[12:59] <tantalaumera[m]> Hi, are there any plan to include Cinelerra-GG in future Ubuntu Studio release?
[16:15] <billytrip[m]> I recently installed US 20.04 (21.10 would not install) .  I really do not care for the xcfe desktop as I plan to make this my main machine.  I've done some reading but it is not clear to me that I have the option of installing a less minimalist desktop.  Do I? Which one(s)?---
[16:52] <MoonsofMoons[m]> Ubuntu Studio is not really DE specific. The included software and the low-latency kernel are the meat and potatoes so to speak. If you in stall a different DE (Gnome, Plasma, etc.) it should be fine. Since you already have a bunch of primarily GTK based apps (because Xfce), installing Gnome rather than KDE would be cleaner I guess. 
[16:52] <MoonsofMoons[m]> s/in/install/, s/stall//
[16:58] <MoonsofMoons[m]> Might be simpler to figure out why you couldn't get 21.10 to install though. 
[19:12] <tarzeau> tantalaumera[m]: if we get to package it for debian?
[19:17] <tarzeau> tantalaumera[m]: i guess #331072 should be renamed to cinelerra-gg, rename to ITP: check if it builds without non-free stuff, then test it. can you test it?
[19:17] <tarzeau> i've played/packaged with olive-editor, flowblad, and shotcut... 
[19:29] <billytrip[m]> > Might be simpler to figure out why you couldn't get 21.10 to install though.  - Well upon install it printed on a blank screen one sentence I forget, followed by "Failed to install Disk Manager" then "Failed to install Modem Manager" and then "Failed to install ???? (I forget this one) and then it just quit.  I googled the error messages and got no where.  I basically had no thread to pull at that point so I punted to 20.04.  That
[19:29] <billytrip[m]> was before I found out that the subsequently upgraded the desktop.
[19:31] <billytrip[m]> Sorry for the botched message - I'm still learning this thing :)
[19:56] <MoonsofMoons[m]> Understood. Those are very strange messages to see during a Linux installation. I would guess something went wrong burning the iso. What tool did you use to create the bootable install media? 
 "Understood. Those are very..." <- brasero.  I used to same method to create the second (20,04) disk.  I guess burning another one wouldn't be too much trouble, worth a try probably less hassle than installing a new DE :)
[20:27] <billytrip[m]> s/to/the/
[20:28] <billytrip[m]> s/brasero.  I used to same method to create the second (20,04) disk.  I guess burning another one wouldn't be too much trouble, worth a try probably less hassle than installing a new DE :)/brasero.  I used the same method to create the second (20,04) disk.  I guess burning another one wouldn't be too much trouble, worth a try probably less hassle than installing a new DE :) Can I assume that 21.10 is reasonably stable, enough to be
[20:28] <billytrip[m]> a "daily driver"?/
[20:29] <MoonsofMoons[m]> I use 21.10 without issues and have for several months
[20:30] <MoonsofMoons[m]> Are you burning a DVD or USB? For USB I suggest trying Etcher 
[20:31] <MoonsofMoons[m]> https://www.balena.io/etcher/
[20:33] <billytrip[m]> MoonsofMoons[m]: I burned a DVD.  I didn't have a USB large enough handy.  I'm going to try again.  I haven't done much to this install so writing over it would not be a problem.  And even though DVD writes are "verified" I am aware that it is the modern version of a tape drive, i.e. not particularly reliable.  And that would explain why I got nowhere looking answers on the web.