[00:24] <marc_> anyone know how to set two nvme drive to gen3 and a graphics card to gen3 because im convinced thats why my drive write speeds are so bad.
[00:25] <marc_> games are really jumpy
[00:26] <jhutchins> marc_: Not sure what you mean by "gen3".
[00:27] <marc_> gen1 gen2 gen3
[00:27] <marc_> graphics card is currently set to gen2
[00:27] <Disconsented> They're talking about PCIe generations, not sure why they're asking in #ubuntu though
[00:28] <jhutchins> Disconsented: Ah, PCI.  I thought that was pretty hardware dependent, never seen it configurable.
[00:28] <marc_> PCI Express x16 Gen2 is what it says my card is set to and i want to set it to gen3
[00:29] <Disconsented> It depends on the motherboard and its firmware largely
[00:29] <marc_> i looked in /ect and there is nothing in there i can write to set it to gen3
[00:30] <marc_> you used to have to manually enable it in windows 7 as well
[00:30] <marc_> and windows 10 i believe
[00:31] <jhutchins> marc_: That's not really relevant, Windows handles hardware very differently than Linux does.
[00:31] <marc_> nvidia released a utility to set card to gen3
[00:31] <jhutchins> marc_: In Windows?
[00:31] <marc_> but i want to know how to do it on ubuntu
[00:32] <jhutchins> marc_: What has nvidia released for Linux?
[00:33] <marc_> go to google and type (nvidia enable gen3 ubuntu) and you will see what im harping on about
[00:36] <marc_> https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3135/kw/enable%20gen3/session/L3RpbWUvMTY0MTQyOTM4My9nZW4vMTY0MTQyOTM4My9zaWQvZlU0TGF4RmRfc2U1Qjd6MVN3S2labHladG91a1RwViU3RXpkMEEydFRBclhmNlhUZzRCX2tROHFvU1N0ZkowR3lkcl9ZaUU4cFNYWElBNlVVekdKVnAyYjhpR3ZLJTdFMENLV1lSVHF6S3d0dTFvRWRDM3E4azlMRTllUSUyMSUyMQ%3D%3D
[00:38] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, I am rendering video from kdenlive, if that is 'transcoding' then yes I am :)
[00:40] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins more clearly: I am creating/editing a video in kdenlive, then when I am satisfied with that video, in the editor, I hit render. Then when it is done I have an mp4 or webm file that I can use to share with others. The rendering takes forever. I want to offload it to mule computers that will do the encoding for me instead of using my main pc so I can keep on creating more videos.
[00:41] <MrCollinsGA> rendering/encoding for me*
[00:49] <ELQEYNN> I have my WiFi working for the Dell Alienware laptop.
[00:50] <ELQEYNN> All of you, along with people on some blogs have told me that it can't be done.
[01:13] <zenof> I have an external hdd  which I encrypted with cryptsetup + LUKS, unlocked and opened the device, made an ext4 fs in it (size 100%, no root reserved blocks, temporarily no journal), and filled the whole fs by putting zeros into a file until no space was left in  that fs. unmounted and locked that drive. now, photorec still finds over 5 GB of usable data/files. how can that be?
[01:20] <sarnold> zenof: photorec is looking for sequences of bytes on disk that look like JFIF or something similar
[01:20] <sarnold> zenof: you're going to have a handful of those byte sequences in a terabyte of random data
[01:21] <sarnold> zenof: I suggest letting it "recover the files" and then try viewing them ;) you may find bugs in your photo viewing software..
[01:21] <zenof> that's right and should work like this. but when it finds a jpeg header, it shouldn't find the whole jpeg, right?!
[01:21] <zenof> but it does!
[01:22] <zenof> not, this is why I am asking here. it recreates whole images. jpgs, pngs and xml files with plausible content.
[01:23] <sarnold> with plausible content???
[01:23] <sarnold> that's not normal
[01:23] <zenof> if it would only find some jpg magic byte/ header sequences, I would be fine..
[01:24] <sarnold> they should be gibberish that decodes to noise, if it decodes to anything at all
[01:24] <zenof> yes, with png, where you can actually can see sunsets. and trees.
[01:26] <zenof> sure, that's what I thought, that my zeros would be turned into some noise. undistinguishable from real data. but it's not.
[01:27] <ELQEYNN> Take any picture file and try to read it with a text editor, and you'll see gibberish.
[01:27] <zenof> ELQEYNN, I can even open it in an image viewer an see the actual picture.... no gibberish.
[01:29] <zenof> by "photorec still finds over 5 GB of usable data/files" I didn't mean it just wrote them, and me thinking oh, there are actually files. I let photorec finish it's job, an inspected the recovered data.
[01:30] <ELQEYNN> I said, if you read a photo file in a *text* *editor*, you'll probably see gibberish.
[01:31] <zenof> I am sorry, I read "a picture" instead of "any picture".
[01:32] <zenof> so I thought you suggested I should open it in a text editor. but, well , this still doesn't explain why actual data/files could still be recovered from that device
[01:36] <zenof> any ideas?
[01:37] <sarnold> the 'best' guess I've got left is something has noticed that you're writing zeros and will just update metadata on a file instead of actually doing the writing, and then the crypto layer doesn't get any blocks to write, either
[01:39] <genii-core> What method did you use for "filled the whole fs by putting zeros into a file until no space was left"
[01:41] <zenof> as root 'cat /dev/zero > /mountpoint/zero.text'
[01:43] <genii-core> Did you do something like sudo sync after?
[01:46] <zenof> yes, everything was synced.
[01:48] <genii-core> Then I tend to lean towards sarnold's theory of only metadata being written
[01:49] <zenof> I am just about trying it again. what could prevent or notice I am writing only zeros? I mean, even if so, the fs wouldn't run out of space, if something between cat and the crypto layer would be that "smart", right?
[01:51] <genii-core> There may also be some mechanism when the file exceeds available space which leaves unwritten data
[01:52] <Nobrem> hi
[01:56] <zenof> genii-core: fair point. but... shouldn't that be no more than the block size, and not adding up to several 100 mb of plausible data?
[01:57] <zenof> then there of course is some "space" I don't read that is used for the fs inodes that are unused when I have only one file on it. but still that much?
[01:57] <Nobrem> I have just asked in #linux but the channel is totally quiet
[01:57] <genii-core> zenof: RAM gets filled first, then written .. so conceivably when the system realizes that the current chunk in memory exceeds the room remaining, the deficit could be up the amount of unwritten GB
[01:57] <Nobrem> so I hope it's okay if I also ask here
[01:57] <zenof> *read -> reach
[01:58] <Nobrem> even though I might have partially solved the issue already... please just tell me what you think
[01:58] <Nobrem> I was writing a bootable USB stick (flash drive) with a Ubuntu Server Image on it.   -  I used  "dd if=  of="
[01:58] <Nobrem> however, "dd" got interrupted by a power outage
[01:59] <Nobrem> When I turned the computer back on,  there was indeed data on the USB stick, and,  3 new partitions.
[01:59] <Nobrem> However, as the whole process of creating said bootable USB drive got interrupted by the power outage, I wanted to start over
[01:59] <Nobrem> so, I used "fdisk" and also "cfdisk" in order to try to erase all partitions.
[01:59] <Nobrem> However, that failed, due to errors with unmatching sizes or whatever
[01:59] <Nobrem> so, some damage happened
[02:00] <Nobrem> now I am "zeroing" the USB stick
[02:00] <Nobrem> will that help?
[02:00] <zenof> Nobrem: maybe, but usually you should just try to put that image on the stick again with dd.
[02:00] <Nobrem> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb status=progress iflag=nocache oflag=direct bs=4096
[02:00] <Nobrem> zenof, so, my step is not even needed?
[02:01] <zenof> the image (iso) itself contains/creates a partition table
[02:01] <genii-core> Nobrem: After the partition table is wiped out, the zeroing is not doing much
[02:01] <Nobrem> genii-core, zenof:  I cannot get rid of the current partition table
[02:01] <Nobrem> the current partition table is undeletable
[02:02] <zenof> Nobrem, you don't have to. just try to dd/cat the image to the pen drive again
[02:02] <Nobrem> zenof, I can "cat" an ISO image onto a pen drive?!
[02:02] <Nobrem> I have only used "cat" for text files so far
[02:03] <zenof> however, if that still fails, then there might be som severe damage to the pen drive
[02:03] <genii-core> You can use dd with the same options you already used but then give it a count like 4 maybe to just zero the firat part of the drive. then sync, see what something like parted -l or fdisk -l says about the drive
[02:04] <Nobrem> ok! thank you!
[02:04] <Nobrem> one last question:  Am I making the right call when installing the server version of Ubuntu?
[02:04] <Nobrem> I opted for the server version because I would like to use "trinity desktop environment" rather than Gnome  (sorry!)
[02:05] <Nobrem> can I just go with the server version and install the rest manually?
[02:05] <genii-core> Nobrem: Which version you install depends on usecase, usually
[02:05] <Nobrem> genii-core, desktop.   But  trinity-desktop  rather than Gnome
[02:05] <Nobrem> Can I make my server installation into a nice desktop?
[02:05] <genii-core> I usually install server with RAID1 and then install the desktop
[02:05] <Nobrem> ok, cool, then I can do that, too!
[02:05] <Nobrem> thank you!
[02:06] <genii-core> Trinity is not well mainted the last few years
[02:06] <genii-core> *maintained
[02:10] <Nobrem> genii-core, even if it were not maintained at all:  I _love_ it
[02:10] <Nobrem> genii-core, there is nothing as good as trinity desktop's  1) taskbar  2) ALT+F2  dialogue
[02:11] <Nobrem> genii-core, in the new KDE, the tasks get sorted weirdly in the taskbar,  the tabs on the "konsole" are too long,  the ALT+F2 dialogue weird...
[02:11] <genii-core> Nobrem: When KDE moved to 4.x I hung out as long as possible, even using Trinity myself for a while but it became unfeasible after a while to continue
[02:11] <Nobrem> So I really love Trinity Desktop  (Kde 3)
[02:11] <Nobrem> genii-core, Tim and Slavek put in a lot of effort
[02:11] <Nobrem> genii-core, what is your alternative?  Icewm?
[02:12] <genii-core> Nobrem: No, my main DE is still KDE
[02:12] <Nobrem> mhm
[02:12] <Nobrem> no bashing... it's open source,  free, and a lovely community
[02:12] <Nobrem> but Trinity is just my "one true love"
[02:12] <genii-core> I just customize it a bit to be more like the old 3.x
[02:12] <Nobrem> genii-core, would you mind sending me a screenshot?
[02:13] <Nobrem> maybe you can convince me
[02:13] <Nobrem> just be sure that you don't send any personal information or personal photos in the background
[02:13] <Nobrem> I am interested in the ALT+F2 dialogue and the Taskbar
[02:15] <genii-core> krunner still works
[02:15] <Nobrem> genii-core, but with the nice dropdown and being so fast?
[02:15] <ELQEYNN> krunner?
[02:16] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, krunner is the ALT+F2 dialogue
[02:16] <Nobrem> genii-core, for example,  in Trinity,  I only get the commands suggested which I previously ran
[02:16] <Nobrem> so I can type "kw" and "kwrite" pops up and I click the arrow-down button and Enter and that's it
[02:17] <Nobrem> In KDE4, I always got a _lot_ of stuff going on in krunner even after disabling all I could
[02:19] <genii-core> Nobrem: Once I disabled baloo file indexer it was a lot more tolerable
[02:19] <ELQEYNN> Is Trinity another Linux distro?
[02:20] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, it is a fork of KDE 3.5
[02:20] <genii-core> ELQEYNN: Trinity is an independent effort to preserve the 3.x series of KDE, which was much beloved by some
[02:20] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, I wouldn't risk talking about an other distro in the ubuntu channel ;)
[02:21] <genii-core> Nobrem: screenshot doesn't want to preserve krunner popup and start menu
[02:21] <Nobrem> I don't need the start menu at all
[02:21] <Nobrem> genii-core, I don't even have a start menu
[02:21] <genii-core> Well, properly probably #kubuntu :)
[02:22] <Nobrem> genii-core, well, let's be real,  Ubuntu == Kubuntu
[02:22] <ELQEYNN> GNOME can have the look and feel of Windows.
[02:22] <transhumanist> HI! why is it after using dd if= one usb disk flash disk that is 16 gig in size and outputing it to  a 256 gig usb flash disk, I end up running out of space on the copy?
[02:22] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, yeah, that is indeed what everyone wants ;)
[02:23] <transhumanist> it ends up sucking up the whole disk
[02:23] <ELQEYNN> Does kde give the look and feel of Windows too?
[02:24] <genii-core> Nobrem: I don't keep things on my desktop, but here's a screenshot anyways https://i.imgur.com/UYrUpr1.png
[02:25] <Nobrem> I don't keep anything on my desktop either.
[02:25] <Nobrem> thank you for the screenshot
[02:25] <genii-core> ELQEYNN: KDE in general is less of a transition for Windows users than many other desktops, yes
[02:25] <Nobrem> genii-core, is the bug gone with the 2 rows?
[02:25] <Nobrem> genii-core, there was a bug in KDE 4 _many_ years ago which was marked as "won't fix" in the bug tracker
[02:26] <Nobrem> genii-core, when using 2 rows,  and you open a new window, the minimized windows change position in the task bar
[02:26] <Nobrem> which made it so hard to find the windows
[02:26] <sarnold> transhumanist: maybe do ls -l on the path you used in dd's of=... parameter -- I've seen that become a regular file more than once :)
[02:26] <genii-core> Nobrem: I have grouping on for apps on the taskbar and it doesn't seem to be an issue
[02:26] <ELQEYNN> With a clickable icon for each software that one might want to run, that is the look and feel of Windows.
[02:27] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, why would you even _want_ it to feel like Windows?
[02:27] <genii-core> Nobrem: This machine is running Kubuntu 18.04 fairly well, and it's an Acer from 2008, Core2 Duo CPU and hard drives swapped out to SSDs, still works well
[02:28] <Nobrem> lovely
[02:28] <ELQEYNN> Oh ... it's what I wanted in the beginning.
[02:29] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, the command line is your friend
[02:29] <genii-core> Nobrem: There is a text entry box now when you click on the gears which I just use more than krunner these days
[02:29] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, you can even edit videos in the command line (ffmpeg),  do graphic editing (image magick),  work on sounds (sox),  copy (cp),  move (mv), create directories (mkdir) and so on
[02:29] <Nobrem> genii-core, ok, I will give it a try
[02:30] <Nobrem> genii-core, is there any security risk involved in running trinity?
[02:30] <transhumanist> sarnold: seen what become a regular file?
[02:30] <genii-core> Nobrem: Well, since it cannot use later apps where some issues were fixed, possibly
[02:30] <Nobrem> oh, ha,  I have one question that I never found an answer to in all those years on Linux
[02:31] <Nobrem> stupid question, totally useless, but it boggles my mind.
[02:31] <Nobrem> is "more" the same as "less" or is there any difference?
[02:31] <Nobrem> grep ... | less   vs   grep ... | more
[02:31] <genii-core> less is more.. but better
[02:31] <genii-core> ..you can't scroll back up in more for instance, but you can in less
[02:32] <sarnold> Nobrem: more cannot go 'back up', but less will
[02:32] <Nobrem> cool. So, I will set an alias, to make "more" "less"
[02:32] <Nobrem> thank you
[02:32] <sarnold> Nobrem: the default with 'more' is to leave the contets of what you were looking at on your terminal when you quit; the default with 'less' is to erase the contents of what you were looking at when you quit
[02:33] <sarnold> (I think 'more' probably doesn't even have a 'restore the previous contents of the terminal' option)
[02:33] <Nobrem> oh, good, too!
[02:33] <sarnold> Nobrem: most tools will use a PAGER environment variable
[02:33] <Nobrem> what's that?
[02:33] <sarnold> so you could set PAGER=less  in your shell startup scripts or whatever and they'll usually use it
[02:34] <Nobrem> sarnold, I think I am doing something really bad....  I set scripts into  /usr/local/bin
[02:34] <sarnold> that's fine, that's why it's there :)
[02:34] <Nobrem> oh, good :)
[02:34] <Nobrem> I never got used to aliases
[02:42] <taylor> Hi, I just found an issue with libaw-0.1-1 where it looks like it has typos in the dpkg config
[03:44] <jpmh> why am I sumetimes getting rhe "invalid nickserv command" when I am trying to post
[03:45] <matsaman> jpmh: to post?
[03:46] <jpmh> place a message here
[03:47] <babyface> can adding someone's gpg key be a security risk or is it harmless?
[03:59] <Nobrem> re
[03:59] <Nobrem> I am just running the installation of Ubuntu (Server) from a pen drive onto a newly bought, SECOND HAND computer
[03:59] <Nobrem> Now I have 2 questions:
[04:00] <Nobrem> 1) the installer does NOT offer me to Zero the harddrive.... how problematic is this in regards to a second hand computer?
[04:00] <Nobrem> should I stop the installation before beginning it and Zero the hard drive using some other means?
[04:00] <Nobrem> or is it not important to zero the HD ?
[04:00] <LjL> whether it's important or not is just up to what you are comfortable with
[04:01] <LjL> doesn't the installer offer a full format? that usually means zeroing
[04:01] <Nobrem> 2) Why is there no SWAP partition in the suggested setup?  There is not a single SWAP space suggested
[04:01] <Nobrem> LjL, maybe the next step... maybe I am not that far (yet)
[04:01] <Nobrem> LjL, I am using the Server Edition of Ubuntu
[04:01] <Nobrem> LjL, it's a laptop, but I want a custom desktop manager so I wanted to be smart by using the non-graphical installer
[04:01] <Nobrem> maybe that just bites me in the ***
[04:02] <Nobrem> because the graphical installer can defintely zero a HD because it also lets me "test" ubuntu and then I can open up a command line
[04:02] <Nobrem> is it even important to zero it?
[04:02] <Nobrem> I never understood the benefit, but people in here told me it were important
[04:02] <Nobrem> not today, in the past
[04:04] <Nobrem> ...and why is there no SWAP partition suggested by the installer?
[04:04] <Nobrem> I would like to give it 32 GB of RAM
[04:04] <Nobrem> erm... swap
[04:04] <LjL> Nobrem, if you don't zero it, you may still have files, or pieces of files, on the drive, that are recoverable the day someone decides to recover it, belonging to the previous user
[04:05] <LjL> are you comfortable with that? it could be illegal content for all you know
[04:05] <Nobrem> oh!
[04:05] <Nobrem> ok, zeroing it is
[04:05] <LjL> as to the swap i've no idea, i haven't actually used ubuntu in some years
[04:05] <LjL> but i think these days people tend to shun swap
[04:05] <Nobrem> why so?
[04:05] <LjL> not sure if it's just a fad
[04:06] <Nobrem> I am going to do some 4K video cutting so I might need it?
[04:06] <LjL> probably because RAM is plentiful and swap is slow and tends to make the system fail more painfully (i.e. death by slowdown rather than just apps crashing)
[04:06] <LjL> you can add a swapfile later easily anyway
[04:06] <Nobrem> okay, then I rather buy more RAM
[04:06] <Nobrem> really?!  #later
[04:06] <LjL> a swap partition isn't particularly necessary
[04:06] <Nobrem> okay, good, I believe you
[04:06] <Nobrem> LjL, would you mind holding on for ~2-3 min?
[04:07] <Nobrem> I must go back to the 2nd computer (the new one)
[04:07] <Nobrem> one moment please
[04:07] <LjL> sure
[04:09] <Nobrem> bad news
[04:09] <Nobrem> there was no zeroing option
[04:09] <Nobrem> the installation is running
[04:10] <Nobrem> could anyone from the internet use remainders of old files in order to hack into my computer?
[04:10] <genii-core> Not easily
[04:10] <Nobrem> Not easily still sounds like an option
[04:12] <genii-core> By the time someone gained enough access to your computer to recover old files it would already be compromised without bothering to recover anything old
[04:12] <Nobrem> ok great
[04:12] <Nobrem> thank you
[04:13] <Nobrem> The harddrive is LUKS encrypted
[04:13] <Nobrem> does that help?
[04:13] <Nobrem> (I set that during the installation)
[04:13] <Nobrem> by the way,  Ubuntu has come a long way... the installation routine of the server edition is pretty awesome
[04:14] <Nobrem> Thank you, developers, if you are here :)
[04:15] <Nobrem> the installation is complete
[04:15] <Nobrem> Now I must try to get X running
[04:24] <LjL> Nobrem, i'm not sure if LUKS helps because i'm not sure if it zeroes the drive by default :P
[04:24] <LjL> but likely not
[04:24] <LjL> but as genii said you don't rick being broken into *because* of the old data on the hard drive, that's not a factor
[04:24] <Nobrem> perfect then
[04:24] <Nobrem> thank you
[04:24] <Nobrem> Guys, I love this server install
[04:24] <Nobrem> this is the best experience I have had in a long time
[04:25] <Nobrem> after restarting the computer, it was even _online_ (connected to my wifi)
[04:25] <Nobrem> "apt upgrade" works,  meaning the right  sources.list is in place
[04:25] <Nobrem> everything just works
[04:25] <Nobrem> this server installation should be the default,  not this clicky-clicky installer
[05:10] <Nobrem> re
[05:10] <Nobrem> my ALT+F2 key combination does not do anything
[05:10] <Nobrem> what can I do to find out what's happening?
[05:10] <Nobrem> how can I check, if the ALT or the F2 key are broken?
[05:13] <Bashing-om> Nobrem: Terminal command ' xev  ' to track key assignments.
[05:14] <Nobrem> cool!  thank you Bashing-om
[05:14] <Nobrem> ALT = keycode 64
[05:15] <Nobrem> F2 = 39
[05:15] <Nobrem> anything wrong?
[05:15] <Bashing-om> Nobrem: :D
[05:16] <Nobrem> I am additionally hitting up the devs in #trinity-desktop
[05:20] <Bashing-om> Nobrem: My F2 " state 0x0, keycode 68 (keysym 0xffbf, F2) " .
[05:21] <Nobrem> I wonder if I can re-assign the keys that open krunner
[05:21] <Nobrem> Bashing-om, Do you know, in what year KDE 3.5 ended?
[05:21] <Nobrem> Then I can search google by date range
[05:22] <Nobrem> KDE will give me more results that Trinity Desktop, I guess
[05:22] <Nobrem> *than
[05:22] <Bashing-om> Nobrem: Not off the top of my head - thugh KDE was my intro to ubuntu - 9.04 :)
[05:24] <Nobrem> 2010
[05:24] <Nobrem> Trinity Desktop forked from KDE 3.5 back in 2010
[05:24] <Nobrem> so, I only need to find google results about krunner before 2010
[06:30] <yopuz> Hi, I want to submit a bug but I don't know how to proceed, is an audio related bug with my laptop and the docking station
[08:28] <ducasse> yopuz: try filing it against pulseaudio
[08:41] <Erilaz> Hello, has anyone here experienced that the HDMI sound output is unavaible in the latest ubuntu budgie ?
[08:43] <ducasse> Erilaz: sounds like a driver issue
[08:44] <Erilaz> ducasse:  It worked before a update, and all my other sound devices work
[08:44] <ducasse> were the graphics drivers or kernel updated?
[08:45] <Erilaz> I cannot recall, but all the updates are the latest.
[08:45] <ducasse> you can check the logs in /var/log/apt, i'm just guessing though
[08:46] <Erilaz> its a HDA ATI 5000 something card
[08:46] <Erilaz> dmesg picks it up, and all the other devices
[08:48] <Erilaz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xCW8NcKt9m/
[08:49] <KBar> Erilaz did you look in the Audio mixer?
[08:49] <Erilaz>  [AMD/ATI] Navi 14 [Radeon RX 5500/5500M / Pro 5500M] (rev c5)
[08:49] <Erilaz> Kbar: its not visible there.
[08:51] <Erilaz> according to the pulseaudio volume manager, its unplugged ..
[08:54] <Erilaz> I havent tried the official radeon driver.
[08:55] <TomyWork> gah, why is keyutils still not a Recommends of cifs-utils? new ubuntu version, DFS is still not working out of the box, because keyutils is a requirement for that
[08:55] <TomyWork> and an undocumented one to boot
[08:57] <TomyWork> oh wow, it is a Recommends, starting with impish, nice
[09:04] <Erilaz> gah.. amdgpu-lib cannot be found :/
[09:43] <webchat49> hello
[09:43] <webchat49> how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox?
[09:44] <webchat49> i went to fire fox , at top of browser is the words bookmarks, first choice is manage book marks
[09:45] <webchat49> i click that
[09:45] <webchat49> i get a box that has title of libary
[09:46] <webchat49> import and back up ,restore , choose file , i click that and nothing
[09:46] <webchat49> so far linux is not a good time :(
[09:47] <webchat49> plz help
[09:47] <webchat49> be back in a few , needs coffee
[09:57] <mncheck> what do I need to do so gpg remembers my passphrase for a time? I tried to run "gpg-agent" in terminal but it didn't do the trick... on 20.04 amd64
[10:02] <webchat49> ok why no help
[10:02] <webchat49> hello? any one here
[10:03] <webchat49> 1015 people here and nobody is saying any thing?
[10:03] <webchat49> can you see the words im typing?
[10:04] <webchat49> why does linux not work verry well?
[10:04] <idkau> i can see it
[10:04] <webchat49> i thought it was stable and stuff like corporations use it ?
[10:04] <webchat49> i need help ok ?
[10:05] <idkau> People are probably sleeping becauser its late. My whole work infrastructure runs on linux :)
[10:05] <webchat49> linux need to do better if you want peple to use your softawre its anight mare
[10:05] <webchat49> how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox
[10:06] <webchat49> how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox
[10:06] <webchat49> how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox
[10:06] <webchat49> how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox
[10:06] <webchat49> how do i get book marks from usb drive to fire fox
[10:06] <idkau> It should be as easy as plugging it in and then opening the file explorer app
[10:07] <mncheck> webchat49, on irc people are sometimes in a different time-zone so it may literally take hours to get an answer (eg. you write from NY and get answer from tokyo)
[10:07] <Leoneof> maybe his flash drive is unreadable, like ntfs, fat...etc
[10:07] <mncheck> otherwise probably the channel lacks contributors
[10:07] <Leoneof> webchat49: can you see your bookmark file?
[10:07] <mncheck> webchat49, what format are your bookmarks on the usb in again?
[10:08] <Leoneof> oh, he's on +q mode
[10:09] <mncheck> oh no
[10:09] <mncheck> thanks TheRedQueen
[10:09] <webchat49> at top of fire fox is words , book mark i go there , manage book marks go there , import book marks restore choose file i click that and nothing
[10:09] <mncheck> webchat49, come again please?
[10:09] <webchat49> at top of fire fox is words , book mark i go there , manage book marks go there , import book marks restore choose file i click that and nothing
[10:10] <mncheck> webchat49, "select a bookmarks backup" window not appearing, right?
[10:10] <webchat49> when i click choose file noting happens
[10:10] <mncheck> webchat49, do you know your ubuntu and firefox version?
[10:11] <webchat49> firefox 95.0.02
[10:12] <webchat49> ubuntu 20.04.3 lts
[10:13] <webchat49> i have updated any thing i could find , i have loged out back in , reboot, shut down
[10:16] <webchat49> import bookmarks from html does nothing also ?
[10:17] <webchat49> :(
[10:18] <Leoneof> webchat49: what's your bookmark filename?
[10:18] <mncheck> webchat49,  do you have free space on your hard drive?
[10:19] <Leoneof> filename and extension
[10:19] <mncheck> I had problems with firefox when I had 0 space left on my file system
[10:19] <webchat49> 200 gigs free
[10:20] <Leoneof> webchat49: what's your file extenion? html or json? or something else?
[10:21] <webchat49> i have both jason and html
[10:21] <webchat49> fire fox wont open it?
[10:22] <webchat49> i can go to file , open file click that and nothing
[10:22] <webchat49> like the other stuff
[10:22] <mncheck> Leoneof, webchat49's problem is the file selection window never appearing
[10:22] <Leoneof> ah
[10:23] <Leoneof> mncheck: he can copy html to profile folder, better than wasting hours
[10:23] <mncheck> oh
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> please divide support questions with discussions
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[10:24] <webchat49> bookmarks,manage bookmarks,libary,importback up,restore , choose file, or import from html
[10:24] <webchat49> nothing happens
[10:26] <webchat49> has usb thumb drive open clicks movie it plays
[10:26] <webchat49> clicks pics its aslide showe
[10:26] <webchat49> drive works ok
[10:28] <webchat49> copy and paste bookmarks to down loads folder
[10:28] <webchat49> still cant fix issue
[10:28] <webchat49> ok can you help with other issue
[10:29] <mncheck> webchat49, I think Leoneof says that if you have a bookmarks-2021-12-34 and put it in the bookmarkbackups folder inside the profile directory then you will have that data in the restore menu besides choose file. you can go to your profiles folder by opening about:profiles in the firefox url bar and choosing the active profile's root directory "open directory"
[10:29] <webchat49> when i have hdmi tv as second screnn it flickers every few seconds
[10:30] <mncheck> webchat49, I copied my bookmarks-2021-12-34.json (not real filename) to /home/myuser/.mozilla/firefox/abcdef.default/bookmarksbackup and then in firefox manage bookmarks i saw it in the import back up restore menu
[10:30] <webchat49> mncheck i have no idea what you said sorry
[10:30] <mncheck> webchat49, yeah let me walk you through
[10:31] <mncheck> webchat49, in firefox in the url bar you enter about:profiles
[10:31] <webchat49> ok
[10:32] <mncheck> webchat49, on that page, there is the text "This is the profile in use "
[10:32] <webchat49> This is the profile in use and it cannot be deleted.
[10:32] <mncheck> webchat49, that's it. below that text there is a box called "root directory"
[10:33] <webchat49> do i open it ?
[10:33] <mncheck> webchat49, there is a button "open directory". yes
[10:33] <mncheck> webchat49, the directory should open...
[10:33] <webchat49> lol
[10:33] <webchat49> open directory does nothing
[10:33] <mncheck> webchat49, hm
[10:33] <webchat49> golf claps
[10:33] <webchat49> :(
[10:34] <mncheck> webchat49, in any case you can navigate to the path as shown above "open directory"
[10:34] <webchat49> ty
[10:34] <mncheck> webchat49, in the "Files" program I mean
[10:34] <webchat49> its broken i guess
[10:35] <mncheck> webchat49, in terminal I'd type "df -h / ~"
[10:35] <webchat49> you mean the box that says files
[10:36] <webchat49> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:36] <webchat49> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:36] <webchat49> oops
[10:37] <mncheck> webchat49, ok let's try just one line at a time
[10:37] <webchat49> ok
[10:37] <webchat49> the trminal thingy
[10:37] <mncheck> webchat49, in any case use% should be well less than 100%
[10:38] <webchat49> size 219 , used 13 gig use 6%
[10:39] <mncheck> webchat49, looks good
[10:39] <orange1> type reboot
[10:39] <webchat49> reboot
[10:39] <mncheck> orange1, already tried that
[10:40] <mncheck> webchat49, what about "df -i / ~"
[10:40] <mncheck> webchat49, "ifree" should be greater than 0 too (I have 30186721)
[10:41] <webchat49> 14335896
[10:41] <mncheck> webchat49, good.
[10:42] <mncheck> webchat49, ok, "df" was just a sanity check on my part
[10:42] <mncheck> webchat49, back to "files" now. I mean the files and folder program... explorer, etc... it's called "files" in ubuntu 20.04
[10:43] <webchat49> ok i click files it a box with home desk top etc?
[10:43] <mncheck> webchat49, yes
[10:43] <mncheck> webchat49, first you go to Home
[10:44] <webchat49> you mean click the words home ?
[10:44] <mncheck> webchat49, yes. then if you scroll through the folders there should be one called ".mozilla"
[10:44] <webchat49> it does nothing when clicked
[10:45] <mncheck> webchat49, what about pressing Ctrl with L ?
[10:45] <webchat49> ok i get a space to type
[10:45] <mncheck> webchat49, great
[10:46] <mncheck> webchat49, you need to copy from firefox what it says in the blue root directory box to that space
[10:46] <webchat49> what ?
[10:47] <mncheck> webchat49, that space to type you got from ctrl with L is called "path"
[10:47] <mncheck> webchat49, we need to fill the path with data from firefox
[10:48] <webchat49> what do i need to put in space?
[10:48] <mncheck> webchat49, in firefox there was that page with the "open directory" button, above the button there is a text like "/home/myuser/.mozilla/......"
[10:49] <mncheck> webchat49, do you still have the page with the "open directory" button in firefox?
[10:50] <webchat49> about profiles?
[10:50] <mncheck> webchat49, yes that one
[10:50] <webchat49> copy root or local?
[10:50] <mncheck> root
[10:51] <webchat49> ok ready
[10:52] <mncheck> webchat49, ok, the window with the space to type is called "Files" in ubuntu 20.04
[10:52] <zamba> anyone in here savvy with trying to figure out why my beefed-up cloud server gets high load now and then?
[10:52] <KBar> !cookie | mncheck
[10:52] <mncheck> webchat49, when you pasted the text Files should switched to the new folder
[10:52] <KBar> The question wasn't related to Ubuntu at all, but thanks for helping out, nonetheless.
[10:52] <mncheck> webchat49, maybe by pressing enter
[10:53] <webchat49> i see files like book marks browser exstensions etc
[10:53] <mncheck> webchat49, great
[10:53] <mncheck> webchat49, there should be one called "bookmarksbackups"
[10:53] <webchat49> so drag the files to book mark folder?
[10:54] <mncheck> webchat49, what I did was I dragged bookmarks-2021-12-34.json into bookmarksbackups
[10:55] <mncheck> webchat49, do you have "bookmarksbackups" full or just "bookmarks"? because I only have bookmarkbackups
[10:56] <webchat49> lol that did nothing
[10:57] <mncheck> webchat49, if you drag the json into bookmarksbackups, it should show up in the "restore" menu above "choose file"
[10:57] <mncheck> webchat49, I think you need to restart firefox after you dragged the files
[10:57] <webchat49> it is in restore list i click it , fire fox ask me if i want to do this , not corect wording
[10:58] <webchat49> i click restore and nothing
[10:58] <mncheck> webchat49, ah
[10:58] <webchat49> it looks to be in the restore list
[10:58] <mncheck> webchat49, so it is on the restore list
[10:58] <webchat49> but nothing happens when i click it
[10:58] <mncheck> webchat49, I see
[10:59] <mncheck> webchat49, in firefox on the "about:profiles" page there is a button "create a new profile"
[11:00] <mncheck> webchat49, maybe your current profile got corrupted and by creating a new one we can see if you get more luck
[11:01] <mncheck> webchat49, does the "create a new profile" button work?
[11:01] <webchat49> new profile made
[11:01] <mncheck> webchat49, in firefox on the "about:profiles" page, you can launch each profile in a new browser
[11:02] <mncheck> webchat49, I have three profiles, and have three "launch profile in new browser" buttons if I scroll through that page
[11:02] <mncheck> webchat49, you should launch the newly created profile
[11:03] <webchat49> when i click launch it open a differne t fire fox , not like this one
[11:03] <mncheck> webchat49, that's intended
[11:04] <mncheck> webchat49, in the different new firefox you should try to import the bookmarks
[11:04] <mncheck> webchat49, the only option there would be choose files
[11:05] <mncheck> webchat49, can you see if it works in the new different firefox?
[11:06] <webchat49> that was worse lol
[11:06] <mncheck> webchat49, how so?
[11:06] <webchat49> same problems in other one to :(
[11:06] <mncheck> webchat49, I see
[11:07] <webchat49> wont let me open stuff same as before
[11:07] <webchat49> im so sorry you wasrted your time
[11:07] <mncheck> webchat49, I see. you can close the new different firefox now
[11:07] <mncheck> webchat49, no problem
[11:07] <mncheck> webchat49, in the original firefox in the "Help" menu there is "troubleshoot mode"
[11:08] <mncheck> webchat49, if you go into "troubleshoot mode" it will restart your firefox and you can try importing the bookmarks, see if it works
[11:08] <webchat49> ok ill try ty
[11:08] <webchat49> have a nice day
[11:09] <Leoneof> you can copy bookmark-xxxxxx.html , rename it to bookmark.html, then copy to your mozilla profile
[11:09] <Leoneof> ouch!
[11:09] <mncheck> Leoneof, I think webchat49 quit
[11:09] <mncheck> Leoneof, probably out of time
[11:09] <mncheck> Leoneof, same as me :)
[11:09] <Leoneof> -_-
[11:10] <Leoneof> hi webchat76
[11:10] <webchat76> :(  no luck with troubleshoot firefox now i have lost all settings and changes
[11:11] <mncheck> webchat76, if you close the trobleshoot mode they might come back on next firefox
[11:11] <mncheck> webchat76, unless you clicked the wrong button :(
[11:12] <mncheck> webchat76, maybe try reinstall firefox, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/57682/
[11:12] <webchat76> i clicked that and it reset fire fox to new and still it wont let me import book marks the file lokks to be there when i click nothing
[11:12] <mncheck> webchat76, I am very sorry then for your settings
[11:12] <mncheck> webchat76, that's one evil button
[11:12] <webchat76> no worrys
[11:12] <mncheck> webchat76, should have warned you
[11:12] <webchat76> im just suprised how bad linux is
[11:13] <mncheck> webchat76, these normally work
[11:13] <webchat76> i have an older pc and it dosent work right with liux either
[11:13] <webchat76> socket 775
[11:13] <mncheck> webchat76, if linux is indeed bad then that would be for different reasons, this case sounds special
[11:14] <webchat76> this pc is older also but supiort eneded in 2018
[11:14] <mncheck> webchat76, I won't say it's not bad but what happens here is not normal
[11:14] <webchat76> ive never had linux work corectly
[11:14] <mncheck> webchat76, anyway I was thinking reinstalling firefox
[11:14] <mncheck> webchat76, I picked this page https://askubuntu.com/questions/57682/
[11:15] <webchat76> no im not reinstalling any thing
[11:15] <webchat76> it was installed less than aweek ago same as the oss
[11:15] <webchat76> os
[11:15] <mncheck> webchat76, I'm thinking maybe the files are corrupted
[11:16] <webchat76> im sorry its to much to deal with
[11:16] <webchat76> if i need internet ill go to the libary
[11:16] <webchat76> intenet user from 1995 to 2021
[11:16] <webchat76> wont use windowes 10 its maleware spyware
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[11:17] <webchat76> , i never thought i would see the day i couldnt use the internet any more
[11:18] <mncheck> webchat76, ok. anyway I'm trying this command to check and reinstall any corrupt files: sudo bash -c "apt install debsums && apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -S $(debsums -c) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u)"
[11:18] <webchat76> well its been fun pulls plugs from pc not even gona shut down
[11:18] <mncheck> webchat76, wait, wrong command
[11:18] <mncheck> webchat76, so the command is: sudo bash -c 'apt install debsums && apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -S $(debsums -c) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u)'
[11:19] <mncheck> webchat76, yeah sad state of things
[11:22] <mncheck> webchat76, best I can offer is to schedule some help time for later
[11:23] <mncheck> or maybe my command works wonders
[11:24] <mncheck> KBar, this broken state of browser is an ubuntu problem enough for me
[11:25] <mncheck> KBar, file chooser dialog should work in any application
[11:39] <emanuele> hi all
[11:39] <emanuele> someone can help me fixing my grub2 options?
[11:40] <oerheks> maybe, did you read the manual first?
[11:40] <oerheks> !grub
[11:40] <emanuele> of course
[11:40] <emanuele> and I dont know why it always appear
[11:41] <emanuele> GRUB_TIMEOUT is set to 0
[11:42] <emanuele> I really dont understand how to set GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE that now is "hidden"
[11:43] <EriC^^> emanuele: can you pastebin 'cat /etc/default/grub' ?
[11:43] <emanuele> yes...
[11:44] <oerheks> quick_boot="0"
[11:44] <oerheks> This will prevent in multi OS'es cases from changing the timeout value to 10seconds..
[11:44] <oerheks> could be an other OS triggering the menu
[11:44] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1239903/how-to-disable-grub-menu-at-boot-time-in-ubuntu-20-04
[11:45] <emanuele> # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
[11:45] <emanuele> # /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[11:45] <emanuele> # For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
[11:45] <emanuele> #   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
[11:45] <emanuele> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[11:45] <emanuele> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[11:45] <ThinkT510> !paste
[11:46] <EriC^^_> emanuele sorry i got dc, can you repaste the link?
[11:49] <kedar_apte> When using enterprise login to login to UBuntu Desktop - I have observed that unless one account is manually added in the users section, domain login does not work.....For e.g .... If i have to allow a laptop to be used by domain users, I have to add one domain user in the Add User section. Once that user is added, any other user with a romaing profile on the AD can login on the laptop even if the user is not manually added on the machine through the add
[11:49] <kedar_apte> user section
[11:50] <emanuele> im sorry
[11:50] <kedar_apte> is this an expected behaviour or once the machine is on domain at the time of installation, any user with a romaing profile should be abel to loign to the laptop even though the domain user is not manually added on the laptop
[11:51] <oerheks> what is 'enterprise login'??
[11:52] <kedar_apte> AD login.... 20.04 allows us to join the domain at the time of installing the OS
[11:52] <oerheks> oke, thank you
[11:53] <kedar_apte> At installtion the installer installer installs all the required packages to join the domain seamlessly
[11:56] <ravage> Except that installer options there seems to be almost no information about the AD login. I never tried it myself
[11:56] <ravage> Maybe someone has more information about it
[12:04] <ELQEYNN> kadar, what do you mean by enterprise log-in to ubuntu?
[12:05] <zenof> ELQEYNN, sarnold : you remember me filling up my encrypted device with zeros? now I have filled it with data from /dev/urandom. entire disk. checked the filled file size, and did a 'tail random.text' to see if there it is actually filled with random stuff. still, photorec finds the same stuff it did before on that device...
[12:05] <Aarch64debian> !info photores
[12:06] <Aarch64debian> !info photorec
[12:06] <oerheks> Aarch64debian, you can do that in DM
[12:06] <ELQEYNN> I don't know what "impish" is. I have seen it a lot around ubuntu.
[12:07] <Aarch64debian> if you format disk, they can offer you to wipe data
[12:08] <oerheks> ELQEYNN, but you posted yesterday https:://termbin.com/cl91
[12:08] <oerheks> lolz, catch a troll when you can
[12:10] <ELQEYNN> That looks like the file /etc/os-***<something>.
[12:11] <ELQEYNN> oh, ... /etc/os-release
[12:15] <ELQEYNN> The term "impish" means "inclined to do slightly naughty things for fun; mischievous" ... according to what Google got from the dictionary.
[12:15] <ELQEYNN> And now I see that word around ubuntu...  That looks funny, to say the least.
[12:16] <ogra> ELQEYNN, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/04/ubuntu-21-10-codename-revealed
[12:16] <zenof> finding data that should have vanished isn't slightly naughty... a nightmare rather it is. :-/
[12:18] <ogra> ELQEYNN, also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames (though that is missing the latest ones)
[12:19] <kedar_apte> ELQEYNN: Enterprise  login means - getting enterprise users to login to Active Directory on their ubuntu computers
[12:23] <ogra> ravage, perhaps https://github.com/ubuntu/adsys/wiki helps ?
[12:25] <ogra> kedar_apte, ^^^ for you too ....
[12:26] <ravage> That's at least something. I don't plan to use it but now I know where to look :)
[12:32] <Maik> ELQEYNN: get you stuff over to #ubuntu-discuss since it seems your chatter doesn't look like you're asking for support with Ubuntu.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:26] <stevenm_> Anyone know a thing or two about polkit rules and actions here?   I'm trying to write rule that overrides the <allow_any> value of any action to match that of <allow_active>... basically because a *hit tonne of polkit actions break if used you're not actually sitting at the PC itself (e.g. using vnc/rdp/nx etc...)
[13:30] <mannequin> firefox esr should be in default repo
[13:30] <mannequin> non-esr releases are not usable
[13:33] <oerheks> sure they are usable. but you can install it with snap; sudo snap install firefox --channel=esr/stable
[13:33] <oerheks> =91
[13:41] <KBar> oerheks: snap haters coming in 3... 2... 1...
[13:42] <oerheks> hop distro then
[13:49] <mannequin> oerheks: nifty
[14:41] <merpnderp> I'm on ubuntu 20.04 and need to figure out if /tmp is mounted by systemd. Anyone know how I'd check?
[14:42] <merpnderp> I think the two possibilities are fstab or systems.
[14:42] <merpnderp> systemd
[14:42] <EriC^^> df -h /tmp should show some info
[14:43] <EriC^^> oh, nevermind
[14:43] <ioria> probsbly systemctl --all | grep  tmp
[14:43] <ioria> *probsbly
[14:44] <oerheks> See the man page for systemd.mount
[14:44] <ioria> or cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
[14:45] <oerheks> why the question ?
[14:45] <merpnderp> oerheks: I'm in sys admin hell. Trying to figure out how to remediate all these security issues our scanner found.
[14:45] <merpnderp> But I'm not a sys admin.
[14:46] <merpnderp> But I refuse to believe that a vanilla install of Ubuntu has like 75 major security vulnerabilities.
[14:46] <EriC^^> merpnderp: type 'cat /etc/fstab' it should show if /tmp is there
[14:46] <leftyfb> merpnderp: trying to appease a security scanner != good security
[14:46] <merpnderp> EriC^^: thanks
[14:47] <nucc1> ^^ you need some nuance to tell whether something a scanner flagged is truly a vulnerability
[14:47] <merpnderp> EriC^^: oh right, already looked in fstab. No mention of tmp
[14:47] <merpnderp> But we have a /tmp. My tmux session is in it.
[14:47] <nucc1> merpnderp what was the scanner complaint about /tmp ?
[14:47] <EriC^^> merpnderp: what does 'df /tmp' show for mountpoint?
[14:49] <merpnderp> EriC^^: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv
[14:49] <merpnderp> nucc1: "Ensure nodev option set on /tmp partition"
[14:49] <EriC^^> merpnderp: what's it say under "mounted on" ?
[14:49] <merpnderp> EriC^^: /
[14:49] <EriC^^> aha
[14:50] <EriC^^> so it's actually not mounted, it's part of the rootfs
[14:50] <merpnderp> That sounds wrong.
[14:50] <merpnderp> But only in a way I don't care about.
[14:50] <EriC^^> by default ubuntu wouldnt create a /tmp partition, someone would have to manually partition it that way
[14:50] <merpnderp> If someone hacks this machine and fills up all the disk in /tmp, then good. They at least let me know it was hacked.
[14:51] <EriC^^> the guys in #ubuntu-server might know more about this topic, fwiw
[14:51] <merpnderp> Okay, thank yo.
[15:04] <nucc1> merpnderp you shoudl look at man systemd-tmpfiles
[15:04] <merpnderp> nucc1: Thanks.
[15:05] <nucc1> i'm not sure if that's relevant, but systemd is relevant to the /tmp on recent ubuntus
[15:05] <nucc1> that might be a good place to start if you need to change the settings
[15:09] <merpnderp> nucc1: it doesn't look it does the mounting though.
[15:09] <nucc1> merpnderp it definitely does. what version of ubuntu?
[15:09] <nucc1> on my 20.04, it does.
[15:09] <merpnderp> 20.04 server
[15:10] <merpnderp> Sorry that man page made me think all it did was configure it.
[15:10] <merpnderp> I can't find the config file
[15:10] <nucc1> what's a good paste bin nowadays?
[15:11] <nucc1> have a look at /usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
[15:11] <merpnderp> I don't know. https://pastebin.com ?
[15:11] <nucc1> i think it mounts tmpfile with nodev already
[15:11] <merpnderp> Ubuntu has one, but you have to create an account to use it.
[15:11] <nucc1> so could well be an issue with your vulnerability scanner
[15:12] <nucc1> for example, if it's looking for the definition of /tmp in /etc/fstab, then it won't find it
[15:12] <nucc1> also, if you run "cat /etc/mtab" , you will see that tmpfs already has "nodev" flag.
[15:13] <merpnderp> What about remount?
[15:13] <merpnderp> Apparently I need that too
[15:13] <nucc1> i am not sure i see how it's relevant...
[15:13] <nucc1> is remount even a tool?
[15:13] <nucc1> i mean, to remount, you just call mount again
[15:14] <nucc1> perhaps you should clarify what you mean by remount
[15:14] <nucc1> or what exactly you need to address about it
[15:14] <merpnderp> no idea. In the remediation guide from the scanner I'm supposed to do this: mount -o remount,nodev /tmp
[15:14] <merpnderp> Or edit: /etc/systemd/system/local-fs.target.wants/tmp.mount and add: Options=mode=1777,strictatime,noexec,nodev,nosuid
[15:14] <nucc1> remount in that context means "allow possibility to remount the filesystem with different options"
[15:14] <merpnderp> Only that file doesn't exist.
[15:14] <nucc1> that's a pointless stipulation in my view.
[15:15] <nucc1> so, systemd on ubuntu 2004 already ships with a built-in way to mount tmpfs
[15:15] <merpnderp> Oh, this whole exercise seems pointless. I haven't seen any security issues that seem real to me so far and I've remediated 77 issues so far.
[15:15] <nucc1> if you want to change what ubuntu does by default, you will need to copy the shipped service file
[15:15] <nucc1> and edit it to your desired spec
[15:15] <nucc1> there should be tutorials online for how to do that
[15:15] <nucc1> you also have to disable the default service of course
[15:15] <merpnderp> I'd likely quit my job before doing that :)
[15:16] <nucc1> merpnderp i think that the ubuntu configuration is already secure
[15:16] <merpnderp> I agree 100%
[15:16] <nucc1> and that tool is just sending you on a wild goose chase
[15:16] <merpnderp> absolutely
[15:16] <nucc1> you should have the confidence to point that out
[15:16] <nucc1> you don't have to tick every box. the tool is not a security expert
[15:16] <merpnderp> But if we want to migrate from windows to ubuntu we have to made the security team happy.
[15:17] <nucc1> if the security team doesn't undertand the flaws of their favourite scanner, then you have a tough time ahead
[15:17] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: what are they unhappy about?
[15:18] <merpnderp> gordonjcp: that none of these security issues seem very concerning and I've been tasked with fixing them all even though I'm definitely no sys admin, let alone a linux sys admin.
[15:18] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: okay, but what security issues are they saying they have?
[15:18] <merpnderp> I mean who cares if someone fills up /tmp's disk space? They're doing me a favor by letting me know the machine is compromised.
[15:18] <oerheks> " Trying to figure out how to remediate all these security issues our scanner found." what scanner exactly?
[15:18] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: why is that a problem?
[15:19] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: is it a problem if someone fills up all the disk space in Windows?
[15:19] <merpnderp> gordonjcp: if it is mounted on root it will fill the entire usable disk.
[15:19] <merpnderp> gordonjcp: lol, filling up all the disk on our windows servers happens all the time without hackers.
[15:19] <merpnderp> lol
[15:19] <leftyfb> merpnderp: not if it's mounted as tmpfs. That's just a mount point, not the filesystem
[15:20] <gordonjcp> yeah
[15:21] <gordonjcp> there's absolutely no sane reason to have /tmp on a physical disk partition
[15:21] <leftyfb> merpnderp: really, you should go to HR and tell them you are not the person for this. If they want it done right they need to hire someone. I'm not saying this to put you down, but more importantly, someone right for this job will have the ability to do this audit properly regardless of what the "security" team" thinks
[15:21] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: although if for some insane reason you want /tmp to be written to physical disks, you can just create a /tmp partition
[15:22] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: filling up /tmp is probably going to break stuff whatever happens, but the whole point is that /tmp is fast storage for short-lived temporary files so it's usually just a ramdisk
[15:22] <leftyfb> merpnderp: the main point you missed here is the whole purpose of a /tmp mount is that it is mounted as tmpfs, which is all in memory. Not a filesystem on a disk, regardless of where the mountpoint is
[15:25] <merpnderp> That's all great advice.
[15:25] <merpnderp> And looks like the nodev issue is the big one.
[15:26] <merpnderp> Which we already have
[15:26] <merpnderp> "The nodev mount option specifies that the filesystem cannot contain special devices."
[15:26] <merpnderp> So I'm gong to make a note that this one is already good even though it fails.
[15:26] <ioria> yesnd tmpfs is already set with nodev
[15:27] <ioria> mount | grep nodev | grep tmp
[15:30] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: how exactly does it fail?
[15:30] <leftyfb> interestingly, I just looked on several 20.04 servers and none of them have anything mounted to /tmp
[15:30] <oerheks> merpnderp, what scanner exactly?
[15:31] <merpnderp> CIS
[15:31] <merpnderp> gordonjcp: it fails by giving me a pdf saying this item failed the test and how to remediate the issue.
[15:33] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: what exactly does it say?
[15:33] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: and what are you using?
[15:34] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: and, are the people using the scanner competent to use it?
[15:37] <merpnderp> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OvTd1Krz/
[15:37] <merpnderp> Luckily that one is also already set.
[15:37] <merpnderp> Then it gives two ways to fix it. But since it isn't a real problem, I'm marking it as already fixed.
[15:38] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: okay, you really need to give it verbatim and also say what scanner they're using
[15:38] <gordonjcp> merpnderp: otherwise this is just guesswork
[15:39] <nucc1> merpnderp see "cat /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount"
[15:39] <nucc1> looks like that's the defaults
[15:39] <asdwww> hey there!
[15:40] <jhutchins> I think that we can look at this morning's discussion and conclude that there is more than one way for /tmp to be set up, and the "one true way" doesn't actually exist.
[15:40] <asdwww> I have an issue while installing Ubuntu. On the disc-check before install it says that 1 file is incorrect
[15:40] <asdwww> The file is /boot/grub/efi.img
[15:40] <asdwww> the checksum doesn't match and I have no idea why
[15:40] <jhutchins> asdwww: You mean checking the install image?
[15:41] <jhutchins> asdwww: Are you checking the image file as downloaded or as "burned" to a device?
[15:41] <nucc1> jhutchins there's more than one way to do almost everything... i think merpnderp needs to see what ubuntu's default /tmp mount options are, and whether or not they satisfy his security audit tool
[15:41] <asdwww> Yup, I verified .iso; I verified all files inside the iso, everything is correct
[15:41] <iomari891> greetings, running add-apt-repository ppa:deadsnakes/ppa for python 3.10 on 21.10 fails.
[15:41] <asdwww> but when i use that usb stick
[15:41] <asdwww> the error begins
[15:42] <oerheks> iomari891, for what ubuntu release?
[15:42] <iomari891> 21.10
[15:42] <jhutchins> asdwww: Bad blocks on the device?
[15:42] <oerheks> oh 21.10 does not have a candidate
[15:42] <oerheks> up to focal 20.04 only https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:43] <iomari891> I C. the site I was on is misleading then. Thanks
[15:43] <asdwww> jhutchins: files are fine before I use usb stick
[15:43] <iomari891> https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/10/install-python-3-10-ubuntu/
[15:43] <jhutchins> asdwww: What are you using to "burn" the image?
[15:44] <asdwww> jhutchins I tried both usb stick creator (that gui tool in Ubuntu) - I run it via virtual machine
[15:44] <asdwww> and dd
[15:44] <asdwww> both - the same error /boot/grub/efi.img not match
[15:45] <oerheks> iomari891, yeah, noticed errors in thier howtos many times
[15:45] <asdwww> the interesting thing is that whenever I "burn". iso and mount that usb and run "md5sum -c md5sum.txt" every file is OK. But when I boot from that usb stick and enter live-cd mode, then md5sum says /boot/grub/efi.img is incorrect
[15:45] <jhutchins> oerheks: You find it, you fix it.
[15:45] <asdwww> it looks like boot proces modifies that file somehow?
[15:46] <oerheks> but ..
[15:46] <oerheks> !info python3.10
[15:47] <jhutchins> asdwww: Some possibilities: Ignore it and try to install anyway, try a different USB device, or try a different source image.
[15:47] <nucc1> i would ignore it and install anyway
[15:47] <nucc1> especially if i you have another machine as backup.
[15:47] <jhutchins> asdwww: As I've been known to tell clients, "why" is a _lot_ more expensive than "fixed".
[15:48] <asdwww> jhutchins tried two different usb sticks
[15:48] <asdwww> and got the same error every time
[15:48] <asdwww> i didnt process futher, 'cos i wanted to know what's happening
[15:48] <nucc1> asdwww i think that the file does get modified by the live running instance, so the check will always fail
[15:49] <asdwww> nucc1 like the boot process modifies it?
[15:49] <nucc1> asdwww yes. that's effectively the bootloader
[15:49] <nucc1> but i'm not an expert, so take my word with caution :)
[15:49] <nucc1> i don't generally bother with checking media correctness nowadays
[15:50] <asdwww> hmm, when I start installer, near the ubuntu I see "Dell" logo, so I guess that /boot/grub/efi.img has been modified during the boot process?
[15:50] <nucc1> with HTTPS on modern internet connections, you're unlikely to get a corruput download file anyways, except possibly a truncated download.
[15:50] <nucc1> asdwww i think that UEFI allows BIOS to insert desired image in place of default logo
[15:50] <nucc1> not necessarily modifying the img file.
[15:51] <nucc1> but it could well be that they insert their logo in it
[15:51] <nucc1> not show how it's technically implemented.
[15:51] <asdwww> so why that /boot/grub/efi.img got different checksum?
[15:51] <nucc1> by "BIOS", i mean the hardware.
[15:51] <nucc1> something changed it for sure.
[15:51] <nucc1> my argument was that it is normal for the file to be changed, and it's not necessarily a sign of bad things
[15:52] <nucc1> that is the "executable" that the hardware launches after the system POSTs
[15:52] <asdwww> i'll mount this usb stick once again and see if the file remains modified
[15:52] <asdwww> give me a second
[15:54] <asdwww> yeah, it's modified
[15:54] <asdwww> so it looks that during the boot, the content of my usbstick was modified
[15:55] <iomari891> oerheks: thanks
[15:56] <oerheks> what Virtual Machine does that asdwww ?
[15:56] <asdwww> oerheks: what do you mean?
[15:56] <oerheks> and what host?
[15:56] <oerheks> no virtual manager changes EFI entrances, AFAIK
[15:57] <asdwww> oerheks: no, sorry for make it wrong, let me explain once again:
[15:57] <asdwww> oerheks: On Windows 10, I've installed VirtualBox and Ubuntu. Then I run Ubuntu and created USB Stick (both via USB Stick Creator and dd). The I used that usb stick to boot on my host (not on the virtualbox)
[15:57] <asdwww> i just used virtualbox to create usb stick
[15:58] <asdwww> and im using that usb stick to boot and install ubuntu on my host machine
[15:58] <asdwww> but when i create usb stick and check it's content - every file is OK
[15:58] <asdwww> but when i boot by using this usb stick, then the /boot/grub/efi.img is being changed
[15:58] <asdwww> and i have no idea why
[16:00] <nucc1> are you booting into a live mode?
[16:00] <nucc1> can you convert the usb back to an ISO, and run it in a virtual machine? If it shows the dell logo, then you can assume that the dell logo was added
[16:01] <asdwww> good plan, i'll try to boot from usb stick in virtual machine
[16:04] <asdwww> nucc1 no Dell logo in virtualbox
[16:04] <asdwww> so it's not it
[16:04] <nucc1> it could still be it... for example, if the uefi spec says "edit this location and place the address of the logo to show on boot"
[16:04] <nucc1> and the spec says "if the logo is not found, display what your default logo is"
[16:05] <nucc1> i'm speculating here. the spec is 2000+ pages.
[16:05] <nucc1> bottomline, nothing is wrong with your usb disk, install away.
[16:05] <nucc1> if you verified the iso you downloaded, and you burnt it without errors, go ahead and install without running the check
[16:06] <asdwww> verified .iso and usb stick content (before booting) and both were correct
[16:06] <nucc1> yea, so youhave nothing to worry about.
[16:06] <nucc1> you may want to report a bug if you so fancy, with the integrity check tool
[16:07] <asdwww> still wanna dig in to check what exactly happends :)
[16:08] <nucc1> it could be something as benign as the video buffer.
[16:09] <nucc1> like, assuming that the efi image has a reserved section for image buffer that is writable, then it's undertandable that that changes as the image is booted
[16:10] <asdwww> yeah, ok, the most important part is that i should not worry about it. I'll try to figure out what exactly happends in my free time. Thanks a lot
[16:10] <asdwww> nucc1 and jhutchins - thanks!
[16:14] <ice9> where to upload a pic regarding ubuntu issue, imgur is broken currently
[16:14] <ice9> ?
[16:17] <leftyfb> ice9: https://imgur.com/a/ft600ER
[16:18] <jhutchins> ice9: Why a picture?  Describe the problem here, text mode.
[16:19] <ravage> to prove the point
[16:19] <ravage> oh sorry. lefty sent that. didnt say anything
[16:21] <ice9> nvm, every time I lock the screen and relogin, the app icons in the status bar gets filled with empty icons, like the one between "en" and the first blue icon in this screenshot https://postimg.cc/4mLh43Ld/e4ddeceb     and it's not possible to close them...
[16:21] <ice9> this is 21.10
[16:23] <ravage> maybe a faulty shell extension?
[16:25] <MrCollinsGA> excuse me in nano is there a way to search for words please?
[16:25] <jhutchins> ice9: So 21.10, presumably a default gnome desktop.
[16:25] <bkeys> I hate snaps
[16:26] <jhutchins> ice9: One frequently used troubleshooting step is to create a new user and log in as them to see if it's something with your settings/customization rather than a system component failure.
[16:26] <genii> MrCollinsGA: ctrl-w   ..enter the word there and hit enter
[16:26] <MrCollinsGA> oh ok
[16:26] <MrCollinsGA> thank you genii
[16:26] <genii> MrCollinsGA: Glad to assist
[16:29] <genii> MrCollinsGA: ..also, it's case sensitive in case you're searching for something like a word beginning a sentence, or a proper name, etc
[16:29] <MrCollinsGA> genii, thank you so much! very helpful friend :)
[16:29]  * MrCollinsGA bows
[16:31] <ioria> ice9, are you using gnome on Xorg ?
[17:04] <Netsrot> Hi, I get freezes all the time when I use the kernel 5.13.0-23-generic
[17:04] <Netsrot> is there a way to fix?
[17:05] <oerheks> Too little info, what systemspecs, what videocard and driver?
[17:06] <jhutchins> Netsrot: Do you get freezes when you use a different kernel?
[17:06] <oerheks> and what are you doing when it happens?
[17:06] <Netsrot> I use amd64 ubuntu impish with apu amd 3200g and no dgpu
[17:07] <Netsrot> it happens when I try to launch a new application
[17:08] <Netsrot> I tested with wayfire itself and an sdl2 app
[17:09] <Netsrot> since switching back to kernel 5.13.0-22-generic fixed the problem. I was thinking it's a kernel problem.
[17:10] <jhutchins> Netsrot: So there's an obvious solution to your problem.  Is there anything in particular that you need from the -23 kernel, or are you just after bigger, shineyr numbers?
[17:11] <oerheks> good, you might as well file a bugreport
[17:11] <Netsrot> I'm not sure how to make updates work correctly. Since when I update it tries to use the latest kernel
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> Netsrot: feel free to share us your dmesg booted with 5.13.0-23-generic
[17:15] <Netsrot> I think this is just a regression since in the past amd apu's used to freeze all the time.
[17:15] <Teridon> long-time sysadmin but Ubuntu noob.  I have some 18.04 systems; somehow they have the 5.4.x series kernel but do NOT have the linux-generic-hwe package.  How does something like that happen (could have been me, unintentionally).
[17:16] <oerheks> Netsrot, any new bios versiona available from your vendor??
[17:16] <leftyfb> Teridon: GA releases do not yet have a -hwe kernel available and is not installed by default
[17:17] <oerheks> Teridon, new 18.04 systems get HWE enabled by default.
[17:17] <Teridon> related problem:  "apt update" did not update the kernel to the latest; I still have 5.4.0-81-generic, not 5.4.0-91-generic.  I'm using an aptly mirror to pull updates, but I know the mirror has -91 available
[17:17] <Netsrot> I think so but I really don't want to update since they have removed features in the past when updating.
[17:17] <Netsrot> and not allowing to downgrade
[17:17] <oerheks> oh i thought it did, leftyfb after release 18.10
[17:18] <Teridon> leftyb should I just go ahead and install the HWE meta package, since I have the 5.4 kernel anyway?
[17:18] <leftyfb> Teridon: I always suggest the hwe kernel
[17:19] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/linux-image-generic is without HWE
[17:19] <oerheks> 4.15
[17:20] <Teridon> nessus is telling me I'm vulnerable to https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5163-1 because I have -81 instead of -91
[17:21] <leftyfb> interestingly, linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 is currently 5.4.0.92.103~18.04.82
[17:22] <Teridon> I don't know how to install -91 without installing HWE.  (and I still don't know how I got onto the 5.4.x kernel without installing HWE as well)
[17:23] <leftyfb> install hwe
[17:23] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb I found a script that I can edit that does what I need it to do via command line!!! :)
[17:24] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: ok, so no messy GUI now then?
[17:24] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, yessir!
[17:24] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: good stuff. Now document it all and rebuild one of your nodes from scratch to make sure you can build it again later
[17:25] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, thank you for your help. question is there a way to build an 'iso' out of an installed ubuntu install?
[17:25] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: ansible is great way to document btw. Also has the added benefit of rebuilding the entire thing for you :)
[17:25] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: see ^
[17:26] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, I could use some help with ansible. I just dont have the acumen for it man. if it isnt kind of already built, I am climbing up hill. I am willing to learn things.
[17:26] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: a custom iso won't work when you need to upgrade or change your plans. They're also not something we can support here
[17:26] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, makes sense and understood
[17:27] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: start simple. Build a playbook to install a package. Then add some more packages
[17:28] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, ok im going to give it another shot. could you help me a little? :) I'll try not to bug you too much.
[17:28] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: as much as my availability allows. In #ansible is the proper place though where they are other people way more versed than me
[17:29] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, thank you for being able to bounce a question or two Ill be sure to jump in there now.
[17:29] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: for a simple build, you'll be surprised how easy it is
[17:29] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: also be sure to get your playbook checked into a (private)github repo so you always have it
[17:30] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, where is a up to date guide? thats a very good idea.
[17:30] <MrCollinsGA> the one I was using was old and had differences.
[17:30] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: https://www.ansible.com/blog/getting-started-writing-your-first-playbook
[17:30] <MrCollinsGA> ansible guide for the dumb and lucky
[17:30] <MrCollinsGA> thank you leftyfb
[17:30] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: most guides you find will still work regardless of how old they are
[17:32] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, so I could essentially configure one node, then I can tell the other bare metal machines to replicate from this build, basically?
[17:33] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: nope, you create an inventory of machines that you run ansible against. It then ssh's to and builds all of them at once. Or one at a time with --limit if you like
[17:33] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, wow
[17:34] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: I have over a dozen machines and almost as many groups depending on what sort of machine I want to build
[17:34] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, very nice! :)
[17:35] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: again, start simple and small. Iterate from there
[17:37] <loganrun> I think when I first installed ubuntu it asked me if I wanted to make a rescue disk. How do I get back to  that option
[17:38] <leftyfb> loganrun: there is no "rescue disk" as part of the default ubuntu installer
[17:38] <loganrun> o.k, I have a dual boot system and need to move my windows 10 installation to a bigger drive. I suspect when all is said and done my system will not be bootable. I was trying to figure out what to do
[17:41] <oerheks> so, what is your actual issue?
[17:41] <oerheks> fix your windows?
[17:42] <loganrun> 1. probably have to reinstall windows 10 on the new drive which will kill the boot loader I suspect, so I will need to recover it somehow
[17:42] <leftyfb> loganrun: will you be putting Windows and Ubuntu on the new drive?
[17:42] <loganrun> Ubuntu is on one drive and windows on a different one
[17:43] <leftyfb> ok?
[17:43] <loganrun> the system boots from the linux drive
[17:43] <loganrun> so I need to best way to restore the boot configuration after updating windows to the new drive
[17:44] <oerheks> insert windows iso, let it fix itself?
[17:44] <ghost> are you dual booting?
[17:44] <loganrun> yes, dual booting
[17:44] <ghost> you need grub
[17:44] <oerheks> it might be an UEFI thing
[17:44] <loganrun> yes, I have grub, it dual boots now, but not after I install windows on my new bigger drive for it
[17:45] <leftyfb> loganrun: install Windows on your new drive, replace old Windows drive, in Ubuntu, just boot to it and run "sudo grub-update"
[17:46] <ghost> use your live install media to install/update grub
[17:46] <leftyfb> you don't need to do that
[17:47] <leftyfb> Ubuntu can boot fine still and you just need to run grub-update to update the grub config with the new drive ... it might not even be needed with the os-prober
[17:47] <ghost> I thought he hadn't install the windows yet.
[17:47] <loganrun> windows will kill the dual boot, and make it boot only windows
[17:48] <leftyfb> loganrun: unplug ubuntu drive, install new Windows drive. Install Windows. Plug Ubuntu back in. Tell BIOS to boot to Ubuntu drive first. Login to Ubuntu. Run grub-update
[17:49] <ghost> i made the mistake one installing windows in legacy mode and ubuntu in uefi mode. Grub dose not like that lol
[17:49] <hays> i have a kernel question.  with LTS releases, are there new versions of kernels that ship?
[17:49] <loganrun> if I remove the linux drive and put it back in I am not able to boot it any more
[17:50] <loganrun> I tried that once before and had to do a reinstall
[17:50] <loganrun> I assume it is something with the UEFI
[17:51] <loganrun> I tried to back up the keys from the bios, but who knows if that will work after removing a drive
[17:51] <hays> ive been running LTS for a while and there are newer dot releases... and i can't tell from reading if that means newer kernels or if the newer kernels are just HWE or something
[17:51] <jhutchins> loganrun: You have to have either a BIOS/EFI that can select the boot device, or a boot loader that can select which partition to boot from.
[17:51] <oerheks> hays yes
[17:51] <oerheks> !hwe
[17:52] <jhutchins> loganrun: Windows won't do that (without some very advanced tweaking).  Grub will, but it has to be written to the MBR _after_ Windows is installed and after Windows writes it's own incompatible MBR.
[17:52] <ghost> logan is this an established windows OS or a fresh install
[17:52] <loganrun> jhutchins, it was complainig about the UEFI keys or something though I think if I remove and put the drive back
[17:52] <webchat12> hey so i ran impish upgrade (from hirsute) but the installer crashed while fetching packages, now it says partial upgrade but i want a full upgrade right? thx :)
[17:52] <jhutchins> loganrun: Not sure, but that sounds like it might be related to secure boot.
[17:53] <loganrun> can I just back up the MBR and rewrite it from a rescue disk or something
[17:53] <jhutchins> loganrun: It's easy to re-install.
[17:53] <loganrun> yes, I think it is something related to secure boot, not sure how to get around it
[17:53] <hays> oerheks: ok so HWE seems to imply maybe you don't need it unless you have new hardware... or is it the case any other new kernel stuff comes along for the ride
[17:53] <loganrun> how can I tell where it is installed right now
[17:54] <jhutchins> loganrun: Boot to linux media, mount system devices, change root to Linux partition, update grub, install grub.
[17:54] <oerheks> hays, no, not about new hardware, newer kernel and components
[17:54] <loganrun> I installed Ubuntu with ZFS, I don't think you can just change to the root partition, it is seriously screwy
[17:54] <jhutchins> !chroot
[17:55] <bkeys> Man I installed snap using flatpak, then I uninstalled flatpak and used snap to reinstall flatpak, then I installed firefox using snap so I could look up the backend snap code only to find out it is proprietary; I feel so betrayed
[17:55] <hays> oerheks: why cant I see you in the channel list?  weird that autocomplete doesn't work for you.. but thanks that link helped a lot
[17:56] <ghost> LMAO
[17:56] <loganrun> when you do the zfs install it makes a whole buck of zfs partitions and it isn't clear where the root is
[17:57] <loganrun> or how to mount it etc.
[17:57] <loganrun> rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_xi5ti1                           35G  5.7G   30G  17% /
[17:58] <loganrun> that is apparently the root
[17:59] <jhutchins> loganrun: So maybe zfs isn't the best choice here.
[17:59] <jhutchins> loganrun: Maybe save that until you're more familiar with the rest of the Linux environment.
[17:59] <jhutchins> loganrun: To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever".  See also <rescue
[17:59] <loganrun> yes, but it is what my system is already running, didnt' want to have to rebuild my linux system too
[17:59] <jhutchins> mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
[18:03] <loganrun> seems like it would be easier if I could just backup and restore the boot sector or something
[18:03] <loganrun> or would that not work right if I add a new drive
[18:03] <ghost> so I'm running a asus ws c621E with two xeon 4114 cpu's. Ubuntu only recognizes one of the processors
[18:04] <jhutchins> loganrun: Don't fixate on a method, find what works.
[18:05] <jhutchins> ghost: How do you see that it only recognises one?
[18:05] <loganrun> o.k., sounds like sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/user/mbr.bak bs=446 count=1, will back it up, will dd if=mbr.bak of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1 restore it
[18:06] <oerheks> weird number, bs=446
[18:06] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, best way to set machine to boot to command prompt only?
[18:06] <loganrun> https://www.simplified.guide/linux/mbr-backup#:~:text=Steps%20to%20backup%20Master%20Boot%20Record%20from%20Linux%3A,in%20case%20of%20MBR%20corruption%20in%20the%20future.
[18:06] <oerheks> loganrun, where did you read that?
[18:06] <oerheks> lolz
[18:06] <ghost> system monitor shows i only have 10 cores
[18:07] <loganrun> no clue if it is right, but I got it from that link
[18:07] <oerheks> loganrun, you said uefi ..
[18:07] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, I think i got it.
[18:07] <loganrun> yeah, my actual device would be /dev/nvme0n1 I think
[18:08] <loganrun> yeah, my actual device would be /dev/nvme0 I think
[18:09] <bkeys> INSTALL SNAP
[18:09] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[18:09] <MrCollinsGA> thats it? LOL :)
[18:09] <leftyfb> bkeys: can we help you with something?
[18:09] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, thank you
[18:10] <MrCollinsGA> reboot and thats it? :)
[18:11] <leftyfb> yes
[18:12] <hays> it seems like zfs may still be slightly experimental.. tied to zsys stuff?
[18:16] <hays> at any rate maybe running zfs root is something to hold off on for a while unless you really have a use case or are just experimenting
[18:22] <MrCollinsGA> best way to uninstall any and all gui's from a machine? I googled this and found 100 different ways. Dont want to bork my system. Ubuntu removed simple solution I am reading?
[18:25] <loganrun> yeah, with EFI System partition type, it isn't clear how to back up the boot sector or if that is even possible
[18:26] <loganrun> maybe I have to make a backup image of the whole drive and try to restore that. sheesh, this is  a serious pain
[18:26] <loganrun> dual boot sucks
[18:26] <genii> MrCollinsGA: There's not really a satisfactory way to do this, the packages which install each respective desktop environment are metapackages which are just lists of other actual packages so uninstalling or even purging them does not remove the underlying stuff which they installed
[18:26] <MrCollinsGA> genii, so either deal with it or reinstall?
[18:27] <pitchshifter> wow i just got here and that sounds like my linux experience in a nutshell
[18:28] <MrCollinsGA> pitchshifter, aint that the truth xD You just gotta be smart which I am not! :) at least compared some of these guys man! :)
[18:28] <genii> MrCollinsGA: There are suggestions online sometimes which give the lists of the packages each metapackage installs as the arguments to purge, but doing this often removes dependecies which break a system. Reinstall is the best option
[18:28] <loganrun> I thought thwere was an apt-get cleanup option that removed dependencies that are no longer needed
[18:28] <pitchshifter> ^
[18:29] <MrCollinsGA> genii, understood and message rcvd I humbly thank you and leftyfb  very much
[18:29] <loganrun> autoremove
[18:30] <genii> loganrun: There is, but when you purge some package which layers down in dependencies to something essential to operation, it doesn't differentiate that
[18:31] <loganrun> ok
[18:33] <pitchshifter> is there a difference between "apt" and "apt-get" as commands? are they different packages? they both seem to do the same things in the same ways.
[18:35] <genii> apt basically just amalgamates the apt-get and apt-cache commands
[18:36] <loganrun> apt is 19k and apt-get is 47k
[18:37] <pitchshifter> longrun, what do those numbers mean?
[18:37] <pitchshifter> loganrun*
[18:37] <loganrun> the size of the executables for apt and apt-get
[18:38] <pitchshifter> if apt is the alamgamation, shouldn't it be larger?
[18:38] <rfm> I believe apt actually calls apt-get
[18:38] <pitchshifter> so its a symboliclink?
[18:38] <shadow255> or apt-cache as appropriate
[18:39] <rfm> not a symbolic link.  apt has a different (simpler) syntax, fewer options, etc.  basically it provides a simpler to type command that covers all the normal cases
[18:39] <pitchshifter> ah ok
[18:40] <rfm> only if somebody needs to do something special do they need to call apt-get directly
[18:41] <ioria> especially in scripts
[18:41] <rfm> also, the apt syntax, being intended to type in directly, is subject to change from release to release, while apt-get tries to keep the syntax compatible, so apt-get is appropriate to call in scripts
[18:42] <pitchshifter> oh that's good to know.  thanks yall
[18:57] <ahh_> g
[19:28] <MrCollinsGA> when I ssh into a system and begin a process, is there a way to close the ssh window and let said process to continue to do its thing?
[19:29] <GSMarquis> Going to test my thinkpad with ubuntu and a TB3 dock.....this is the highlight of my weekend.
[19:30] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: In general, apt will mark a package as either manually installed, or automatically installed. Packages that are marked auto-installed are eligible for removal via `apt autoremove`. So as long as you remove whichever manually-installed packages brought in the rest as dependencies, apt autoremove will handle the rest.
[19:30] <MrCollinsGA> jkc, are you answering a question above or the one I just asked? :)
[19:30] <jkc> (apt autoremove will not remove auto-installed packages that are still required as dependencies for other installed packages)
[19:30] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: The question above.
[19:31] <MrCollinsGA> jkc, very good. that is good to know! tyvm!
[19:31] <oerheks> Mreasy to find; nohup
[19:31] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: As for your more recent question, I'd check out byobu. Starts an easy-to-manage tmux session that remains alive after you disconnect.
[19:31] <oerheks> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/479/keep-processes-running-after-ssh-session-disconnects
[19:31] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: It's better than nohup because you can log in later and still interact with the running process, rather than just shoving it into the background.
[19:31] <oerheks> yeah, also tmux can do that
[19:31] <MrCollinsGA> sometimes I dont know the right question to ask so maybe this is easy to find for you guys. I am trying to get better
[19:31] <MrCollinsGA> jkc ok
[19:32] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: byobu is, I believe, installed by default.
[19:32] <MrCollinsGA> ok so just man byobu
[19:32] <jkc> It's easier than that. Just 'byobu'.
[19:32] <oerheks> and running questions in multiple channels .. MrCollinsGA ?
[19:32] <jkc> If your connection dies or you terminate it, log back in and run 'byobu' again.
[19:33] <oerheks> keep us busy :-D
[19:33] <MrCollinsGA> oerheks, yes just trying to learn all I can. I have 50 google windows open
[19:33] <MrCollinsGA> im googling trust !! LOL
[19:33] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: It is considered an IRC social error to crosspost questions. Keep your questions to the channel that supports the OS you're currently using.
[19:33] <oerheks> i am tired of that.
[19:34] <MrCollinsGA> what do you mean?
[19:34] <MrCollinsGA> I only asked this question in one channel?
[19:34] <jkc> Then I misunderstood oerheks.
[19:35] <MrCollinsGA> i only ask questions in one channel until maybe 24 hours if no one answers ill try another channel or just keep searching
[19:35] <MrCollinsGA> I start at google and search first. I never want to bother anyone.
[19:35] <oerheks> you just put questions out everywhere, so i take it no longer seriously.
[19:37] <MrCollinsGA> whats wrong with multiple questions?
[19:38] <MrCollinsGA> if its out of context and off topic I understand.
[19:50] <MrCollinsGA> jkc, byobu wonderful simple program. love it. tyvm
[19:51] <gry> nice find
[19:52] <jkc> MrCollinsGA: You can open multiple shells in byobu. There are a lot of commands accessible via ctrl+a - by default - and then a command key. ctrl+a, c creates a new shell, ctrl+a, d detaches you from the byobu session, etc.
[19:52] <MrCollinsGA> jkc wonderful. tyvm
[19:53]  * MrCollinsGA bows to jkc
[21:19] <blahboybaz> I'm encountering errors when upgrading Ubuntu 20.04 - is there some know issue wtih this?
[21:20] <oerheks> blahboybaz, use a pastebin for the output please?
[21:20] <oerheks> !paste
[21:20] <blahboybaz> https://pastebin.com/HC5cThCc
[21:21] <sarnold> blahboybaz: you may have a full filesystem or a broken raid; check df output, and check dmesg output
[21:25] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I've got 204.3 G available out of 500  according to disk usage analyzer
[21:26] <sarnold> blahboybaz: and how much free space on the filesystem that holds /boot ?
[21:27] <blahboybaz> Everything had been working fine until last night; then, when I got on the computer the first time today I started getting a small pop up from the o/s saying "System program problem detected" with the option to report it or cancel (buttons). I decided to try to upgrade the system (see if it needed it) and that's what led me here with what I'm describing when I came to the channel
[21:28] <blahboybaz> $ df -m /boot
[21:28] <blahboybaz> Filesystem     1M-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
[21:28] <blahboybaz> /dev/nvme0n1p2       705   599        55  92% /boot
[21:28] <blahboybaz> How does an o/s allow that to happen tho?
[21:29] <sarnold> blahboybaz: that 'sudo apt autoremove
[21:29] <sarnold> .. command that was suggested in the output might help
[21:29] <blahboybaz> I'll see
[21:31] <blahboybaz> Just that the problem occured where the upgrade happend all in one lump - ie: 2 packages out of a larger upgrade where the upgrade included both the problem packages and the ones that came in without any issue (in one upgrade)
[21:32] <sarnold> yeah :( and depending upon what broke, when, backing out of this problem can be a real pain if you don't know what to do
[21:32] <sarnold> I'm hoping the sudo apt autoremove just works, and then you can continue :)
[21:32] <blahboybaz> sarnold: It seems as if that worked.. I'll see how things play out as I used the computer here
[21:33] <sarnold> blahboybaz: good good ;) try sudo apt install -f   now
[21:33] <blahboybaz> it did some funny stuff (to me anyway) then it seemed to resolve everything
[21:33] <blahboybaz> thanks
[21:34] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Is there a way to check if anything is held or broken install before issuing a -f flag in a command?
[21:34] <blahboybaz> I'm no expert but it appears as if everything is fine (just want to be sure tho)
[21:35] <sarnold> blahboybaz: in this case, the -f flag means --fix-broken  -- it's far safer and happier to run than eg rm -f  :)
[21:35] <blahboybaz> oh
[21:35] <blahboybaz> right on
[21:35] <sarnold> I'm not actually sure if dpkg or apt knows what's broken at that moment or not .. I *think* dpkg -l   | grep -v ^rc | grep -v ^ii   would probably show you what's funny
[21:36] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Early on back around 15 yrs ago (Ubuntu 12.04 era) I was told to run  $ rm -Rf  in a forum post (maliciaous) I did and I learned a really tough lesson  :)
[21:36] <sarnold> :(
[21:36] <sarnold> that sucks :( I'm sorry to hear it :(
[21:36] <blahboybaz> That was when I first started w/ Ubu
[21:38] <oerheks> good to know such command is now blocked
[21:38] <blahboybaz> oerheks: No kidding? That's kinda cool
[21:39] <sarnold> it'll prevent simple mistakes anyway
[21:40] <blahboybaz> for sure
[22:29] <neildugan> I have upgraded from 18.04.5 to 20.04 and lxc has stopped working ... been trying to fix ... whenever lxc is run I get the error ... cannot change profile for the next exec call: No such file or directory ... and "ps -AF | grep lxd" ... show nothing.
[22:30] <sarnold> neildugan: have you rebooted recently?
[22:31] <neildugan> sarnold, yes - lots.
[22:33] <neildugan> sarnold, once a "systemctl start snap.lxd.daemon" seemed to fix things ... but after reboot ... it didn't
[22:34] <neildugan> sarnold, a "systemctl status snap.lxd.daemon" shows some errors ... not sure what they mean.
[22:38] <sarnold> neildugan: aha, cool, can you pastebin those? I'll give them a look; it might just need someone with more lxd experience, but I can look anyway :)
[22:42] <neildugan> sarnold, here is the status https://pastebin.com/KiRqdZ36
[22:44] <neildugan> sarnold, oops the wrong paste hang on a sec.
[22:46] <ogra> neildugan, is snapd.apparmor.service up and running ?
[22:47] <neildugan> sarnold, ogra, here is the correct pastebin https://pastebin.com/RnhhJZQQ
[22:47] <ogra> (note there hae been a few posts around "cannot change profile for next exec call ..." on forum.snapcraft.io )
[22:47] <ogra> *have
[22:48] <neildugan> ogra, Unit snapd.apparmor.service.service could not be found.
[22:49] <sarnold> too many 'service'
[22:50] <neildugan> ogra, "service snapd.apparmor status" ... Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/snapd.apparmor.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[22:50] <neildugan> ogra, should I enable it?
[22:52] <ogra> neildugan, try:  systemctl enable --now snapd.apparmor.service ... then try restarting the lxd snap with "sudo snap restart lxd"
[22:54] <neildugan> ogra, "systemctl enable --now snapd.apparmor.service" ... "snap restart lxd" .... "lxc list" .... "Error: Get "http://unix.socket/1.0": dial unix /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/unix.socket: connect: connection refused"
[22:55] <ogra> hmm
[22:55] <neildugan> ogra, "systemctl status snap.lxd.daemon" ... is still showing errors
[22:57] <ogra> neildugan, never use systemctl on snap services ... use the snap command (it has a ton of commands and ptions for services and logs)
[22:57] <ogra> try "snap logs lxd"
[22:58] <neildugan> ogra, "systemctl restart snap.lxd.daemon" ... now no error visable
[22:58] <neildugan> ogra, "lxc list" worked... do you think I should reboot to see if this 'sticks' ?
[22:59] <ogra> well, if the apparmor service stays enabled now it should work ... try it
[22:59] <neildugan> ogra, this will take some time.
[23:00] <ogra> i got to go AFK anyway, if it does not work, go to forum.snapcraft.io and post in the snapd category
[23:01] <ogra> (the snapd apparmor service should definitely not be disabled, curious how you got in that state on ubuntu (i have seen it on fresh installs on other distros, but never on ubuntu))
[23:02] <neildugan> ogra, thanks for the help. this has been a problem for many hours now.
[23:04] <Nobrem> Hello
[23:04] <Nobrem> Has anyone of your ever used DaVinci Resolve?
[23:04] <Nobrem> There seems to be no IRC channel catering to Davince Resolve users,  and I would be using it on Ubuntu,  so ... maybe I could ask here?
[23:06] <neildugan> ogra, that work fine :-)
[23:08] <ogra> 👋/
[23:15] <matsaman> Nobrem: ask
[23:16] <Nobrem> matsaman, thank you - typing now!
[23:17] <Nobrem> So, I am producing some "time lapse" videos.  The term time lapse means, that the videos are being sped up massively.
[23:17] <Nobrem> I would like to show the time not as timestamp, but as relative time.
[23:17] <Nobrem> 1 minute
[23:17] <Nobrem> 2 minutes
[23:17] <Nobrem> and so on
[23:17] <Nobrem> after 59 minutes,  it should go to hourly
[23:17] <Nobrem> 1 hour
[23:17] <Nobrem> 2 hours
[23:18] <Nobrem> without displaying the minutes any longer
[23:18] <Nobrem> Currently, I am doing this all in "ffmpeg"  (which I love)
[23:18] <Nobrem> the benefit with "ffmpeg" is, that I can speed up the video whereever I want afterwards,  because the timestamp is in the video itself
[23:19] <neildugan> Nobrem, sounds like you need a script parsing 'uptime'
[23:19] <Nobrem> neildugan, thank you for your answer.  Is this something Davince Resolve can do?
[23:19] <matsaman> oh, I thought you were saying you use ffmpeg to add the timestamps themselves, which is probably what I would do
[23:19] <Nobrem> I am also open to using an open source alternative,  e.g.  shotcut or kdenlive
[23:20] <Nobrem> matsaman, yep, my bash script works for that in "ffmpeg"
[23:20] <Nobrem> but the videos are in 4K and 200 GB large
[23:20] <Nobrem> so, it takes a really long, long, long time doing so
[23:20] <matsaman> how are people consuming these videos?
[23:20] <Nobrem> the exported videos will only be very short..
[23:21] <Nobrem> matsaman, I take it you don't like such videos? ;)
[23:21] <matsaman> I like videos alright
[23:21] <Nobrem> My idea is,  if I only applied the times to the parts of the video which get really exported, it would save time
[23:21] <Nobrem> editing a 10-15 min video is less than adding time stamps to 2 hours video material
[23:22] <Nobrem> neildugan?
[23:23] <Nobrem> neildugan, you answered me before,  thank you for that,  but please clarify:  Is this something Davince Resolve can do?  (the script)
[23:23] <Nobrem> at the moment, my work flow seems to be so lengthy... taking a 200 GB video and producing an other 200 GB video just with timestamps in it
[23:24] <Nobrem> I should better import the 200 GB video into DaVinci Resolve (or shotcut or kdenlive) and only add the timestamps to the SHORT exported video
[23:28] <oerheks> h26x is not supported in the free version Linux version ..
[23:30] <Nobrem> oerheks, wow, that's a problem
[23:30] <Nobrem> so I will have to buy the software then
[23:30] <Nobrem> what about shotcut?
[23:31] <oerheks> that is a long standing issue, making a correct coder
[23:31] <oerheks> .. but we will get there :-P
[23:31] <Nobrem> oerheks, are you a part of the DaVince Resolve crew?  (you just said "we")
[23:32] <Nobrem> *DaVinci
[23:32] <oerheks> we as in the opensource community
[23:32] <oerheks> nope, i was just curious howfar they are
[23:32] <Nobrem> Is the free version of Davinci Resolve Open Source?
[23:33] <Nobrem> could I use "ffmpeg" to change the codec of said exported videos from Davinci Resolve, or would that lead to a loss of quality?
[23:33] <Nobrem> because ffmpeg can definitely change codecs,  the question is only,  if that would be a bad idea to do so
[23:34] <marc_> Anyone know how to display the linkspeeds on graphics card and nvme drives
[23:34] <oerheks> any change is basicly loss of quality, it is not original anymore. question is do you notice it.
[23:35] <oerheks> marc_, on what ubuntu version?
[23:36] <oerheks> standard gnome; vitals comes in mind, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1460/vitals/
[23:36] <marc_> Linux SUPERMICRO-X9DRH-iF 5.13.0-23-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 26 11:41:15 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:36] <oerheks> or such
[23:51] <marc_> My system is set to gen3 in bios yet ubuntu is setup for gen2 anyone know how to fix this.