[00:43] <coffee-bean> how do i turn
[00:43] <coffee-bean> speaker
[00:43] <coffee-bean> is mute
[00:47] <Bashing-om> !sound | coffee-bean
[00:54] <mw__> on 21.10 there is no official alacritty package, only a snap that I installed, now it bails out with the error: GLSL 3.30 is not supported. Supported versions are: 1.10, 1.20, and 1.00 ES
[00:54] <mw__> anyone encountered this?
[00:55] <mw__> how could i get it work?
[00:57] <mw__> moving to another terminal emulator would mean porting a sizable config to a totally unknown interface, i'd rather avoid it
[00:57] <tomreyn> mw__: i assume this is a single board computer?
[00:58] <mw__> nope, old laptop
[00:58] <tomreyn> GLSL is the OpenGL shading language, which is not supported in very old opengl (3d graphics acceleration) hardware and drivers
[00:59] <tomreyn> nor in some SBCs / ARM / embedded devices
[00:59] <mw__> so chances are it will not run at all
[01:00] <tomreyn> you would also encounter such messages if your system is not configured to use the most suitable graphics drivers
[01:00] <mw__> it's an old acer laptop, core 2, 10 yearish, intel gpu
[01:00] <mw__> but then the error msg suggests it wants an older version
[01:01] <tomreyn> what does this say after installing mesa-utils?  glxinfo -B | grep celerated
[01:04] <mw__> says no
[01:04] <tomreyn> hmm, this suggests that the wrong graphics driver is loaded.
[01:05] <mw__> glxgears looks like it has some sort of acceleration tho
[01:05] <tomreyn> can you share /var/log/gpu-manager.log like so?    cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:06] <mw__> https://termbin.com/kz0r
[01:09] <mw__> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[01:09] <tomreyn> can you do that with -knnv
[01:10] <tomreyn> and show all the lines related to it on a pastebin
[01:10] <mw__> lsmod shows no graphics driver at all, if it even supposed to be there
[01:10] <tomreyn> i915 should be loaded
[01:10] <mw__> ok, it's there
[01:10] <mw__> grepped for "intel", dumb me
[01:12] <mw__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kjstQydMpT/
[01:12] <tomreyn> i don't really know anything about alacritty, but a terminal which requires graphics acceleration to work seems like a bad design to me.
[01:12] <tomreyn> *terminal emulator
[01:14] <tomreyn> so you have two intel graphics chipsets apparently
[01:15] <oneadvent> can i bother someone to pm me please?
[01:15] <tomreyn> oneadvent: usually, no. but you can ask an ubuntu support question here, if yo have one.
[01:16] <oneadvent> tomreyn: sorry, i was testing something. I don't really have a question so much as i want to see if i get pms correctly, lol
[01:16] <tomreyn> mw__: what does    xrandr --listproviders    say?
[01:17] <tomreyn> mw__: oh, possibly nothing, since you're on 21.10, which defaults to xwayland rather than xorg for the graphics server, but try nevertheless
[01:17] <tomreyn> oneadvent: there's #tests and you can always connect twice and then test yourself
[01:17] <mw__> Provider 0: id: 0x56 cap: 0x9, Source Output, Sink Offload crtcs: 4 outputs: 3 associated providers: 0 name:ARUBA @ pci:0000:00:01.0
[01:18] <mw__> if i remember correctly i deliberately chose not to use wayland
[01:19] <tomreyn> echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE     would tell you what you're on
[01:19] <mw__> i have some scripts using xdotool and it probably won't work with them
[01:19] <oneadvent> hmmm....
[01:19] <mw__> aw, you mean from the gui
[01:19] <mw__> i have to get there
[01:19] <tomreyn> right, xdotools would not work with xwayland
[01:20] <tomreyn> *xdotool
[01:21] <cannibal^> I have an interesting one: Somewhere along the way in the past year of updates, my sound device (onboard audio, snd-hda-intel with Realek ALC245) stopped working properly. Entering the alsa system settings (KDE, so w/e widget it actually is) I can click  "front left" it pipes up "...eft" and clicking on "front right" says "right". Now: If I have
[01:21] <cannibal^> sound playing, and don't give it more than a half second of silence, it works as intended. Makes watching YT annoying. Any ideas other than having audacity playing a 45khz sine wave on loop? (It offends the dog, y'see)
[01:22] <mw__> yep, i'm on x11
[01:23] <cannibal^> It's like the output shuts off. I've disables power saving mode and all that, but it's not crackling, and none of the guides out there cover this one.
[01:23] <cannibal^> *shuts off and takes a half second to wake back up.
[01:26] <tomreyn> mw__: so if xorg sees just one provider then that's your proper intel gpu, and the display connected to it. and if acceleration doesn't work then, my bet would be on a bug. but you'd need to share yet more details. if you look for the /usr/lib/gdm3 lines in    journalctl -b    output, that's the grpahics initialization by gdm3, the graphical display manager ubuntu uses
[01:26] <tomreyn> maybe there's an initialization error there
[01:30] <tomreyn> cannibal^: i have a similar issue here (with probably a different chipset, have not checked), but i blame the active speakers, which seem to fall asleep somehow. they recover faster when there is a stronger input signal, i.e. higher volume.
[01:31] <tomreyn> but i think i've always had this issue, and i'm on 18.04 + HWE kernel, so 5.4.0-91-generic
[01:31] <mw__> there's no matches for "gdm" at all, it inits as ## i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device
[01:32] <mw__> but that might just be the console at boot
[01:32] <tomreyn> then what's the graphical login manager you're using?
[01:33] <tomreyn> is this actually a proper ubuntu?
[01:34] <mw__> oh, it's kubuntu, sddm is the answer, sorry
[01:34] <cannibal^> tomreyn SDDM, I believe. And as I search, I'm noticing some noise about NVidia proprietary doing bad things with audio
[01:34] <cannibal^> Hmm, see if this works, BRB
[01:38] <mw__> seemingly i got no specific error messages on startup
[01:42] <tomreyn> mw__: hmm, sorry, can't help without more details. you could also try #kubuntu
[01:43] <cannibal^> Oookay, upgrading to nvidia proprietary 495 instead of 470 changes it to "fro.t..ft" and "... Right".
[01:43] <cannibal^> I've got to wonder if I can't blacklist the nvidia hdmi audio output module. Bet that might do something.
[01:46] <cannibal^> I *will* check back if I figure this out.
[01:46] <mw__> i forgot, i have another old laptop, with a different intel gpu, it has the exact same issue with 21.10
[01:47] <mw__> i have 18.04 on my desktop, here alacritty from genuine ubuntu package works just fine
[01:47] <mw__> i guess the next logical step is to try booting it on those
[01:55] <tomreyn> so, on the newer laptop, alacritty is not the 'genuine ubuntu package'?
[01:56] <tomreyn> oh you said so <mw__> on 21.10 there is no official alacritty package, only a snap that I installed
[01:57] <tomreyn> i'd guess it was dropped for being unsupportable in debian
[01:58] <tomreyn> hmm, actually there is no "alacritty" package in ubuntu at all
[01:58] <tomreyn> (no debian package, that is)
[02:00] <JackFrost> `rmadison -u ubuntu alacritty` seems to indicate it doesn't exist in any supported Ubuntu release.
[02:01] <JackFrost> There's a couple PPAs that have it.
[02:04] <tomreyn> and, if i am interpreting the html source of https://snapcraft.io/alacritty right (i really hope i'm not), 100% of ubuntu 20.04 users are using the alacritty snap.
[02:04] <mw__> so i guess that means i better let it go / revert to 18.04 if i really want to use it
[02:05] <mw__> which btw sounds lucrative, i just hate what they did to kde
[02:05] <tomreyn> https://github.com/tunix/alacritty-snap seems to suggest you should be installing it as a --classic snap
[02:05] <mw__> yes, i had to
[02:05] <tomreyn> which i assume may be needed to get opengl bindings going
[02:05] <tomreyn> oh ok
[02:06] <mw__> brr, i really need to switch to a normal irc client
[02:07] <mw__> ctrl+w and xchat, a nightmare, i keep closing windows, and it's not remappable
[02:09] <cannibal^> Whelp, looks like the dog is going to continue hating my laptop.
[02:14] <tomreyn> mw__: hexchat won't solve this, but other problems of xchat, such as the no-release-for-11-years one.
[02:18] <mw__> just found this, https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/397 , if i get it right they finally removed it
[02:19] <mw__> but i'd rather move on to weechat on a vps, and enjoy sweet platform independence
[02:21] <mw__> and this is one of the reasons why alacritty feels so important, it's offloading a lot of load to the gpu, runs faster, more responsive, and terminal windows can consume a surprising amount of juice
[02:22] <mw__> but the best part is its nice config for mappings, i dunno if i can get it elsewhere
[02:23] <mw__> like, can rxvt turn ctrl+; into backspace?
[02:24] <mw__> in the last year i became quite seriously enthusiastic about these small but still very comforting tweaks
[02:24] <mw__> i don't want to move my arms anymore :)
[02:26] <mw__> btw does anyone know a bare tty alike for xcape? remapping caps to ctrl/esc makes so much difference..
[02:30] <Mibix> hmm my cinnamon is freezing up a ton lately and I can usually recover it by just hitting the alt+f2 keystroke, typing r, and hitting enter but it takes forever
[02:30] <Mibix> not sure how that would update :/
[02:31] <Mibix> I guess I'm up to date? https://imgur.com/a/Rjwviuz
[02:33] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds    would report your ubuntu version
[02:34] <tomreyn> package versions can differ by ubuntu version, so that's relevant information.
[02:35] <Mibix> well im on 20.04
[02:35] <Mibix> but cinnamon is the only thing that gives giving me issues
[02:37] <tomreyn> the package versions for cinnamon, cinnamon-core, cinnamon-session are correct then. but it gets, if at all, community support
[02:38] <tomreyn> you can check package versions on https://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:41] <Mibix> yeah i dunnno i changed up the theme maybe that will help :p
[04:02] <freetester> hi everybody
[04:07] <freetester> adattatore agoogle.com
[04:07] <leftyfb> freetester: what can we help you with?
[04:07] <freetester> sorry 4 italian wrong windows
[04:08] <freetester> hi leftyfb
[04:09] <freetester> i am having some problem on ubuntu installing kde. I don't have the network manager and after this test I decided that I prefer kde to gnome. For example I don't see wifi. Advice on correcting the problem?
[04:09] <freetester> Or being a new installation, should I install kubuntu directly?
[04:10] <freetester> thx
[04:10] <leftyfb> freetester: if you only plan on using kde and you have a bit of a mess, then maybe installing kubuntu from scratch might be best
[04:22] <aandrew> hey everyone. I have a source tree (regal) which builds fine on older versions of Ubuntu, but with 21.10 it can't seem to find dlsym/dlopen_mode. I'm already linking -ldl and google's suggesting -Wl,--no-as-needed,-ldl which seems to have worked for others, but the result is the same here
[04:27] <freetester> leftyfb: its my serious installation of ubuntu, not a lot of confusion, i just try the guide-line from the ubuntu wiki and i had has results some trouble only for the fact that the installation of metapacket kubuntu-full doesnt work
[04:29] <freetester> also I would not want to create confusion by also installing kde packages in addition to those of ubuntu which in the end do the same thing, right?
[04:29] <freetester> i quest cause i would like to learn more
[04:35] <tomreyn> freetester: i think it's wise to install either kubuntu (kde), or ubuntu (gnome), not both in one installation.
[04:35] <tomreyn> you can do multiple installations side by side or in VMs if you would like to test more
[04:38] <freetester> yes maybe is better
[04:39] <freetester> what are the most significant differences between ubuntu and kubuntu, in addition to the graphics, the packages also change, or some of them right? is there an updated list of both software packs to consult?
[04:40] <tomreyn> !flavours
[04:41] <tomreyn> that's a high level overview
[04:43] <tomreyn> freetester: for the list of packages installed by default on each flavour: https://askubuntu.com/questions/588145/check-if-all-default-packages-are-installed-from-the-ubuntu-manifest
[04:44] <tomreyn> (the given example will no longer work since it refers to version 16.10, which is no longer available on releases.ubuntu.com - but newer versions like 20.04 are)
[04:55] <jehlow> any suggestions on how to connect to openvpn connection automatically during boot/login (Single user PC running Ubuntu 20.10 using NetworkManager with vpn credentials present;I know how to connect via Terminal if there is another way like making a script?)
[04:56] <jehlow> Also came accross a guide but its old;A question how are gconf files edited-can i just use any text editor as #User
[04:56] <tomreyn> !20.10
[04:57] <jehlow> the guide mentions to edit some pages with gconf-editor, but that is obviously very old and im new to this
[04:58] <jehlow> edditing config files if thats what they are
[04:58] <tomreyn> if you really have 20.10, you can either install a newer release or try an unsupported upgrade to a version we can support here
[05:00] <jehlow> sorry 21.10
[05:00] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds    in a terminal can confirm which ubuntu version you have
[05:00] <jehlow> Ubuntu 21.10
[05:01] <jehlow> =( my bad sorry
[05:01] <tomreyn> 21.10 is supported here. you can just tick the box in the network manager configuration GUI for this openvpn connection to have it started automatically when the network interface it binds to is brought up.
[05:05] <tomreyn> jehlow: ah, sorry, it's actually the other wa around. once you have the openvpn connection configured, you can then configure the underlying connection (ethernet/wireless...) to automatically start this vpn connection as soon as this underlying interface it brought up.
[05:06] <tomreyn> https://kifarunix.com/connect-to-vpn-automatically-on-ubuntu-20-04-18-04/ has a walkthrough
[05:07] <jehlow> ty i was about to write i cant see that box in any of settings or advanced tabs for the vpn connection in question
[05:09] <tomreyn> jehlow: but can you reproduce what's described in this how-to?
[05:11] <jehlow> i bloody hope so
[05:11] <freetester> tomreyn thanks
[05:12] <jehlow> sorry champ im reading with a great deal of interest Thank You very much =)
[05:13] <tomreyn> :) good luck.
[05:18] <jehlow> thanks for that link man
[05:19] <MrArcher> alguien español?
[05:19] <MrArcher> spanish
[05:20] <tomreyn> !es | MrArcher
[05:21] <MrArcher> no hay nadie en #ubuntu-es
[05:21] <MrArcher> xD
[05:22] <tomreyn> and we only speak english here
[05:22] <MrArcher> im newbie with Ubuntu 21.10
[05:23] <jehlow> tomreyn, still working on it but got the easy method working thanks to you =)
[05:23] <tomreyn> jehlow: great!
[05:24] <tomreyn> MrArcher: Do you have an English language support question on Ubuntu 21.10?
[05:28] <MrArcher> yes!
[05:29] <MrArcher> i need install shutter but ...
[05:29] <MrArcher> i cant
[05:29] <MrArcher> T_T
[05:30] <tomreyn> MrArcher: try it in a terminal window. is "shutter" the package you are trying to install? then you would run   sudo apt update && sudo apt install shutter
[05:30] <MrArcher> yeah but look..
[05:30] <tomreyn> shutter is not available in ubuntu releases after 18.04 LTS
[05:31] <MrArcher> T_T
[05:31] <tomreyn> not via apt from default repositories, at least
[05:31] <MrArcher> so?
[05:31] <tomreyn> usually, software is removed from ubuntu when it is unmaintained, which means it cannot be safely used.
[05:32] <MrArcher> flameshot is ugly
[05:32] <tomreyn> there are other softwares for creating screenshots
[05:32] <MrArcher> lol
[05:32] <tomreyn> gneom actually includes this functionality out of the box
[05:32] <tomreyn> *gnome
[05:33] <MrArcher> i will search alternatives
[05:33] <tomreyn> there is also a PPA https://launchpad.net/~shutter/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[05:34] <tomreyn> !ppa
[05:34] <MrArcher> the includes tools dont like
[05:34] <PeGaSuS> you also have Kazam, which is very lightweight and does screenshot/recording
[05:34] <MrArcher> thnx!
[05:35] <MrArcher> ok i try kazam
[05:35] <tomreyn> doesn't kazam do video only?
[05:35] <MrArcher> i need for screenshot
[05:35] <tomreyn> ah no it does both, sorry
[05:35] <MrArcher> is my first time on ubuntus!
[05:36] <MrArcher> sorry my english is bad haha
[05:37] <PeGaSuS> I personally use Kazam in my Xubuntu install and I like it very much. it's kinda customizable, you can select a portion of the screen to screenshot, etc
[05:42] <MrArcher> ok i try with kazam
[05:42] <MrArcher> thnx!
[05:42] <PeGaSuS> you're welcome!
[05:43] <MrArcher> see u later!
[06:56] <jehlow> tomreyn, any thoughts hit a roadblock man =( so close but so far =) https://pastebin.com/SYmeZiDk
[07:02] <jehlow> im trying to start a openvpn as a service on ubuntu 21.10 if anyone can see where i went wrong an suggest an edit to what i did(see link please) id really appreciate it
[07:28] <tigefa> jehlow https://www.dropbox.com/s/dl/mwirxj3p2cfojgr/openvpn-ubuntu-install.sh
[07:31] <tigefa> jehlow: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwirxj3p2cfojgr/openvpn-ubuntu-install.sh?dl=0
[07:34] <jehlow> thank you but i ended up putting the .crt in the ~/etc/openvpn folder and all is working great
[07:35] <tigefa> jehlow: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-20-04-lts-set-up-openvpn-server-in-5-minutes/
[07:37] <jehlow> amen stop paying for a free service(if i can be bothered to be well versed in all aspects of server security-I am not)
[08:06] <nuxer> Hi there! I've been looking into building a server for NAS and dedicated test server use. Since everything's more or less a hassle for availability, I stumbled upon Dell's tower servers that would be available from my supplier (Dell T40 to Dell T140). Any ideas on whether or not the Linux support for i.e. the RAID controllers etc is good and so
[08:06] <nuxer> forth? Should I be okay with a Ubuntu Server or aim for a different distro?
[08:08] <nuxer> The Dell server types are Dell EMC PowerEdge T-series and I do have previous experience on setting up my own Linux boxes on various architectures as well as NAS/SAN environments, mostly for soho use
[08:11] <nuxer> I know this is half a distro-related question and half a hardware-related question, but I was wondering if there are some O.G. serveradmins around who would have some insight on whether or not I'm investing wisely. I guess I could call the business retailer for the Dell's and inquire them about this, but I'd be interested in hearing your takes if
[08:11] <nuxer> you have any experience with the particular series of Dell's servers, especially when it comes to setting up a NAS with RAID over its controller (if it's supported, and how well ... etc.)
[08:12] <nuxer> (and also would be inbterested in hearing of any possible setup-related caveats I should be aware of)
[08:13] <nuxer> It says in its specs that its RAID controller is "Intel VROC 6.x (software based)"
[08:15] <nuxer> oh, dang... should've looked it up myself before asking dumb questions. Found this thread from ClearLinux's forums from last year: https://community.clearlinux.org/t/intel-vroc-support-in-kernel/2759 -- apparently Intel VROC isn't supported at all, idk if that's changed
[08:17] <nuxer> wait .. RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) seems to support VROC at least up until 3.x ...
[08:17] <nuxer> idk if I'd be better off running software based RAID tho?
[09:11] <manha> a
[09:57] <jehlow> just ran "sudo systemctrl status openvpn" and am not sure if my openvpn service is running and the connection is actively working, https://pastebin.com/3y7t68sY
[10:03] <Pest> Do I have voice?
[10:05] <jehlow> yup
[10:48] <^]_> hi guys
[10:48] <^]_> is there some issue with repos and https ?
[10:48] <^]_> (cz.* mainly)
[10:52] <ravage> the official repos dont use https so there is no problem with it
[11:33] <weedmic> i do "dhclient -v eth0" hoping eth0 will be assigned, but get "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 (xid=0x3ef59d45)" - means fails right?
[11:39] <ducasse> weedmic: that looks like a dhcp broadcast
[11:42] <ducasse> there should be a response after that in the logs if it gets a response
[11:42] <ducasse> (that was badly phrased)
[11:51] <KBar> ducasse: :D
[11:53] <ducasse> i think the meaning shone through though :)
[12:00] <Nixola> hi again; I can't get pipewire-pulse to work on Ubuntu 21.10, `pactl info` hangs and times out
[12:02] <Nixola> `speaker-test -Dpipewire -t wave -c 2` also hangs
[12:09] <ducasse> Nixola: just a thought, try #ubuntustudio, they're generally good at audio stuff
[12:19] <KBar> Nixola: you can also use `pacmd info`.
[12:27] <Guest6> Hello i have a technical question
[12:27] <Guest6> On ubuntu
[12:27] <luna> go ahead and ask?
[12:28] <Guest6> Hey ok calm down, just a sec
[12:28] <Guest6> I d like to know if ubuntu is a suitable operating system to wank on shemale porn
[12:28] <luna> um
[12:29] <cbreak> try it out.
[12:29] <Guest6> Luna means moon in italian
[12:29] <cbreak> it should work.
[12:29] <luna> i know
[12:29] <luna> lol
[12:29] <Guest6> It s also the name of several shemale pornstars
[12:29] <luna> :D
[12:29] <cbreak> try using a web browser.
[12:30] <cbreak> apt install torbrowser-launcher
[12:30] <luna> or just go to pornhub with firefox
[12:30] <luna> :p
[12:30] <Guest6> Thanks cbreak
[12:30] <oerheks> Guest6, keep this channel family friendly, thanks
[12:30] <luna> but um
[12:31] <Guest6> My family is very unfriendly
[12:31] <Guest6> I come from a redneck background
[12:33] <cbreak> could be worse. Could be Red Hat.
[13:12] <grkblood13> My text editors (geany and gedit) are freezing whenever I goto Save As after my system has been running for a while. Only rebooting the system will correct the issue. Currently running Kubuntu 21.04.
[13:15] <^]_> ravage: thx :)
[13:16] <KBar> grkblood13: sounds like a memory issue. What are your specs?
[13:16] <KBar> grkblood13: also, keep in mind that 21.04 is reaching its EoL very soon.
[13:17] <grkblood13> mem tot: 7.6G, used: 2.7G, free: 2.4G shared: 445M, buff: 2.6G, available: 4.2G
[13:19] <KBar> grkblood13: were these numbers taken at freeze moments?
[13:20] <grkblood13> ill run it again in a minute
[13:25] <grkblood13> no noticeable difference
[13:27] <grkblood13> apt dist-upgrade isn't showing any distribution upgrades available
[13:27] <KBar> grkblood13: of numbers? Also, does that happen only in those two apps? What if you try to save the same text in LibreOffice Writer.
[13:28] <grkblood13> w81
[13:28] <KBar> grkblood13: go to "Software & Updates" > Updates tab and select appropriate option from "Notify me of a new version".
[13:28] <grkblood13> openoffice works as expected
[13:32] <grkblood13> KBar, Kubuntu doesnt have that option: https://i.imgur.com/iGiNmON.png
[13:33] <KBar> grkblood13: The app is "Software & Updates", NOT "Software Updater". Kubuntu is Ubuntu.
[13:33] <KBar> Should have the same backbone.
[13:35] <KBar> grkblood13: if you can't find it, launch it from the shell: `software-properties-kde`.
[13:36] <ravage> there should a a cron that checks for new releases and then calls /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[13:36] <ravage> does that exist in kubuntu?
[13:37] <ducasse> that should be independnt of de
[13:37] <KBar> ravage: Kubuntu is on Qt. So the basename should look like c-n-r-kde or c-n-r-qt
[13:38] <ducasse> it works on my barebones install with i3, at least
[13:38] <ravage> sure. i just dont have kubuntu to check it
[13:38] <KBar> But it won't check for newer releases if the options is disabled
[13:38] <KBar> option*
[13:38] <grkblood13> KBar, that came up, but that exact option isn't available: https://i.imgur.com/VgsSYpx.png
[13:39] <KBar> grkblood13: its the last one in your case
[13:39] <KBar> Normal Releases probably means LTS in KDE terminology.
[13:40] <KBar> And you won't get any notification since 22.04 isn't out yet
[13:40] <grkblood13> there are 3 opts: Normal, LTS only, never
[13:40] <KBar> hmm
[13:41] <KBar> grkblood13: what if you select LTS, close the window (it should ask you to reload/update), open it again, reselect normal
[13:42] <grkblood13> ill just go through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ImpishUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:42] <ravage> what is the actual problem at the moment? how to upgrade or that there is no notification?
[13:43] <KBar> ravage: gedit hangs at save. user is on 21.04. i just warned that its reaching its eol soon
[13:43] <KBar> ravage: they decided to upgrade i guess
[13:43] <grkblood13> no notification. apparently im running a version thats about to be EOL and my system has never prompted me for an upgrade
[13:43] <ravage> pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[13:43] <grkblood13> gedit and geany
[13:43] <ravage> should do the upgrade. maybe its fixed in the new release
[13:44] <KBar> maybe you are already on a newer version. could you check it once more?
[13:44] <grkblood13> ravage, thats working. upgrading now
[13:44] <KBar> ahh
[13:44] <KBar> ok
[13:46] <KBar> the fact that there was no notification is also a problem
[13:47] <grkblood13> maybe its some screwed up kubuntu thing?
[13:47] <KBar> in any case, worth the attention of the maintainers
[13:48] <KBar> otherwise, people might be stuck on older releases forever
[13:52] <MrCollins> Hello.I am running Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS
[13:53] <KBar> hi and welcome. please ask your questions
[13:53] <grkblood13> upgrade is going to take about an hour apparently
[13:53] <MrCollins> Sorry! I want to map a truenas share and I have edited fstab with smbcredentials. The problem is I keep getting invalid arguement 22
[13:54] <MrCollins> I want to have it mapped and a shortcut on the ubuntu desktop. Thank you for any help. Thank you.
[13:56] <ducasse> MrCollins: if it's truenas, why not use nfs? much easier to deal with and faster
[14:00] <MrCollins> ducasse, ok let me give that a shot. If I encode a file using ubuntu and it is copied to the nfs share but I also have the same folder smb shared can win64 pick it up and use that file? (once the nfs work has been done)
[14:02] <ducasse> sure, they're different protocols viewing the same fs
[14:02] <MrCollins> ducasse, thank you. I will now google a howto on mapping the nfs share.
[14:03] <ducasse> MrCollins: export the share from truenas, then 'sudo mount host:/share /mountpoint'
[14:05] <MrCollins> export the share? I have it setup just now.
[14:08] <ducasse> then you should be able to just mount it
[14:11] <MrCollins> mount error(13): Permission denied
[14:20] <ducasse> then your server is not allowing that host to mount
[14:21] <ducasse> the only check is for client ip
[14:21] <cbreak> to mount an nfs share, you need to be root on a machine that uses an IP Address that is whitelisted on the server
[14:22] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[14:25] <MrCollinsGA> cbreak, I have that.
[14:25] <cbreak> have you tried showmount -e server?
[14:25] <MrCollinsGA> no I will try it now
[14:26] <MrCollinsGA> it returns /mnt/xxxxxxx/windowset (everyone)
[14:27] <cbreak> and how do you try to mount it?
[14:27] <MrCollinsGA> learning something new everyday hehe.
[14:27] <MrCollinsGA> sudo mount //192.168.x.x/mnt/xxxxx/windowset /media/libraries
[14:28] <cbreak> that // stuff makes no sense
[14:28] <MrCollinsGA> yeah you are right lol! :) I make no sense.
[14:29] <cbreak> it should be something like sudo mount -t nfs serverip:/mnt/xxxxxxx/windowset /media/libraries
[14:29] <MrCollinsGA> ok let me try that, thank you.
[14:30] <MrCollinsGA> thank you cbreak and ducasse
[14:30] <MrCollinsGA> that worked. Now do I pass that command to fstab?
[14:30] <MrCollinsGA> so it works each time I boot?
[14:30] <cbreak> you might want to make your server more restrictive
[14:30] <cbreak> only accept IPs in your local subnet
[14:30] <MrCollinsGA> ok I will. I will do that now
[14:31] <cbreak> if you want this to happen at boot, put it into /etc/fstab
[14:31] <MrCollinsGA> yes ok!
[14:31] <cbreak> https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-mount-an-nfs-share-in-linux/ is something I randomly found on duckduckgo
[14:31] <cbreak> it seems plausible
[14:31] <cbreak> it shows how to add nfs entries to fstab
[14:32] <MrCollinsGA> ok cbreak! I will go and read that and bookmark that. TY
[14:34] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: when you put it in your fstab, include 'nofail' in the mount options, so your linux box doesn't hang on boot if the share is unavailable
[14:35] <cbreak> I'd also add rw, just for clarity
[14:35] <cbreak> (that would be nofail,rw instead of default in fstab)
[14:36] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[14:37] <MrCollinsGA> does fstab need sudo?
[14:37] <ducasse> you might also want to add '_netdev' so the systemd scripts behave properly
[14:37] <ducasse> you need sudo to edit it
[14:37] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[14:38] <MrCollinsGA> the mount string I am writing in fstab does it need sudo in front of it
[14:38] <ducasse> no
[14:39] <ducasse> 'serverip:/mnt/xxxxxxx/windowset /media/libraries nfs rw,nofail,_netdev 0 0'
[14:39] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: ^^ that should work
[14:39] <cbreak> MrCollinsGA: fstab is not a file to add mount strings
[14:39] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[14:39] <cbreak> it's a file to add specific fstab syntax formated data
[14:39] <MrCollinsGA> AH
[14:39] <cbreak> the syntax is different from the command line
[14:39] <ducasse> it's not a script
[14:40] <MrCollinsGA> *light bulb*
[14:40] <cbreak> you can think of it as a kind of special tab-separated database
[14:40] <MrCollinsGA> so I can passoptions after the serverip:yadda
[14:40] <ducasse> well, whitespace
[14:41] <ducasse> 'rw,nofail,_netdev' are mount options
[14:42] <MrCollinsGA> ok! so on boot, the kernel tells fstab to execute. How does it know to mount if I just have a ip address there
[14:42] <MrCollinsGA> (ip address and the options as described etc)
[14:42] <ducasse> the mount command gets the mount info from fstab
[14:42] <MrCollinsGA> but I want it to auto mount. where do I tell it to do that
[14:43] <ducasse> it does that
[14:43] <MrCollinsGA> ok sorry im not being smart: what is 'it'
[14:43] <ducasse> anything in fstab is automounted unless you mark it noauto
[14:43] <MrCollinsGA> but how do it know that it's mounting something?
[14:43] <MrCollinsGA> does*
[14:43] <ducasse> the 'mount' command is run as 'mount -a' on boot
[14:44] <ducasse> 'mount -a' mounts everything in fstab
[14:44] <MrCollinsGA> ok so when I boot there is a command to kernel mount -a somewhere there is a file telling boot to do that
[14:45] <ducasse> essentially, yes
[14:45] <MrCollinsGA> ah.
[14:45] <MrCollinsGA> thank you for clearing that up ducasse
[14:45] <ducasse> np
[14:45] <ducasse> you can also use systemd mount units, but let's keep it simple
[14:46] <MrCollinsGA> ok so I will now test my fstab. I will BRB! :)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:54] <MrCollinsGA> morning
[14:55] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: so, did it work?
[14:55] <MrCollinsGA> yes ducasse! it did! thank you and cbreak
[14:56] <ducasse> you're welcome
[14:56] <cbreak> MrCollinsGA: in case you care, ubuntu uses a management daemon thingie called "systemd"
[14:56] <Aarch64debian> huh
[14:56] <MrCollinsGA> I do care! :)
[14:56] <cbreak> I think among many of the things is also the execution of mount for mounting fstab
[14:56] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: for setting up a desktop shortcut, you probably want a .desktop file
[14:57] <MrCollinsGA> yes I would like a desktop shortcut for sure.
[14:57] <Aarch64debian> how to make the windows hidden partiton to logical partition on ubuntu
[14:59] <oerheks> why is the windows partition hidden?
[15:01] <Aarch64debian> becuz windows made it that way, theres smth restore i forgot the name
[15:03] <ramblebamble> Aarch64debian, so we are talking about a laptop with a preinstalled windows? Then that should be the recovery partition, you could just delete it and recreate a new one
[15:03] <ducasse> it's still just a partition, you should be able to delete it if you don't need it
[15:05] <Aarch64debian> idk if i need it, i have xubuntu win 10 now i cant make more partitions
[15:06] <ramblebamble> with your setup you will most likely not recover anyways, but reinstall windows, so you will most likely not need it
[15:15] <MrCollinsGA> ok so I have this pc setup with software exactly how I want it. I have 3 other machines that have the exact same hardware. What is the best option to clone the hard drives in ubuntu? and I need different users for each machine. should I just setup the other users before I clone?
[15:16] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: ansible
[15:16] <MrCollinsGA> I was thinking clonezilla but didnt know is there was a built in solution
[15:16] <MrCollinsGA> ansible? ok ! :)
[15:17] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: fresh install of ubuntu then use ansible to orchestrate reinstalling your applications, setting up users and reconfiguring the system
[15:17] <leftyfb> cloning is never a good recovery solution
[15:18] <MrCollinsGA> bit rot?
[15:21] <MrCollinsGA> I am running windows as my main due to software constraints.
[15:22] <MrCollinsGA> should I just use one of the clients as the ansible server?
[15:23] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: there is no ansible server. You use ansible to create a playbook and roles which you then use to deploy to machines, typically over ssh
[15:24] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, ok
[15:27] <cbreak> I like ansible
[15:27] <MrCollinsGA> so a pxe solution would be overkill?
[15:27] <cbreak> the idea is that you write yaml files that describe what you want, and when you run them, ansible will try to make it so
[15:28] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: a disk image doesn't get updated
[15:29] <leftyfb> and won't help when you run into a situation where the disk image won't be compatible with the recovery
[15:29] <threeohnineseven> hi - i'm having really weird nvidia driver problems since i installed and uninstalled MATE desktop environment. The driver seems to misbehave when I first login, with nvidia-settings showing an empty window. If i log out of my user and login again its absolutely fine. Have Googled for help and just finding dead ends. Use Secure Boot - that is all set up correctly as far as I can tell. Have a desktop with just
[15:29] <threeohnineseven> one GPU and no integrated graphics. Has anyone seen this before?
[15:29] <leftyfb> threeohnineseven: disable secure boot
[15:29] <threeohnineseven> Unfortunately I cannot
[15:30] <leftyfb> why not?
[15:30] <threeohnineseven> I need it for a windows 11 app which runs on the same machine
[15:30] <threeohnineseven> its a headache, i know
[15:31] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, these clients will just be encoders for my youtube videos, and I dont care if they get updated.
[15:31] <MrCollinsGA> besides security
[15:39] <merpnderp> Is ansible the best way to administer multiple linux machines?
[15:40] <leftyfb> merpnderp: orchestrate, not administer. Though I do use it to regular updates across multiple machines
[15:40] <MrCollinsGA> these machines will also be headless just anydesk locally to tell the encoding software what to do
[15:40] <MrCollinsGA> so with ansible when there is an update it is done locally so I dont download 5 different times?
[15:41] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: will these machines be running ubuntu or windows or both?
[15:41] <MrCollinsGA> just ubuntu
[15:42] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, thank you for your help btw :)
[15:42] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: ansible can be used to run a command on multiple machines all at once
[15:43] <MrCollinsGA> ok! :) I will have a good look at it.
[15:51] <merpnderp> Ansible doesn't require a service to be running on your machines?
[15:51] <leftyfb> ssh
[15:51] <merpnderp> Does it just log in through ssh?
[15:51] <merpnderp> Nice
[15:51] <merpnderp> Thanks leftyfb
[15:58] <merpnderp> Is ansible foss?
[15:58] <merpnderp> Free to use?
[15:59] <cbreak> it's free as in free of cost
[15:59] <leftyfb> merpnderp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible_(software)
[15:59] <leftyfb> merpnderp: also, /join #ansible
[15:59] <cbreak> you can install it via apt, or via pip
[16:00] <cbreak> it works on Mac OS or Linux, and probably many more platforms
[16:00] <cbreak> you don't have to install it on the systems you want to manage with it, just on the controller where you run it
[16:00] <cbreak> but it does require some form of python for most capabilities, and additional tools for additional capabilities
[16:00] <merpnderp> Which would be my windows desktop
[16:00] <jhutchins> merpnderp: I believe it's OS, although there might be closed plug-ins, particularly for managing closed applications.
[16:01] <merpnderp> Right now, what I need it for is running a bunch of bash commands.
[16:01] <merpnderp> mostly sed
[16:01] <leftyfb> merpnderp: /join #ansible
[16:02] <jhutchins> merpnderp: I haven't tried Cheff, but Ansible is very good for management.  Puppet is good if you have to enforce configurations (developers with root).
[16:03] <merpnderp> jhutchins: I just want the easiest way to run my commands to implement all the security fails the security guy's script found.
[16:03] <merpnderp> Our sys admins apparently don't want to be bothered admining our linux machines. So I'm doing it.
[16:03] <cbreak> merpnderp: you want to remotely uninstall windows? :)
[16:04] <leftyfb> merpnderp: you can do that. Please take further ansible discussion to #ansible
[16:04] <merpnderp> leftyfb: I am on ansible. Was just answering jhutchins
[16:04] <orange1> serious buisness
[16:04] <jhutchins> merpnderp: Remember that those security scripts usually just check major version numbers and don't check CVEs to see if they've been patched.
[16:05] <jhutchins> merpnderp: How many machines are you managing?
[16:05] <merpnderp> jhutchins: no, those security scripts are almost entirely bs.
[16:05] <merpnderp> I'm fixing 3 different firewalls
[16:05] <merpnderp> ufw iptables notables.
[16:05] <merpnderp> nftables
[16:05] <merpnderp> jhutchins: two machines so far.
[16:05] <merpnderp> But will likely grow
[16:06] <jhutchins> merpnderp: Three's not too bad to handle manually or with a bash script.  5+ is worth the overhead of managing ansible.
[16:06] <merpnderp> We'll likely be moving a lot more of our windows servers to Ubuntu
[16:07] <merpnderp> jhutchins: yeah, so far this script I'm writing is fine. Just having to make the regex robust enough to be ran several times without screwing things up is annoying.
[16:07] <jhutchins> merpnderp: THere are a couple of programs that will allow you top open multiple ssh sessions and send shell commands to them in parallel.  That might be a good solution for now.
[16:07] <cbreak> one of those tools is "ansible" :)
[16:07] <jhutchins> merpnderp: idempotent - difficult, but worth the effort.
[16:08] <merpnderp> After watching the RH video on ansible, I think my bash script is fine for now.
[16:08] <cbreak> ansible is more than just a recipe for what to do
[16:08] <cbreak> it describes the state you want
[16:08] <jhutchins> cbreak: I mean live console sessions, not scripted.
[16:08] <cbreak> you're guaranteed to be able to apply the same ansible playbook multiple times, and it'll work fine
[16:08] <merpnderp> Trying to mix yaml and bash is going to be annoying. Plus having to learn the yaml configs.
[16:09] <cbreak> for example, you don't write an "ansible script" to add some line to a config file. You'd write an ansible playbook entry that describes a line you want to have in the file.
[16:09] <jhutchins> merpnderp: Ansible is pretty reasonable and logical.
[16:09] <cbreak> and if that line's already there, it won't add an other one
[16:09] <merpnderp> jhutchins: perhaps, but in the first playbook example they just do yum install nginx.
[16:10] <merpnderp> I install from nginx's repos. So it's a bit more complicated.
[16:10] <jhutchins> One of the gotchas about ansible is that if you run different versions, or even the same version on different OSs/versions, you can get different results (mostly different errors).
[16:10] <cbreak> or you would not write "apt install blah-package", you'd write apt: name: blah-package ; state: present
[16:11] <cbreak> or state: latest
[16:11] <cbreak> you describe what you want, not how to get there
[16:11] <jhutchins> Yep.  Pretty smooth.
[16:11] <leftyfb> I don't think they're going to bother with ansible at this point
[16:11] <jhutchins> You do want to be careful about using "latest", it triggers a full update and package scan every time.
[16:12] <merpnderp> Yeah, I'm a programmer who's been advocating for Ubuntu to replace some of our machines for 10 years and when we finally do it, they stick me with doing all the security crap. I'm not a sys admin and definitely don't want to be one. Like this sucks bad enough I'm thinking of finding another job.
[16:12] <jhutchins> leftyfb: If an expansion is imminent, it's good to learn it in advance, it will help with the rollout.
[16:13] <leftyfb> jhutchins: I fully agree. But as they have said multiple times, they are a developer, not an admin. The interest isn't there.
[16:14] <jhutchins> merpnderp: I know how you feel, I'm an admin and when they start asking me to write dashboards and log analisers I'm not happy.
[16:14] <cbreak> merpnderp: I'me software engineer too, and I ended up building and maintaining a compute cluster at work :)
[16:15] <cbreak> ansible saved me a lot of time with that
[16:15] <jhutchins> I really wish management understood the line between development and administration, and appreciated the need for dedicated admins.
[16:15] <cbreak> tip: what ever you do: put your ansible playbooks, admin scripts, or what ever you end up using into a git repo
[16:15] <merpnderp> At this point I could have just manually fixed all the issues on each machine and been done a long time ago. But I was tasked with making it easily repeatable.
[16:16] <jhutchins> cbreak: Yes!  Git is an essential part of the system!
[16:16] <cbreak> merpnderp: ansible saved me a lot of time, when I got a new node, just modify the list of nodes a bit, run the script, done... (more or less)
[16:16] <leftyfb> someone in #ansible also made a good point. It's more than just a way to automate some things. It's also a good way to document HOW to do them
[16:17] <cbreak> yes.
[16:17] <cbreak> via git :)
[16:17] <merpnderp> leftyfb: yeah, I was thinking that was the best part of the playbooks
[16:17] <merpnderp> They show what all is happening and how.
[16:17] <cbreak> some of the setup I wasn't able to put into ansible
[16:18] <cbreak> but most of it is there, and I think it helps a lot for describing how it's set up
[16:18] <leftyfb> merpnderp: mind you, done correctly, the actual playbook should just be a list of machines and/or groups and roles. The meat should be separated into individual roles
[16:30] <maszlo> I am struggling to run updates.  It appears to be an issue caused from updates to openjdk from the log4j updates. I have been unsuccessful at fixing or purging the package. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JV2Hh4Dwjb/
[16:31] <maszlo> I am not really sure why it is the 32bit version installed.
[16:34] <leftyfb> maszlo: did you try to run what the error message tells you to run to attempt to fix it?
[16:37] <maszlo> leftyfb, I guess should have included that in the paste! https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dFX35XsKNs/
[16:38] <leftyfb> maszlo: sudo apt purge openjdk-8-jre-headless:i386
[16:38] <ioria> maszlo, wait...
[16:38] <leftyfb> ioria: that package should die regardless
[16:38] <ioria> i think is a bug (not sure)
[16:39] <ioria> maszlo, canyou try   : sudo dpkg --configure --force-overwrite -a
[16:42] <maszlo> this is what i was seeing.. i couldnt fix it or purge it.  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/H83jCgbvjd/
[16:43] <maszlo> maybe should just remove that /etc/java-8-openjdk/security/java.security it didnt want to overwrite?
[16:43] <leftyfb> maszlo: sudo apt purge openjdk-8-jre-headless:i386 openjdk-8-jdk-headless:i386
[16:44] <maszlo> that didnt work https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/65yYDrTq3z/
[16:46] <ioria> maszlo, last try, then we' ll do it manually : sudo apt -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" --fix-broken install
[16:48] <maszlo> ioria, that one worked!  thank you so much. I was really stumped on this one for a few days
[16:48] <ioria> maszlo, very good
[16:50] <maszlo> i have never seen apt run with those parameters before.  I am guessing that i should really purge that version of java out.  not sure why still have version 8 installed anyhow.
[16:51] <ioria> some apps still do not work with 11 and up
[16:52] <maszlo> is there any simple way to see what depends on that version 8?
[16:53] <ioria> not that i'am aware of
[17:10] <MrCollinsGA> I need anydesk to start at boot not login, because I will have some headless ubuntu clients that I need to remotely monitor and use via gui.
[17:10] <MrCollinsGA> I have googled this without much helpful results.
[17:12] <MrArcher23> hi! guys! good morning!
[17:12] <MrCollinsGA> good morning
[17:13] <shadow255> MrCollinsGA: have you seen or tried X2Go - it might be a better fit for your use case
[17:13] <MrCollinsGA> and the x2go can be ran from win64?
[17:13] <eelstrebor> is there really a 21.04 release? if so, is it LTS?
[17:13] <shadow255> MrCollinsGA: yes
[17:13] <MrArcher23> my wifi it works fine on widnows10
[17:14] <MrArcher23> but on ubunto is unstable
[17:14] <MrArcher23> ubuntu*
[17:16] <MrCollinsGA> sweet! thank you shadow255 ill check it out
[17:25] <cbreak> eelstrebor: yes, there was. No, it's not LTS
[17:25] <cbreak> get 21.10 or 20.04
[17:27] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: 21.04 will be EOL in a few weeks
[17:52] <MrCollinsGA> shadow255, this is fantastic! thank you for this recommendation so much simpler
[18:36] <BrianBlaze> I am trying to make an application shortcut on my dock and I made it happen but there is no icon
[18:36] <BrianBlaze> it's kind of a blank hole i CAN CLICK ON TO LAUNCH THE APP
[18:36] <BrianBlaze> oops caps, any idea how to put any icon?
[18:37] <leftyfb> BrianBlaze: https://www.howtogeek.com/445303/how-to-create-desktop-shortcuts-on-ubuntu/
[18:37] <BrianBlaze> thank you!
[18:38] <leftyfb> BrianBlaze: first result on google for "ubuntu make shortcut"
[18:38] <leftyfb> also "ubuntu make icon"
[18:38] <BrianBlaze> I have the shortcut tho but lets see if this can make an icon show up
[18:42] <BrianBlaze> ok well I now have icons on my desktop but still no icon for the application I made a .desktop file for pointing to an image file for the icon...
[18:43] <BrianBlaze> ha syntax matters
[18:43] <BrianBlaze> I missed a capital <3
[18:43] <BrianBlaze> thanks for the brainstorming
[18:54] <eelstrebor> leftyfb, thanks
[18:54] <MrCollinsGA> I am using x2go, ubuntu being target server and windows as client. I want passwordless login. I have setup the ssh keys. it still asks me for a password. I haev followed several tutorials and I am stumped. just dont know where to go. thank you for any help
[19:00] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: what does increasing the verbosity of ssh do?
[19:01] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: can you ssh to the Ubuntu machine?
[19:01] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: can you ssh to the machine in question? Does it ask for a password?
[19:01] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: also, servers don't have X
[19:01] <MrCollinsGA> yes I can ssh to the machine
[19:02] <MrCollinsGA> not sure how to debug x2go?
[19:02] <MrCollinsGA> im typing from my win machine thru x2go
[19:04] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Not too sure about x2go, it seems like it might be relatively new and not widely adopted.
[19:04] <gordonjcp> I'm not sure what the point of it is
[19:04] <gordonjcp> what would you use it for?
[19:04] <MrCollinsGA> i want to remotely manage headless ubuntu clients from win64
[19:04] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: headless machines don't have X...
[19:05] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: There are a number of other methods such as vnc and rdp.  If your client machine is Windows, rdp is a good place to start.
[19:05] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: there's no point having X on a server
[19:05] <MrCollinsGA> ok monitorless
[19:05] <gordonjcp> okay, but why?
[19:05] <gordonjcp> like, what problem does this solve?
[19:05] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Another option is to learn proper console management.  Nothing ubuntu runs as a service should need a GUI to manage.
[19:06] <MrCollinsGA> I am encoding video files, and I want these machines I have setup as encoders for video files so I can encode many at once
[19:06] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: This does not require a GUI.
[19:06] <MrCollinsGA> many different files
[19:06] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Most of the large encoding/transcoding farms that Hollywood uses are pure text.
[19:06] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: you don't need a GUI for that at all
[19:06] <MrCollinsGA> ok.
[19:07] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: what are you encoding with?
[19:07] <MrCollinsGA> what is my best option for this? I am encoding with Open Shot a free video editor/decoder
[19:07] <MrCollinsGA> by the way thank you for everyones input. greatly appreciated
[19:07] <leftyfb> funny thing, I bet ansible could be used if you needed to manually kick off encoding applications on each of the machines. That said, I bet this could all be automated with some file shares and watchers running on the machines
[19:08] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: openshot just uses command line tools in the background
[19:08] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, yes I would love to set this up please
[19:08] <gordonjcp> incidentally, you don't even need a GUI even if you're using hardware-accelerated ffmpeg
[19:08] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: ffmpeg
[19:08] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: it's a bit of a headnip to figure out at first but very soon you'll wonder how you ever coped with anything else
[19:09] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: especially when you discover scripting
[19:09] <gordonjcp> leftyfb: this is what I have done in the past, although I used Fabric
[19:09] <MrCollinsGA> ok! so lets say I use open shot on my win64 machine to edit the videos I create. right I need a gui for that. But I want to keep creating and farm out the mule work to ubuntu. ffmpeg will encode this?
[19:09] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: I would spend some time learning how to use ffmpeg to encode a file the way you want. That's step #1
[19:09] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: you need to think about your workflow a bit
[19:10] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: if you are rendering in openshot to a "delivery" file and then compressing that to maybe h264 and vp8/vp9 then you can do this easily
[19:10] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: also, forget openshot
[19:10] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: if you have at least something like an NVidia GT1030 just use Davinci Resolve
[19:10] <MrCollinsGA> My idea was: create the video, its on a nfs share. then ubuntu desktop run openshot and just simply encode the file and it copies it back to the nfs share then I can upload
[19:11] <gordonjcp> okay
[19:11] <MrCollinsGA> davinci resolve ok
[19:11] <gordonjcp> that could work
[19:11] <MrCollinsGA> thank you
[19:11] <gordonjcp> but you've got a lot of network traffic
[19:11] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: DR is a fairly complex package, it's a serious professional video editor, but the Free version is literally free to download and use
[19:11] <MrCollinsGA> these machines are local to me all sitting in my area
[19:11] <gordonjcp> for nothing
[19:11] <MrCollinsGA> wow!
[19:11] <gordonjcp> on Windows, Linux and Mac OSX
[19:11] <MrCollinsGA> I had zero idea thank you!
[19:12] <leftyfb> edit files locally, then copy to a file share on one of the machines, it see's a new file and starts the encoding process
[19:12] <gordonjcp> you can't do 4k video and some of the super sophisticated graphics are only available in the paid-for version
[19:12] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: I reckon doing it over NFS sounds like a lot of network traffic
[19:13] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: copy your files onto the server, run ffmpeg on the server, and your video will be wherever you told it to put it
[19:13] <leftyfb> unless you've got setup like LTT, you shouldn't be editing files over network shares at all
[19:13] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[19:14] <gordonjcp> I avoid editing over network shares even with gigabit
[19:14] <gordonjcp> I have 8TB of spinning rust on a server, 1TB of spinning rust and 1TB of SSD in my desktop
[19:15] <MrCollinsGA> spinning rust! i like it
[19:15] <gordonjcp> you *can* do it in Resolve if you're using proxy video at super low bitrate and resolution
[19:15] <gordonjcp> cutting 4k directly is a miserable experience even on a super chunky machine
[19:16] <MrCollinsGA> I have a 2060 super on a i7 8700 32gb ram
[19:16] <gordonjcp> you won't even see 4k on your monitor
[19:16] <MrCollinsGA> on windows
[19:16] <gordonjcp> so you cut proxy video at maybe 720p at most
[19:16] <MrCollinsGA> im doing 1080 and its mind numbing with openshot
[19:16] <gordonjcp> when you render it renders off the real 4k footage but with the cut points from the proxy
[19:17] <MrCollinsGA> openshot has been crashing if I move the mouse the wrong way
[19:17] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: seriously, download Resolve and the Beginner's Guide PDF and sample files
[19:17] <MrCollinsGA> im going to davinci
[19:17] <MrCollinsGA> im downloading now
[19:17] <MrCollinsGA> ty for that
[19:17] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: you won't do any editing "work" for a few days while you work through the tutorials, and then you'll wonder how you ever managed
[19:17] <gordonjcp> sorry, incidentally, for the -ot
[19:17] <gordonjcp> we should take this to #u-ot
[19:18] <MrCollinsGA> what is that channel?
[19:18] <gordonjcp> #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:18] <gordonjcp> I'm running Resolve in Ubuntu 20.04 so it's on-topic really ;-)
[19:21] <MrCollinsGA> so lets assume I get davinci down for the basics. I want to have my headless ubuntus setup. I take video1.mkv copy it to say machine1 use ffmpeg to encode/decode/whatever then can I automated that finished file to my nfs for upload
[19:22] <MrCollinsGA> am I getting that right? I want to store my finished files for a certain amount of time until I backup and store.
[19:23] <tomreyn> are you doing this once, or are you basically setting up a production workflow there?
[19:23] <MrCollinsGA> production workflow tomreyn
[19:23] <MrCollinsGA> I have 5 identical machines i5's I want to use those as encoding mules
[19:25] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: you can't really use mkv for this
[19:25] <MrCollinsGA> basically I just need to use terminal only ubuntu and figure out ffmpeg
[19:25] <MrCollinsGA> ok well ill dump mkv then
[19:25] <gordonjcp> MrCollinsGA: but let's take this to #u-ot
[19:25] <MrCollinsGA> ok
[19:25] <MrCollinsGA> done
[19:29] <Kexoni> hi, I searched yesterday and today for help and tutorials. I have problem installing Ubuntu, tried everything. I have two SSD disks, at first disk there is Windows, I am trying to install Ubuntu at second SSD. installation is completed but cannot boot Ubuntu. I see Grub menu, after I choose Ubuntu there is only black screen. In bios I have options "Legacy support" and first boot option is UEFI. Wi
[19:30] <Kexoni> any ideas what I am doing wrong?
[19:39] <leftyfb> Kexoni: make sure secureboot is disabled and check to see if your PC has any "RAID" options, that's probably not going to work for Ubuntu and should be disabled (this will break Windows)
[19:40] <Kexoni> secureboot is disabled, no RAID options, I mounted secods SSD yesterday, it is working I can see this disk in Windows
[19:43] <Kexoni> also, for device for boot loader i tried everything too, tried sda, sda1 (windows boot manager), sdb, sdb1...
[19:44] <Kexoni> after this I tried installing Elementory OS, this OS I can't even install
[19:44] <tomreyn> Kexoni: i think your initial summary was cut off (due to the maximum line length we have here), specifically everything following after "In bios I have options "Legacy support" and first boot option is UEFI."
[19:45] <tomreyn> Kexoni:  it's important to install ubuntu (i.e. boot and run the installer) in the same boot mode (UEFI or legacy BIOS) as your windows installation uses.
[19:46] <tomreyn> windows probably uses uefi mode, so make sure you boot the ubuntu installer in uefi mode as well.
[19:46] <Kexoni> Windows use UEFI...
[19:47] <Kexoni> yes, I set only to UEFI in BIOS, and tried install couple of times
[19:47] <tomreyn> when you booted the ubuntu installer, you can open a terminal window by pressing ctrl-alt-t. typing this will tell you how you booted:
[19:47] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[19:48] <Kexoni> thanks, I will try another install in a few minutes
[19:48] <tomreyn> this could also be something specific to your system / hardware + firmware, so if you can provide more details on this, this could also help
[19:48] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:     would tell us about your hardware
[19:48] <Kexoni> I am using Lenovo b51 80
[19:48] <tomreyn> consider a bios upgrade, too, since those *can* resolve such incompatibilities.
[19:49] <Kexoni> tried BIOS upgrade, I am using latest version
[19:52] <Kexoni> tomreyn, what should I choose for "device for boot loader installation", I saw many suggestions in forums, some say it should be sda, some say that it shoud be where is efi (sda1) windows boot manager...
[19:55] <tomreyn> Kexoni: if you're using the default ubuntu desktop installer and doing an uefi installation, then it does not matter what you choose there, it will be ignored, and the installation will be attempted on the first efy system partition
[19:55] <tomreyn> *efi system partition
[19:56] <tomreyn> bug 1396379
[19:56] <tomreyn> people run into this daily, i don't know why this bug has had this state for sooooo long.
[19:58] <Kexoni> thanks, I tried 5-6 times (or more) with different device fir boot loader installation, I see that I lost time only :D next, I'll try command that you gave to me to see how I booted
[20:01] <Kexoni> brb after install
[20:35] <Kexoni> still no results, booted installation in UEFI
[20:35] <Kexoni> this is boot menu in bios https://ibb.co/xjJYN1Y
[20:37] <Kexoni> how system is booted https://ibb.co/kcXCnD7
[20:38] <erbth> Kexoni: do you still see grub?
[20:38] <Kexoni> yes I see
[20:39] <erbth> could you try to press 'e' when grub's splash screen is displayed?
[20:40] <erbth> you should enter the bootoption-editor with this command
[20:40] <erbth> there you should see a line like 'linux ... quiet'
[20:41] <erbth> like in a text file, you should be able to navigate with the cursor keys to the word 'quiet'
[20:41] <erbth> you could try to replace it withou 'noquiet' (just prepend 'no')
[20:42] <erbth> then press CTRL-X and the system should try to boot with more verbose 'debug'-output
[20:42] <ioria> Kexoni, what's your video card ?
[20:43] <erbth> *with 'noquiet'
[20:45] <tomreyn> Kexoni: also tell us which ubuntu version you're installing (unless i missed it, you didn't so far)
[20:46] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[20:46] <Kexoni> erbth, I will try in a few minutes
[20:47] <Kexoni> ioria, I have amd radeon m5 330 and another one integrated
[20:47] <erbth> Kexoni: ah, and if you see 'splash' in that line starting with 'linux...', please delete it
[20:47] <Kexoni> tomreyn, I am installing ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64
[20:48] <Kexoni> erbth, ok
[20:48] <Kexoni> brb soon
[21:13] <Kexoni> tried to edit grub with e, but cannot save. I tried ctrl + s, then ctrl + o, but cannot save
[21:13] <erbth> Kexoni: you don't need to save - just press ctrl + x to boot
[21:14] <erbth> it's actually not a text file, it just 'looks' like one
[21:14] <beck> trying to install ubuntu . it said fatal error but it also said installation complete
[21:15] <Kexoni> ok, I am back in a few minutes erbth
[21:15] <beck> what am i doing wrong?
[21:18] <tomreyn> beck: which ubuntu version and how are you installing?
[21:18] <tomreyn> did you create an usb installer, how?
[21:34] <Kexoni> removed splash, removed quiet and tried to put noquiet and removed splash, then hit ctrl + x, after this only black screen
[21:35] <erbth> Kexoni: hm, did you get a blinking cursor in the top left corner?
[21:35] <tomreyn> Kexoni: someone asked you about your graphics card earlier, did you answer this?
[21:36] <Kexoni> erbth, it was there when I hit e
[21:37] <erbth> was it still there on the black screen after pressing ctrl-x?
[21:37] <Kexoni> tomreyn, yes I answered, I have amd radeon r5 m330 and I have integrated intel hd graphics 520
[21:37] <Kexoni> yes erbth
[21:38] <Kexoni> I moved cursor to to bottom after editing, should I return to the top erbth?
[21:38] <tomreyn> oh, i missed that
[21:39] <tomreyn> Kexoni: erbth refers to what you saw after you pressed ctrl-x
[21:39] <Kexoni> yeah, it was at the top left corner
[21:39] <tomreyn> so there was a blinking cursor there, not just a black screen, right?
[21:40] <Kexoni> and after ctrl-x there was again lenovo logo and then only black screen
[21:41] <Kexoni> no cursor, only black screen, tried to hit ctrl+alt+t, nothing hapened, when I hit num lock at keyboard nothing happens
[21:41] <tomreyn> oh, that actually suggests a kernel panic, strange
[21:41] <tomreyn> congratulations, your is a very rare and special case ;)
[21:42] <Kexoni> after this I shutdown pc by pressing power button
[21:42] <Kexoni> thanks haha
[21:42] <tomreyn> i'll see what i can find on your hardware, Lenovo b51 80
[21:42] <Kexoni> yeah, I am not noob with PC's, at my old PC I intalled dualboot couple of times
[21:42] <erbth> ah did you have to press and hold it for >3seconds or did a short press (<=1second) suffice?
[21:43] <Kexoni> hmmm I think that I need to hold it a few seconds, I can try again, should I erbth?
[21:44] <Kexoni> it is no problem
[21:44] <erbth> well, 'few seconds' confirms tomreyn's thought about the kernel panic, i think :-)
[21:47] <tomreyn> Kexoni: i think it could help if you would post a full "dmesg" output while running the ubuntu live system from the usb
[21:48] <Kexoni> tomreyn, thanks, it is Lenovo B51-80, Intel, Core i3, 6100U, 2,30 GHz, 8 GB, 15,6", 1366x768, SSD 128 GB
[21:48] <Kexoni> erbth, I will try again right now
[21:49] <Kexoni> brb in a few minutes
[21:49] <tomreyn> Kexoni:
[21:59] <Kexoni> while in black screen pc shutdown right after I press power button
[21:59] <jhutchins> I think we're probably more interested in the GUI chipset.  This looks a lot like what you get when the kernel module (not the Xorg driver) fails to load.
[22:00] <tomreyn> i'm guessing on the intel cpu with integrated amd gpu causing trouble, maybe adding kernel options   amdgpu.dpm=0 radeon.dpm=0   would help
[22:00] <Kexoni> also, tried changing graphic in bios, changes from switchable graphic to UMA, not results, I returned to switchable
[22:04] <tomreyn> oh i got it wrong, it's an intel cpu with integrated intel gpu and a separate amd gpu
[22:05] <Kexoni> I remember that I once booted Ubuntu right after install, but after restart if I remember correctly it didint even show grub, but can't remember
[22:05] <Kexoni> too much tries
[22:06] <Kexoni> tomreyn, yes
[22:06] <tomreyn> did you download the 20.04 installer iso just recently or is this an older installer?
[22:06] <Kexoni> I downloaded yesterday
[22:07] <tomreyn> can we see the dmesg?
[22:07] <tomreyn> unless jhutchins has another / better strategy
[22:08] <Kexoni> yes, just say how to show this
[22:08] <tomreyn> Kexoni: if you have a second computer, such as a smartphone, you could also use this to connect here and ask more questions or clarify things while the computer we are trying to fix is booting
 Kexoni: i think it could help if you would post a full "dmesg" output while running the ubuntu live system from the usb
[22:09] <jhutchins> tomreyn: dmesg should show something.
[22:09] <erbth> i would like to add a thought: do you know if the drm drivers are in the initramfs?
[22:10] <tomreyn> Kexoni: boot the installer/live usb, select live system, bring it online, open a terminal (ctrl-alt-t or select from menu) and type   dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:12] <Kexoni> ok, kexoni-mob is my second nick, I will try now
[22:13] <tomreyn> erbth: i would expect them to be, yes.
[22:14] <funabashi> Hi can anyone be nice and help me connect to my wifi router from ubuntu via cli ?
[22:15] <erbth> tomreyn: thanks, then blacklisting them might be worth a try / or the parameters you suggested
[22:15] <tomreyn> erbth: on 18.04's HWE kernel (5.4.0.-91) is see there is main/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdrm.so.2.4.0
[22:17] <tomreyn> erbth: there is also main/lib/modules/5.4.0-91-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko and main/lib/firmware/amdgpu there, and probably the same for intel
[22:18] <tomreyn> yes, same for i915
[22:18] <tomreyn> funabashi: is it headless then?
[22:38] <erbth> i have a question, too - i have a an old ubuntu precise (12.04) installation (i know it should be upgraded/replaced), which now shows that updates would be available
[22:38] <erbth> the last time i installed updates was on 2020-11-30, and i would not have expected any updates to be released since then
[22:39] <erbth> this machine does not have an ESM subscription
[22:39] <erbth> why is that the case?
[22:39] <erbth> i did not alter the sources.list files
[22:39] <kexoni-mob> I am back, connection has been broken
[22:41] <erbth> regarding my question: it also appears that new versions of some packages have been made and/or uploaded to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates
[22:41] <erbth> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/sudo/+changelog)
[22:43] <erbth> is this really the case or am i accidentally mixing packages from different ubuntu versions here?
[22:43] <tomreyn> erbth: #ubuntu-security might have an answer on this. but maybe try to identify which updates were installed and which USNs those relate to first.
[22:43] <erbth> tomreyn: thank you, gonna do that and eventually switch over there
[22:45] <tomreyn> erbth: note that, basically, from my POV, your question boils down to: "why did you make this one security update for free instead for pay only?"
[22:45] <tomreyn> and the USN will be https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4705-2 if it was the sudo package
[22:46] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: so, any news / output for us to look at?
[22:47] <erbth> tomreyn: already thought something like that regarding regarding the sudo package, but didn't think far enough that USNs might provide information for all other packages as well
[22:47] <erbth> thank you very much.
[22:47] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[22:50] <Kaedenn> How can I silence the "apt does not have a stable CLI interface" warning when invoking apt-get via scripts?
[22:50] <Kaedenn> I know what I'm doing.
[22:50] <Kaedenn> s/know/generally know/
[22:51] <tomreyn> edit source code and rebuild
[22:51] <Kaedenn> ...wha? surely there's an option to silence warnings
[22:52] <Kaedenn> at the worst case
[22:53] <Kaedenn> well, worst case is I capture stderr and filter out that line
[22:54] <tomreyn> do you mind seeing this warning when you run apt manually, or is this related to scripts?
[22:54] <Kaedenn> this is related to scripts
[22:54] <Kaedenn> well
[22:54] <Kaedenn> I run the script manually
[22:55] <Kaedenn> I'm effectively wrapping apt-search in a script that reformats the output
[22:55] <tomreyn> doesn't matter really, you're scripintg. the warning is specifically for this scenario.
[22:55] <Kaedenn> is there a way to change the listing format apt-search uses to display results?
[22:55] <Kaedenn> correct
[22:56] <Kaedenn> found it! Apt::Cmd::Disable-Script-Warning
[22:56] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with "apt-search"
[22:56] <Kaedenn> apt-search is the binary invoked by `apt search`
[22:56] <tomreyn> i see
[22:57] <Kaedenn> yeap, this works: -oApt::Cmd::Disable-Script-Warning=True
[22:57] <tomreyn> must be newer, there is no such file on 18.04
[22:57] <Kaedenn> huh, then it's just a manpage thing
[22:57] <Kaedenn> `man apt-search` is how you get the help for apt search specifically
[22:58] <Kaedenn> good to know apt-search isn't a program; I'll adjust the wording of my script
[22:59] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/amd64/apt/filelist shows no apt-search binary
[22:59] <tomreyn> $ man apt-search
[22:59] <tomreyn> No manual entry for apt-search
[22:59] <tomreyn> but this is 18.04 again
[22:59] <tomreyn> man apt says: search (apt-cache(8))
[23:00] <Kaedenn> ...then I'm spewing nonsense
[23:00] <Kaedenn> I have no idea why I thought "apt-search" was a thing
[23:00] <tomreyn> so are you actually referring to 'apt-cache search'?
[23:00] <Kaedenn> probably!
[23:01] <tomreyn> and do you still have a question regarding it?
[23:01] <kexoni-mob> tomreyn https://termbin.cim/onlo
[23:01] <kexoni-mob> There is output
[23:01] <robertparkerx> what does this mean https://i.imgur.com/91UC5jJ.png
[23:01] <robertparkerx> is it almost out of memory?
[23:01] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: okay, this: https://termbin.com/onlo - will have a look
[23:01] <Kaedenn> my question was disabling the CLI warning, which I figured out via Apt::Cmd::Disable-Script-Warning
[23:02] <tar_xvf> robertparkerx: can you run `free -mh`
[23:02] <kexoni-mob> Ok, thanks
[23:02] <Kaedenn> robertparkerx: note the available column on the far right
[23:02] <robertparkerx> https://i.imgur.com/v9DEHui.png
[23:02] <tomreyn> jhutchins: kexoni-mob's ubuntu 20.04 installer live system dmesg, if you're still around: https://termbin.com/onlo
[23:02] <robertparkerx> oh
[23:02] <Kaedenn> robertparkerx: also, take a look at `man free`
[23:02] <Kaedenn> it explains what the columns actually mean
[23:03] <h_m> there is "apt search" though
[23:03] <erbth> Kaedenn: depending on you usecase you might also like to have a look at apt-cache search (vs. apt search) - it has a more script-friendly (*stable*) output
[23:03] <Kaedenn> (manpages are your friends and you should use their friendship)
[23:03] <Kaedenn> erbth: ...they... aren't the same thing?
[23:03] <erbth> no, not really
[23:04] <Kaedenn> today I learned
[23:04] <erbth> from what i know, apt xxx are wrappers around apt-get and apt-cache that present more user-friendly output in interactive terminals
[23:04] <Kaedenn> my short-term goal: wrap apt-search to display results using one line per result, akin to prior versions of apt
[23:04] <erbth> (like a progress bar when installing software)
[23:04] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: first finding, and this is usually graphics related, is "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value" "please specify mtrr_gran_size/mtrr_chunk_size"
[23:05] <Kaedenn> however, I would not be surprised if there is already a feature to change (or condense) the output of apt-cache search
[23:05] <Kaedenn> heck, I could just use the machine-readable output format and parse *that*
[23:05] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: check if you have an option in bios to decide how much VRAM / VGA RAM/memory you wish to assign to the GPU / IGA / IGM
[23:06] <kexoni-mob> Ok, I will check now
[23:06] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: and, if so, tell us what it was set to, which values are available, and then set the highest fixed value, and try to boot again.
[23:06] <kexoni-mob> Ok
[23:08] <tomreyn> !mtrr | kexoni-mob
[23:09] <tomreyn> ^ that's the second thing you can try, presented to you by our cuddly little channel bot
[23:10] <kexoni-mob> tomreyn, there is no such settings to change memory values
[23:10] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: so it's above plan b then
[23:10] <Kaedenn> ...turns out I already wrote a program to handle the output of `apt-cache search --full`
[23:10] <Kaedenn> and forgot about it
[23:18] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: let me know if you need any help reading this, and finding the right values. it always makes my head spin, too.
[23:19] <kexoni-mob> tomreyn thanks, I am booting live Ubuntu to enter command from github article
[23:20] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: but you'd enter those in grub's editor, like you did earlier
[23:20] <Kaedenn> is the shell variable LANGUAGE something I can rely on?
[23:20] <kexoni-mob> Oh, ok
[23:20] <Kaedenn> I don't see it in `man bash` and am not sure where it's being set
[23:21] <Kaedenn> I'm trying to extract the current language code based off of the current locale
[23:21] <jhutchins> kexoni-mob: I don't see anything that jumps out in the dmesg dump.
[23:23] <jhutchins> You would think we would have hybrid graphics figured out by now.  Trouble is, it's not consistently implemented.
[23:26] <erbth> Keadenn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#The_LANGUAGE_priority_list
[23:26] <erbth> *Kaedenn
[23:27] <Kaedenn> erbth: oh joy, thank you!
[23:27] <kexoni-mob> Thanks jhutchins, maybe I will need to completely reinstal Win and start from the scratch...
[23:28] <Kaedenn> clicking that link opens Chrome when my default browser is Firefox, how do I change this?
[23:28] <Kaedenn> Ubuntu 20.04
[23:28] <Kaedenn> as in, how can I make my web browser configuration consistent?
[23:29] <kexoni-mob> tomreyn, no change with this command
[23:29] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: what did you set?
[23:29] <kexoni-mob> Maybe problem is something basic...
[23:29] <kexoni-mob> I set like from the article, completely
[23:31] <tomreyn> kexoni-mob: you need to come up with your own values, though, based on the output seen on your log
[23:32] <tomreyn> i'll try to calculate this, but need to read up again, too, give me some minutes.
[23:32] <kexoni-mob> No tomreyn, I will check everything tomorrow, thanks
[23:33] <Bashing-om> Kaedenn: Maybe here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale/  ?
[23:34] <tomreyn> okay, kexoni-mob, talk to you then
[23:34] <tomreyn> (in case i'll be around)
[23:34] <kexoni-mob> Ok, great :)
[23:39] <erbth> Kaedenn: can't find the docs right now, but update-alternatives --config x-www-browser could help
[23:39] <Kaedenn> aha thank you
[23:39] <Kaedenn> yup, that alternative is set to Chrome
[23:40] <Kaedenn> hmm, clicking that link still opens Chrome
[23:40] <Kaedenn> though I'm using Pidgin, and I don't know if Pidgin has its own thing
[23:40] <erbth> i think it has
[23:41] <Kaedenn> aha, sensible-browser is what it's using
[23:42] <erbth> Kaedenn: btw. you can also run update-alternatives --get-selections to get all alternatives and their current selections
[23:42] <Kaedenn> okay, changing the setting to "Desktop Default" works
[23:42] <Kaedenn> erbth: yes, I'm familiar with how the alternatives work and update-alternatives, seeing how I've had to script it to update Java z_z
[23:43] <Kaedenn> `update-java-alternatives.py /path/to/jdk1.8.0_301 1301` will update every alternative pointing into $JAVA_HOME to that
[23:44] <Kaedenn> there's another execution mode that assumes $JAVA_HOME is the new jdk and you specify the old one with -j or something
[23:44] <Kaedenn> makes installing java trivial: tar xvfz, then run that, then update $JAVA_HOME in bashrc
[23:45] <Kaedenn> could publish this to my github if anyone wants it
[23:49] <MrCollinsGA> hmm cant install ansible on windows without running a VM. :/
[23:50] <K3WHO> #wunclub