[02:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:37] <mannequin> morning
[08:20] <ducasse> good morning
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> !no bionic is <reply> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) is the 28th release of Ubuntu, supported until April 2023. Release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[14:10] <oxfuxxx> heya
[20:33] <Maik> leftyfb: i guess the op trigger list is outdated, just a copy paste from freenode, since none of the ops ever respond
[20:33] <leftyfb> what else is new?
[20:34] <Maik> something needs to be done about that asap imho
[20:34] <Maik> or.... get new ops that actually do something ;)
[20:34] <leftyfb> which part? The list being outdated or the ops not responding?
[20:34] <Maik> both
[20:35] <oerheks> i have seen ops triggers in #ubuntu-ops last year..
[20:35] <oerheks> suggest all ubuntu members are automaticly ops in #ubuntu
[20:36] <leftyfb> that might not be the best idea
[20:36] <leftyfb> becoming an ubuntu member is trivial
[20:36] <oerheks> true ... wait
[20:37] <Maik> the only ops i have seen taking care of things a few times are sarnold and tomreyn
[20:37] <leftyfb> are they ops?
[20:37] <oerheks> yes
[20:38] <Maik> yep
[20:38] <Maik> not sure if they are in #ubuntu though
[20:39] <leftyfb> ok, well, those are the only 2 active members who I feel are active enough and would do as well enough job as op. The rest are either never around or do everything in their power not to remove the garbage 
[20:39] <leftyfb> unfortunately, 2 active ops isn't enough
[20:39] <Maik> exactly
[20:40] <sonicwind> pretty sure both became ops in #ubuntu last year... have seen tomreyn take action
[20:42] <oerheks> for non-ops, as ubuntu member one can contact #libera directly, jess or the other ones for spamruns
[20:42] <Maik> they simply tell you to contact the ops
[20:43] <Maik> been there done that
[20:44] <leftyfb> yeah, I've understood that paradigm for a while now, even on freenode. I typically only bug them when it spans multiple channels
[20:44] <oerheks> oh, i guess it must be my long blond curly hair
[20:51] <Maik> lol
[21:04] <guiverc> can someone on 20.04/focal confirm they have/don't.have a `nm-tool` command please
[21:05] <guiverc> (looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide due to https://askubuntu.com/questions/1386193/do-i-edit-the-wifi-help-page-on-the-ubuntu-wiki change request; I only have jammy system up currently)
[21:13] <guiverc> done thanks  (booted another box)
[21:13] <Aavar> guiverc: I don't.
[21:14] <guiverc> thanks Aavar; appreciated :)
[21:15] <Jeremy31> Not on Mint 20 either
[21:16] <guiverc> thanks Jeremy31 
[21:18] <oerheks> nmcli is current now?
[21:19] <Jeremy31> it works
[22:01]  * ogra recommends nmtui instead
[22:09] <Thaurwylth> Is it foreseeable, or maybe foreseeable that it doesn't happen, that rtw88_8821 gets replaced by something like rtl8821ce provided by Tomas Pinho or that the problem gets circumvented some other way? Either on the kernel level or higher up. Long story short, there is this kind of known issue with Realtek: https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce#wi-fi-not-working-for-kernel--59
[22:10] <Thaurwylth> This problem has affected me and a lot of other people.
[22:10] <Jeremy31> Thaurwylth: install rtl8821ce-dkms and blacklist the rtw88pci driver
[22:10] <Thaurwylth> Yes, this is the solution I have used.
[22:11] <Jeremy31> Or replace the Realtek with an Intel
[22:11] <Thaurwylth> The question is more like, will that become automatized in the future, somehow.
[22:11] <Jeremy31> It is an upstream kernel issue
[22:17] <Thaurwylth> One of the most grave problems of that issue is that if someone has a laptop (let
[22:18] <Thaurwylth> 's say also no tools to open it available and no replacement parts) and they're doing a system install with only wifi available, well, it is entirely possible that the install crashes. This has happened to me with a Kubuntu install medial.
[22:20] <Thaurwylth> With a completely unrelated stroke of luck I actually had a cable network available, but there is no reason to think that it wouldn't happen to someone who has only wifi available.
[22:20] <leftyfb> Thaurwylth: your issue is with the #linux kernel, not ubuntu
[22:23] <Thaurwylth> Depends a bit. I mean there is a higher level workaround that could be used. But I sense a little bit hostility here so I'll leave it at that.
[22:23] <Thaurwylth> Discussion closed.
[22:24] <Jeremy31> No hostility
[22:25] <Jeremy31> Nobody here(that I know of) has any influence on upstream kernel commits
[22:26] <Jeremy31> It wouldn't surprise me if the dkms part of rtl8812au-dkms was still broken-- since 2016