[01:24] <davef> Huh, where are the 64-bit builds of Raspbian for the Pi?
[01:29] <ball> It's not called Raspbian any more.
[01:32] <daftykins> hmm, packet of jaffa cakes just evaporated off my desk D:
[01:34] <daftykins> so how's everyone's first (or thereabouts) day of battle gone?
[01:37] <davef> okay I guess.. weirdness in one of our perforce clusters which we couldn't really figure out. causing p4v clients to open hundreds of connections and cause a bunch of timeouts on the cluster.
[01:57] <ball> daftykins: The nice man from Lenovo repaired a desktop PC.
[01:57] <ball> daftykins: ...and now I have to go out in the cold to put air in the tyres on my wife's car.
[01:58] <daftykins> hmm i hope those aren't connected :D
[01:58] <ball> Hah... no, unrelated.
[01:59] <ball> Ugh... -9C tonight, -15C forecast for tomorrow and -19C for Thursday.
[01:59] <ball> ddim scorchio.
[01:59] <daftykins> cor
[02:00] <ball> I'll be back in a bit, hopefully.
[02:01] <ball> Gah, I think my microSDHC card is broken
[02:04] <daftykins> called it :(
[03:22] <ball> Oh no, I'm going to have to reboot all the things.
[03:23] <daftykins> :o
[03:30] <ball> I'm glad a got a new 32 GB microSDHC card for Christmas
[03:30] <ball> ...but disappointed the other one didn't last longer.
[03:31] <daftykins> is it refusing to do anything properly now, even erase?
[03:34] <ball> I'll run some more tests on it after the new one is imaged.
[03:34] <ball> ...but it just locked up 2/3 of the way through an image write.
[03:35] <daftykins> ooh
[03:35] <ball> The activity light on the card reader stopped blinking.
[03:35] <ball> ...just to rule that out, I'll try it again with another reader.
[03:36] <daftykins> sounds good
[03:42] <ball> ...and in fairness to Ubuntu, no OS can be expected to work from a broken disk.
[03:43] <daftykins> unless 'buntu killed it to begin with logging wearing it out :O
[03:44] <daftykins> honestly i hear this tale about Pis so often
[03:46] <ball> It's not an idea choice of medium.  I do have a USB 3.0 SSD I could try.
[03:47] <ball> I'd have to juggle some files to free that up.
[05:17] <ball> Oh dear.  Black screen again.
[06:20] <zxmpi> my pi abides with the original 4gb card it came with yonks ago
[06:21] <zxmpi> first gen pi had an issue with some sd cards. you just had to choose carefully. since then they've been better.
[06:23] <ball> This is my son's Pi 400.
[06:25] <ball> I'm really sad.  I'll have to work on it more later today, after work.
[06:25] <ball> He's going to be upset.
[08:13] <knightwise> heyhey
[08:13] <knightwise> yo zxmpi 
[08:33] <zxmpi> hi
[08:34] <zxmpi> all well?
[13:04] <zxmpi> completely untech related but made me laugh https://news.lettersofnote.com/p/a-string-of-unfortunate-events
[17:33] <davef> Do I want one of these Pi 400's? I'm considering putting it on my bench, to be used for a bit of Arduino tinkering and OctoPi for the 3d printer.
[17:35] <zxmpi> for a workbench that might be dusty i'd prefer a pi in a case and a tougher keyboard. i loved my pi keyboard till a toast crumb got under the p key
[17:35] <zxmpi> ymmv
[17:36] <zxmpi> plus you can upgrade the pi without tossing the keyboard
[17:38] <davef> true
[17:39] <davef> I got myself the 4GB Pi4 the other day for my home automation project.. maybe I'll get the 8GB version this time.
[17:39] <davef> I'm sure I got spare keyboard/mouse
[17:40] <waveform> a couple of things worth noting about the 400: it's currently only available in a 4GB format (no 8GB variant), but it does come with the C0 stepping of the 2711 which runs considerably cooler (and thus is more amenable to overclocking) than the B1 stepping found on the pi4. That said, newer pi4s are now apparently showing up with the C0 stepping (also found on the CM4) though I haven't personally got my hands on one of these yet
[17:41] <waveform> also worth noting: there are no CSI/DSI ports on the 400, so no camera module usage on there
[17:41] <zxmpi> can even add a wireless keyboard if space gets tight on the desk or you want to trigger something from behind your blast shield :-P
[17:42] <davef> huh, both the 8GB and 4GB versions are now out of stock
[17:42] <zxmpi> everything is out of stock and not coming back anytime soon
[17:43] <waveform> that said they're a great first computer for kids (my daughter loves hers, though this may have to do with it having "a normal keyboard, not a weird one like daddy's" ... ahem :)
[17:43] <zxmpi> get her a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard :-D
[18:02] <daftykins> \o
[18:02] <zxmpi> hi de hi
[18:04] <daftykins> waveform: what's weird about your keyboard? :D
[18:05] <waveform> zxmpi, heh -- *all* the modifiers!
[18:05] <zxmpi> if you can't type 8000 charactes on your keyboard are you even trying to keyboard :-P
[18:07] <waveform> daftykins, it's a blank-capped ergodox running a custom firmware, so I can do silly things like type my email address(es) with a (modded) keypress
[18:07] <davef> I need that keyboard in my life
[18:07] <daftykins> hehe
[18:08] <daftykins> i enjoyed my blank das keyboard, but it drops vowels now and makes passwords impossible
[18:08] <zxmpi> those aren't cheap keyboards, what happened to it?
[18:09] <daftykins> nothing at all, though since it was new i had to employ a USB 'Y' cable as it didn't often get enough power to run from a single port
[18:10] <waveform> heh, I did have a blank das before this, but with cherry browns which were ... too quiet for me :)
[18:10] <daftykins> i think i saw some talk online of the controller boards failing by themselves
[18:10] <daftykins> ah yeah i had the blues, love them - i now have this steelseries board with reds and... whilst nicer for games, not a patch on the blues for typing
[18:12] <davef> Speaking of keyboards, what's a good one to get. I've been getting some simple Mech's from Cooler Master and Corsair, but never 100% satisfied. If I want to go uber awesome mech, where should I start?
[18:12] <zxmpi> i've always seen keyboards as very personal. what one person loves is anothers worst keyboard. 
[18:13] <zxmpi> clicky v spongy
[18:13] <daftykins> so long as we can all agree on UK layout being superior to US ;D
[18:14]  * zxmpi laughs in irish :-)
[18:14] <daftykins> can't even guess what the norm would be over there
[18:14] <daftykins> double height enter and pipe, \ down by Z though, clearly the right way!
[18:15] <zxmpi> kinda a british keyboard but with support for euro
[18:15] <daftykins> did they put it on the 3, supplanting the £ - or something else?
[18:15] <zxmpi> though sometimes you'll see a us keyboard BUT with support for euro AND pound
[18:15] <davef> I'm using US layout right now
[18:15]  * daftykins shudders ;)
[18:15] <zxmpi> usually alt-gr 4 for euro but it can move sometimes
[18:16] <daftykins> oh when you said support i thought you meant an easier method, i've always gotten euro that way
[18:17] <davef> My keyboard also has the euro symbol, no idea how to use it.
[18:18] <zxmpi> if it's on the 4 key beside the $ then the right alt button AND 4 should do it software permitting
[18:18] <davef> It's on the 5 key for some reason
[18:19] <zxmpi> sounds like an american standard all right. off by one :-)
[18:20] <davef> I like clicky keys, cherry blues.. so point me in a direction and i'll start looking.. I also like the 60% size, but will also consider TKL
[18:20] <zxmpi> i think you should write down your preferences and then look for a keyboard that matches rather than just look at keyboards
[18:22] <daftykins> kind of hard for anyone here to advise somewhere that'd be useful for you over there in .ca too
[18:37] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/gallery/L2ZsRuP
[18:46] <waveform> I'd ... hesitate to suggest my ergodox. I love it and I swear by it, by in that respect it's a bit like vim: I'd never willingly foist it on someone else!
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe, those look quite space age alright
[18:47] <daftykins> my approach is often that i'm not willing to do something so unique that using anyone else's (as is common with IT work) would become a chore
[18:47] <zxmpi> greatest thing about having a weird keyboard is that it means no one will ever try and use the computer at your desk >:-)
[18:47] <waveform> That said, it would be useful in pretty much any country ... assuming that a) you're happy tweaking and flashing firmwares and b) mad enough about keyboards to actually shell out for one (https://ergodox-ez.com/ ... they're *not* cheap)
[18:52] <waveform> as for discouraging casual users of my desk: yes, it does ... unless they're 6 years old ... or a cat
[18:53] <daftykins> :D
[18:53] <daftykins> i too suffer from the problem of cat chair theft
[18:54] <zxmpi> well cats and juveniles are 'discouraged' by giving them a decoy keyboard. :-P
[18:55] <daftykins> mine has managed to master trolling to the point where if i haven't heated up the little microwave puck that slips between her blanket on time, she makes my life hell until i do
[18:55] <zxmpi> get a usb warming pad and put it on your desk for cat to occup? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/dd/5e/43dd5e627da911573b3c464d0933bc30.jpg
[18:59] <zxmpi> ceefax lives! \o/ https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jan/05/text-appeal-ceefax-recreated-by-20-year-old-northern-irish-man
[19:00] <zxmpi> but site is down due to demand right now
[23:06] <davef> oh sweet! i miss the old teletext
[23:06] <daftykins> o0
[23:07] <davef> yeah, i'm old skool