 +1 on no email client
 document how to install though in manual
 and make a HUGE BOLD TEXT section on release notes about not shipping an email client out of the box
 also apologies for any typos i make getting used to the new phone keyboard layout
[00:38] <guiverc> we may need a few QA release-upgrades to ensure no upgrade issues occur for those who currently use it (maybe an apt-mark is required to have it not be removed on release-upgrade if depends rule with lubuntu-desktop is gone, I don't know... that maybe required if any change done)
 what do we ship now, trojita?
 yes trojita is what we ship now
 and have since lxqt
[00:42] <guiverc> yeah  (my wording could have been better sorry; but that's usual for me)
 yeah but we should also put a notice out that its basically insecure because upstream hasnt done any patching
 and we have a glaring hole there per CVEs
 we shouldnt remove trojita on upgrade if its there but we shouldnt default ship it either.  we have time for some tests.
[00:43] <guiverc> time yep.
 not a ton of time
 but some time
 If we drop it from the seed it shouldn't remove it from existing installs.
[03:35] <tomreyn> i'm not sure you all noticed (this was apparently posted after Rik posted about Trojita here): 'Andi'/'Kartz' has since taken over responsibility to handle the bug as per https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432353 - but this should probably not take influence on your decision making (first response on bug report after ~ a year).
[04:13] <guiverc> thanks tomreyn; it was mentioned (Walter/wxl) in another room where the issue was also discussed
[04:14] <tomreyn> very well, guiverc. :)