[01:33] <bob> when i open a terminal window on my pc i always shrink the text size by two or three presses of "Ctrl+-", what should i google to find what i need to change the window to open at my desired zoom level
[01:38] <tomreyn> bob: is only the text in the terminal too large, or is that elsewhere, too?
[01:40] <bob> only in the terminal-found page directing me to alter the 'exec" field in the user/share/applications-sound advice?
[01:40] <bob> but to be truthful once i have figured out this one id like to move on to the same with my firefox sessions
[01:41] <tomreyn> if it's just in the (gnome) terminal, you go edit -> preferences -> profiles -> (the one which is ticked)-> text (tab) -> text appearance (section), click the "custom font" tickbox, set text size to 2 points less or so.
[01:42] <bob> thank you very much, if you were to do this without a gui what files would you be wanting to edit
[01:43] <tomreyn> doh, no idea :) probably not files but using gsettings
[01:43] <bob> eg strictly with gnome terminal and nano/vim/gedit
[01:44] <bob> all gud thanks for your help +)
[01:44] <bob> =)
[01:44] <tomreyn> gnome unfortunately isn't meant to be used by editing text files - i guess you still can, but you're not supposed to
[01:45] <bob> not trying to be difficult but am genuinely curious-why is that
[01:46] <bob> is it because gnome/ubuntu is aimed at being not so technical and to be easy to use n intuitive ?
[01:47] <ProfessorChunk> Ugh I hate samba
[01:47] <tomreyn> i really do not know the answer why the gnome folks decided a 'registry' would serve things better than just classic flat configuration files which seem to work well for everything else
[01:50] <bob> this is really interesting and i didn't know gnome had a registry (like windows no?)
[01:50] <bob> actively googleing but if you know what to search so i can learn more about this please oblige
[01:51] <bob> specifically when implemented and one vs the other
[01:51] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dconf
[01:53] <bob> =) nice got a few pages to read now ty
[01:53] <ProfessorChunk> So I setup a samba share on my lil ubuntu server on a pi. I have read only = no and even writable = yes but windows wants to make everything I create read only. I am not sure its on the windows side yet though
[01:54] <ProfessorChunk> drwxr-xr-x  7 ubuntu ubuntu 4096 Dec 29 22:29  ..
[01:54] <ProfessorChunk> drwxr-xr-x  2 ubuntu ubuntu 4096 Dec 29 23:08 'Kotlin Course'
[01:54] <ProfessorChunk> Thats what the shares dir and its sub folder look like permission wise on the linux side
[02:26] <ProfessorChunk> Can anyone look at my entrey at the bottom of this smb.cfg and tell me why I keep getting read-only directories and files when connecting to the share from windows?
[02:26] <ProfessorChunk> http://sprunge.us/nnObPI
[02:27] <ProfessorChunk> I created a specific user with adduser --system shareuser shareuser
[02:33] <blahboybaz> Is there any easy way to blur a part of an mkv video?
[02:33] <blahboybaz> Something foss perhaps?
[02:39] <bob> CINELERRA
[02:43] <bob> blahboybaz, https://itsfoss.com/best-video-editing-software-linux/
[03:21] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is there a command to turn ubuntu off in 4 hours time?
[03:26] <ProfessorChunk> Anyone good with samba stuff, I have this share setup correctly for read write and execute but its still in RDONLY according to smbstatus
[03:27] <yukiup> sleep 14400 && shutdown now
[03:27] <yukiup> something like that
[03:27] <ProfessorChunk> smb.conf http://sprunge.us/H1nsID
[03:28] <gneeriiloeepdeer> sleep 4h && systemctl poweroff <?
[03:28] <gneeriiloeepdeer> yukiup,
[03:28] <gneeriiloeepdeer> 4h = 14400 seconds?
[03:30] <tomreyn> $ echo $[ 4 * 60 * 60 ]
[03:30] <tomreyn> 14400
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> !samba | ProfessorChunk see also
[03:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> life would be much easier if everybody spoke English
[03:32] <ProfessorChunk> lotuspsychje: How is that helpful? I know what samba is..
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> ProfessorChunk: did you read the link properly, maybe it can widen your options?
[03:34] <yukiup> ProfessorChunk could always use ssh to transfer files
[03:36] <ProfessorChunk> Lol no
[03:37] <ProfessorChunk> I need a network drive I am using this as a NAS so I can access the same project from multiple devices on my home LAN
[03:37] <ProfessorChunk> Should be simple
[03:38] <ProfessorChunk> I have the share mounted in Windows but its read only even though my config has it clearly set not to be
[04:28] <gholarom> is there a method to create offline installer for apps in my current system, to use on freshly installed ubuntu from same liveusb, on an identical hardware?
[04:31] <yukiup> you could backup the entire disk...
[04:32] <Bashing-om> gholarom: While not offline. you might find "debfoster" interesting. - apt show debfoster -
[04:37] <gholarom> i will read more on debfoster. i cant really understand it from skimming :P
[04:38] <gholarom> i dont really like backup entire disk. because i may need to use different size hdd or partition
[04:40] <gholarom> basically, i was looking for windows equivalent of install os, update using offline exe then install apps using offline exe. something along that line
[04:48] <Bashing-om> gholarom: Consider them "apt-offline" .
[04:48] <Bashing-om> then*
[04:49] <leaftype> gholarom: I wonder if this works: https://askubuntu.com/questions/30482/is-there-an-apt-command-to-download-a-deb-file-from-the-repositories-to-the-curr
[04:51] <leaftype> gholarom: yup. Just tried it out. YOu can download individual .deb files with apt just as you would if you were installing them. Instead of "apt install blah blah", you would type "apt download blah blah"
[04:57] <gholarom> i will check on both options to see if it suit my needs. thanks guys :)
[04:58] <gholarom> do you know if any of these method can be used to update kernel. like 5.4.1 to 5.4.6 for example
[04:59] <leaftype> downloading a .deb file instead of an app will not update your kernal
[05:01] <leaftype> gholarom: what the other person said - apt-offline, looks like the better option here
[05:01] <leaftype> gholarom: https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-or-update-ubuntu-offline-without-internet/
[05:02] <gholarom> yes. it seems like it. i will try that
[05:32] <jehlow> Please help me re openvpn service cant be seen by systemd i think https://pastebin.com/1KmRyzNm
[05:41] <mjt> jehlow: i don't think that's the right way to use openvpn with systemd, you should copy the service file into /etc/openvpn and then use sudo systemctl enable openvpn@servicenamehere
[05:41] <mjt> i recommend starting from scratch and following one of many guides on the net
[05:42] <mjt> servicenamehere is the name of the client config (without .ovpn)
[05:43] <mjt> but I haven't used openvpn in a long time, you should use wireguard instead, it is a billion times easier including the systemd integration.
[05:46] <mjt> I've  realised I've been really unclear above - you need to copy the *openvpn* config file into /etc/openvpn and then use sudo systemctl enable openvpn@openvpnconfigfilename. You might get more help on the openvpn support channel #openvpn
[05:48] <jehlow> so i would do something like cp ~/Downloads/config ipvanish-US-Atlanta-atl-a46.ovpn /etc/openvpn/openvpn.conf and then run sudo systemctrl enable openvpn@openvpn in my case?
[05:49] <jehlow> i think it clear and that i have understood correctly could you confirm please
[05:49] <jehlow> and thanks for all so far
[05:57] <mjt> no - i think you would do cp blah /etc/openvpn/ipvanish.conf then sudo systemctl enable openvpn@ipvanish
[05:59] <jehlow> thanks il reboot again and find out
[06:02] <jehlow> still showing active (exited) =(
[06:08] <jehlow> my .ovpn has been renamed to a .conf as follows "cp blah /etc/openvpn/openvpn.conf" so should i use "sudo systemctrl enable openvpn@ipvanish-US-Atlanta-atl-b25" or "sudo systemctrl enable openvpn@ipvanish"
[06:09] <mjt> jehlow: are you running sudo systemctl status openvpn@ipvanish to check the status?
[06:10] <mjt> you can't just use 'status openvpn' because the openvpn systemd service is configured so as to enable you to configure multiple systemd services for different openvpn connections
[06:10]  * jehlow rolls on the floor with laughter "i love you man" 
[06:13] <mjt> jehlow: i gather it's working?
[06:14] <mjt> if it's not, then I suggest trying to configure wireguard instead ... which your vpn provider appears to support. it is much easier. also, it has an integrated killswitch so if the vpn connection drops you don't leak traffic.
[06:14] <jehlow> no but im glad the error was explained and i know nowthat said i got this so im still in a place where i think it not working
[06:14] <jehlow> https://pastebin.com/Fj66xPiW
[06:14] <jehlow> ty
[06:15] <mjt> and your config file is in /etc/openvpn/ipvanish.conf?
[06:15] <jehlow> yes
[06:16] <jehlow> might try again from a live boot
[06:16] <jehlow> see if anything changes when i start from scratch
[06:17] <jehlow> my config file is call openvpn.conf and was made from ipvanish .ovpn file placed into that location /etc/openvpn/openvpn.conf
[06:18] <jehlow> typo call called/named
[06:18] <mjt> i think you need to check the openvpn log to see why its failing
[06:18] <mjt> but you're further than before
[06:19] <mjt> maybe try sudo journalctl -xe
[06:19] <mjt> or tail -20 /var/log/openvpn.log
[06:23] <jehlow> https://pastebin.com/YfzL1zWG
[06:25] <jehlow> lots of mentions of Dec 30 14:24:40 bettypc systemd[1]: openvpn@ipvanish.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'
[06:27] <jehlow> do you think its because my .conf file isnt named ipvanish.conf(its called openvpn.conf)
[06:27] <jehlow> its where it should be in /etc/openvpn
[06:28] <mjt> it needs to be called ipvanish.conf - it doesn't really matter what you call it, but you must have the same name for the systemd service you enable.
[06:28] <mjt> you have run systemctl enable openvpn@ipvanish, so it follows that the config file must be called ipvanish.conf.
[06:29] <mjt> if you called it openvpn.conf, you'd need to run systemctl enable openvpn@openvpn which starts to get confusing
[06:29] <jehlow> feeling a bit stupid, i do appreciate your explainations
[06:29] <mjt> you also don't need to reboot yet, just check you can start the connection with sudo service openvpn@ipvanish start then check sudo systemctl status openvpn@ipvanish
[06:30] <mjt> if it comes up, you can check if start-on-boot is working as expected
[06:33] <mjt> there's no need to feel stupid, it's not trivial stuff. but it is a lot easier than the old days of init scripts. : )
[06:37] <betty_> i think its sorted man, thats correct right?
[06:37] <betty_> https://pastebin.com/v24aKtCN
[06:38] <betty_> simmering with anticipation here but im feeling like you sir are a bloody legend!
[06:41] <mjt> i'd be more interested to see the status output of openvpn@ipvanish
[06:50] <svm_invictvs> Why would a network interface be disabled?
[06:51] <svm_invictvs> I didn't change anything
[06:53] <svm_invictvs> Well I had a power loss. Some problem happened with the root fs. I had to reboot using force fsck
[06:53] <svm_invictvs> Now the damned box's network is disabled.
[06:54] <betty_> mjt, https://pastebin.com/v24aKtCN
[06:54] <betty_> sorry zoned out reading about systmd
[06:57] <svm_invictvs> OH god damn
[06:57] <betty_> will repaste in a min
[06:58] <betty_> https://pastebin.com/BsLPY7wn
[06:59] <mjt> looks like its working to me
[06:59] <betty_> svm_invictvs, in my experience as much information pasted to share helps see whats going on to get an answer and be patient or provide more information
[06:59] <svm_invictvs> betty_, I figured it out.
[07:00] <betty_> love your work mjt svm_invictvs please share it with us all
[07:00] <mjt> just be aware that if the connection falls over you will probably leak your ip address
[07:01] <svm_invictvs> betty_, tldr is that I'm running it in a vm. Something I did changed the name of the virtual network interface. /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml had the wrong interface name.
[07:01] <betty_> glad its working for you and thanks for sharing
[07:02] <betty_> mjt can you suggest a way to monitor the connection live
[07:02] <mjt> no i can't, it's one of many reasons I switched to wireguard. is there a reason you're tied to openvpn?
[07:03] <betty_> its all i know and from what i read it is long track record of working with lots of support but i will have a read about wireguard and ipvanish
[07:03] <betty_> thanks so much for all your guidance and help
[07:04] <betty_> and especially explaining the nuances
[07:04] <mjt> no problem
[07:05] <betty_> im on ipvanish's page and it lists no support for linux and wireguard what did you google to learn mjt
[07:06] <mjt> Never mind, I found a page that says "The WireGuard protocol is only available for use in our VPN app". Nonsense.
[07:07] <tanghua>  .
[07:15] <betty_> so an option is run my own ubuntu server install wireguard configure connect(read read read lol) save a da money
[07:16] <betty_> do you run your own vpn or use a service; is setup keeping in mind security difficult of both server and wire guard-or just a matter of keep it updated and basic housekeeping on the server side (the vpn machine)
[07:19] <ryuuta> hello
[07:19] <ryuuta> I want sleep
[07:19] <ryuuta> sorry
[07:25] <mjt> betty_: there are many vpn providers who offer wireguard capability. As a matter of fact I do run my own wireguard vpn server, but I don't use it for anonymity purposes.
[07:26] <mjt> it's a lot easier to set up a wireguard server on ubuntu than setting up an openvpn server, that's for sure.
[07:27] <betty_> i just want a little more security not anonymity i assume that is not really possible-fair assumption?
[07:28] <betty_> my understanding is that anonymity isnt really a thing-more of a fantasy
[07:29] <betty_> that said things like vpn can add layers of security to my online habbits
[07:29] <betty_> no cleartext a tunnel and diff ip address
[07:30] <betty_> i know you know about this kinda stuff from helping me so your thoughts are appreciated and being corrected where i am wrong
[07:33] <mjt> i think the jury's out on the extent vpn providers protect your privacy/security - they do if you have a good provider.
[07:33] <tanghua> 大家好
[07:34] <tanghua> ？？？
[07:36] <octav1a> yes
[08:13] <Forza> Hi. How do I fix a broken sources.list?
[08:13] <EriC^^> Forza: pastebin the file
[08:13] <EriC^^> !paste
[08:14] <Forza> I want to upgrade from 20.10 to 21.94 lts and do-release-upgrade complains about no valid sources.list entry found
[08:15] <EriC^^> Forza: type 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:17] <Forza> https://dpaste.com/C4TPQQ7PR
[08:17] <ravage> that file is for Ubuntu 20.04
[08:18] <Forza> :) how can I download a new one?
[08:18] <ravage> i would wait until Ubuntu 22.04 comes out and upgrade to that
[08:18] <Forza> Lsb_release -d : Description:    Ubuntu 20.10
[08:18] <ravage> ooookay
[08:19] <ravage> that really should not happen
[08:19] <Forza> Interesting. When is 22.04 out?
[08:19] <ravage> 22 <- year, 04 <- month
[08:19] <Forza> Is there a place to download the correct sources.list?
[08:19] <ravage> are you sure you are on 20.10 ?
[08:20] <Forza> :D ah. I do not want to wait 4 months. I have a windows of opportunity to fix things today :)
[08:20] <EriC^^> Forza: you could run "sudo sed -i 's/focal/groovy/' /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:21] <ducasse> Forza: has that box been upgraded since 15.10?
[08:21] <EriC^^> what does 'cat /etc/issue' give?
[08:21] <Forza> ducasse: probably. It is many years old
[08:21] <ducasse> i would consider a fresh install soon, tbh
[08:21] <Forza> EriC^^: Ubuntu 20.10 \n \l
[08:22] <ravage> from 20.10 you will have to do more than one update
[08:22] <EriC^^> Forza: ok run that command, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:22] <Forza> ducasse: yea but it is a printer server used in prod so I prefer to "fix" it back to lts level instead of a new install
[08:22] <Forza> EriC^^: didn't work. https://dpaste.com/EPSBAT5L8
[08:23] <Forza> I suppose I can install a 20.10 server and copy the sources.list?
[08:24] <ravage> for a print server i would install 20.04 and update next year
[08:24] <ravage> i does not make sense to use a non LTS release as a print server
[08:25] <ravage> and you your sources file does not work because 20.10 is already EOL
[08:26] <ravage> you have to make another change to that
[08:26] <Forza> Ah. OK makes some sense.
[08:26] <ravage> i would really recommend to copy your config files for the print server and install a fresh version of 20.04
[08:26] <Forza> Yes. You are right. :)
[08:27] <Forza> OK I'll do that and try to copy the cups config over
[08:27] <ravage> maybe just do a full backup first
[08:27] <ravage> or put a fresh HDD in
[08:27] <ravage> dont know if you have access to hardware
[08:28] <Forza> I do have backups. It's all virtualised too so easy to test out on snapshots, like I did now.
[08:28] <ravage> thats great :)
[08:28] <ravage> stay on the LTS path :D
[08:28] <Forza> Question. Should I use the cloudimage release or a plain server release
[08:29] <Forza> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/server/focal/current/
[08:29] <ravage> i never really learned to love cloud init so i always use the server installer
[08:30] <ravage> actually i dont even use that. use the mini.iso for 20.04 :D
[08:30] <ravage> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[08:30] <ravage> i really like this one. works great :)
[08:34] <ducasse> Forza: use the server image, you should be able tomore or less copy the cups config straight across
[08:36] <Forza> Thanks for all the help. I'll let you know how it's going
[08:44] <nuxer> Hi there! I just got a brand new local server-workstation built and installed Ubuntu on it. I'm planning to set it up so that it'd have NAS-type local file sharing features in it. Is the ZFS file system currently recommended to be used if you want to be sure your data is safe, since at least the Ubuntu installer stated it's still an experimental
[08:44] <nuxer> feature ... ?
[08:47] <nuxer> I've read quite a bit on the ext4fs and ZFS error/fault tolerances, possible caveats and whatnot (from what I've read, ext4 would have possible data rot issues in it whereas ZFS is said to be more "resilient" or whatever against that), but all talk on the subject seems to dissolve into opinionated back and forths ...
[08:51] <Forza> nuxer: yes. ZFS and Btrfs has data checksums that they verify all reads against. If you use raid1 or higher they will self-heal from bitrot and similar errors. Just note that they require a little more maintenance            compared to ext4
[08:54] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello. My laptop runs Ubuntu 20.04 (w/o Windows) and it terribly overheats when the lid is closed. I've tried to set suspend=True from gnome-tweaks. yet this happens, what could be the fix? Why is suspend unable to terminate all the application?
[08:57] <KBar> ApostleInTriumph: so, does it actually suspend or not?
[09:11] <Forza> Oh how annoying, ubuntu server installer did not create a default subvolume for btrfs =(. Is it possible to create a custom layout and mount points?
[09:15] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello. My laptop runs Ubuntu 20.04 (w/o Windows) and it terribly overheats when the lid is closed. I've tried to set suspend=True from gnome-tweaks. yet this happens, what could be the fix? Why is suspend unable to terminate all the application?
[09:28] <EriC^^> ApostleInTriumph: to suspend then look at /var/log/syslog to see the log
[09:29] <ApostleInTriumph> EriC^^ https://dpaste.com/3NMZLANUN
[09:31] <EriC^^> ApostleInTriumph: i'd try to use the acpi_osi stuff in grub, 1 sec
[09:32] <EriC^^> ApostleInTriumph: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows '
[09:32] <EriC^^> get the latest windows in the list, then type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub'
[09:33] <EriC^^> then modify the line so its GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 20XX\""    replacing XX with your latest windows in the list
[09:34] <EriC^^> save then run 'sudo update-grub' and give restart the pc
[09:35] <ApostleInTriumph> EriC^^ I see Windows versions, but what are they supposed to mean?
[09:36] <ApostleInTriumph> My laptop just has Ubuntu w/o windows
[09:36] <ApostleInTriumph> (single boot)
[09:36] <EriC^^> yeah it relates to acpi, just take the newest one on the list, and use it in grub
[09:36] <EriC^^> it's so ubuntu pretends to be windows to the bios iirc, so acpi works better
[09:38] <ApostleInTriumph> EriC^^ should I change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT ?
[09:40] <ApostleInTriumph> EriC^^ I get this error when trying to update the grub `usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 35: /etc/default/grub: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution`
[09:40] <EriC^^> nah not needed
[09:40] <EriC^^> ApostleInTriumph: type 'cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[09:40] <ApostleInTriumph> https://termbin.com/gif7
[09:42] <EriC^^> ApostleInTriumph: add a "  at the end of the line
[09:42] <EriC^^> so its \""
[09:43] <ApostleInTriumph> EriC^^ thanks!
[09:43] <EriC^^> no problem
[09:47] <clarkk> I have 8GB of the following messages in my syslog   gnome-shell[16104]: [16149:16161:1230/073537.385640:ERROR:socket_posix.cc(96)] CreatePlatformSocket() failed: Address family not supported by protocol (97)
[09:47] <clarkk> Does anyone know how I can resolve it, please?
[10:06] <EriC^^_> ApostleInTriumph sorry i got disconnected
[10:07] <ApostleInTriumph> EriC^^_ no worries, I'm still waiting forsomething to finish before the restart
[10:07] <ApostleInTriumph> thanks for checking back
[10:07] <EriC^^_> alright
[10:32] <barnaba[m]> Hello, I'm having ram issues again. 25871 used, 32048 total and that's after earlyoom came and killed ferdi, baobab that has been working for the entire night and heroic games launcher. I'm pretty bummed, cause other than said apps I pretty much only have rtorrent, firefox, dropbox, hexchat and some fish terminals running. How do I figure out where did mem go?
[10:33] <barnaba[m]> here's my processes using system monitor: https://imgur.com/a/IeW7RA3
[10:33] <barnaba[m]> it doesn't look like it'd add up to 25 GB to me
[10:35] <barnaba[m]> https://www.linuxatemyram.com/ either this is not the case, or my early-oom setting cause oom to act before linux decides to actually free up the cache?
[10:37] <barnaba[m]> the only configuration I seem to have for earlyoom seems to be 'EARLYOOM_ARGS="-r 3600"' and the only reason I even have earlyoom installed is because I've been getting visits from OOM killer before
[10:37] <barnaba[m]> So I don't think that's that
[10:46] <weedmic> barnaba[m]: am i correct the memory issues is only in an app?  outisde of that one app, other apps have their ram correctly managed by ubuntu?  if so, i don't c how this can be related to ubuntu.
[10:47] <barnaba[m]> weedmic: at this point I don't understand what is hogging all my memory. I've found this question: https://serverfault.com/questions/670423/linux-memory-usage-higher-than-sum-of-processes seems like the guy knows a lot more than me. Running his commands (rn I don't really know what they do) seems like most of my memory is used as 'kernel dynamic memory', so I'm researching that.
[10:48] <barnaba[m]> https://pastebin.com/v0prgjP4 here's my outputs anyway
[10:49] <barnaba[m]> if it was a program I was running I'd expect it to be in userspace memory, correct?
[10:50] <barnaba[m]> so it seems the kernel is using 18.6 GB of ram for noncache purposes, which seems like a lot
[10:51] <barnaba[m]> but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm reading this wrong
[10:55] <barnaba[m]> Last time I did this killing all the userspace apps I know of (this is a bit problematic cause no IRC and no googling for answers obviously) only freed a few gigs,
[10:55] <barnaba[m]> (and that killing also included restarting the Xorg and gdm)
[11:02] <ramblebamble> barnaba[m] , top, htop etc. should provide you with the application hogging the most memory, you can sort that list, so does ps
[11:06] <barnaba[m]> ramblebamble: I don't think it's processes eating that memory though, summing rss output from ps I get only 16 GB, so there's at least 10 GB missing https://rentry.co/rnft7/raw ?
[11:08] <ogra_> barnaba[m], use htop ... then sort by "RES" ...
[11:13] <barnaba[m]> ogra_: yes this shows the highest mem users (obviously firefox). But even when I kill every gui app and leave only the small demons running (entire invidious docker container uses less than 100 MB) I still get only 12/32 GB ram available, so for the third time, I doubt that's processes
[11:13]  * barnaba[m] uploaded an image: (266KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nKKmmhqajsFBuyPOwDbMTiAD/image.png >
[11:13] <barnaba[m]> ^here's a screenshots from when I killed everything again just to check
[11:14] <barnaba[m]> and sure I can kill invidious to free up 168 MBs of ram and go kill the next app too, but that doesn't help at all, cause most of my ram is still gone, and I have no useful apps running
[11:16] <barnaba[m]> please read more than just the last diagnostic when replying cause I feel like we're getting nowhere. I think the 'kernel dynamic memory' using 21.8 G is the real issue here, not some programs I might be running
[11:17] <ogra_> barnaba[m], first of all go into htop settings and turn off "display userland threads" to make the htop screen actually readable ... second i dont see where "most of your ram" is occupied ... yu seem to be running a desktop session and docker ... together they appear to be eating 8G of your 32G
[11:18] <barnaba[m]> ogra_: "together they appear to be eating 8G of your 32G" - yet free only shows 12 GB available out of 32 GB total, and my understanding is that available already includes the possibility of freeing up some caches
[11:19] <ogra_> free shows all cahed data etc
[11:19] <ogra_> (and buffers)
[11:20] <barnaba[m]> linuxatemyram.com says that available column already includes that
[11:20] <barnaba[m]> "To see how much ram your applications could use without swapping, run free -m and look at the "available" column"
[11:20] <ogra_> free is really not the tool to show you physically used ram without extra math ...
[11:20] <ogra_> htop does show this
[11:23] <ramblebamble> barnaba[m] https://linux-mm.org/Drop_Caches
[11:24] <ramblebamble> the TL;DR version of that link is try echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches and check again
 "free is really not the tool to..." <- Ok, I think you're correct. Managed to make a 15G ramdisk and fill it with /dev/zero despite free showing only 10G available.
[11:28] <barnaba[m]> well then, in the current state of the system there's nothing more to debug I think. I'll try doing some htop next time OOM killer comes.
[11:29] <clarkk> I may have missed some messages, as I got disconnected
[11:29] <clarkk> On Ubuntu 20.04, I have 8GB of the following messages in my syslog   gnome-shell[16104]: [16149:16161:1230/073537.385640:ERROR:socket_posix.cc(96)] CreatePlatformSocket() failed: Address family not supported by protocol (97)
[11:29] <clarkk> Does anyone know how I can resolve it, please?
[11:33] <barnaba[m]> Heh, I've had simmilar (likely the exact same) message from chrome or chromium and couldn't resolve it, ended up switching to not use it :|
[11:39] <clarkk> barnaba[m], yeah, I assumed it was chrome. I don't really want to switch, tbh
[11:40] <clarkk> barnaba[m], can you remember if you've ever tried to disable ipv6 on your system? I've read that it may be caused by that, but I reenabled ipv6, but it didn't resolve it
[11:41] <barnaba[m]> I ended up switching because of how difficult this was to debug. It'd only occur once per few weeks or so, so it was very hard to remember what I did and what ended up working. Sorry
[11:42] <clarkk> barnaba[m], no worries, and thanks. Hopefully someone else will have some ideas
[11:43] <clarkk> A second question I have - how do I make user applications (discord, vlc, obs, etc) by default log to a file other than syslog, so I don't have to explicitly create a filter for each app?
[11:55] <nedbat> i maintain a Python package, and have had reports about how it behaves on a FIPS-enabled system. I'm trying to get access to such a system for experimentation. Can I run a docker image of Ubuntu with FIPS?
[12:18] <ravage> nedbat: https://www.ubuntu-server.com/ubuntu/how-to-develop-linux-applications-for-fips-on-ubuntu/
[12:19] <nedbat> ravage: thanks.  will that work in a Docker container on my Mac?
[12:19] <ravage> i dont think so. you need a VM
[12:20] <ravage> but just try it
[12:21] <ravage> i dont own any apple products so im the wrong person to ask
[12:24] <nedbat> ravage: ok, thanks
[12:32] <Guest83> Hi there
[12:34] <Guest83> I have a a slow windows machine with 4gb of ram and i3 cpu and i want to instyall the light lubuntu alongside windows
[12:35] <void09> Help. Just installd lubuntu 22.04 to do some testing. I installed the latest kernel with 'mainline' using this ppa :$ sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:cappelikan/ppa
[12:35] <Guest83> i am about to download the "  lubuntu-16.04.6-desktop-i386.iso " is it good idea to install ubuntu 32bit in a 64bit machine ?? PLEASE HELP!!
[12:35] <ravage> Guest83 : Lubuntu is not really light anymore. Try xububru
[12:36] <ravage> xubuntu
[12:36] <void09> now I am missing kernel headers.. any idea how to get them ? Or if the kernel update I did was the proper way ?
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> !next | void09
[12:37] <void09> I am really pulling my hairs here and would go back to arch linux, but this script i wanna test only works on ubuntu LTS sigh
[12:37] <void09> no no, I have Ubuntu 20.04
[12:38] <Guest83> ravage; ok what about installing 32bit in a 64bit machine is it gonna be problematic
[12:38] <void09> I just wanted to put the latest kernel on it
[12:39] <ravage> Guest83: that's not a problem
[12:42] <void09> So. how to install kernel hearders for 5.15 please ?
[12:42] <Guest83> ravage : i had good experience with Desktop image for 32-bit PC (i386) computers (standard download)
[12:42] <Guest83> in the same machine before also i am familiar with how to install it as a dual boot with windows, should i go with Lubuntu instead ?
[12:42] <void09> $ uname -r
[12:42] <void09> $ apt search linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:42] <void09> I did this and no results
[12:44] <ogra_> void09, if you want a newer kernel than the original one, use the HWE stack, if you use some randomly hacked up kenel from some PPA (that is most likely missing the ubuntu patch set and config defaults), that is really not supportable here and you shuld ask the PPA owner
[12:44] <void09> HWE stack ? Can I have a link for it ?
[12:44] <ravage> !hwe | void09
[12:45] <void09> it's really confusing with ubuntu, you google how to do something and get all kinds of random pages, some outdated garbage
[12:45] <ravage> welcome to the internet
[12:45] <ogra_> well, thats the internet ... not really an ubuntu issue
[12:45] <ogra_> hah, *snap*
[12:46] <Guest83> ravage:?
[12:47] <ravage> Guest83: im not sure what the question is really
[12:47] <ravage> if you like lubuntu, install it.
[12:48] <Guest83> ravage: i had good experience with Desktop image for 32-bit PC (i386) computers (standard download)in the same machine before also i am familiar with how to install it as a dual boot with windows, should i go with Lubuntu instead
[12:49] <Guest83> ravage: ok thanks could yoou advise me with tutorial on how to install it alongside windows is this how to accurate, https://www.lifewire.com/install-lubuntu-16-04-windows-10-4037894
[12:50] <ravage> Guest83: the installer should give you that option i think. but i have never installed lubuntu beside windows. i know that the ubuntu installer supports it.
[12:51] <ogra_> Guest83, dont use 16.04 though, unless you are after paying canonical for support (16.04 is in paid support mode)
[12:52] <Guest83> ravage; also i wont find problems with this  lubuntu-16.04.6-desktop-i386.iso version for exemple not supporting certain apps like chromium browser or firefox ...
[12:52] <ravage> as ogra_ said. dont install 16.04
[12:52] <ogra_> and if you consider to ever upgrade that system once a new release comes out and an old one goes EOL, you should also rater use the 64bit version ... 32bit support got dropped in 2018
[12:53] <ravage> if you want a system that you can upgrade get https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/20.04.3/release/lubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:53] <ogra_> (18.04 is the last Ubuntu wih 32bit (i386) support)
[12:53] <ravage> i dont know how well that system works with 4GB of RAM. thats why i recommended xubuntu
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu 20.04 is still very lightweight, i revived a 2gb netbook with it, any older release didnt like before
[12:54] <ravage> i guess chromium alone will eat 2GB of it :D
[12:54] <Guest83> ok as i said i have an old machine with windows fullof important windows files and i want to staill make use of the machine with lubuntu just to brose the web and check emails and do some libreoffice word or sheets what do you advice me to install my machine is 64bit 4g ram i3 cpu
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> falkon to the rescue
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> !info falkon | ravage
[12:55] <void09> Guest83: why not spend $10 on 4gb stick of RAM and install whatever you want ?
[12:55] <Guest83> ravage: i prefer an LTS version
[12:55] <ravage> lotuspsychje: thanks. my 32Gb desktop runs firefox just fine :D
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> heh
[12:56] <ravage> Guest83: ok. so 20.04 is perfect for you
[12:57] <Guest83> ogra_ :ok as i said i have an old machine with windows fullof important windows files and i want to staill make use of the machine with lubuntu just to brose the web and check emails and do some libreoffice word or sheets what do you advice me to install my machine is 64bit 4g ram i3 cpu
[12:57] <Guest83> ravage : ogra agrees? ok then
[12:57] <ravage> Guest83: install lubuntu 20.04 LTS 64bit and be happy ;)
[12:57] <ogra_> Guest83, the iso from the last link ravage gave above
[12:57] <ogra_> Guest83, and back up your windows files first 😉
[12:58] <ravage> no backup. no mercy. as always :)
[12:58] <ogra_> yeah
[12:59] <ogra_> and thats just a generel advice, independent of what distro you install ... you can always make a mistake or hit some bug, no matter if you install fedora, ubuntu arch or whatnot ...
[12:59] <ogra_> general
[12:59] <user|65> my clipboard doesnt copy images
[13:00] <Guest83> ravage, ogra: sure i will be carefull while doing the dual boot install thanks i will go with this version
[13:00] <JackFrost> Or, your harddrive could fail.
[13:00] <Forza> Hi. I am on 20.04 LTS and I'd like to get a newer btrfs-progs. How can I do this?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> Forza: !backports !snaps
[13:15] <void09> Ok so I tried to install linux 5.15 latest using the mainline package.. but its linux-headers seem to depend on libssl3 (>= 3.0.0 ~~alpha1)
[13:15] <void09> which it says is not isntallable. any way around this?
[13:15] <void09> on lubuntu 20.04
[13:16] <Forza> lotuspsychje:?
[13:16] <Forza> !backports
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> void09: use a pastebin please, so volunteers can see whats going on with apt exactly
[13:17] <ogra_> void09, the mainline kernels are also missing the ubuntu patches and some configs, they are not for production use, just for bug triage
[13:17] <void09> I can't really copy paste from this VM, since linux guest is not installed.. cause it fails because of the kernel headers problem
[13:17] <void09> I will take a screenshot
[13:18]  * ogra_ points to https😕/wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds .... "These kernels are not supported and are not appropriate for production use." ...
[13:18] <ogra_> bah, silly emoji plugin ...
[13:19] <JackFrost> Haha. :D
[13:19] <ogra_> use the HWE kernels as advised before ...
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> !hwe | void09 adviced by ogra_
[13:20] <void09> https://pastebin.com/raw/Qbmnic8H
[13:20] <KBar> Hey everyone. I don't need no Bluetooth. It (Blueman and bluetooth.service) keeps popping up. How do I get rid of it altogether?
[13:22] <ravage> KBar: systemctl disable <servicename>
[13:23] <Forza> Seems no backports of btrfs-progs
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> KBar: stacer is also pretty cool to manage services
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> Forza: btrfs-progs  0.6.0    tequilabumbum74  -      A snap for btrfs tools (snap)
[13:24] <Forza> Latest version is 5.15.x, focal contains 5.4
[13:24] <ogra_> Forza, there is a snap, but it had no stable release yet so your mileage may vary
[13:24] <Forza> 0.60 seems ooold
[13:24] <KBar> ravage: does it survive updates?
[13:24] <Forza> Yea. I don't like snap anyways :D
[13:24] <ogra_> any reason ?
[13:24] <webchat37> hello can someone please have some time to walk me through formatting the newly bought external hard drive and set encyption on it
[13:24] <ravage> KBar: yes
[13:25] <ravage> webchat37: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/encrypt-usb-drive-on-ubuntu/ this should still be a valid guide
[13:26] <void09> ogra_: I ran those commands, but it still seems to install kernel 5.4
[13:27] <void09> makes no difference to me if i run 5.4-ubuntu or 5.4-generic
[13:27] <ogra_> void09, "thos commends" ??? just install the hwe kernel package
[13:27] <void09> HOW ?
[13:27] <void09>  sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic
[13:27] <void09> I ran this
[13:27] <ogra_> there are no other "commands" but apt install of the correct package name
[13:28] <ogra_> sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[13:29] <KBar> ravage: Awesome. I actually thought maybe I could disable the kernel module. But that's unnecessarily drastic, I guess.
[13:29] <KBar> A bit too radical.
[13:29] <void09> ogra_: says it's aready the newest version, 5.11
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> !info stacer | KBar
[13:30] <KBar> lotuspsychje: thanks. Will have a closer look.
[13:30] <webchat37> ravage: thank you, will it work on external hard drive? the steps are about thumb drives
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> great gui units manager
[13:30] <ogra_> void09, so then you are on the latest usable kernel
[13:30] <void09> yeah, but I want 5.15
[13:30] <ravage> webchat37: yes
[13:31] <ogra_> void09, there is no 5.15 for any supported ubuntu release yet
[13:31] <void09> ok then maybe we can fix the mainline one to install somehow ?
[13:31] <KBar> Why not? Mark Shuttleworth making bucks for nothing again?
[13:31] <void09> it's only one error
[13:31] <ogra_> anything else would be hacks that might or might not work, might miss things userspace expects etc etc
[13:31] <ioria> !info linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge focal
[13:32] <Aarch64debian> ubuntu-jammy-dev should stop reporting application error plz fix
[13:32] <ogra_> oh ! i didnt know about -edge !
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> Aarch64debian: #ubuntu-next please
[13:33] <ravage> discovered edge a few weeks ago. but as its "only" 5.13 i didnt mention it :
[13:33] <Aarch64debian> 20.04 has 5.13 now?
[13:33] <ogra_> not yet 🙂
[13:33] <ravage> it has with the edge package
[13:33] <ravage> > uname -a -> Linux esports 5.13.0-22-generic #22~20.04.1-U
[13:33] <ravage> works pretty well on all my devices
[13:34] <ogra_> yeah, will likely become the next normal hwe ... once 5.15 becomes -edge 🙂
[13:34] <ogra_> i.e. if 5.1 is ready enough
[13:34] <ogra_> *5.15
[13:35] <void09> I'd use 21.10 but this script I am trying to test only does LTS versions
[13:36] <void09> 22.04 not there yet
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> void09: 22.04 devel still runs 5.13.0-19-generic atm
[13:37] <ravage> void09: as ogra_ said there is no supported Ubuntu version with 5.15 yet. so you can try to manually install it but it is on no way supported here
[13:38] <KBar> ravage, yay. No more blueteeth for me!
[13:38] <void09> I didn't ask for support of it, just how to install it
[13:38] <KBar> thanks
[13:39] <ravage> KBar: yay! :)
[13:39] <KBar> Well, that's the definition of support.
[13:40] <void09> https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-linux-kernel-5-15-on-ubuntu-20-04/ - this worked !
[13:40] <KBar> You're asking how to install something not supported. If something goes wrong, then what? Poor volunteers, Mark Shuttleworth and Linus Torvalds are at fault?
[13:40] <KBar> Maybe throw in nvidia to the mix, and we're all set.
[13:41] <ioria> the problem with 5.15 (al least on focal) is libc not compatible; so the only way is that ppa (but not mailine, afaik)
[13:44] <Guest27> Connection : Stable
[13:45] <Guest27> CommLink : Active
[13:47] <void09> great, now I get ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-header... when install vbox guest
[13:48] <ravage> so you get errors after installing unsupported packages that replace core system components. how unexpected.
[13:48] <void09> time to give up< I think one can get crazy in ubuntu land
[13:48] <ogra_> only if you follow ill howtos ...
[13:48] <void09> will install as is, and try to port parts of the script to arch linux
[13:56] <KBar> ogra_ but but, Mark Shuttleworth! So conservative! Deliberately keeps every package outdated!
[13:58] <ogra_> KBar, what else are CEOs supposed to do ?!?
[14:01] <KBar> I know, right? That's probably how he earns so much money. :-X
[14:21] <dhanush> hello
[14:37] <GSMarquis> How compatible are Thunderbolt 3 docks with Ubuntu? Like in general.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> GSMarquis: i would browse ubuntu launchpad bugs for the specific model you want to buy, see if many bgs exist or not
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> GSMarquis: there's no really general statements to make
[14:46] <GSMarquis> I understand. After reading a thousand reviews on 10 docks, they are all over the place. Most centering on Win10/11 and Mac OS. Only a few statements on Linux. Seems the market for Thunderbolt universal compatability is still in the learning phase.
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> GSMarquis: there are ubuntu related bugs with docks loosing screen, but best to hunt down the specific model
[14:48] <GSMarquis> Thanks for the response.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:01] <MrCollinsGA> good morning
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome MrCollinsGA
[15:28] <clarkk11> On Ubuntu 20.04, I have 8GB of the following messages in my syslog   gnome-shell[16104]: [16149:16161:1230/073537.385640:ERROR:socket_posix.cc(96)] CreatePlatformSocket() failed: Address family not supported by protocol (97)
[15:28] <clarkk11> Does anyone know how I can resolve it, please?
[15:28] <clarkk11> A second question I have - how do I make user applications (discord, vlc, obs, etc) by default log to a file other than syslog, so I don't have to explicitly create a rsyslog filter for each app?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> clarkk11: you could launch each app from a terminal you want to cli trace
[15:31] <clarkk11> lotuspsychje, I don't want to do that really. I just want to use gnome as normal, I just don't understand why normal user apps are able to log to the system log. It creates a lot of noise, and makes it difficult to debug serious issues
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> clarkk11: these days journal logs capture a lot
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> clarkk11: you could try out colortail too, for more easy debug/searching
[15:39] <eson123> anyone has the problem like this when trying to apt update ? https://pastebin.com/E6xaacDR
[15:40] <eson123> it used to be well yesterday and now i can't even install some packages
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> eson123: ubuntu 20.10 is end of life
[15:42] <eson123> lotuspsychje: oh no, is there anyway to upgrade from my version to 20.10 without reinstalling the complete distro ?
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | eson123
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> eson123: but, reccomended to fresh install a supported version from the topic instead
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> eson123: keep running eol versions 'could' have security risks, see !usn
[15:44] <eson123> welp, this is gonna take lots of time again
[15:45] <eson123> let's me just grab the latest image and get this one over with :D
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> try an !LTS version perhaps, get yourself longer support?
[15:46] <eson123> yea i will just get the latest LTS one
[15:46] <eson123> 20.04 as the page says
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> good idea eson123
[15:48] <eson123> it's weird how 20.04 is newer than 20.10 :P
[15:49] <leftyfb> eson123: it's not newer. 20.04 is an LTS release. 20.10 was not.
[15:49] <eson123> awh ok
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> !info ccze | clarkk11 also handy colorizing
[15:50] <clarkk11> lotuspsychje, thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them.  I still hope there is an actual solution tho
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> clarkk11: for your gnome error?
[15:52] <clarkk11> lotuspsychje, to make user apps log to another file instead of syslog
[15:52] <leftyfb> clarkk11: https://serverfault.com/a/923436
[15:54] <clarkk11> leftyfb, that's not really what I'm after
[15:54] <leftyfb> clarkk11: splitting up individual applications (especially the different pieces of gnome) into separate written log files isn't really worth the time
[16:15] <Klinda> is there a way to install all the graphic libraries development packages at once or maybe all the gnome development packages that should have the graphic libraries ones as well?
[16:18] <tomreyn> would it not be better to instlal just those you need?
[16:19] <Klinda> I need imagemagick to work but it doesn't install the delegates
[16:19] <leftyfb> Klinda: do you mean dependencies?
[16:19] <Klinda> like to use the command convert
[16:20] <Klinda> I install it, but it doens't work because there isn't the external library that work to convert
[16:20] <leftyfb> Klinda: please pastebin the command you are using and the error message
[16:20] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> klinda@superleague:~/Downloads/ImageMagick-6.9.3-10$ convert --version
[16:21] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> Version: ImageMagick 6.9.3-10 Q16 x86_64 2021-12-30 http://www.imagemagick.org
[16:21] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2016 ImageMagick Studio LLC
[16:21] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> License: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/license.php
[16:21] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> Features: Cipher DPC OpenMP
[16:21] <leftyfb> :/
[16:21] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> Delegates (built-in): x zlib
[16:21] <leftyfb> !pastebin | Klinda
[16:21] <leftyfb> Klinda: I did say pastebin, not paste
[16:21] <leftyfb> Klinda: now you will have to wait for your timeout to expire before you can post again
[16:22] <Klinda> I need to login to paste?
[16:22] <Klinda> xD
[16:22] <leftyfb> Klinda: try pastebin.com
[16:23] <leftyfb> Klinda: also, please don't paste an old paste to an IRC channel. Please run the command again and paste the command and error message
[16:23] <Klinda> now I have bugged the command
[16:23] <Klinda> so I can't
[16:23] <leftyfb> huh?
[16:24] <Klinda> I am installing an older version of imagemagick :)
[16:24] <Klinda> but it doesn't install the delegates that's it
[16:24] <Klinda> as you can see 17:21] <Klinda> [16:05] <Klinda> Delegates (built-in): x zlib
[16:25] <Klinda> only this I have
[16:25] <tomreyn> that's probably a build option
[16:25] <leftyfb> Klinda: ok, please run this command and paste the resulting URL here:    ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy imagemagick ; convert --version ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:26] <ioria> Klinda, i guess 6.9.3-10 was never in the ubu repositories
[16:27] <leftyfb> yeah, this was my next thought
[16:27] <Klinda> so?
[16:27] <leftyfb> Klinda: please follow my request above
[16:28] <Klinda> wait I am compile and install it
[16:28] <tomreyn> we can only support ubuntu and its packages here, you're apparently using something else.
[16:28] <Klinda> and I try
[16:28] <Klinda> but it's a problem of the delegates only
[16:28] <tomreyn> but not an ubuntu problem
[16:28] <leftyfb> Klinda: sorry, but we cannot support applications compiled from source. Please seek support from wherever you got the source for the package
[16:30] <Klinda> there is no answer to the first one?
[16:30] <Klinda> question I did?
[16:30] <leftyfb> Klinda: sorry, but we cannot support applications compiled from source. Please seek support from wherever you got the source for the package
[16:31] <ioria> Klinda, you want the list ? ok ... https://download.imagemagick.org/ImageMagick/download/delegates/
[16:31] <leftyfb> Klinda: if you would like support here, please paste the resulting command from my post above, remove your compiled version and install from the ubuntu repositories
[16:32] <Klinda> no I am just compiling old versions to reproduce some bugs, maybe I can see how they fixes in the last version
[16:33] <leftyfb> Klinda: ok, good luck
[16:33] <Klinda> is possibile to install older version from ubuntu repositores too?
[16:33] <KBar> Klinda wonderful people here are volunteering their help for anyone and everyone in need. Most of them are not affiliated with Ubuntu. You need to be willing to listen to their suggestions
[16:33] <KBar> If you want help and resolution. Don't be stubborn, please
[16:34] <leftyfb> Klinda: your issues and concerns really have nothing to do with ubuntu.
[16:34] <KBar> Klinda: you might find older versions of a particular software on launchpad.net. It keeps most older builds intact.
[16:34] <KBar> However, don't expect support and guidance. You're on your own.
[16:34] <Klinda> yes I understand this is not the right channel, thanks  anyway
[17:04] <gnu_smeagol> trying to nuke the snap store but looks like we configure some dependencies on snaps out of the box. how can i install the gnome-3.28 stack to disk? also gtk-common-themes?
[17:07] <oerheks> i think you still need snapd, there is no gtk-common-themes package in launchpad
[17:08] <oerheks> so, if you do not want snapd: hop distro
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> snapd can be purged if one wants/needs
[17:09] <oerheks> sure, but then you lack important packages for gnome
[17:09] <gnu_smeagol> that's what i thought. found a bunch of guides really easily which detail stopping the service and purging snapd. but cant do that with the dependencies
[17:10] <gnu_smeagol> exactly. if i hold the service i wont get updates. looks like i wont get updates if i purge either.
[17:10] <oerheks> indeed.
[17:10] <tomreyn> if you remove all snaps, which snap updates do you intend to get?
[17:11] <gnu_smeagol> my gnome dependency and gtk themes. i wanted to replace them with disk installion and nuke the store.
[17:11] <gnu_smeagol> *runtime dtack
[17:12] <tomreyn> so you have something which is specifc to your environment which depends on these older gnome libs?
[17:13] <tomreyn> (i don't think ubuntu itself does)
[17:13] <gnu_smeagol> no i am going to keep moving forward with the updates, i just wish there was a way to do do without snaps.
[17:13] <gnu_smeagol> i guess i could just rip out gnome, eh?
[17:14] <tomreyn> you could uninstall gnome, or oyu could keep using it, and still purge snapd
[17:14] <ThinkT510> it is an uphill battle wanting to run ubuntu without snaps. they are determined to press forward so it is only going to getmore difficult. why waste the effort?
[17:15] <tomreyn> also a valid POV, i guess.
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> i tested that togheter with ogra_ purge snapd and snap store, gnome runs fine after
[17:15] <gnu_smeagol> that is true. i forgot about that. just evangelized my buddy onto zorin and maybe one more. thought id give it a spin for a while and boy is it nice not having to hack everything together. but this snap stuff sucks.
[17:15] <tomreyn> it's not even clear which ubuntu versions we're all talking about
[17:16] <gnu_smeagol> i am on 20.04 zorin 16
[17:16] <gnu_smeagol> gnome3-28-1804 snap
[17:16] <tomreyn> then you're in the wrong place to get support
[17:16] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: zorin is not Ubuntu and not supported here
[17:17] <gnu_smeagol> zorin is based on ubuntu and thought id ask around o7
[17:17] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: zorin has their own support methods
[17:18] <gnu_smeagol> they might, but they are pretty sparse, it would seem. also zorin is fully compatible with ubuntu repos. i literally have ubuntu focal and impish trees in my sources.list
[17:19] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: good luck
[17:26] <gnu_smeagol> oh, it's not for me, just the budd(ies). i'm nit-pickky about the 300M of mem it sucks up in the background, but they prob don't care. but i'm also not a fan of how snaps interact with apt. but they probably won't be on the command line for a year or two. for example 'apt install chromium' installs the snap. even 'chromium-browser' which is listed
[17:26] <gnu_smeagol> on the https repo search! i hope i could configure that...
[17:26] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: you could mask and disable the snapd service
[17:27] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: but since you're running zorin, you're on your own on how to do that
[17:27] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: but then that also means you're not getting updates for gnome core
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> gnu_smeagol: or install ubuntu desktop and get back support from here, make your life easy :p
[17:29] <gnu_smeagol> the os is literally 1:1 as far as i'm concerned. i have a desktoo theme and a fancy neofetch. just running the LTS branch. and that's my point exactly. it i don't want snaps i can't update gnome. WTF
[17:29] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: good luck with zorin
[17:29] <gnu_smeagol> you keep saying that, i keep plug and playing with ubuntu guides.
[17:34] <ogra_> gnu_smeagol, just keep in mind that you wont get any officially supported browsers anymore without snap support from 22.04 on ... (you can indeed use the upstream debs if you feel like)
[17:35] <ogra_> (and a release upgrade from 21.10 -> 22.04 will bring snapd back if you had the firefox deb installed in 21.10)
[17:43] <gnu_smeagol> holy cow ok. thanks for the info. it will be interesting to see how far canonical will go with their 'exclusively snap' packaging...
[17:43] <gnu_smeagol> "the only reason we brought this code to the disk was for ExXxTrEEM perBorMaCE!!!"
[17:43] <ogra_> everywhere where it makes sense technically and security wise ...
[17:44] <gnu_smeagol> are snaps seriously that more secure?
[17:44] <ogra_> the switch to firefo as snap freens up 1.5 fulltime devs for doing actual work on the desktop instead
[17:44] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: you should read up on what snaps are exactly and their purpose
[17:44] <ogra_> *firefox frees up...
[17:55] <gnu_smeagol> i've done my research, but i am not a professional researcher. my experience leads me to prefer flatpak as the corporate alternative. but appimage will always be #1. but i still always prefer source. and flatpak v. snap, flatpak is definitely faster. but flatpak has its leaks so i use neither. but it's interesting you mention this security bit. i
[17:55] <gnu_smeagol> will take a look at that.
[17:56] <gnu_smeagol> how would something like firejail interact with snaps? weren't there issues not too long ago?
[17:56] <leftyfb> gnu_smeagol: feel free to discuss snaps in #snappy.
[17:57] <gnu_smeagol> ok ty all for the dialogue twas fun ^-^)>
[18:02] <coz_> good day all
[18:10] <asbachb65> Hi is there something like https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2021/12/30/ for ubuntu package repos?
[18:11] <asbachb65> to pin ubuntu repos to a specific point in time.
[18:11] <genii> !pin
[18:11] <leftyfb> asbachb65: ubuntu is not a rolling release
[18:11] <tomreyn> asbachb65: there are no snapshots. but you could create them on your end.
[18:11] <leftyfb> asbachb65: you can pin package versions. There is no concept of "time" for the packages though
[18:12] <leftyfb> asbachb65: can I ask, what is your goal exactly and why?
[18:12] <genii> Yes, the pinning only applies to versions
[18:13] <asbachb65> leftyfb: I want to ensure that when I provision a vm today it should be the same state as one month in future.
[18:14] <leftyfb> asbachb65: then you'll need to host your own apt mirror with the versions you want and disable updating it. Or pin every single package version in the OS
[18:14] <leftyfb> asbachb65: none of this is a good idea though. You prevent the OS from getting security updates
[18:14] <tomreyn> and not use snaps
[18:15] <leftyfb> there is no pinning of snaps
[18:15] <asbachb65> leftyfb: That would be totally fine.
[18:15] <tomreyn> maybe  tell us what it is that you're trying to achieve, or what makes you think you need this
[18:21] <jhutchins> asbachb65: It's pretty easy to create a template from an initial install, then just image that template to a new VM rather than running a regular install.
[18:22] <jhutchins> asbachb65: VMWare and other VM management systems offer templates that will build a system and re-initialise things like system keys so you don't end up with a completely duplicate system.
[18:22] <jhutchins> asbachb65: Some time and effort to learn the tools is required.
[18:51] <void09> $ sudo add-apt-repository multiverse
[18:51] <void09> $ sudo apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-x11
[18:51] <void09> Can anyone confirm this is the correct way to install vbox guest additions on a 20.04 lubuntu install inside vbox?
[18:53] <tomreyn> void09: this, or the virtualbox approach
[18:53] <void09> or this ? sudo apt install virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-dkms
[18:53] <jhutchins> !vbox
[18:53] <void09> I am getting confused.. googling this results in dozens of articles on various sites, each one differing a bit
[18:53] <void09> is there no central wiki for ubuntu like the arch wiki /
[18:54] <jhutchins> void09: What would control or enforce that?
[18:54] <tomreyn> you were just pointed to it
[18:54] <void09> pointed to what /
[18:54] <tomreyn> "central wiki for ubuntu"
[18:54] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[18:55] <tomreyn> many pages there are incomplete or outdated, though
[18:55] <tomreyn> and there's also community.ubuntu.com as an attempted replacement
[18:55] <void09> well i don't need virtualbox install.. i need ubuntu inside vbox
[18:55] <void09>  Install Ubuntu Server as Guest OS
[18:56] <void09> this is all there is about it ,yet i don't have ubuntu server
[18:56] <tomreyn> so download ubuntu server and install it?
[18:57] <void09> I don't want ubuntu server, i want lubuntu desktop
[18:57] <oerheks> !kvm
[18:57] <void09> sudo apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11
[18:57] <void09> I found this.. hope it works
[18:58] <void09> I just wanna run a shitty script inside ubuntu so I can port it to archlinux.. I really hate this distro
[19:00] <oerheks> oh use virtual box then
[19:05] <luna> did help out with the direvent translation
[19:09] <tomreyn> luna: did you want to ask something related to ubuntu support, or help someone who did?
[19:49] <tstagg> void09: you seem to have already answered this yourself in your googling
[19:49] <tstagg> Are you having an issue with the instructions you found from your search?
[19:49] <void09> tstagg: yeah I found 3 different sets of packages in articles describing the solution. some failed to provide the needed functionality (copy/paste between host/guest). That's why I wanted to check here
[19:50] <global_elites> is there a way to install 21.10 from the live iso without installing grub?
[19:52] <tstagg> void09: in the menu, do you have Devices -> Shared Clipboard -> Bidirectional set?
[19:52] <void09> yes,I do
[19:53] <void09> sudo apt install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 - this made it work
[19:53] <tstagg> oh ok you got it working then
[19:53] <tstagg> good deal
[19:53] <void09> not sure if all necessary, but i won't bother investigate further
[20:31] <yates> i've installed llvm and clang version 10, but those exist as llvm-10 and clang-10. shouldn't there be symlinks between llvm and clang and the -10 versions?
[20:32] <yates> it seems wrong for me to manually create them. there should be some mechanism provided
[20:32] <yates> i tried update-alternatives but there are no llvm or clang there
[20:34] <yates> i guess i'm a liar. there is a llvm-config in update-alternatives --list
[20:34] <jhutchins> void09: You realise that you have now establoshed yourself as the local export on Debian VMs.
[20:35] <jhutchins> expert
[20:35] <void09>  
[20:43] <MrCollinsGA> ok so I have installed ansible to help me setup my video encoders. how do I orchestrate doing things on this as instructed yesterday? can anyone help me? I know this is ubuntu channel. but there were a few ppl helping me and they suggested it. Thanks for any help.
[20:44] <Kexoni> I will establish myself as local expert for Ubuntu installations when I install Ubuntu :D
[20:45] <MrCollinsGA> hehe Kexoni
[20:53] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: You're going to have to invest some time learning Ansible, which is not something you can do from IRC one-liners.
[20:53] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/user_guide/intro_adhoc.html
[20:54] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: That's a good place to start, although you ultimately want to learn to set up and run playbooks.
[20:54] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, right. I just need a little guidance thats all im asking. thanks for anything :)
[20:54] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: There's a lot to be said for trial-and-error experimentation.
[20:54] <MrCollinsGA> I am working thru that now.
[20:55] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: I really wish I had my notes and bookmarks from when I learned it ~five years ago.
[20:55] <MrCollinsGA> Me too :)
[21:00] <CPLANET> hi guys, has anyone managed to install gnome 41 desktop?
[21:00] <CPLANET> on ubuntu 20.04?
[21:05] <oerheks> CPLANET, no, but next version Jammy does give 41 standard https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3
[21:33] <yashi> How do I convert an 8TB HFS+ volume to ext4 IN PLACE?
[21:34] <leftyfb> in place? As in while it's mounted?
[21:34] <genii> You don't
[21:34] <leftyfb> yashi: buy another drive and copy the files over
[21:34] <yashi> I'm ok to unmount it but I don't have 8TB of extra space
[21:35] <leftyfb> 8 1TB drives? some online service?
[21:35] <leftyfb> sorry, not much you can do
[21:35] <yashi> hrm
[21:35] <yashi> ok
[21:35] <leftyfb> even if there was the ability to "convert", I wouldn't take the chance with that much data that you don't have backed up
[21:35] <yashi> so buy another drive
[21:35] <yashi> ok
[21:36] <oerheks> drive big enough for your data*
[21:38] <jhutchins> yashi: What did you hope to accomplish by converting from HFS to EXT?
[21:39] <yashi> hfs+ write support in ubuntu is experimental I thought
[21:41] <webchat69> hey guys, i installed windows 10 on a partition next to my existing ubuntu install. i am trying to fix grub now but boot-repair doesn't show a recommended repair button. this is my info: https://0bin.net/paste/26qwKySN#h6FmxgSBfVhx9x+ezFBh4yyt8ORkSd3T1RMfPpHdGY5
[21:41] <dman777> how can I install steam on 20.04? I have multiverse enabled but apt install steam shows it is missing. it does show steam-devices is available but that is not the same?
[21:42] <leftyfb> dman777: steam-installer
[21:43] <webchat69> nvme0n1p1 lists a bunch of boot files, including grubx64.efi which i suppose is the executable of the bootloader. not sure why it doesn't work
[21:43] <dman777> steam-installer : Depends: steam (= 1:1.0.0.61-2ubuntu3) but it is not installable
[21:44] <dman777> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[21:45] <leftyfb> dman777: sudo apt update ; sudo apt install steam-installer
[21:45] <webchat69> brb, trying something
[21:46] <Kexoni> tried yesteday to install with no luck, I was talkin at this channel, triend to install Ubuntu with dual boot. I have new idea.
[21:46] <Kexoni> Windows is UEFI, what if I try to install Ubuntu in legacy?
[21:46] <Kexoni> it is not problem if I need to change in bios when I need Windows
[21:47] <Kexoni> in this case Ubuntu will be UEFI, and Ubuntu in legacy, is it possible?
[21:47] <oerheks> one should be able to install ubuntu in uefi mode too.
[21:47] <Kexoni> sorry about spelling mistakes
[21:48] <oerheks> !uefi
[21:48] <omarramo> i'm back on a different account, i'm something69 from a few messages above. I could boot into my system by just selecting it in the bios. works like a charm. thanks anyways
[21:49] <Kexoni> well, I install, but can't boot. grub is booted, but can't boot Ubuntu
[21:49] <Kexoni> when I choose Windows in grub it is booted normally
[21:52] <dman777> does steam pull any gnome or kde dependencies? trying to keep those out
[21:53] <leftyfb> dman777: doesn't looks like it to me
[21:54] <oerheks> !info apt-rdepends
[21:54] <dman777> oerheks: I can't because the utility steam seems to do it in itself in it's own shell
[21:58] <jhutchins> Kexoni: What _does_ the system do if you select Ubuntu?
[21:59] <Kexoni> tried to install today again, now it return me to grub menu
[22:00] <jhutchins>  Kexoni: Did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI ?
[22:02] <tomreyn> jhutchins: you think manually specifying the mtrr_cleanup options won't help / work around this issue which kexoni used to show on their usb boot dmesg yesterday?
[22:03] <tomreyn> (that'sif you had followed this part of the conversation)
[22:06] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Well, apparently not if he already tried it.
[22:06] <Kexoni> tomreyn, we will try this...
[22:07] <tomreyn> Kexoni: did you try specifying suitable mtrr-* parameters, yet? maybe i missed some chat.
[22:07] <jhutchins> I haven't see the "return to grub" behavior myself.  I've had one that wouldn't boot, one that complained about the FAT but booted anyway, and one that just works.
[22:08] <Kexoni> tomreyn, no, didin't tried this
[22:08] <tomreyn> "return to grub" is new since today
[22:08] <tomreyn> i wonder what changed
[22:08] <Kexoni> yeah, tried again install
[22:08] <tomreyn> well, that alone should not introduce the change
[22:08] <tomreyn> unless you installed differently or also changed bios options
[22:09] <Kexoni> changed uefi boot order
[22:09] <tomreyn> so the reason its not booting now is just the bug i told you about yesterday
[22:09] <jhutchins> Kexoni: Just a wild guess, does a partition tool show multiple EFI partitions?
[22:10] <jhutchins> Sorry, I'm gonna let tomreyn run this, I think he has more experience.
[22:10] <tomreyn> i'm not sure about this, you seem to have a great deal
[22:10] <tomreyn> but we can try
[22:12] <tomreyn> Kexoni: would changing the uefi boot order now make the ubuntu boot end up on the black screen agan?
[22:12] <Kexoni> jhutchins, I have this partitions https://ibb.co/kqH7cq8
[22:12] <Kexoni> tomreyn, I will try in a minute
[22:12] <Kexoni> brb
[22:13] <tomreyn> oh, there is just one efi system partition then
[22:50] <Kexoni> when ubuntu is first, then grub is booted, but when I select Windows Boot Manager then Windows is booted directly
[22:51] <Kexoni> when grub is booted I can enter Windows and boot Windows normally
[22:51] <Kexoni> and when I select Ubuntu in grub menu I am returned again to grub
[22:54] <Kexoni> now, I see in Windows in Disk manager for disk 0 that partition style is GPT
[22:54] <Kexoni> and for disk 1 it is MBR
[22:55] <Kexoni> I am trying to install Ubuntu at disk 1 (sdb)
[22:55] <Kexoni> could it be a problem, that it is MBR?
[22:55] <Aarch64debian> !gpt
[22:56] <Aarch64debian> !efi
[22:57] <Kexoni> ok, I will convert now and try new install
[22:58] <EriC^^> Kexoni: no
[22:58] <EriC^^> ubuntu can use mbr fine with uefi
[22:59] <EriC^^> Kexoni: it sounds like there's a problem with the grub config itself, if grub loads everything is good mbr/uefi etc not related anymore
[23:03] <Kexoni> thanks EriC^^, I will try new install, already formated partitions
[23:21] <tomreyn> So if Kexoni makes it back to the point where they run into a black screen during boot, I suppose they should try to boot [ test_case_1: to the advanced -> recovery grub menu entry ] and [ test_case_2: *without* linux command line options    quiet splash     and *with*    debug systemd.log_level=info mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 mtrr_gran_size=64M mtrr_chunk_size=128M    ]
[23:23] <Kexoni> like EriC^^ told, changing to GPT didn't changed anything
[23:23] <tomreyn> if recovery works, the normal boot record should boot with additional kernel command line option      dis_ucode_ldr      and it's an early CPU microcode update issue. if the latter helps, it's a needed workaround to the hybrid graphics setup and a bad bios.
[23:24] <tomreyn> Kexoni: unrelated to this, you may want to read https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/12/30/%23ubuntu.html later, searching for (substring) "test_case"
[23:26] <Kexoni> I will read right now
[23:26] <tomreyn> try in 30 minutes
[23:32] <Kexoni> tomreyn, no test_case string in that log
[23:34] <Bashing-om> Kexoni: Wait for the log to get updated :D
[23:34] <Kexoni> ok
[23:36] <tomreyn> i meant to point you to this https://paste.debian.net/plain/1225314 but first of all you need to get back to the situation you were in yesterday. the system returning to grub menu is a separate problem.
[23:36] <tomreyn> Kexoni: ^
[23:39] <freetester> hi guys
[23:39] <freetester> im installing latte-dock on my ubuntu-kde with this guide
[23:39] <freetester> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LyjApwPTxg
[23:40] <Kexoni> ok, I will try now
[23:40] <freetester> but at the minute 2.20 he take all the dependecis that are not present in the link https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Build_from_source/Install_the_dependencies
[23:41] <freetester> do u kno whow i can take all the dependecis nedded?
[23:41] <freetester> thanks
[23:43] <tomreyn> freetester: most of the time, you'll better follow well tested textual rather than some video tuorials. and note that you're on your own when you try unsupported configurations. last, but not least, note that there is also #kubuntu
[23:48] <freetester> hi tomreyn, thanks for the answer. in the meanwhile im following both the video and the officcial guide line post in this link https://invent.kde.org/plasma/latte-dock
[23:48] <freetester> but i dont know which is the way to install all the dependecis nedded
[23:49] <tomreyn> freetester: i can't help there.
[23:49] <freetester> why?
[23:50] <tomreyn> lack of kde knowledge :)
[23:50] <freetester> ah ok thank you
[23:51] <tomreyn> there#s a latte-dock package in ubuntu, though, which should help with the dependencies: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=latte-dock
[23:53] <Intelo> I wonder where is lbry/odysee videos actually stored? I mean who hosts the blockchain? the browsers /viewers of the videos or are there special hosts? if latter is correct, I wonder how one single host can have all the video data?   b) if one host don't have all the data, then all should have the list/index/meta data of all videos in order for
[23:53] <Intelo> users to search "all" the videos
[23:54] <tomreyn> hi Intelo. please note, once again, that this is an ubuntu support channel. not to be used for other topics or software not covered by ubuntu. and that we do not condone cross posting.
[23:55] <Intelo> oh
[23:56] <freetester> thankyou tomreyn
[23:56] <freetester> how i can install it?
[23:56] <oerheks> !info latte-dock
[23:57] <tomreyn> !apt | freetester
[23:58] <freetester> well i only need to write in terminal "sudo apt install bionic" for example?
[23:59] <Kexoni> just to say no results, thanks
[23:59] <tomreyn> freetester: yes, if the goal is to install the install a package named "bionic". but you should run "sudo apt update" beforehand.
[23:59] <Kexoni> must go to sleep, thanks again