6499: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[17:24] <tcurdt> jhutchins I guess we disagree there ... and it seems like common practise sides with me
[18:28] <morganu> I want to know what Bluetooth 5 dongle works with Ubuntu.
[18:30] <morganu> This article 9 months ago, only lists BT4 devices
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> morganu: when you buy hardware, mostly the supported Os(es) will show on the package
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> morganu: also if ubuntu doesnt recognize your hardware by default, there are a few other things to try also
[18:33] <morganu> I have found 3, on Amazon: Edimax@$13, QWnet@$8, ASUS USB-BT500 @$20
[18:33] <morganu> morning lotuspsychje
[18:33] <morganu> (from LA)
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> morning
[18:33] <morganu> LA CA USA (not LA USA in The South)
[18:37] <tomreyn> tcurdt: is this a digital oceand ubuntu image by chance?
[18:39] <tomreyn> the only place i found this error message in relation to mysql server is on their forums, and i guess they have ubuntu installation customizations in place. this one would suggest you need to set new authentication credentials for some user - maybe there was more related information available in context of this one message you posted.
[18:39] <morganu> Question#2: My Chrome (on Ubu natch) does not synch "automatically saved and filled in" passwords with Android chrome.
[18:40] <morganu> Question#2: My Chrome (on Ubuntu 20.04 the current long term support version) does not synch "automatically saved and filled in" passwords with Android chrome.
[18:41] <morganu> And ditto with 2 android chrome devices. Both Android 7.
[18:41] <morganu> It's like they are cousins in different cities instead of fraternal twins.
[19:05] <ogra_> morganu, if you actually use chrome (not chromium), you have to ask google .... chrome is proprietary software, nothing that can be supported here
[19:06] <morganu> ogra_, thanks for responding. can I use chromium on an android device?
[19:06] <ogra_> no idea 🙂
[19:06] <morganu> OK will search.
[19:06] <morganu> TY
[19:07] <ogra_> (probably ... but i guess by default there is only chroe on android)
[19:07] <ogra_> *chrome
[19:08] <ogra_> morganu, might be related to https://blog.chromium.org/2021/01/limiting-private-api-availability-in.html
[19:10] <tomreyn> chromium and chrome have a certain dependency on cloud provided services, which may or may not be available to non paying (by data contribution) users.
[19:53] <tcurdt> tomreyn it's an hetzner cloud image ... I kinda doubt they are doing customizations on the package level ... I am aware of some of the authentication changes - but those are required to be applied AFTTER the install. And the error happens in a postinst script.
[19:57] <tomreyn> tcurdt: my theory there is that one of the default user accounts may be non-(ubuntu-)default on your system. e.g. root might have a password set, you might have password aging in effect or similar.
[19:58] <tomreyn> or maybe just any other changes were applied to how pam works on your system, but all of those are really just theories. it is unusual that you would be the first to see this error message since 2014.
[20:05] <tcurdt> tomreyn ah ... good pointers ... especially the root password might be a difference ... it doesn't seem like I am the only one since 2014 though ... but the suggestions I found didn't seem to be apply/work - except for "disabling" /bin/chfn (=as in linking to true) ... but I am not even quite sure why that helps
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