[00:24] anyone know how to set two nvme drive to gen3 and a graphics card to gen3 because im convinced thats why my drive write speeds are so bad. [00:25] games are really jumpy [00:26] marc_: Not sure what you mean by "gen3". [00:27] gen1 gen2 gen3 [00:27] graphics card is currently set to gen2 [00:27] They're talking about PCIe generations, not sure why they're asking in #ubuntu though [00:28] Disconsented: Ah, PCI. I thought that was pretty hardware dependent, never seen it configurable. [00:28] PCI Express x16 Gen2 is what it says my card is set to and i want to set it to gen3 [00:29] It depends on the motherboard and its firmware largely [00:29] i looked in /ect and there is nothing in there i can write to set it to gen3 [00:30] you used to have to manually enable it in windows 7 as well [00:30] and windows 10 i believe === Hash is now known as EnchanterTim [00:31] marc_: That's not really relevant, Windows handles hardware very differently than Linux does. [00:31] nvidia released a utility to set card to gen3 [00:31] marc_: In Windows? [00:31] but i want to know how to do it on ubuntu [00:32] marc_: What has nvidia released for Linux? [00:33] go to google and type (nvidia enable gen3 ubuntu) and you will see what im harping on about [00:36] https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3135/kw/enable%20gen3/session/L3RpbWUvMTY0MTQyOTM4My9nZW4vMTY0MTQyOTM4My9zaWQvZlU0TGF4RmRfc2U1Qjd6MVN3S2labHladG91a1RwViU3RXpkMEEydFRBclhmNlhUZzRCX2tROHFvU1N0ZkowR3lkcl9ZaUU4cFNYWElBNlVVekdKVnAyYjhpR3ZLJTdFMENLV1lSVHF6S3d0dTFvRWRDM3E4azlMRTllUSUyMSUyMQ%3D%3D [00:38] jhutchins, I am rendering video from kdenlive, if that is 'transcoding' then yes I am :) [00:40] jhutchins more clearly: I am creating/editing a video in kdenlive, then when I am satisfied with that video, in the editor, I hit render. Then when it is done I have an mp4 or webm file that I can use to share with others. The rendering takes forever. I want to offload it to mule computers that will do the encoding for me instead of using my main pc so I can keep on creating more videos. [00:41] rendering/encoding for me* [00:49] I have my WiFi working for the Dell Alienware laptop. [00:50] All of you, along with people on some blogs have told me that it can't be done. [01:13] I have an external hdd which I encrypted with cryptsetup + LUKS, unlocked and opened the device, made an ext4 fs in it (size 100%, no root reserved blocks, temporarily no journal), and filled the whole fs by putting zeros into a file until no space was left in that fs. unmounted and locked that drive. now, photorec still finds over 5 GB of usable data/files. how can that be? [01:20] zenof: photorec is looking for sequences of bytes on disk that look like JFIF or something similar [01:20] zenof: you're going to have a handful of those byte sequences in a terabyte of random data [01:21] zenof: I suggest letting it "recover the files" and then try viewing them ;) you may find bugs in your photo viewing software.. [01:21] that's right and should work like this. but when it finds a jpeg header, it shouldn't find the whole jpeg, right?! [01:21] but it does! [01:22] not, this is why I am asking here. it recreates whole images. jpgs, pngs and xml files with plausible content. [01:23] with plausible content??? [01:23] that's not normal [01:23] if it would only find some jpg magic byte/ header sequences, I would be fine.. [01:24] they should be gibberish that decodes to noise, if it decodes to anything at all [01:24] yes, with png, where you can actually can see sunsets. and trees. [01:26] sure, that's what I thought, that my zeros would be turned into some noise. undistinguishable from real data. but it's not. [01:27] Take any picture file and try to read it with a text editor, and you'll see gibberish. [01:27] ELQEYNN, I can even open it in an image viewer an see the actual picture.... no gibberish. [01:29] by "photorec still finds over 5 GB of usable data/files" I didn't mean it just wrote them, and me thinking oh, there are actually files. I let photorec finish it's job, an inspected the recovered data. [01:30] I said, if you read a photo file in a *text* *editor*, you'll probably see gibberish. [01:31] I am sorry, I read "a picture" instead of "any picture". [01:32] so I thought you suggested I should open it in a text editor. but, well , this still doesn't explain why actual data/files could still be recovered from that device [01:36] any ideas? [01:37] the 'best' guess I've got left is something has noticed that you're writing zeros and will just update metadata on a file instead of actually doing the writing, and then the crypto layer doesn't get any blocks to write, either [01:39] What method did you use for "filled the whole fs by putting zeros into a file until no space was left" [01:41] as root 'cat /dev/zero > /mountpoint/zero.text' [01:43] Did you do something like sudo sync after? === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [01:46] yes, everything was synced. [01:48] Then I tend to lean towards sarnold's theory of only metadata being written [01:49] I am just about trying it again. what could prevent or notice I am writing only zeros? I mean, even if so, the fs wouldn't run out of space, if something between cat and the crypto layer would be that "smart", right? [01:51] There may also be some mechanism when the file exceeds available space which leaves unwritten data [01:52] hi [01:56] genii-core: fair point. but... shouldn't that be no more than the block size, and not adding up to several 100 mb of plausible data? [01:57] then there of course is some "space" I don't read that is used for the fs inodes that are unused when I have only one file on it. but still that much? [01:57] I have just asked in #linux but the channel is totally quiet [01:57] zenof: RAM gets filled first, then written .. so conceivably when the system realizes that the current chunk in memory exceeds the room remaining, the deficit could be up the amount of unwritten GB [01:57] so I hope it's okay if I also ask here [01:57] *read -> reach [01:58] even though I might have partially solved the issue already... please just tell me what you think [01:58] I was writing a bootable USB stick (flash drive) with a Ubuntu Server Image on it. - I used "dd if= of=" [01:58] however, "dd" got interrupted by a power outage [01:59] When I turned the computer back on, there was indeed data on the USB stick, and, 3 new partitions. [01:59] However, as the whole process of creating said bootable USB drive got interrupted by the power outage, I wanted to start over [01:59] so, I used "fdisk" and also "cfdisk" in order to try to erase all partitions. [01:59] However, that failed, due to errors with unmatching sizes or whatever [01:59] so, some damage happened [02:00] now I am "zeroing" the USB stick [02:00] will that help? [02:00] Nobrem: maybe, but usually you should just try to put that image on the stick again with dd. [02:00] sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb status=progress iflag=nocache oflag=direct bs=4096 [02:00] zenof, so, my step is not even needed? [02:01] the image (iso) itself contains/creates a partition table [02:01] Nobrem: After the partition table is wiped out, the zeroing is not doing much [02:01] genii-core, zenof: I cannot get rid of the current partition table [02:01] the current partition table is undeletable [02:02] Nobrem, you don't have to. just try to dd/cat the image to the pen drive again [02:02] zenof, I can "cat" an ISO image onto a pen drive?! [02:02] I have only used "cat" for text files so far [02:03] however, if that still fails, then there might be som severe damage to the pen drive [02:03] You can use dd with the same options you already used but then give it a count like 4 maybe to just zero the firat part of the drive. then sync, see what something like parted -l or fdisk -l says about the drive [02:04] ok! thank you! [02:04] one last question: Am I making the right call when installing the server version of Ubuntu? [02:04] I opted for the server version because I would like to use "trinity desktop environment" rather than Gnome (sorry!) [02:05] can I just go with the server version and install the rest manually? [02:05] Nobrem: Which version you install depends on usecase, usually [02:05] genii-core, desktop. But trinity-desktop rather than Gnome [02:05] Can I make my server installation into a nice desktop? [02:05] I usually install server with RAID1 and then install the desktop [02:05] ok, cool, then I can do that, too! [02:05] thank you! [02:06] Trinity is not well mainted the last few years [02:06] *maintained [02:10] genii-core, even if it were not maintained at all: I _love_ it [02:10] genii-core, there is nothing as good as trinity desktop's 1) taskbar 2) ALT+F2 dialogue [02:11] genii-core, in the new KDE, the tasks get sorted weirdly in the taskbar, the tabs on the "konsole" are too long, the ALT+F2 dialogue weird... [02:11] Nobrem: When KDE moved to 4.x I hung out as long as possible, even using Trinity myself for a while but it became unfeasible after a while to continue [02:11] So I really love Trinity Desktop (Kde 3) [02:11] genii-core, Tim and Slavek put in a lot of effort [02:11] genii-core, what is your alternative? Icewm? [02:12] Nobrem: No, my main DE is still KDE [02:12] mhm [02:12] no bashing... it's open source, free, and a lovely community [02:12] but Trinity is just my "one true love" [02:12] I just customize it a bit to be more like the old 3.x [02:12] genii-core, would you mind sending me a screenshot? [02:13] maybe you can convince me [02:13] just be sure that you don't send any personal information or personal photos in the background [02:13] I am interested in the ALT+F2 dialogue and the Taskbar [02:15] krunner still works [02:15] genii-core, but with the nice dropdown and being so fast? [02:15] krunner? [02:16] ELQEYNN, krunner is the ALT+F2 dialogue [02:16] genii-core, for example, in Trinity, I only get the commands suggested which I previously ran [02:16] so I can type "kw" and "kwrite" pops up and I click the arrow-down button and Enter and that's it [02:17] In KDE4, I always got a _lot_ of stuff going on in krunner even after disabling all I could [02:19] Nobrem: Once I disabled baloo file indexer it was a lot more tolerable [02:19] Is Trinity another Linux distro? [02:20] ELQEYNN, it is a fork of KDE 3.5 [02:20] ELQEYNN: Trinity is an independent effort to preserve the 3.x series of KDE, which was much beloved by some [02:20] ELQEYNN, I wouldn't risk talking about an other distro in the ubuntu channel ;) [02:21] Nobrem: screenshot doesn't want to preserve krunner popup and start menu [02:21] I don't need the start menu at all [02:21] genii-core, I don't even have a start menu [02:21] Well, properly probably #kubuntu :) [02:22] genii-core, well, let's be real, Ubuntu == Kubuntu [02:22] GNOME can have the look and feel of Windows. [02:22] HI! why is it after using dd if= one usb disk flash disk that is 16 gig in size and outputing it to a 256 gig usb flash disk, I end up running out of space on the copy? [02:22] ELQEYNN, yeah, that is indeed what everyone wants ;) [02:23] it ends up sucking up the whole disk [02:23] Does kde give the look and feel of Windows too? [02:24] Nobrem: I don't keep things on my desktop, but here's a screenshot anyways https://i.imgur.com/UYrUpr1.png [02:25] I don't keep anything on my desktop either. [02:25] thank you for the screenshot [02:25] ELQEYNN: KDE in general is less of a transition for Windows users than many other desktops, yes [02:25] genii-core, is the bug gone with the 2 rows? [02:25] genii-core, there was a bug in KDE 4 _many_ years ago which was marked as "won't fix" in the bug tracker [02:26] genii-core, when using 2 rows, and you open a new window, the minimized windows change position in the task bar [02:26] which made it so hard to find the windows [02:26] transhumanist: maybe do ls -l on the path you used in dd's of=... parameter -- I've seen that become a regular file more than once :) [02:26] Nobrem: I have grouping on for apps on the taskbar and it doesn't seem to be an issue [02:26] With a clickable icon for each software that one might want to run, that is the look and feel of Windows. [02:27] ELQEYNN, why would you even _want_ it to feel like Windows? [02:27] Nobrem: This machine is running Kubuntu 18.04 fairly well, and it's an Acer from 2008, Core2 Duo CPU and hard drives swapped out to SSDs, still works well [02:28] lovely [02:28] Oh ... it's what I wanted in the beginning. [02:29] ELQEYNN, the command line is your friend [02:29] Nobrem: There is a text entry box now when you click on the gears which I just use more than krunner these days [02:29] ELQEYNN, you can even edit videos in the command line (ffmpeg), do graphic editing (image magick), work on sounds (sox), copy (cp), move (mv), create directories (mkdir) and so on [02:29] genii-core, ok, I will give it a try [02:30] genii-core, is there any security risk involved in running trinity? [02:30] sarnold: seen what become a regular file? [02:30] Nobrem: Well, since it cannot use later apps where some issues were fixed, possibly [02:30] oh, ha, I have one question that I never found an answer to in all those years on Linux [02:31] stupid question, totally useless, but it boggles my mind. [02:31] is "more" the same as "less" or is there any difference? [02:31] grep ... | less vs grep ... | more [02:31] less is more.. but better [02:31] ..you can't scroll back up in more for instance, but you can in less [02:32] Nobrem: more cannot go 'back up', but less will [02:32] cool. So, I will set an alias, to make "more" "less" [02:32] thank you [02:32] Nobrem: the default with 'more' is to leave the contets of what you were looking at on your terminal when you quit; the default with 'less' is to erase the contents of what you were looking at when you quit [02:33] (I think 'more' probably doesn't even have a 'restore the previous contents of the terminal' option) [02:33] oh, good, too! [02:33] Nobrem: most tools will use a PAGER environment variable [02:33] what's that? === M4he is now known as mahe [02:33] so you could set PAGER=less in your shell startup scripts or whatever and they'll usually use it [02:34] sarnold, I think I am doing something really bad.... I set scripts into /usr/local/bin [02:34] that's fine, that's why it's there :) [02:34] oh, good :) [02:34] I never got used to aliases === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [02:42] Hi, I just found an issue with libaw-0.1-1 where it looks like it has typos in the dpkg config === taylor is now known as Guest620 === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 === pong is now known as beaver === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === mIk3_09 is now known as mIk3_08 [03:44] why am I sumetimes getting rhe "invalid nickserv command" when I am trying to post [03:45] jpmh: to post? [03:46] place a message here [03:47] can adding someone's gpg key be a security risk or is it harmless? [03:59] re [03:59] I am just running the installation of Ubuntu (Server) from a pen drive onto a newly bought, SECOND HAND computer [03:59] Now I have 2 questions: [04:00] 1) the installer does NOT offer me to Zero the harddrive.... how problematic is this in regards to a second hand computer? [04:00] should I stop the installation before beginning it and Zero the hard drive using some other means? [04:00] or is it not important to zero the HD ? [04:00] whether it's important or not is just up to what you are comfortable with [04:01] doesn't the installer offer a full format? that usually means zeroing [04:01] 2) Why is there no SWAP partition in the suggested setup? There is not a single SWAP space suggested [04:01] LjL, maybe the next step... maybe I am not that far (yet) [04:01] LjL, I am using the Server Edition of Ubuntu [04:01] LjL, it's a laptop, but I want a custom desktop manager so I wanted to be smart by using the non-graphical installer [04:01] maybe that just bites me in the *** [04:02] because the graphical installer can defintely zero a HD because it also lets me "test" ubuntu and then I can open up a command line [04:02] is it even important to zero it? [04:02] I never understood the benefit, but people in here told me it were important [04:02] not today, in the past [04:04] ...and why is there no SWAP partition suggested by the installer? [04:04] I would like to give it 32 GB of RAM [04:04] erm... swap [04:04] Nobrem, if you don't zero it, you may still have files, or pieces of files, on the drive, that are recoverable the day someone decides to recover it, belonging to the previous user [04:05] are you comfortable with that? it could be illegal content for all you know [04:05] oh! [04:05] ok, zeroing it is [04:05] as to the swap i've no idea, i haven't actually used ubuntu in some years [04:05] but i think these days people tend to shun swap [04:05] why so? [04:05] not sure if it's just a fad [04:06] I am going to do some 4K video cutting so I might need it? [04:06] probably because RAM is plentiful and swap is slow and tends to make the system fail more painfully (i.e. death by slowdown rather than just apps crashing) [04:06] you can add a swapfile later easily anyway [04:06] okay, then I rather buy more RAM [04:06] really?! #later [04:06] a swap partition isn't particularly necessary [04:06] okay, good, I believe you [04:06] LjL, would you mind holding on for ~2-3 min? [04:07] I must go back to the 2nd computer (the new one) [04:07] one moment please [04:07] sure [04:09] bad news [04:09] there was no zeroing option [04:09] the installation is running [04:10] could anyone from the internet use remainders of old files in order to hack into my computer? [04:10] Not easily [04:10] Not easily still sounds like an option [04:12] By the time someone gained enough access to your computer to recover old files it would already be compromised without bothering to recover anything old [04:12] ok great [04:12] thank you [04:13] The harddrive is LUKS encrypted [04:13] does that help? [04:13] (I set that during the installation) [04:13] by the way, Ubuntu has come a long way... the installation routine of the server edition is pretty awesome [04:14] Thank you, developers, if you are here :) [04:15] the installation is complete [04:15] Now I must try to get X running [04:24] Nobrem, i'm not sure if LUKS helps because i'm not sure if it zeroes the drive by default :P [04:24] but likely not [04:24] but as genii said you don't rick being broken into *because* of the old data on the hard drive, that's not a factor [04:24] perfect then [04:24] thank you [04:24] Guys, I love this server install [04:24] this is the best experience I have had in a long time [04:25] after restarting the computer, it was even _online_ (connected to my wifi) [04:25] "apt upgrade" works, meaning the right sources.list is in place [04:25] everything just works [04:25] this server installation should be the default, not this clicky-clicky installer [05:10] re [05:10] my ALT+F2 key combination does not do anything [05:10] what can I do to find out what's happening? [05:10] how can I check, if the ALT or the F2 key are broken? [05:13] Nobrem: Terminal command ' xev ' to track key assignments. [05:14] cool! thank you Bashing-om [05:14] ALT = keycode 64 [05:15] F2 = 39 [05:15] anything wrong? [05:15] Nobrem: :D [05:16] I am additionally hitting up the devs in #trinity-desktop [05:20] Nobrem: My F2 " state 0x0, keycode 68 (keysym 0xffbf, F2) " . [05:21] I wonder if I can re-assign the keys that open krunner [05:21] Bashing-om, Do you know, in what year KDE 3.5 ended? [05:21] Then I can search google by date range [05:22] KDE will give me more results that Trinity Desktop, I guess [05:22] *than [05:22] Nobrem: Not off the top of my head - thugh KDE was my intro to ubuntu - 9.04 :) [05:24] 2010 [05:24] Trinity Desktop forked from KDE 3.5 back in 2010 [05:24] so, I only need to find google results about krunner before 2010 [06:30] Hi, I want to submit a bug but I don't know how to proceed, is an audio related bug with my laptop and the docking station === packet_lozenge_ is now known as packetlozenge [08:28] yopuz: try filing it against pulseaudio [08:41] Hello, has anyone here experienced that the HDMI sound output is unavaible in the latest ubuntu budgie ? [08:43] Erilaz: sounds like a driver issue [08:44] ducasse: It worked before a update, and all my other sound devices work [08:44] were the graphics drivers or kernel updated? [08:45] I cannot recall, but all the updates are the latest. [08:45] you can check the logs in /var/log/apt, i'm just guessing though [08:46] its a HDA ATI 5000 something card [08:46] dmesg picks it up, and all the other devices [08:48] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xCW8NcKt9m/ [08:49] Erilaz did you look in the Audio mixer? [08:49] [AMD/ATI] Navi 14 [Radeon RX 5500/5500M / Pro 5500M] (rev c5) [08:49] Kbar: its not visible there. [08:51] according to the pulseaudio volume manager, its unplugged .. [08:54] I havent tried the official radeon driver. [08:55] gah, why is keyutils still not a Recommends of cifs-utils? new ubuntu version, DFS is still not working out of the box, because keyutils is a requirement for that [08:55] and an undocumented one to boot [08:57] oh wow, it is a Recommends, starting with impish, nice [09:04] gah.. amdgpu-lib cannot be found :/ === MrA is now known as Ders [09:43] hello [09:43] how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox? [09:44] i went to fire fox , at top of browser is the words bookmarks, first choice is manage book marks [09:45] i click that [09:45] i get a box that has title of libary [09:46] import and back up ,restore , choose file , i click that and nothing [09:46] so far linux is not a good time :( [09:47] plz help [09:47] be back in a few , needs coffee [09:57] what do I need to do so gpg remembers my passphrase for a time? I tried to run "gpg-agent" in terminal but it didn't do the trick... on 20.04 amd64 [10:02] ok why no help [10:02] hello? any one here [10:03] 1015 people here and nobody is saying any thing? [10:03] can you see the words im typing? [10:04] why does linux not work verry well? [10:04] i can see it [10:04] i thought it was stable and stuff like corporations use it ? [10:04] i need help ok ? [10:05] People are probably sleeping becauser its late. My whole work infrastructure runs on linux :) [10:05] linux need to do better if you want peple to use your softawre its anight mare [10:05] how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox [10:06] how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox [10:06] how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox [10:06] how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox [10:06] how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox [10:06] It should be as easy as plugging it in and then opening the file explorer app [10:07] webchat49, on irc people are sometimes in a different time-zone so it may literally take hours to get an answer (eg. you write from NY and get answer from tokyo) [10:07] maybe his flash drive is unreadable, like ntfs, fat...etc [10:07] otherwise probably the channel lacks contributors [10:07] webchat49: can you see your bookmark file? [10:07] webchat49, what format are your bookmarks on the usb in again? [10:08] oh, he's on +q mode [10:09] oh no [10:09] thanks TheRedQueen [10:09] at top of fire fox is words , book mark i go there , manage book marks go there , import book marks restore choose file i click that and nothing [10:09] webchat49, come again please? [10:09] at top of fire fox is words , book mark i go there , manage book marks go there , import book marks restore choose file i click that and nothing [10:10] webchat49, "select a bookmarks backup" window not appearing, right? [10:10] when i click choose file noting happens [10:10] webchat49, do you know your ubuntu and firefox version? [10:11] firefox 95.0.02 [10:12] ubuntu 20.04.3 lts [10:13] i have updated any thing i could find , i have loged out back in , reboot, shut down [10:16] import bookmarks from html does nothing also ? [10:17] :( [10:18] webchat49: what's your bookmark filename? [10:18] webchat49, do you have free space on your hard drive? [10:19] filename and extension [10:19] I had problems with firefox when I had 0 space left on my file system [10:19] 200 gigs free [10:20] webchat49: what's your file extenion? html or json? or something else? [10:21] i have both jason and html [10:21] fire fox wont open it? [10:22] i can go to file , open file click that and nothing [10:22] like the other stuff [10:22] Leoneof, webchat49's problem is the file selection window never appearing [10:22] ah [10:23] mncheck: he can copy html to profile folder, better than wasting hours [10:23] oh [10:24] please divide support questions with discussions [10:24] !discuss [10:24] Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [10:24] bookmarks,manage bookmarks,libary,importback up,restore , choose file, or import from html [10:24] nothing happens [10:26] has usb thumb drive open clicks movie it plays [10:26] clicks pics its aslide showe [10:26] drive works ok [10:28] copy and paste bookmarks to down loads folder [10:28] still cant fix issue [10:28] ok can you help with other issue [10:29] webchat49, I think Leoneof says that if you have a bookmarks-2021-12-34 and put it in the bookmarkbackups folder inside the profile directory then you will have that data in the restore menu besides choose file. you can go to your profiles folder by opening about:profiles in the firefox url bar and choosing the active profile's root directory "open directory" [10:29] when i have hdmi tv as second screnn it flickers every few seconds [10:30] webchat49, I copied my bookmarks-2021-12-34.json (not real filename) to /home/myuser/.mozilla/firefox/abcdef.default/bookmarksbackup and then in firefox manage bookmarks i saw it in the import back up restore menu [10:30] mncheck i have no idea what you said sorry [10:30] webchat49, yeah let me walk you through [10:31] webchat49, in firefox in the url bar you enter about:profiles [10:31] ok [10:32] webchat49, on that page, there is the text "This is the profile in use " [10:32] This is the profile in use and it cannot be deleted. [10:32] webchat49, that's it. below that text there is a box called "root directory" [10:33] do i open it ? [10:33] webchat49, there is a button "open directory". yes [10:33] webchat49, the directory should open... [10:33] lol [10:33] open directory does nothing [10:33] webchat49, hm [10:33] golf claps [10:33] :( [10:34] webchat49, in any case you can navigate to the path as shown above "open directory" [10:34] ty [10:34] webchat49, in the "Files" program I mean [10:34] its broken i guess [10:35] webchat49, in terminal I'd type "df -h / ~" [10:35] you mean the box that says files [10:36] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [10:36] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [10:36] oops [10:37] webchat49, ok let's try just one line at a time [10:37] ok [10:37] the trminal thingy [10:37] webchat49, in any case use% should be well less than 100% [10:38] size 219 , used 13 gig use 6% [10:39] webchat49, looks good [10:39] type reboot [10:39] reboot [10:39] orange1, already tried that [10:40] webchat49, what about "df -i / ~" [10:40] webchat49, "ifree" should be greater than 0 too (I have 30186721) [10:41] 14335896 [10:41] webchat49, good. [10:42] webchat49, ok, "df" was just a sanity check on my part [10:42] webchat49, back to "files" now. I mean the files and folder program... explorer, etc... it's called "files" in ubuntu 20.04 [10:43] ok i click files it a box with home desk top etc? [10:43] webchat49, yes [10:43] webchat49, first you go to Home [10:44] you mean click the words home ? [10:44]