[01:47] <JoeLlama> hiee! :)
[01:48] <JoeLlama> is the latest version of lubuntu 19.04?
[01:48] <lubot> [telegram] <lynorian> no 21.10
[01:49] <JoeLlama> hrm weird...
[01:49] <JoeLlama> I thought so
[01:49] <lubot> [telegram] <N0um3n0> You have the last versions in www.lubuntu.me
[01:49] <JoeLlama> I go to https://lubuntu.net/downloads/ and it seems to be wrong :(
[01:49] <JoeLlama> thanks N0un3n0
[01:49] <lubot> [telegram] <N0um3n0> The official page is lubuntu.me
[01:50] <JoeLlama> thanks (:
[01:50] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | JoeLlama 
[01:50] <ubottu> JoeLlama: Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[01:50] <tomreyn> this also applies to Lubuntu
[01:50] <kc2bez> It is in the topic here too if you need it later JoeLlama 
[01:51] <lubot> [telegram] <Rodrigo> Forwarded from kc2bez: Lubuntu Support | About: https://lubuntu.me | Docs: https://manual.lubuntu.me | Lubuntu 21.10 released! https://lubuntu.me/impish-released/ | Offtopic: #lubuntu-offtopic | Contribute: #lubuntu-devel | Español: #lubuntu-es | Mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-users | Telegram: https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support
[01:53] <JoeLlama> yup yup tomreyn
[01:53] <JoeLlama> I know (:
[01:53] <JoeLlama> kinda weird that one site huh?
[01:54] <JoeLlama> okay so I also have a 32 bit machine to set up also...
[01:54] <JoeLlama> is there 32 bit still?
[01:54] <JoeLlama> or wait... I should check it...
[01:55] <kc2bez> 32 bit is no more 
[01:55] <JoeLlama> eep
[01:55] <JoeLlama> but I understand
[01:55] <JoeLlama> I think these are single core 64 bit though...  I will check.. I have 7 of them I think
[01:56] <JoeLlama> they still work very well nice little 9 inch laptops
[01:57] <tomreyn> there are other distros, some of which still try to support 32-bit x86
[01:57] <tomreyn> but sooner or late they'll have to give up on it, too
[01:57] <JoeLlama> yeah I understand tomreyn :/
[01:58] <JoeLlama> these are dell inspiron mini 9 computers
[01:58] <JoeLlama> and I have a small pile of mini 10's too (:
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[02:02] <JoeLlama> ah intel atom N270 checking
[02:04] <JoeLlama> oh might be 32 bit :/
[02:04] <JoeLlama> nutz
[02:10] <JoeLlama> blah
[02:12] <JoeLlama> okay new question...  I have multiple platforms running 20.04... can I use this new iso to just upgrade?
[02:12] <JoeLlama> I only connect with linux online now...  no windows boxes touch that internet wire here.
[02:13]  * JoeLlama can no longer stomach windows
[02:15] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: if you want to more closely control how systems connect to the internet, a local apt proxy may be what you want.
[02:15] <tomreyn> the release upgrader usually requires an internet connection, though
[02:16] <JoeLlama> hrm?
[02:16] <JoeLlama> well how do I tell what version I am at?
[02:16] <JoeLlama> using terminal?
[02:16] <JoeLlama> I used to know
[02:16] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline}
[02:17] <JoeLlama> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[02:17] <JoeLlama> Ubuntu 5.11.0-43.47~20.04.2-generic 5.11.22
[02:17] <JoeLlama> so to get that to the latest version using the ISO how is that done?
[02:20] <tomreyn> what do you mean by "the latest version"? there are release upgrades, which would increase this version nubmer, and there are normal package updates within a reelease (security and bug fixes mostly)
[02:21] <tomreyn> i don't think you can do release upgrades from a cdrom, or not using the default / supported upgrade mechanism
[02:29] <JoeLlama> oh ok tomreyn so I just keep updating what I got and when I feel it's time I will just do a completely new installation to get to 20.04?
[02:29] <JoeLlama> oops
[02:29] <JoeLlama> 21.04
[02:29] <JoeLlama> or what ever version it's at...
[02:30] <JoeLlama> I really like lubuntu I don't like bloated OSes
[02:30] <JoeLlama> I like simple and fast... I just wanna get the job done it doesn't have to have a fancy gui
[02:30] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: 20.04 is an LTS release https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[02:30] <JoeLlama> right LTS
[02:30] <tomreyn> 21.04 is soon EOL
[02:30] <JoeLlama> but to get to 21.04 I gotta do a new install right?
[02:31] <JoeLlama> there is no simple just upgrading in place from 20.04 to 21.04 right?
[02:31] <tomreyn> i'm not sure about the upgrade paths, i don't remember when the LXDE->LXQT switch was, i thinkt here is no upgrade path there
[02:32] <JoeLlama> gotcha :) thanks!
[02:32] <tomreyn> i assume there *may* be one from 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS
[02:32] <JoeLlama> oh um...  ok
[02:32] <JoeLlama> well I am downloading 21.10 now
[02:32] <JoeLlama> oh wait... is 21.10 LTS?
[02:33] <JoeLlama> wait... what should I install?
[02:33] <JoeLlama> for LTS?
[02:33] <JoeLlama> ok ok wait I am getting it... for LTS I should not be installing 21.10 right?
[02:34] <tomreyn> !LTS
[02:34] <ubottu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Focal (Focal Fossa 20.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information.
[02:34] <tomreyn> for lubuntu, LTS support spans are shorter, 3 years, i think
[02:34] <JoeLlama> ah gotcha cancelling download thanks
[02:35] <tomreyn> next LTS is 22.04
[02:35] <JoeLlama> I get it
[02:36] <JoeLlama> so I should download 20.04.3 for now right? that is the latest LTS...
[02:37]  * JoeLlama downloads 20.04.3
[02:38] <tomreyn> what you should or should not do is really very much up to you ;-)
[02:38] <tomreyn> as long as you don't cross any laws, i guess
[02:39] <JoeLlama> hehehe well if I want lubuntu with LTS then it should be the 20.04..3 straight answers work best for me (:
[02:39] <tomreyn> and precise questions best work for me
[02:39] <JoeLlama> hee 
[02:39] <JoeLlama> well that is what I am doing then
[02:39] <JoeLlama> since there is no later LTS version
[02:40] <tomreyn> yes, if you want the current / latest LTS release now, that's 20.04
[02:40] <JoeLlama> now that is a good answer
[02:54] <guiverc> JoeLlama, both Lubuntu 21.10 & 20.04.3 will upgrade to 22.04; there are expected fewer changes if you upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04 as they're far closer; but installing 21.10 will mandate the upgrade to 22.04 within 3 months of 22.04 coming out...   Lubuntu 20.04 LTS will mean older software, a far bigger change come upgrade time (potentially more that can go wrong) but you've more time to upgrade (1 year instead of just 3 months).  6 vs. 
[02:54] <guiverc> half-dozen; no clear winner.
[02:59] <JoeLlama> oh thanks guiverc so it will upgrade in place but there of course are opportunities for errors...  so if I want less errors it's better to just reinstall, right?
[03:00] <JoeLlama> I prefer reinstalling anyways... it's just a pain though.
[03:02] <guiverc> pros & cons with everything..  do whatever works for you..  (i often re-install without format on some non-primary boxes inc. during QA-testing for focal/20.04 as 20.04.4 is a current daily)
[03:02] <JoeLlama> current daily?
[03:04] <guiverc> development releases have daily (really means interval; most of the time it's once per day but can be multiple)  ISOs spun... I've zsync'd 2x jammy dailies (ubuntu + lubuntu) so far today for QA-testing..
[03:04] <JoeLlama> heh ok if you say so :)
[03:04] <guiverc> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ will allow you to see current QA (Quality Assurance) dailies; focal (20.04.4 is the next release) & jammy (22.04)
[03:05] <JoeLlama> oh ok I look
[03:06] <JoeLlama> if you know of a way I can get lubuntu to work with NVidia GeForce 8600M please let me know...  not sure if NVidia released a new driver update yet or if they ever will.
[03:06] <JoeLlama> I have like 20 systems with that graphics chipset on them.
[03:06] <JoeLlama> would like to put lubuntu on them
[03:06] <JoeLlama> or at least some
[03:07] <guiverc> the base of Lubuntu is a Ubuntu one, so whatever works in Ubuntu should be identical in all flavors of Ubuntu (like Lubuntu)
[03:07] <JoeLlama> yup
[03:07] <JoeLlama> what is jammy?
[03:07] <JoeLlama> oic that is the next one
[03:08] <guiverc> releases use the codename until they reach RC (release candidate), ie. focal was 20.04, yep jammy will become 22.04 just prior to it's release
[03:08] <JoeLlama> nice
[03:08] <JoeLlama> that happens in april?
[03:09] <guiverc> yep. ETA is 21-April-2022  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[03:09] <JoeLlama> cool
[04:02] <JoeLlama> oOo a GreenLlama :)
[12:30] <dragon_> hi
[12:30] <dragon_> what pdf editors are there for lubuntu? storing, convering and editing pdf
[12:31] <dragon_> I thought libre could do that, but I can`t find any pdf storage functions
[12:40] <dragon_> oh, export as 
[12:40] <dragon_> :- |
[13:46] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> why do games run perfectly through wine on Lubuntu than Linux mint?
[13:51] <JoeLlama> I dunno but I am using wine right now
[13:51] <JoeLlama> I suspect lubuntu has far less processing overhead but I honestly don't know
[13:52] <JoeLlama> I run my IRC client under wine and it runs with very few issues
[13:52] <JoeLlama> however, the edge at the bottom of the screen is cut off :(
[13:52] <JoeLlama> makes it a little hard to see when I am typing down there
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[16:03] <sem> yo
[16:04] <sem> it's easier to grab the corner and adjust the size of the hexchat window, but harder to grab the corner exactly on firefox. Why might this be?
[16:04] <sem> Could it be possible to make all windows easier to grab?
[16:04] <sem> actually hexchat is not much easier
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[19:33] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> help
[19:34] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> i was trying to boot windows XP iso with virtual box on Lubuntu and the iso file doesn't get detected by the guest
[19:36] <tomreyn> @motorolae7: that would be a virtualbox issue, or, maybe more likely, you're using it wrong. or the iso you have is broken.
[19:37] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> i downloaded it from GetMyOS
[19:37] <tomreyn> what's the error message, did you load the iso into the virtual cdrom drive?
[19:38] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/78bb7281/file_3720.jpg
[19:38] <tomreyn> do you have the direct download link, still?
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[19:39] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> it was from Google drive
[19:40] <lubot> [telegram] <kc2bez> This isn't a Lubuntu support issue, please move it to an off-topic channel.
[19:40] <lubot> [telegram] <motorolae7> ok
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