[00:22] <Aarch64debian> !info get_cpu
[00:22] <Aarch64debian> !info genmon
[01:02] <freetester> hi
[01:02] <freetester> someone here?
[01:04] <freetester> nobody?
[01:05] <iamtheworstdev> union rules - mandatory fifteen minute break on the hour, every hour
[01:05] <freetester> i have some trouble with https://github.com/debauchee/barrier/
[01:05] <iamtheworstdev> have you tried #barrier ?
[01:05] <leftyfb> iamtheworstdev: please don't say things like that
[01:06] <iamtheworstdev> which thing
[01:06] <leftyfb> freetester: that said, you'll have to see support from the barrier project
[01:06] <iamtheworstdev> per their readme, the support is in #barrier
[01:08] <freetester> yes I logged in, but no one answers. That is why I came here to ask
[01:08] <iamtheworstdev> well, it's IRC.. just stay in the channel and someone will likely respond when they see it
[01:08] <leftyfb> freetester: you'll have to wait. We cannot support 3rd party applications here. You could also try #linux
[01:08] <freetester> i am trying to do this on ubuntu, and you are always very supportive.
[01:09] <iamtheworstdev> they may be in a timezone where they are asleep right now
[01:11] <freetester> Okay, I understand. Can I just ask you if you have had any experience with barriers? I have problems with the authentication of certificates but I see that many have it maybe you had a quick tip
[01:11] <freetester> thanks anyway for any answer
[01:21] <spammy> Why is ubuntu not considered fashionable? I happen to like ubuntu a lot. *looks at all the "other" people*
[01:23] <leftyfb> spammy: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:23] <WickedDekciw> Hey there. Apologies if it sounds like repeated but it isn't exactly as I've since tried alternative solutions and to no avail. I'm trying to do what should have been a simple task of creating a bootable FreeDOS drive. I've tried UNetbootin, manually copying a raw vhd from the FreeDOS site, manually creating a custom FAT16 partition and adding syslinux data onto it, and Balena Etcher was my last solution. Neither one of them could successfully
[01:23] <WickedDekciw> boot. Does anybody have an actually working alternative/
[01:23] <WickedDekciw> ?
[01:24] <leftyfb> WickedDekciw: your issue really has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[01:25] <WickedDekciw> leftyfb, Well, I suppose it is a question about _tools_ present within the Ubuntu and finding such ones, so it is related
[01:27] <cbreak> WickedDekciw: ubuntu has a startup disk creation tool, which you could try to run
[01:28] <spammy> oh, this is the official support channel, my bad, in that case, I'm having an issue with every time my Ubuntu boots up, it defaults to the wrong microphone. Is there a way to default it to the second microphone? I'm using Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS with Gnome Desktop on X11.
[01:28] <cbreak> usb-creator-kde or usb-creator-gtk
[01:28] <cbreak> there are many other tools, like etcher, that you could also try
[01:29] <leftyfb> cbreak: I'm pretty sure their issue is with creating a "bootable FreeDOS drive". Technology that hasn't seen the light of day in about 20 years
[01:29] <cbreak> spammy: I think I "solved" that by disabling my other "microphone"
[01:30] <cbreak> leftyfb: ah... I read that as "FreeBSD".
[01:30] <spammy> cbreak: so no real "default" per-se, but just disable the one that is taking precedence. I can do that.
[01:30] <cbreak> maybe qemu can do something about freedos... I did get MacOS 9 to run with it
[01:30] <cbreak> spammy: well, there probably is a way to do it, I just couldn't find it
[01:31] <cbreak> I never had that problem since switching to kde from gnome
[01:31] <spammy> Since I don't use the first microphone that is okay, I'll explore that, thanks!
[01:31] <cbreak> (but I don't remember trying to use the microphone since then either... so who knows...)
[01:32] <spammy> (can't unplug it because is is integrated with the webcam)
[01:33] <cbreak> for me, one of the audio outputs is part of my microphone (for live monitoring), and one of the audio inputs is part of my usb DAC, which really isn't a microphone, just misidentified
[01:33] <cbreak> but somewhere in the audio device settings, I was able to fix that by changing the audio profile for each device
[02:11] <Interpol-fresco> hi all
[02:11] <Interpol-fresco> any kuru here ?
[02:14] <Interpol-fresco> how about if i am skraito ?
[02:14] <oerheks> yes
[02:16] <Aarch64debian> lol
[02:27] <mjdxp> hello
[02:49] <freetester> hey guys how to use xorg in 21.10?
[02:49] <freetester> is possible? if yes how i can do it?
[02:51] <oerheks> logout, select the menu right top, change wayland to xorg and login
[04:01] <Guest7275> Hello, does anyone know how to properly download .deb ?
[04:07] <Guest7275> nevermind, i'll post it on the forums.
[04:07] <Bashing-om> guntbert: :)
[05:02] <tebruno99> leftyfb, i guess asking for help using things like dd to make boot disks is a banned topic? Did we diverge from the human condition that We can no longer help one another unless the topic is strictly an issue with Ubuntu's packaging issues?
[05:03] <tebruno99> god forbid someone ask with a broken leg ask for help on a sidewalk,  sidewalks are for walking.
[06:33] <dw1> any way to enable backticks in crontab for 20.04 ?
[06:39] <dw1> i want to avoid gmail conversation view in the cron output email
[06:39] <dw1> using `date` or $(date) or so
[06:40] <dw1> maybe they do work but only send to the command and not the email :/
[06:42] <dw1> yep
[06:42] <dw1> guess i'm SOL
[06:56] <talismanick> Running Ubuntu 20.04 in an LXD container. Ran "dpkg --add-architecture i386" to add 32bit packages, and used that to install some, but "apt install mesa-utils:i386" says it's not found
[06:59] <talismanick> Oh, and lib32 is empty, although "sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386" ran successfully
[07:15] <talismanick> nvm, figured it out
[07:53] <amosbird> Hello! How can I start a second Xsession to run ubuntu desktop 20 in docker ?
[08:29] <zamba> why isn't CVE-2021-44224 addressed by ubuntu yet?
[08:29] <zamba> rather: CVE-2021-44790
[08:30] <zamba> ah, mod_lua
[08:47] <weedmic> why does this command return "invalid argument"?  sudo ip addr add brd 192.168.10.255 dev eth0
[08:59] <weedmic> nvm - i combined it with the set ip command and it worked there
[09:15] <weedmic> when starting the computer, and i see the list of actions with [  ok  ], is there a way to pause that?
[09:38] <town2017> hi all
[10:33] <Nalarian> hi
[11:09] <troozers> Just noticed the GDM3 is only listing bash users, is there any way to allow other shell users to be shown?
[11:19] <ice9> i created a .desktop file under .config/autostart/ however it doesn't get executed after login...
[11:20] <ice9> it's gdm btw
[11:44] <webchat53> Hi all
[11:48] <wrsuser> hey so I just installed ubuntu on a secure boot enabled machine... and on the first boot up (after install) it gave me a blue MOK management screen
[11:48] <wrsuser> by the time I'd looked up what I'm meant to be pressing here (which I think I now know) it'd given up asking me what to do and just rebooted again, this time straight into ubuntu
[11:49] <wrsuser> presumably skipping this step means the kernel can't be customised (e.g. by things using DKMS)... so how on earth am I meant to get back to it?
[12:00] <webchat53> I have a question is there someone o could help me?
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> !ask | webchat53
[12:05] <webchat53> k thank all my linux computers have a problem, when i put music on and after it i open a web page the sound starts to fail with noises.. is that normal or is it something i can fix?
[12:26] <cbreak> doesn't sound normal at all
[12:27] <webchat53> is there something i could do to stop it?
[12:28] <cbreak> do you have the problem with different audio players? Like VLC, the browser itself?
[12:29] <webchat53> with the players and web browser
[12:29] <cbreak> do you have the problem without the web browser?
[12:30] <cbreak> or with a different one?
[12:30] <webchat53> yes with rhythmbox
[12:30] <cbreak> so you get noise always?
[12:30] <cbreak> with different computers / different hardware?
[12:30] <webchat53> when i open some web pages
[12:31] <cbreak> do you also get that noise when using firefox instead of chrome?
[12:31] <webchat53> yes different hardware
[12:31] <cbreak> or chrome instead of firefox?
[12:31] <webchat53> yes i use firefox
[12:31] <webchat53> but it happens on chroem chromiun to
[12:32] <webchat53> chrome
[12:32] <cbreak> do you connect to the internet via a radio or cable?
[12:32] <webchat53> cable
[12:32] <cbreak> do you get the problems too if you just download stuff via curl / wget instead of a web browser?
[12:33] <cbreak> I wonder if you have some kind of bad cabling, that creates crosstalk with your audio equipment
[12:33] <cbreak> or maybe something via the power grid
[12:33] <webchat53> its allways happens after a while i install the linux on different hardware and different distros
[12:34] <cbreak> since this isn't something normal, there must be something in your environment that they all have in common.
[12:34] <cbreak> (does this also happen with other operating systems?)
[12:34] <webchat53> yes with other linux on windows or bsd not
[12:37] <cbreak> very weird
[12:37] <webchat53> yes in did
[12:39] <cbreak> did you try using different audio subsystems?
[12:39] <webchat53> no i use the default
[12:40] <cbreak> I don't know how to do this, but I read that pipewire was the next big thing
[12:40] <cbreak> and there's also alsa, in addition to pulse, which is probably what you're using
[12:40] <webchat53> on pulse happens and on ubuntu default too
[12:42] <webchat53> and alsa i think it is used on fedora and also the same problem
[12:43] <i-garrison> webchat53: does you sound go via same device (e.g. hdmi audio or something)
[12:45] <webchat53> it happens on hdmi graphics card or motherboard audio
[12:50] <i-garrison> webchat53: there are lots of possible causes, can reproduce these issues with any latest livecd?
[12:51] <webchat53> with live install working from usb it never happen
[12:54] <i-garrison> webchat53: is livecd version more recent than the one you install?
[12:55] <webchat53> no the installed version is up to date and it happens on more distributions of linux and with diffrent hardware, a while after install it starts to happen
[12:58] <webchat53> on windows 10 or 11 or in BSD it do not happen..
[12:58] <i-garrison> webchat53: right, your query looks too generic; lots of similar sound issues are fixed with kernel drivers, alsa and audio server updates
[13:00] <i-garrison> you should be extremely unlucky these days to get noises across the range of hardware; hdmi has known issues but most are tied to either kernel driver problem or hdmi receiving side problem
[13:00] <i-garrison> webchat53: so maybe pick one combination and file an issue on launchpad to track it down?
[13:02] <webchat53> yes, i'm using ubuntu updated, what is launchpad?
[13:05] <i-garrison> webchat53: it's where bugs about ubuntu are collected
[13:05] <webchat53> thanks for the help cbreak i have to go now
[13:06] <webchat53> ok i will use it, i didn't now about it thanks
[13:07] <webchat53> bye all
[13:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:00] <pizza> o/
[14:58] <transhumanist> anyone know how to install Ubuntu on a laptop that was setup with windows, with the security keys enabled, seems it will never boot from the USB drive into the installer for linux. I even wipped out the manufactures security keys, and that ruins the windows install, I then restore these keys and I am stuck with windows asking me for the forgotten password and it wont send me the recovery email for another 24 hours, any way aroun
[14:58] <transhumanist> ss
[14:59] <transhumanist> I want to just wipe it and install Ubuntu
[14:59] <jkc> transhumanist: Just turn off secure boot. Wiping the keys don't do anything.
[15:00] <transhumanist> so if you turn off secure boot it wil boot from the USB?
[15:00] <jkc> transhumanist: Matter of fact, I'd go back in and re-enroll the default keys, or windows will continue to be broken.
[15:00] <transhumanist> so its not like there is something wrong with the installer?
[15:00] <transhumanist> yes ultimately I would like to do a dual boot setup
[15:01] <transhumanist> I will try what you say , but I am pretty sure I did try it already, but I was very tired when I did it so...
[15:05] <jkc> transhumanist: Deleting the enrolled keys does NOT turn off secure boot. Windows can get testy about disk encryption when secure boot is disabled, but I think it should be fine.
[15:05] <jkc> I would also make sure that there's not another setting present in your UEFI config that's prohibiting USB boot.
[15:10] <transhumanist> thanks , I got it, seems that without TPM engadged windows is borked. If I disable it it still doesnt work, however if I enable both legacy and UEFI boot I can get to the USB disk
[15:11] <transhumanist> before installing ubuntu should I reenable TMP so its not stuck between two operating modes?
[15:11] <ravage> Ubuntu doesn't care about TPM being enabled
[15:12] <ravage> And without secure boot you should be able to boot Ubuntu in UEFI Mode too
[15:12] <ravage> As an alternative you can disable UEFI completely and install Ubuntu and then windows in legacy mode
[15:14] <transhumanist> I didnt realize that , I thought TPM when set meant that it was used by all operating systems. I thought microsoft had finaly made it accessible by Linux
[15:33] <merpnderp> I'm writing a script to automate our security settings on a new install. In Bash how do I tell if something has already been installed?
[15:36] <john__> merpnderp: dplg -l | grep my_package
[15:36] <john__> dpkg*
[15:36] <shadow255> merpnderp: apt list --installed <package> should be non-empty if <package> is installed
[15:36] <merpnderp> john__: doh, that should have been obvious. Thank you.
[15:36] <merpnderp> I'm using grep all over the place.
[15:36] <merpnderp> thanks shadow255
[15:37] <WickedDekciw> Heyo. I'm getting a problem with exfatfsck -a which is supposed to fix an error but it says "errors found: 2, fixed 0", how can that be?
[15:41] <jkc> transhumanist: the TPM has nothing to do with booting from USB, nor does it have anything to do with secure boot. As for disabling UEFI, there's no such thing. You can put it into BIOS compatibility mode, but I wouldn't do that.
[15:41] <jkc> transhumanist: Leave the TPM enabled, reenroll the default secure boot keys, then turn off secure boot,
[15:42] <shadow255> jkc: perhaps it would be better to say that the TPM is only involved with secure boot as the verification means
[15:42] <jkc> shadow255: If that were accurate, then perhaps so.
[15:42] <merpnderp> How would I keep this from outputting to stdout in my bash script? `if ! dpkg -l | grep adcli; then`
[15:44] <jkc> shadow255: for Windows - which he/she to retain - the TPM generates and stores keys for disk encryption. Disabling that is a bad idea.
[15:48] <shadow255> jkc: thanks for clarifying - my understanding of secure boot, TPM and such can always be improved :)
[15:56] <Phase> merpnderp: look into redirecting stdout and/or stderr to /dev/null for more info, but the solution is: dpkg -l | grep adcli > /dev/null 2>&1
[16:02] <leftyfb> merpnderp: you should really look into something like ansible
[16:03] <merpnderp> leftyfb: boss doesn't want to set up ansible.
[16:03] <merpnderp> Easier just to write a bash script and then just run it on new servers.
[16:03] <leftyfb> merpnderp: false, but ok
[16:03] <merpnderp> I'd still have to do all this stuff on ansible.
[16:05] <merpnderp> Thanks Phase
[16:05] <merpnderp> ANd thanks leftyfb
[16:05] <Phase> yw
[16:48] <firefliesgaming> hello
[16:48] <firefliesgaming> hi
[16:48] <firefliesgaming> bye
[16:48] <firefliesgaming> bye
[16:49] <tomreyn> firefliesgaming: hi
[16:49] <firefliesgaming> hi
[16:49] <tomreyn> this is an ubuntu support channel, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[17:03] <transhumanist> I like ubuntu but must say the kubuntu installer is rubbish, or its altered by uuinetboot or whatever it is because it dont work well for laptops, doesnt install grub correctly and doesnt install the wireless by default
[17:03] <transhumanist> I tend not to have as much problems with Ubuntu, but I guess I will know soon enough
[17:04] <transhumanist> I am trying rufus this time
[17:04] <transhumanist> with reqular ubuntu
[17:09] <signofzeta> hi everyone, I powered on my old laptop after (finally) getting repair parts.  it's still on Ubuntu 20.10.  when I try to `apt update` so I can `do-release-upgrade`, it tells me that some repositories no longer have Release files.  how can I get this up to the latest Ubuntu version?
[17:12] <signofzeta> I also can't `apt upgrade` because some zfsutils-linux package .deb files aren't found on archive.ubuntu.com (and I have a ZFS root).  not sure if I can just remove those without blowing up the system.
[17:13] <tomreyn> transhumanist: this is a support channel - there are other channels if you don't have support questions.
[17:16] <tomreyn> signofzeta: since 20.01 has reached end of life, you will need to either reinstall (probably the best option if you don't have a complex backup / restore mechanism) or do a EOL upgrade
[17:17] <tomreyn> i meant to write "20.10", not "20.01" there.
[17:17] <tomreyn> EOL upgrading means you'd need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change urls so that they will point to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[17:18] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades has more info
[17:19] <signofzeta> didn't know that existed, thanks!  yeah, it took forever to get repair parts for my laptop... supply chains, you know.
[17:19] <tomreyn> right. though, if you can just do a fresh install, that's still the best option
[17:23] <signofzeta> there's nothing major on here, but I'd rather not rebuild this from scratch.  thank you, tomreyn!  it's working so far.
[17:58] <signofzeta> followed the directions, the system blew up.  oh well, I have an excuse to order a bigger SSD.  [bartsimpson_atleastyoutried.jpg]
[17:59] <signofzeta> thanks anyway, tomreyn.  it was worth a shot.
[18:00] <tomreyn> signofzeta: if you want to try and fix it, more details would be needed. otherwise, yes, fresh install.
[18:02] <signofzeta> nah, I'll just do a fresh install on a new SSD.
[18:04] <Guest314> hi
[18:04] <Guest314> anyone online ?
[18:08] <NotPerfect> New To Hexchat
[18:31] <cambrian_invader> this is a bit of a long shot, but does anyone know why makeparallel... doesn't actually use the jobserver?
[18:32] <cambrian_invader> see e.g. https://paste.debian.net/1225063/ where instead of a number <6, it uses 14 instead, and uses /sys/devices/system/cpu/online instead of getting jobs from the jobserver
[18:33] <cambrian_invader> I had a look at the source (from both the source package and https://salsa.debian.org/android-tools-team/android-platform-build/-/blob/master/tools/makeparallel/makeparallel.cpp) and I can't find any reference to that sysfs file
[18:33] <cambrian_invader> plus, it seems to have e.g. error messages which I don't get
[18:39] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: is this an ubuntu support topic? if so, which ubuntu version does it refer to, and thus which version of which package in ubuntu?
[18:39] <cambrian_invader> I'm using focal, and the package is "makeparallel"
[18:44] <cambrian_invader> ok, looks like an upstream bug
[18:45] <cambrian_invader> they are using "jobserver-fds
[18:45] <cambrian_invader> instead of "jobserver-auth"
[18:46] <tomreyn> ubuntu's makeparallel looks like a direct import from debian, and is in universe.
[18:50] <cambrian_invader> oh, looks like it was deleted upstream
[18:50] <cambrian_invader> in 2019 no less
[19:47] <yates> i installed clang-10 but that did not define the default "clang++", only clang++-10
[19:48] <yates> isn't there a selection editor or somesuch for configuring such things?
[19:48] <yates> similar to choosing python2 or python3?
[20:15] <tomreyn> yates: maybe update-alternatives, or dpkg-reconfigure, or you just set the CC environment variable
[20:24]  * enyc meows
[20:24]  * enyc wonders about roadmaps for ubuntu+1 ... hrrm should ask in that channel
[20:40] <zenof> how can I install packages into a freshly installed ubuntu after the graphical installer has finished it's work, but before the first reboot. so, basically when I chroot into the new system how do I make the iso-image's repository available?
[20:41] <tomreyn> using apt-cdrom, i guess
[20:41] <tomreyn> it'll be easier to do this before the installer finishes, by just spawning a shell. or by downloading packages from th einternet in your chroot
[20:51] <zenof> hmm, to use apt-cdrom I would have to mount the cdrom, but I can't since it's already mounted to provide / and whatsoever?
[20:53] <tomreyn> maybe it doesn't actually use apt-cdrom for the sources anymore. you could probably tell easily by inspecting the setup you get when running a live / installer system again
[21:00] <zenof> okay, but even if apt-cdrom wasn't the tool to go with, still there should be those basic packages be available somewhere in the live-system. when I in the live system run a simple apt install openssh-server this works without any complains and installs the ssh server into the live system
[21:03] <tomreyn> zenof: i just tested this for you on distrotest.net, using the impish (21.10) installer: https://i.imgur.com/ehj9Kyb.png
[21:04] <tomreyn> the longer string the cdrom: source points to will be the iso label, i think
[21:08] <zenof> oh, it works! for some reason I could not access the "cdrom" in my chroot env, it didn't show up in my mtab. now, it does.
[21:09] <zenof> I guess I somehow unmounted everything befor cp'ing /proc/mounts to it.
[21:23] <acu> Can anyone recommend a scanner to test OpenSSL SSL/TLS MITM vulnerability
[21:30] <ViperXL75> say... I have this Ubuntu 20.04 LTS running. I've enabled for it to login automatically. Yet whenever it starts up or reboots, it won't fully login into the GUI. After it starts up, the screen will stay blank (not sure if it's my TV that can't handle the resolution or so). I have to press CTRL+F1 and then CTRL+F2. The moment i press CTRL+F2 it will immediately continue logging in without needing password. How do i see whats wron
[21:31] <ViperXL75> If i'm correct it's using GDM3 to open up the GUI. (just whatever is standard for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS)
[21:33] <tomreyn> acu: testssl for testing a server configuration. you'll be able to tell whether it's using insecure crypto or configurations which enable person in the middle attacks. but PITM attacks are really attacks against the client more than the server, clients need to use proper crypto and validate certificate chains properly.
[21:33] <tomreyn> actually testssl.sh is the package name. there are others.
[21:38] <acu> tomreyn, thanks a bunch - I am installing this right now --
[21:56] <tomreyn> ViperXL75: the     journalctl    command can be used to access and filter logs.     journalctl -b    shows logs since latest boot. type / to search (it uses 'less' as a pager by default). dsm3 is the graphical login manager which wraps around the gnome-shell desktop, that's right. and it will be loaded even with autologin.
[21:57] <tomreyn> acu: https://badssl.com/dashboard/ and https://clienttest.ssllabs.com:8443/ssltest/viewMyClient.html are client tests, but that's more of a #security topic, i guess
[22:26] <ViperXL75> tomreyn: ah thanks
[22:31] <Nixola> hi, a friend of mine's trying to update UBuntu from 20.04 to 21.04 but the update process has been stuck on "Preconfiguring packages ..." for ~1h now; any suggestions?
[22:34] <jhutchins> Nixola: What steps have they taken so far?
[22:38] <Nixola> jhutchins: they haven't done much except for running the graphical updater
[22:39] <Nixola> nevermind
[22:39] <Nixola> friend is dumbù
[22:40] <Nixola> dumb*
[22:40] <Nixola> last time I ask questions on behalf of other people
[22:41] <Nixola> he covered a dialog asking for the new hostname
[22:41] <tomreyn> it usually doesn't help anyone anyways, if they are happy to take others advice, then just help them come here.
[22:42] <tomreyn> support by proxy rarely works, even though it's kind of you to offer that.
[23:03] <jhutchins> Nixola: Hey, you at least found (and presumably) fixed the problem.
[23:08] <Nixola> true, but still