[00:31] <erbth> hi everyone, i have an old ubuntu precise (12.04) installation (i know it should be upgraded/replaced), which does now show that updates are available
[00:31] <erbth> the last time i checked for updates was on 2020-11-30
[00:32] <erbth> for most updates i found USNs (like for the sudo package or linux-image-server) that mention updates even for this outdated release
[00:32] <erbth> (the machine has no ESM subscription, but that should not matter for ubuntu precise anymore)
[00:33] <erbth> i appreciate the maintainer's work
[00:33] <erbth> but for e.g. apache2, i only found this dsa: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-3937-2
[00:34] <erbth> stating that version 2.2.22-1ubuntu1.15 of the apache2 package was available through a ESM subscription
[00:35] <erbth> why can this update be installed in my ubuntu precise installation as of now?
[00:35] <erbth> i'm just asking to not accidentally install something wrong (e.g. from a different version) and messing up that installation...
[00:39] <erbth> i guess the general question would be: what happens to with the subscriber-only updates when an ubuntu version leaves ESM support? Are some of them uploaded to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/?
[01:21] <sbeattie> erbth: yes, when precise went out of ESM status, we incorporated all of the ESM updates into precise-security before moving them to old-releases.ubuntu.com.
[01:33] <erbth> sbeattie: that is a nice service from you!
[01:33] <erbth> and thank you very much for your response.
[13:18] <KBar> Hello. Is gufw sufficient for ordinary home users?
[13:31] <tomreyn> If you'll take a non security team member response to this: Having no host firewall at all *can* be sufficient for ordinary home users, and gufw can improve security, or worsen it (by giving a false sense of it, such as when ip forwarding configurations are used).
[13:58] <KBar> tomreyn, well, you're certainly many times smarter/experienced than me, so I'd take your response as a positive. thanks
[14:00] <tomreyn> i doubt the "smarter" part there. ;)
[17:57] <JanC> gufw isn't a particularly good GUI really
[17:58] <JanC> unless it got changed a lot since I last looked at it  :)
[17:58] <JanC> which is a long time ago, I guess
[18:02] <JanC> seems like it improved, but still...
[18:36] <teward> to be fair a simple home firewall solution is just `sudo ufw enable`
[18:36] <teward> which is what gufw's on button does
[18:37] <teward> but gufw has a long way to go as its ui is still a meh gui for ufw