[00:08] <axsuul> Ok! Now I'm on kernel 5.11.0 and /dev/dri now shows `renderD128`, so far so good :)
[00:11] <Draget[m]> So, I have a HP Pavilion g6, which is basically unable to boot into any sort of graphical inteface/installer. It has a dgpu which might be causing issues. But I think I could solve those… if I was only able to install Ubuntu. Is this correct, that for all flavors of Ubuntu there is no textmode installer anymore?
[00:11] <axsuul> Thanks for your help jhutchins, the kernel stuff you mentioned pointed me in the right direction
[00:17] <ramblebamble> Draget[m], I had a Pavillion g6 once, couldn't get Linux to run under it, maybe the distributions support it nowadays, but back then no dice
[01:14] <MarvinTheMartian> how do I change systems domain name? when I run domainname I get (none)
[02:41] <Gallomimia> does anyone have any experience with the severe bug in nvidia drivers causing the message: [drm:nv_drm_master_set [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab modeset ownership
[02:42] <Gallomimia> i'm looking for a short term solution as it has finally driven me insane
[02:42] <Gallomimia> i think i'll downgrade the drivers... not exactly sure how far back to go
[02:45] <Nobrem> hi
[02:45] <Nobrem> I just plugged my LUKS encrypted, external harddrive into a new computer of mine
[02:45] <Nobrem> Mounting it worked
[02:45] <Nobrem> Reading it worked
[02:45] <Gallomimia> so?
[02:45] <Nobrem> copying files from the external HD onto my computer's SSD works
[02:46] <Nobrem> But:  I cannot run an ffmpeg program on a video that is on the external HD
[02:46] <Nobrem> I get "permission denied"
[02:46] <Nobrem> chmod 777 *
[02:46] <Nobrem> chown -cR nobrem:nobrem *
[02:46] <Nobrem> still, no chance... not even as root
[02:46] <Nobrem> the ffmpeg command is totally simple:
[02:48] <Nobrem> ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -ss 00:01:00 -to 00:02:00 -c:v copy -an out.mp4
[02:48] <Nobrem> funnily, not "out.mp4" gives me a permission denied,  but "input.mp4"
[02:48] <Nobrem> I can "cp"  input.mp4  onto my computer's internal HD
[02:48] <Nobrem> so why the heck can ffmpeg not read input.mp4 ?
[02:49] <Nobrem> that only happens on the second computer
[02:50] <Gallomimia> ah. the uid's don't match up
[02:50] <Nobrem> I take it back
[02:50] <Nobrem> it also happens on my internal HD
[02:50] <Gallomimia> sure nothing is mounted as read only?
[02:50] <Nobrem> no, I just copied the video onto my HD
[02:50] <Nobrem> and it also fails there
[02:50] <Nobrem> I am sorry I said it would work
[02:51] <Nobrem> It fails on my external and internal HD
[02:51] <Nobrem> what the heck.... I have never experienced anything remotely like this
[02:51] <Nobrem> cp works,  ffmpeg fails
[02:51] <Nobrem> ffmpeg only _reads_ the file, the same way "cp" would _read_ it
[02:51] <Nobrem> I don't get permission denied on the output file,  but on the input file
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> Nobrem: volunteers said yesterday to solve your ffmpeg issue elsewhere then in the ubuntu support channel, why did you come back?
[02:53] <Gallomimia> not sure i can speculate on what's going on. make sure your permissions are good, and test with programs that are not ffmpeg
[02:53] <Nobrem> lotuspsychje, my ffmpeg issue has not been resolved yet
[02:53] <Gallomimia> anyone got older nvidia cards got a suggestion on how far back in driver versions i should go?
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> Nobrem: please seek help in more specific channels, adviced yesterday
[02:54] <jhutchins> I wonder if extended attributes/permissions are involved.  They should not replicate to the new location.
[02:54] <Nobrem> lotuspsychje, is it really an ffmpeg problem when a file cannot be _read_ ?
[02:54] <Nobrem> lotuspsychje, that sounds like a permission issue on Ubuntu
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> Nobrem: you got other permission issues outside then ffmpeg?
[02:57] <Nobrem> lotuspsychje, not that I knew of for now
[02:57] <Nobrem> lotuspsychje, IRC is a friendly place, we should work towards keeping it that way.
[02:58] <Nobrem> lotuspsychje, your question before ("why did you come back?")  is very hostile and not in the open source spirit
[02:58] <Nobrem> it borders on bullying
[02:58] <tar_xvf> Nobrem: can you try `sudo chmod 777` on the input.mp4 and see if ffmpeg works
[02:58] <Nobrem> especially after all the bullying we have experienced on Freenode, we should keep Libera nice and friendly
[02:59] <Nobrem> tar_xvf, already done so
[02:59] <Nobrem> tar_xvf, even chown -cR nobrem:nobrem   just to be sure
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> Nobrem: its not hostile, im pointing you other volunteers already gave you advice, you ignoring and now we see you flooding the ubuntu support channel with ffmpeg stuff, not really fair towards others
[02:59] <tar_xvf> ok, the file is probably corrupted in a ray ffmpeg can't read it
[02:59] <tar_xvf> you could also try opening the file with ffplay, vlc, or another media player to see if it should work
[02:59] <Nobrem> yes, done so, it works
[02:59] <Nobrem> vlc can open it
[03:00] <Nobrem> ffplay - trying now
[03:00] <Gallomimia> nobrem, i just told you to use a different program and test if the file can be read
[03:00] <Gallomimia> if yes, not ubuntu issue, go to ffmpeg support. if no, that's a ubuntu issue
[03:00] <Gallomimia> and we can figure more out together
[03:00] <Nobrem> I think I know what the problem is
[03:00] <Nobrem> ffmpeg was installed via "snap"
[03:01] <Gallomimia> but until you test that... none of us care, nor can we do anything
[03:01] <Gallomimia> literally can't help you till you test this
[03:01] <Gallomimia> okay? not hostile. not ignoring you. it is you who is ignoring us.
[03:02] <Gallomimia> vlc can open it? copy the file to a new location and make ffmpeg open it there
[03:02] <Gallomimia> so this is a ffmpeg problem?
[03:02] <Nobrem> no.
[03:02] <Nobrem> I just solved it
[03:02] <Gallomimia> #ffmpeg
[03:02] <Nobrem> it's a permissions problem on Ubuntu
[03:03] <Nobrem> sudo snap remove ffmpeg
[03:03] <Nobrem> apt install ffmpeg
[03:03] <Nobrem> then it works
[03:03] <Gallomimia> sigh
[03:03] <Gallomimia> snaps again
[03:03] <Nobrem> it's a permissions problem,  snap could not do it
[03:03] <Nobrem> Here, I call you out.
[03:03] <Gallomimia> great idea. horrendous execution
[03:03] <Nobrem> Gallomimia and lotuspsychje
[03:03] <Nobrem> instead of trying to help,  you shooed me away
[03:03] <Nobrem> turns out, it is a snap related problem
[03:03] <tar_xvf> how were they supposed to know you installed ffmpeg via snap
 ffmpeg was installed via "snap"
[03:04] <Gallomimia> well, is it default in the software "store"
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> Nobrem: then support goes here; contact:   https://github.com/snapcrafters/ffmpeg/issues
[03:05] <Gallomimia> indeed. all of the... ah, not so helpfulness in this channel aside, you do need to file a bug report
[03:05] <Nobrem> ok, will do
[03:06] <Nobrem> bye for now, thank you!
[03:06] <Gallomimia> i guess.... you're welcome. you kinda sorted it yourself
[03:07] <Gallomimia> i must admit, the wall of text made it hard to follow
[03:08] <tar_xvf> he's been doing this for somewhere around a few weeks now
[03:09] <Gallomimia> i shan't criticize since i came in and posted a wall of text minutes before him
[03:18] <Gallomimia> i've decided to downgrade to nvidia-driver-450 and apt won't let me. can someone give me some suggestions?
[03:18] <Gallomimia> i removed 470, and then the extras that came with
[03:19] <Gallomimia> and now trying to install 450, it says don't worry we'll put 470 back in. i don't want that
[03:19] <Gallomimia> it's going to put 460 in too. so i'll have 3 versions of the driver in there conflicting. that'd be so great
[03:22] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' should give ya some strong hints as to what is available :D
[03:23] <Gallomimia> Bashing-om 470 is the appropriate driver for my card, but it has an extremely serious bug in it that i jus can't handle anymore
[03:23] <Gallomimia> so, 450 server might work but not 450 desktop?
[03:23] <Gallomimia> does that make sense??
[03:24] <Gallomimia> going back to 390 seems extreme
[03:24] <Gallomimia> 470 and 390 are the only desktop drivers this command says work
[03:25] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: So long as ya purge the installed driver - prior to a new try - can not hurt to try and see what happens :D
[03:25] <Gallomimia> it can hurt, very much ;)
[03:25] <Gallomimia> i did not purge, i only removed
[03:26] <Gallomimia> and i'm going to install the 450 server. it's actually going to take some lib computes from 470 that were missed out
[03:26] <Gallomimia> !pkg nvidia-prime
[03:29] <Gallomimia> well that went ok... will try a reboot in a moment
[03:29] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: GeForce GT 710 and syste, sqeels over the 390 version, best I recall 390 is now transisonal package, Offers me 470, 460, 450 and 418 server packages.
[03:30] <Gallomimia> in the mean time i have this humongous list of things that were automatically installed... like nvidia-cuda-gdb nvidia-cuda-toolkit-doc nvidia-opencl-dev ocl-icd-opencl-dev. pretty sure i still want those
[03:30] <Gallomimia> Bashing-om, i have a 780Ti not a 710
[03:30] <Gallomimia> 710 is little more than a display adapter
[03:31] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: While true - cheap card does all I require of it :D
[03:32] <Gallomimia> 470 has ths bug: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-failed-to-grab-modeset-ownership-with-495-44/193867/28
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> wich kernel are you on Gallomimia
[03:32] <Gallomimia> it's crippling. i need to get away from it
[03:32] <Gallomimia> 5.13.0-23 generic
[03:34] <Gallomimia> what is nvidia-prime ?
[03:36] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: hybrid-graphics >> enable NVIDIA's Prime on MUXless systems.
[03:37] <Gallomimia> mux?
[03:37] <Gallomimia> i guess, i don't need it if i have a singular card
[03:38] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: MUX-less:  Optimus chipsets - that is, dual GPUs where the outputs are NOT switched between the GPUs using a multiplexer.
[03:38] <Gallomimia> i really want to understand what you just said
[03:39] <Gallomimia> dual GPUs on one card?
[03:39] <Gallomimia> weren't they doing that with 1080 Titans?
[03:39] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: deep deep subject - more there that I also do not know than that of what I do know :P
[03:40] <Gallomimia> here's what i know: i failed linear algebra and dropped out of college so i don't get the privlidge of understanding graphics cards too well :(
[03:40] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: Mostly nvidia-prime to swap to the internal Intel chip set on laptops :D
[03:40] <Gallomimia> ah right right
[03:40] <Gallomimia> well.... here goes nothin
[03:41] <bugweiser> Are there defacto rules in ubuntu manpage interpretation? Say a man-page contradicts itself, how do we know what is true and what is in error ?
[03:41]  * bugweiser fingers crossed for Gallomimia
[03:42] <Gallomimia> well, there's lights
[03:43] <Gallomimia> WARNING: CPU: 7 PID: 2931 at /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-srv/450.156.00/build/nvidia-drm/nvidia-drm-drv.c:498 nv_drm_master_set+0x27/0x30 [nvidia_drm]
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> bugweiser: if you find and error in a manpage of a package, file a !bug
[03:44] <Gallomimia> i got a warning about some nvidia drm but no warning about that failed to grab modeset
[03:44] <bugweiser> I don't understand it.. so I can't say it is a bug, neither can I say what is actually true :)
[03:44] <Gallomimia> what does this do: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[03:44] <bugweiser> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man5/uuencode.5.html
[03:45] <bugweiser> Gallomimia: I think the kernal was originally without viruses.
[03:46] <Gallomimia> and then i gave it an nvidia
[03:46] <Gallomimia> booster shot
[03:46] <bugweiser> infecting your system with something called 'drm' might affect your kernel that it is no longer virus free, so you get a warning
[03:46] <bugweiser> (at least I think..)
[03:47] <bugweiser> lotuspsychje: man page says:
[03:48] <bugweiser> The  base64  option  says  the file has been encoded using base64.  The encoded option says the output file name has been  base64  encoded.   It  is  never  encoded  with traditional  uuencoding.
[03:48] <bugweiser> then examples come:
[03:48] <Gallomimia> lol well. drm. i need that to watch netflix :P
[03:48] <bugweiser>  begin-base64-encoded 644 VE9ETw==
[03:48] <bugweiser> This introduces a base64 encoded file named, TODO with  that  name  encoded  using  base64 encoding.
[03:48] <bugweiser> begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P``
[03:49] <bugweiser>  This  introduces an encoded file named, TODO  with that name encoded using uuencoding.
[03:49] <bugweiser> NAY says gnu shar utils (https://www.gnu.org/software/sharutils/manual/html_node/uuencode-encode_002dfile_002dname.html)
[03:49] <bugweiser> the ??encode the output file name?? option. Since output file names may contain characters that are not handled well by various transmission modes, you may specify that the output-name be   hex encoded as well.
[03:49] <bugweiser> so.. as always.. I don't grasp the man-pages :(
[03:49] <Bashing-om> Gallomimia: Kernel reports happyness ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[03:51] <BSaboia> Hello. I am having this issue while trying to issue apt upgrade: E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.190.6_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
[03:51] <BSaboia> Is this expected at all?
[03:53] <Bashing-om> !info linux-firmware impish | BSaboia
[03:54] <Bashing-om> BSaboia: ^ what release are you on ?
[03:54] <BSaboia> Release:	20.10 Codename:	groovy
[03:55] <BSaboia> Bashing-om, uname -a yields 5.8.0-63-generic #71-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 13 15:59:12 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:56] <Bashing-om> BSaboia: cat /etc/issue ?
[03:56] <Bashing-om> !20.10 | BSaboia
[03:57] <Bashing-om> BSaboia: ^ software repo no longer exists . strongly urged to upgrade to a supported release.
[04:00] <BSaboia> Bashing-om, thanks
[04:01] <BSaboia> So upgrade time. Let's see how smoothly this goes. It's already not-so-good (`apt dist-upgrade` doesn't want to upgrade)
[04:01] <BSaboia> ... because of the same thing: E: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.190.6_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.39 80]
[04:02] <Bashing-om> !eol | BSaboia
[04:07] <bugweiser> does that make any sense to anyone ?
[04:14] <BSaboia> bugweiser, what?
[04:15] <BSaboia> What I did was use `sed` to change from archive to old-releases in /etc/apt/sources.list and now I can run the update stuff. So hopefully it will work now
[04:18] <bugweiser> BSaboia: what the uuencode manpage says
[04:19] <bugweiser> (quoted above, 03:48:17 gmt)
[04:51] <amosbird> Hello! How can I update certificates in ubuntu docker 18.04 so that I can do pip3 install git+https://github.com/amosbird/exodus@e8c0afe without errors
[04:51] <amosbird> fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/amosbird/exodus/': gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated.
[05:06] <bugweiser> should I somehow rephrase my question ?
[05:19] <Jeaton> not really a ubuntu problem but has anyone here have any luck installing ubuntu on windows 11 using wsl
[05:41] <ELQEYNN> Jeaton, do you want to boot Windows or Linux on the same machine?
[05:46] <multi8>  /exit
[05:46] <ELQEYNN> Jeaton, there is a way to run both ubuntu and Windows on the same machine.
[05:48] <ELQEYNN> Jeaton, there is a way to run both ubuntu and Windows on the same machine.
[05:49] <bugweiser> https://windowsreport.com/dual-boot-windows-11-ubuntu/
[05:50] <bugweiser> https://www.xda-developers.com/dual-boot-windows-11-linux/
[05:50] <bugweiser> the key searchphrase here is 'dual boot'
[05:52] <ELQEYNN> Actually, if each is installed on its own disk, then you don't need a boot menu. You can then use the BIOS boot menu.
[05:52] <bugweiser> if it got that yeah
[05:53] <ELQEYNN> Buenas noches, Humberto1
[05:54] <bugweiser> but if you just need some linux output of some linux program, you can just boot linux in your browser, much simpler...  just click your bookmark for your virtual browser linux app and it will boot in 20 sec or so. Then you can't screw things up (or just reload the browser tab).
[05:55] <bugweiser> same for the reverse, you can always boot in instance of windows 2000 or something in your browser and continue life happy without any headaches :)
[05:56] <bugweiser> where can one get help for ubuntu manuals, specifically their interpretation ?
[05:57] <bugweiser> are questions about ubuntu manpages on-topic in this channel or should I ask elsewhere (and where would I ask) ?
[06:06] <Nobrem> re
[06:06] <Nobrem> now, I have a real Ubuntu problem
[06:06] <Nobrem> no ffmpeg, no nothing, just Ubuntu :)
[06:06] <Nobrem> I installed Ubuntu on a new laptop with a 256 GB hard drive
[06:07] <Nobrem> the size is even slightly bigger when looking at "cfdisk"
[06:07] <Nobrem> But, "df -h",  it shows a much smaller HD
[06:07] <Nobrem> what is wrong?
[06:07] <bugweiser> you formatted it ?
[06:08] <Nobrem> bugweiser, I did not zero it,  but I ran the normal installation process of the Ubuntu Server Edition which created a new partition table
[06:08] <Nobrem> the computer came without OS
[06:08] <bugweiser> let me be more explicit, you put a file system on it
[06:08] <Nobrem> bugweiser, I believe so?
[06:08] <Nobrem> bugweiser, the computer could not boot when I bought it
[06:08] <Nobrem> bugweiser, it is a second hand computer
[06:08] <bugweiser> I also believe that, couse you said you installed something on it, therefor it must have a filesystem
[06:09] <bugweiser> zeroing the drive would remove that filesystem
[06:09] <Nobrem> let me show you my evidence
[06:09] <Nobrem> god, I need to switch that Y and Z kez
[06:09] <Nobrem> *key
[06:09] <Nobrem> first time typing on that computer and I constantly get the y and z wrong
[06:09] <ELQEYNN> Nobrem, do you have a German keyboard?
[06:09] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, finnish
[06:10] <Assid> heya
[06:10] <Nobrem> :)
[06:10] <ELQEYNN> Nobrem, do you know how to change your keyboard layout?
[06:10] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, I only want to switch certain keys
[06:10] <Nobrem> xmodmap ?
[06:11] <Assid> how do i get ssh to ask for the key password in the gui
[06:11] <ELQEYNN> Are the keys on your hardware keyboard switched? Like when you hit "z" do you get "y" ?
[06:11] <Nobrem> cfdisk => evidence 1:  https://dpaste.org/X0mt/raw
[06:12] <Nobrem> df -h => evidence 2: https://dpaste.org/9mQT/raw
[06:12] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, no, the keys are WYSIWYG but I still need them switched
[06:13] <ELQEYNN> You mean, that when you hit "z" you get "z"? And when you hit "y" you get "y" ?
[06:13] <Nobrem> yes
[06:14] <Nobrem> but I am used to a different keyboard layout
[06:14] <bugweiser> Nobrem, I think you are looking at 2 different things
[06:14] <bugweiser> the first shows you the mbr partitions
[06:14] <Nobrem> bugweiser, whz so?
[06:14] <bugweiser> the second shows you the vbr of one of these partitions
[06:14] <Nobrem> *why
[06:14] <ELQEYNN> So, if  you change the keyboard layout in the software configuration, you'll hit "z" and you get "y" and vice versa.
[06:14] <Nobrem> bugweiser, it looks to me like I am already running out of space
[06:14] <bugweiser> why? the latest linux distro's create many vbr partitions these days (cought me offguard this week as well, hence I know :) )
[06:14] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, yes
[06:15] <ELQEYNN> So you'll need a new and different hardware keyboard to match.
[06:15] <Nobrem> bugweiser, I don't want partitions... I need to put 200 GB video files on this machine
[06:15] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, I believe "xmodmap" can solve this... I will let you know later
[06:16] <bugweiser> yeah, I'm a fan of some partitions as well, this is to much.. same on openbsd
[06:16] <ELQEYNN> Don't you want to do one thing at a time?
[06:16] <Nobrem> https://askubuntu.com/questions/68819/swap-two-keys-using-xmodmap
[06:16] <Nobrem> the link is for you, ELQEYNN
[06:17] <Nobrem> I will fix the keys like this
[06:17] <ELQEYNN> xmodemap will result in hitting "z" and getting "y" and vice versa -- unless you also change your hardware keyboard.
[06:17] <Nobrem> the biggest problem for now is my hard drive siye
[06:17] <Nobrem> size
[06:17] <bugweiser> 200 GB video files on a 250gb raw disk.. thats barely gonna fit on a modern heavily partitioned disk
[06:18] <Nobrem> bugweiser, why so?  Is there a file size limit on linux like it was back in the day on FAT32 Windows machines?
[06:18] <bugweiser> no it is becouse putting a filesystem on a partition costs space
[06:19] <bugweiser> so a raw disk never has the total raw space to use (well , it is used, by a TOC (or similar)).
[06:19] <bugweiser> on top of that, the modern linux uses a bunch of partitions (as you have shown in link 2)
[06:19] <Nobrem> bugweiser, even when you add all of them up, I don't get 256 GB
[06:20] <Nobrem> look at the leftmost column "Size"
[06:20] <bugweiser> you can try re-install it, and try to override some default settings such that you get LESS number of partitions.
[06:20] <bugweiser> well, you can try chop up your video files, and try fill all unused space of each partition...
[06:21] <bugweiser> that might just work
[06:21] <Nobrem> bugweiser, the partitions are imho not the issue
[06:21] <Nobrem> df -h lists you the total siye
[06:21] <Nobrem> size
[06:21] <Nobrem> 768 MB is not even a GB
[06:21] <Nobrem> plus 98 gb
[06:21] <Nobrem> plus 3.9 (let us say 4)
[06:21] <Nobrem> and then 5, 974, 511 and 786 MB
[06:22] <Nobrem> so, even when rounded up, we get to 116 GB
[06:22] <Nobrem> but the HD is 256 GB
[06:22] <Nobrem> there is a discrepancy
[06:23] <Nobrem> https://dpaste.org/9mQT/raw
[06:23] <Nobrem> ^ I am talking about this
[06:23] <rfm> remember all the "tmpfs" don't take up disk space, they're in ram. but what on earth allocated almost a gig for /boot and half a gig for /boot/efi?
[06:24] <Nobrem> I don't know... Debian Server Edition
[06:24] <Nobrem> which, for whatever reason, came with gnome installed
[06:24] <bugweiser> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv   98G   54G   40G  58% /
[06:24] <bugweiser>  /dev/sda3                  3147776        500115455        496967680        237G Linux filesystem
[06:25] <rfm> why would Debian create a volume group named ubuntu?
[06:25] <bugweiser> *seems* that your vbr on sda3 only used around 98G for the main data partition.
[06:25] <Nobrem> rfm, this is a Ubuntu channel
[06:25] <Nobrem> oh
[06:25] <Nobrem> I said Debian
[06:25] <bugweiser> perhaps you can extend this partiton to use the remaining space ?
[06:25] <Nobrem> I meant Ubuntu Server Edition
[06:25] <Nobrem> bugweiser, but how?
[06:27] <bugweiser> well, if your system is still fresh/unused, one method would be a re-install, (perhaps make some notes now of what you want to achieve in terms of vbr on dev/sda3
[06:27] <Nobrem> bugweiser, 3 days went into installing all my programs and transferring data
[06:27] <Nobrem> bugweiser, I would rather not start over
[06:28] <bugweiser> I can understand..
[06:28] <bugweiser> then you need to figure out how to resize that partition in the vbr of 98G
[06:28] <Nobrem> can't I just extend my partition?
[06:28] <bugweiser> it seems that is the one you want to extend
[06:28] <Nobrem> what is a vbr anyway?
[06:29] <bugweiser> its like a second mbr
[06:30] <bugweiser> it can contain boot-code, it can contain partition layout (and that layout depends on the bootsystem used).
[06:30] <bugweiser> you could think of it a LITTLE like this:
[06:31] <bugweiser> you have one physical disk, you give it bootcode and partitions (up to 4) in the mbr (up to 4 due to legacy bios, when in mbr mode).
[06:31] <bugweiser> now you could think of the partitioned disk as a number of new individual disks
[06:31] <bugweiser> and each first sector itself could contain another thing LIKE an mbr, optionally splitting down partitions further.
[06:32] <bugweiser> so for example you chop the 3 partition (starting from the physical disk) into yet again 8 partitions.
[06:32] <bugweiser> windows used to call them 'extended partitions;
[06:32] <bugweiser> and the 4 from the mbr (the entry point of the physical disk, sector 0) were called 'primary partitions'.
[06:32] <Nobrem> I rather have one partition for / and  a nice swap
[06:33] <bugweiser> so in windows terminology, you'd create 'extended partitions' inside primariy partitions.
[06:33] <rfm> that 98G partition is an lvm logical volume, you'd have to use lvm tools to expand it (but don't ask *me* how)
[06:33] <bugweiser> (but it doesn't need to end there.. technically you could chop up extended (kind of second level) partitions again and put vbr in them as well.
[06:34] <Nobrem> whoah guys
[06:34] <bugweiser> Nobrem, I agree, especially for resource constrained vps...
[06:34] <Nobrem> gparted shows something TOTALLY different
[06:35] <bugweiser> (mbr master boot record, vbr Volume boot record)
[06:35] <Nobrem> I am desperately trying to open the screenshot tool on this new computer
[06:35] <Nobrem> a few moments please
[06:35] <ELQEYNN> Nobrem, your partition for / should be different from your partition for /home.
[06:35] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, not needed,,, it can be a benefit, but not needed
[06:35] <bugweiser> ^
[06:35] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, only if I were to re-install a new OS and then wanted to keep the /home partition
[06:36] <ELQEYNN> So, you'll continue to have / and /home in the same partition?
[06:36] <Nobrem> let me write what gparted tells me because I cannot find the screenshot tool
[06:36] <Nobrem> Used: 100.02 GiB
[06:36] <Nobrem> Unused: 136.59 GiB
[06:37] <Nobrem> Size: 236.97 GiB
[06:37] <Nobrem> so obviously dh -h is wrong
[06:37] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, yes, all in the same partition
[06:37] <bugweiser> seems like gparted is looking at mbr
[06:37] <Nobrem> why would the MBR we 236 GiB ?
[06:38] <ELQEYNN> So there is no need for gparted to have any table entry for /home.
[06:38] <bugweiser> The 100GB used seems to come from the vbr partitioning :) do the math :)
[06:39] <Nobrem> ELQEYNN, /home was never the topic
[06:39] <Nobrem> bugweiser, there is a 60 GB video on my HD
[06:39] <Nobrem> I will copy and paste this video multiple times to see when I really run out of space
[06:40] <Nobrem> I am sure that I am looking at the right partition, as it is LUKS encrypted
[06:40] <rfm> My guess is that there is half the disk unpartitioned.  you could use fdisk to just print the partition table to be sure.
[06:40] <bugweiser> perhaps there is some accounting issue?
[06:41] <bugweiser> yes, aree rfm
[06:41] <Nobrem> rfm, I pasted the output of "cfdisk"  before
[06:41] <Nobrem> trying fdisk, too
[06:42] <rfm> don't bother, let me look at that cfdisk...
[06:42] <Nobrem> I already did fdisk, too
 cfdisk => evidence 1:  https://dpaste.org/X0mt/raw
 df -h => evidence 2: https://dpaste.org/9mQT/raw
[06:43] <rfm> ok, what's going on is the lvm logical volume that the installer created only took up half the space in the sda3 partition.
[06:43] <ELQEYNN> raw means, unencrypted?
[06:43] <Nobrem> I'm going to paste fdisk too, but I remove the unique identifiers from the paste
[06:44] <Nobrem> rfm, why?
[06:44] <bugweiser> lol, thats what I said :)
[06:44] <rfm> dang if I know why.  lvm is a big mystery to me, that's why I use zfs.
[06:44] <Nobrem> https://dpaste.org/Doud
[06:44] <Nobrem> here, fdisk
[06:45] <rfm> presumably you could use the lvm tools to grow the logical volume into the rest of the space, then grow the file system
[06:45] <Nobrem> rfm, color me clueless
[06:45] <Nobrem> rfm, wanna hold my hand?
[06:46] <Nobrem> sudo lvm
[06:46] <bugweiser> your fdisk link concurs with the cfdisk link
[06:46] <rfm> sadly I cannot.  I know a little bit about what lvm is and is used for but I don't know the details.
[06:46] <Nobrem> bugweiser, what does that mean?
[06:46] <Nobrem> do you have any search terms in mind that I could google for?
[06:46] <bugweiser> https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/resize-lvm-simple
[06:47] <Nobrem> maybe:  "lvm size too small"
[06:47] <rfm> Nobrem, you could start by reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LVM  (I don't like Arch's philosophy, which is why I use Ubuntu, but their documentation is great)
[06:48] <bugweiser> rfm hints at this modern linux vbr partitioning lvm. We also know we want to resize/extend a partion (as we assume there is unused space in your sda3 (138G of it)
[06:48] <Nobrem> rfm, what is the "arch phylosophy" =)
[06:50] <bugweiser> https://slice2.com/2020/12/05/howto-easily-resize-the-default-lvm-volume-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[06:50] <rfm> Nobrem, getting off topic here but it's "rolling release" aka "never gets out of alpha" plus "don't worry about getting it right the way it's shipped, we can teach the users to fix it the way they want"
[06:51] <Nobrem> rfm, I see
[06:51] <Nobrem> rfm, well, Debian also has a rolling release (testing)
[06:51] <mannequin> don't do that
[06:51] <mannequin> it's broken at this stage
[06:51] <mannequin> personal eperience
[06:52] <mannequin> experience
[06:52] <Nobrem> mannequin, "testing" was a big plus back in the day,  when Debian was still "potato"
[06:52] <bugweiser> don't do what ? resize linux vbr partitions?
[06:52] <Nobrem> it helped getting the newest software, like "micq" ;)
[06:52] <mannequin> Nobrem: sure but 12 is a pile of unreliable poo at this stage
[06:52] <Nobrem> bugweiser, I think they meant "Debian testing"
[06:53] <bugweiser> ah
[06:53] <Nobrem> brb, I am following the instructions on the website
[06:54] <bugweiser> meanwhile (while activity) any help with my question would also be apreciated :)
[06:56] <bugweiser> where can one get help for ubuntu manuals, specifically their interpretation ?
[06:56] <bugweiser> are questions about ubuntu manpages on-topic in this channel or should I ask elsewhere (and where would I ask) ?
[06:58] <tomreyn> bugweiser: just ask. if someone can recommend a bette rplace, they will.
[06:58] <rfm> bugweiser, well, the man pages are generally a part of a particular package, so it would be the same place to go for support on that package
[06:58] <rfm> so, base ubuntu stuff might be dealable with here, stuff in universe you might want to look for an upstream forum, etc.
[06:59] <bugweiser> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man5/uuencode.5.html
[06:59] <bugweiser> is that base ?
[06:59] <bugweiser> it reads:
[06:59] <rfm> its an ancient part of UNIX,
[06:59] <Nobrem> it worked :)))
[06:59] <Nobrem> thank you
[07:00] <Nobrem> my HD is big now
[07:00] <Nobrem> bigger than my future
[07:00] <bugweiser> YAY nobrem !!
[07:00] <Nobrem> thank you for the link
[07:00] <bugweiser> you are welcome :)
[07:00] <rfm> you're still gonna have trouble with 200GB files on a 256GB disk of course
[07:00] <Nobrem> rfm, yep, I will slice them up
[07:01] <bugweiser> man reads:
[07:01] <bugweiser> The encoded option says the output file name has been  base64  encoded.   It  is  never  encoded  with traditional  uuencoding.
[07:01] <bugweiser> then continues to examples:
[07:01] <bugweiser> begin-base64-encoded 644 VE9ETw==
[07:02] <bugweiser>  This introduces a base64 encoded file named, TODO with  that  name  encoded  using  base64 encoding.
[07:02] <bugweiser> begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P``
[07:02] <bugweiser>  This  introduces an encoded file named, TODO  with that name encoded using uuencoding
[07:02] <Nobrem> thank you again,  bye :))
[07:02] <Nobrem> good night!
[07:02] <bugweiser> good night!
[07:02] <ELQEYNN> bbl
[07:03] <bugweiser> NAY says gnu shar utils (https://www.gnu.org/software/sharutils/manual/html_node/uuencode-encode_002dfile_002dname.html)
[07:03] <bugweiser> the ??encode the output file name?? option. Since output file names may contain characters that are not handled well by various transmission modes, you may specify that the output-name be  hex encoded as well.
[07:03] <bugweiser> how can you have an example of a filename encoded using 'traditional uuencoding' if 'it is never encoded with traditional uuencoding' ?
[07:04] <bugweiser> mind blown..
[07:04] <bugweiser> and gnu docs say it isn't base64, nay, it is 'hex encoded'
[07:04] <bugweiser> well, there was no mind to blow anymore.. but if there was one... it would blow again.
[07:05] <bugweiser> HOW does one figure out what REALLY is the specification ?
[07:06] <rfm> there's a lot of history here.  uuencode was part of BSD.   The gnu sharutils were a rewrite by the GNU project that did some of the same stuff  (basically, make it possible to send binary files through email that might not even be 8-bit clean)
[07:06] <bugweiser> yes, 1980, first in bsd4.0
[07:08] <rfm> so, the uuencode man page tells you what uuencode does, the sharutils manual tell you what the gnu sharutils do.  (It may be that sharutils includes a program called uuencode which is not-entirely-compatible with BSD uuencode.)
[07:08] <bugweiser> like tar, there are actually a lot of different formats for uuencode
[07:09] <rfm> yes, and for pretty much the same reason.  the real advantage is that there's no reason to use uuencode anymore, while tar is still useful
[07:10] <bugweiser> (ive dug through the history, ancient mail-lists, check uuencode v1 to 4.0, etc. Know the posix variant (and most implementations falsely claim posix conformity, like posix *mandates* using the defined word *shall* that base64 should ignore ALL characters not in the base64 table.. lol, so most decoders bork on that requirement :) )
[07:10] <bugweiser> lol, for tar I have identified at least 14 different formats (and a lot of them have variations themselves...)
[07:10] <bugweiser> its a horror :)
[07:10] <bugweiser> but i'm asking about the ubuntu manpage
[07:10] <bugweiser> :)
[07:11] <bugweiser> and it says:
[07:11] <bugweiser> The encoded option says the output file name has been  base64  encoded.   It  is  never  encoded  with traditional  uuencoding.
[07:11] <bugweiser> and gives as example:
[07:11] <bugweiser>  This  introduces an encoded file named, TODO  with that name encoded using uuencoding
[07:12] <bugweiser> (and the example actually does that, minus leading lenght character which indeed would be pointless).
[07:13] <bugweiser> 5$]$3P``    really does decode to 'TODO'
[07:13] <bugweiser> that is a pretty low chance typo... that took effort :)
[07:14] <bugweiser> and it makes specifically TWO examples (one for base64 encoded filename, one for uuencoded filename), while it says that this is not possible to begin with ?!
[07:15] <bugweiser> it litterally says (caps mine): It  is  NEVER  encoded  with traditional  uuencoding.
[07:18] <rfm> yes, certainly seems inconsistent.  have you checked what uuencode actually does?
[07:18] <bugweiser> depends on os/implementation used
[07:19] <bugweiser> still got gnu sharutils to check
[07:19] <rfm> presumably the ubuntu man page should describe the implemention in ubuntu.
[07:19] <bugweiser> (noting that sharutils says the filename is HEX (not base64 or uuencode) encoded
[07:20] <rfm> yeah but a shar is not a uuencoded file, it's similar but not the same.
[07:20] <bugweiser> I don't have an ubuntu to test on.. but I BET it will produce backtick '`' instead of ' ' space... (if so, then that is also not in the man-page)
[07:21] <bugweiser> yes, but uuencode and uudecode in the gnu-variant are part of the shar-utils package
[07:21] <bugweiser> and the ubuntu manpage is clearly (and explicitly) talking about the gnu filename encoding variant
[07:22] <bugweiser> It is the line Immediately after the line that it is never uuencoded: "This  is  a  GNU  extension."
[07:28] <rfm> bugweiser, aha.  it is important to read uuencode(1), about --encode-file-name.  what it's telling us is that a uuencoded file could have a uuencoding-encoded file name, but GNU uuencode (the one in ubuntu) will never do so.
[07:29]  * bugweiser searching/reading link 
[07:29] <rfm> bugweiser, it remains to see if GNU uudecode will decode a uuencoding-encoded file name..
[07:33] <rfm> Ha, it won't
[07:33] <bugweiser> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/uuencode.1.html
[07:33] <scara> I somehow broke APT, I want to purge this app, please help: https://ttm.sh/iQC.I6QWb0dz
[07:33] <scara> I can't install or remove anything untill I resolve this issue
[07:33] <rfm> so it is kind of a mystery why they bothered to document it.
[07:34] <bugweiser> Since output file names may contain characters that are not handled well by various  transmission modes, you may specify that the output-name be base64 encoded as well.
[07:34] <bugweiser>               (Traditional uuencoding of the file name is not supported.)
[07:34] <bugweiser> I'm missing where it reads that it can have an uuencoded filename..
[07:35] <bugweiser> rfm, what did you test (on what) ?
[07:36] <rfm> I tested if the uudecode in ubuntu would decode a file with that begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P`` header.  it won't.  complains not base64.
[07:36] <bugweiser> clear
[07:37] <rfm> I could see supporting decoding files like that (presumably created with old BSD uuencode), but it doesn't.
[07:37] <scara> I found something on the internet and it works: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1241362/fix-package-post-installation-script-subprocess-returned-error-exit-status-10-fo#125810
[07:38] <tomreyn> scara: hmm, thats rather bad advice, but i guess it can 'work', yes
[07:38] <tomreyn> "Failed to stop timidity.service: Unit timidity.service not loaded." was the root cause of these errors, which could have been resolved by loading this systemd unit.
[07:39] <scara> A solution is a solution, but man I really really hate when that kind of packages show up, I want to just ban that program from all computers in existance. Last time I had reinstalled my computer.
[07:39] <bugweiser> rfm: debian (sharutils package) uudecode:
[07:39] <bugweiser>  uudecode -o /dev/stdout
[07:39] <bugweiser> begin-encoded 644 5$]$3P``
[07:39] <bugweiser> +:&5L;&\@=V]R;&0`
[07:39] <bugweiser> hello world`
[07:39] <bugweiser> end
[07:39] <tomreyn> !paste | bugweiser
[07:39] <scara> I tried to load it but it didn't exist.
[07:39] <scara> The root cause is it needs to stop it itself or it wont work.
[07:40] <rfm> bugweiser, I suspect if you use the -o option (I didn't) it just ignores the encoded name
[07:40] <bugweiser> deal, testing without -o
[07:41] <tomreyn> scara: hmm, did not exist, thats# weird. which ubuntu version are you running and where's this timidity package from?
[07:41] <scara> 20.04 iirc
[07:42] <bugweiser> invalid base64 encoded name: 5$]$3P``
[07:42] <tomreyn> 20.04 has timidity-daemon 2.14.0-8build1 right
[07:42] <scara> Steps to reproduce I think but I wont try reproduceing so it may be a waste of time: Install gajim with all suggestions and recommendations then purge gajim and see a stupid error that makes you pull out your hair.
[07:42] <bugweiser> interesting
[07:43] <xypron> Why does this recur:  W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 871920D1991BC93C Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key (2018)
[07:43] <tomreyn> scara: you could prevent issues with badly maintained packages by only using ubuntu's main and restricted repositories.
[07:43] <rfm> bugweiser, I suspect this traces back to when the GNU sharutils package was initially brought into Debian
[07:44] <bugweiser> then I wonder why ubuntu manpage makes this specific second example (and actually encoded 'TODO' in a way one would expect it, without leading length-char)
[07:44] <scara> I never said I didn't, tomreyn.
[07:44] <rfm> bugweiser, since GNU doesn't believe in manpages, somebody had to make up a uuencode(5) manpage, and probably stole some text from BSD
[07:44] <tomreyn> scara: the package is from universe
[07:44] <scara> What does that even mean?
[07:44] <bugweiser> rfm.. that kinda makes sense..
[07:45] <scara> We are all in the universe if thats what you mean but thats just a stupid observation.
[07:45] <tomreyn> !universe | scara
[07:45] <bugweiser> but then there is a chance that at some point this was actually supported (by gnu)
[07:45] <scara> So there is a ubuntu repo but if I use that ubuntu repo I'm an idiot and its my fault that ubuntu broke.
[07:45] <bugweiser> woudn't be the first time gnu just backs out of their own historical formats (in terms of even read-support)
[07:46] <tomreyn> scara: i don't think anyone said so, no.
[07:46] <bugweiser> rfm, i'll make a note to ping you if I find anything interesting, thanks for your help (just knowing i'm not loosing my marbles so to say really does help!)
[07:47] <tomreyn> scara: removing 'universe' apt sources would have a remarkable impact on packages you can install, but you'd end up with well tested packages only, which should prevent such problems. it's a trade off
[07:52] <rfm> bugweiser, I just checked the uuencode on OS X, which is the most direct BSD descendant I have around.  It never encodes file names at all!
[07:52] <bugweiser> it shouldn't, its purely a gnu extension
[07:54] <bugweiser> (I do wonder, on ubuntu, the default (assuming non-gnu) uuencode, does that end with a backtick '`' if you encode something using the traditional/historical (non base64) algo ? OR a space (the line before 'end')
[07:55] <bugweiser> (lol, extra note, the example that doesn't make sense from the ubuntu manpage... it uses backtick itself... lol)
[07:58] <rfm> bugweiser, ubuntu uuencode ends with backtick, newline, "end", for what it's worth.
[08:00] <bugweiser> manpage:
[08:00] <bugweiser> The body is terminated by a line with a count of zero.  This line consists   of one ASCII space.
[08:00] <bugweiser> (lol, won the bet i had with myself)
[08:01] <bugweiser> may I politely say, that manpage is junk ?
[08:01] <tomreyn> bugweiser: if this is an ubuntu specific issue, please file a bug report, or commit a patch. otherwise, if there's an upstream bug, please report it there.
[08:02] <bugweiser> well, the manpage says:
[08:02] <bugweiser> Provided by: sharutils_4.15.2-4build1_amd64 bug
[08:02] <bugweiser> but it was suspectet that ubuntu put together the manpage as gnu didn't believe in manpages themselves
[08:03] <bugweiser> so, who is upstream for the actual manpage ?
[08:03] <bugweiser> ubuntu or gnu shar-utils ?
[08:03] <rfm> bugweiser, that would be debian, you'll see the same stuff about uuencoded filenames in https://manpages.debian.org/buster/sharutils/uuencode.5.en.html
[08:03] <tomreyn> probably debian, but launchpad shoudl tell
[08:04] <bugweiser> launchpad?
[08:07] <tomreyn> launchpad.net, where, amongst other, the ubuntu bug tracker is hosted and packages are developed.
[08:09] <bugweiser> I don't really know that system (but I'll have a quick look). I'm ok to go through a similar chat on debian tomorrow IIF that is the place to talk about it.  Pointless in identifying the documentation discrepency and not do anything with it :)
[08:10] <tomreyn> i agree, thanks for following up on it.
[08:11] <bugweiser> https://launchpad.net/sharutils
[08:11] <bugweiser> Maintainer:
[08:11] <bugweiser>     Registry Administrators
[08:11] <bugweiser> ?
[08:17] <tomreyn> bugweiser: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sharutils
[08:20] <tomreyn> bugweiser: if you already know that the same man page issues apply to debian, you should turn to debian for reporting them
[08:21] <bugweiser> yes, we've seen the link to debian (as in their manpage)
[08:21] <bugweiser> where would I have seen this info in the launchpad?
[08:22] <bugweiser> I see: sharutils-doc: Documentation for GNU sharutils
[08:22] <bugweiser> Maintainer:  Santiago Vila
[08:22] <tomreyn> manpages are in the main package, not the -doc pakcage
[08:23] <bugweiser> Upstream connections: The GNU Project ?? sharutils ?? head
[08:23] <bugweiser> ah ok
[08:23] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what is the reliable proof that this package is imported from debian. but you can see some references to "import" there, and on the git repository
[08:24] <bugweiser> ok, deal. are there any magic words or folk to ping/reference tomorrow on #debian (that would speed up the chat :) )
[08:25] <tomreyn> i would not know. you can look up their package mantainer and other package specific info on https://tracker.debian.org
[08:25] <bugweiser> deal
[08:25] <tomreyn> their manpages are also published on manpages.debian.org as ubuntu's are published on manpages.ubuntu.com
[08:25] <bugweiser> THANKS for the help rfm and tomreyn !
[08:26] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[08:37] <Assid> heya
[08:37] <Assid> is there a reason ubuntu software ( gui app) doesnt show up the apps from the apt resource ?
[08:37] <Assid> so far whenever i need to get something from apt.. i need to do it from cli / apt .. and the ubuntu software (gui) pulls from snapcraft
[09:14] <Guest27> Did dist-upgrade on bionic 18.04 system (to 4.15.0-166.174) on 2022 Jan 09.  Now automount of usb stick not working.  Anybody willing to share a clue about where to tell Canonical or look at what they are working on?
[09:22] <tomreyn> Guest27: maybe the best option is to just ignore this issue for now and upgrade all the way to 20.04 already?
[09:24] <tomreyn> Guest27: if you want to look into this more, though, you can watch what's happening when you connect the usb stick using    jounralctl -f    and   udevadm monitor    - to quit those, just hit ctrl-c
[09:24] <tomreyn> that's    journalctl -f     (i had a typo there)
[09:49] <Guest27> There is a bit more to it.  All worked fine until I did 'apt dist-upgrade'.  Now the usb stick I've been using for over a year without problems is not playing well with the machine.  fsck.vfat is acting as though it is finding a perfectly good filesystem except that every time I take the stick out and put it back in again the identical problem
[09:49] <Guest27> repeats.
[09:50] <Guest27> My expectation is that wherever the latest discussion of "Just did the latest upgrade and now  . . . ." I might find something useful.
[09:51] <Guest27> tomreyn:  Yike.  Been a very long time since I used IRC.  I don't recall how to direct comm to a particular user name.
[09:53] <tomreyn> Guest27: sounds like it could be physical decay you're dealing with
[09:53] <tomreyn> and oyu may need to   fsck -f  to identify that (on a non-mounted file system)
[09:54] <tomreyn> Guest27: << this is a direct response to a particular user, as you just did.
[09:55] <tomreyn> you can set a better nickname than "Guest27" by typing    /nick SomeBetterNick
[09:56] <Guest27> tomreyn:  Could be physical.  Would really prefer to just revert the most recent known change for a 5 minute yes/no.
[09:56] <Guest27> tomreyn:  Problem is that "fsck -f" gives same answer each time I run it.  This is not behaving like a physical problem or a problem with the "disk".
[09:57] <nominickle> Better?  :-)
[09:58] <tomreyn> nominickle: much better. :) i'm not sure i understand what you mean by "Would really prefer to just revert the most recent known change for a 5 minute yes/no."
[09:59] <nominickle> tomreyn:  Part of my problem is that I dare not risk trashing anything else trying to determine if it is physical.
[09:59] <tomreyn> nominickle: you are worried about data loss on a usb stick?
[10:00] <nominickle> I did "apt dist-upgrade".  I would like to do "apt nevermind" and get back the configuration that was working yesterday.
[10:00] <tomreyn> those have limited write cycles, i would always expect them to break any minute
[10:00] <tomreyn> but the apt dis-upgrade was not un the usb stick but on a proper storage, i assume?
[10:01] <tomreyn> but the 'apt dist-upgrade' was not on the usb stick but on a proper storage, i assume?   << some typos fixed
[10:02] <nominickle> tomreyn:  Please do not tell anyone but I have exercised poor labeling discipline on most of my USB sticks.  I have several which I know are blank but nothing I dare "see if this one still works".
[10:03] <nominickle> USB stick is just for stashing files in case I erase today's edits to my salad recipe.
[10:04] <nominickle> It has nothing to do with the OS/install/apt.
[10:04] <tomreyn> nominickle: i won't share your secret beyond this irc channel. i'd suggest using "f3" package for testing the health of a usb stick
[10:05] <tomreyn> so the ubuntu release upgrade and apparently lost configuration of usb auto mounting occurred on proper, internal storage, right?
[10:07] <nominickle> tomereyn:  Not quite and yes.
[10:07] <tomreyn> if you're using "usbmount", this may be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbmount/+bug/1768010
[10:07] <nominickle> tomreyn:  What stopped happening was automounting.  And touching the device seems to be broken.
[10:08] <tomreyn> so if usb automounting doesn't work in general, maybe that's why
[10:09] <tomreyn> but if it only doesn'T work for this one usb stick, i'd rather concentrate on understanding what's special about it
[10:10] <tomreyn> if you're referring to GUI based automounts only, then you'd rather look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Configuring_Automounting
[10:11] <nominickle> Nope.  I actually went over that bug before I got here.  All of that worked fine, yesterday.  I started with Bionic 18.04.6.  My dist-upgrade took me from kernel 4.15.0-163 to 4.15.0-166 along with a few of its friends.
[10:17] <nominickle> ubottu:  Huh?
[10:18] <nominickle> I do not recall.  When I preface a line with "user:" does everybody else still get the message or is it "private"?
[10:23] <tomreyn> nominickle: it still goes to the channel, and "user"'s client may choose to highlight that line
[10:24] <nominickle> As I mentioned, it has been a long time.
[10:25] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[10:25] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 bionic
[10:26] <tomreyn> nominickle: install this if you wan tthe newer kernel image
[10:27] <tomreyn> https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449 for background info
[10:29] <timurcer3a> registration code
[10:31] <timurcer3a> How is my registration code
[10:32] <tomreyn> timurcer3a: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[10:33] <Draget[m]> If I use the server ISO and install desktop-ubuntu, are there other significant differences to the regular desktop install? (maybe a different flavor if the kernel, but apart from that?)
[10:35] <tomreyn> Draget[m]: the kernel would be the same, network connection management would default to cloud-init and netplan and systemd-networkd, and you may wish to move to network-manager instead
[10:35] <tomreyn> i'm not sure as to whether an openssh server would be pre-installed
[10:36] <tomreyn> unattended-upgrades may be pre-installed.
[10:44]  * forbes-award anyone want to be awarded to be in forbes , come to efnet channel #holyhacker , By The Most High Lord Jesus Christ with skraito , https://facebook.com/worldhacker.org
[10:44] <nominickle> tomreyn:  How do I determine if "linux-generic=4.15.0.163.152" (amd64) is available for download?
[10:46] <tomreyn> nominickle: sudo apt update && sudo apt policy linux-generic
[10:47] <tomreyn> either the very version will be listed there, then it's available, or not, then it's not.
[10:49] <nominickle> tomreyn: Installed and candidate versions match.  Where do I go to download the package version which was was there (and worked) yesterday?
[10:49] <nominickle> I've never used "apt policy" before.  And it seems to be undocumented.  Thank you.
[10:51] <tomreyn> nominickle: look at the apt-cache man page
[10:52] <tomreyn> to install the other package version you'd    sudo apt install linux-generic=4.15.0.163.152
[10:53] <tomreyn> that's if it's still available
[10:54] <Aarch64debian> hello, how do you find lost partition/fix broken partition table
[10:55] <tomreyn> Aarch64debian: testdisk, if you are running ubuntu
[10:55] <tomreyn> a supported ubuntu version, specifically
[10:55] <Aarch64debian> is it good
[10:56] <tomreyn> if you know or spend time on understanding how to use it, yes
[10:56] <nominickle> "that's if it's still available"  Bingo.
[10:58] <tomreyn> nominickle: usually, the latest version should work fine. if it doesn't, you also should have the last but one installed so should be able to boot into that instead. independently from that, on an LTS release, you can also switch between GA and HWE versions
[10:58] <nominickle> tomreyn:  What appears to be the case is that the repos I am drawing from have wiped all the older versions of all the packages that actually do anything, hence everything which might undo whatever changed (and which I am assuming broke my system).
[10:59] <tomreyn> that's all the help i can provide without more specific info
[10:59] <nominickle> Where/how would I have the last but one version available/installed?  I've got several versions of the kernel installed but the various flavors of systemd et al are version jealous.
[11:01] <nominickle> How do I switch to GA or HWE version?  If they've got a recent rev I can draw that will presumably be enough to convince me to poke at hardware instead.
[11:02] <nominickle> Oh.  Wait.  If that is on your github page never mind.  Sorry.  Being absentminded.
[11:03] <nominickle> tomreyn:  Going to bed now.  Thank you tomreyn.
[11:04] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[11:05] <tomreyn> this may be of use tomorrow: apt list installed linux-*
[11:05] <tomreyn> you can choose between installed kernels from the grub menu
[11:06] <tomreyn> which can be brought up after POST by hitting escape (uefi boot) or holding down boot (bios boot)
[12:24] <Draget[m]> I really wonder why the text-mode installer isn't part of every Ubuntu release / flavor. Also for desktop. I have an old laptop which I only managed to install now by blacklisting some modules for the GPU.
[13:24] <oerheks> Draget[m], mini iso is legacy, still available..
[13:24] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233746/download-ubuntu-minimal-iso-20-04lts
[13:24] <oerheks> "Note that it moved to legacy images. Folks who use this image should start to look at newer options:"
[13:30] <zetaE> hei
[13:30] <zetaE> question
[13:33] <zetaE> hello¿
[13:33] <pasiz> hello hello
[13:33] <pasiz> don't tell you have question, just ask it
[13:35] <zetaE> which is a good *buntu distro without the gnomosexual UI?
[13:35] <zetaE> with all its features that doesn.t compromise usability?
[13:37] <tomreyn> !flavors | zetaE
[13:37] <zetaE> tomreyn: I don.t want a crippled flavor
[13:37] <tomreyn> we don't do recommendations for other distros here, nor comparisons of ubuntu and ubuntu flavors to others
[13:37] <zetaE> like puppy linux *buntu edition
[13:38] <zetaE> tomreyn: are you serious? it's a simple request
[13:38] <tomreyn> zetaE: maybe try #linux for those comparisons, but also work on your language
[13:39] <zetaE> tomreyn: can I stay here and wait for somebody else to give an acceptable answer?
[13:40] <tomreyn> zetaE: you can stay here, of course. but others will also comply with the channel !guidelines (see topic) most of the time.
[13:41] <krytarik> Also, I'd rather like we don't engage in distro discussions unless it's within the supported Ubuntu flavors.
[13:45] <idelos[m]> Which email client is better for old hardware? But not too complicated
[13:46] <ioria> idelos[m], gui or tui ?
[13:48] <ioria> idelos[m], i mean : graphical or textual ?
[13:48] <idelos[m]> Gui
[13:48] <ioria> idelos[m], i'd say sylpheed
[13:49] <tomreyn> idelos[m]: if you want a graphical (user) interface, and thunderbird seems too taxing, then maybe claws mail could work. those with a textual interface would certianly be faster
[13:50] <idelos[m]> ioria: I’ll try it
[13:50] <ioria> ok
[13:50] <idelos[m]> tomreyn: Thunderbird is not for me
[13:51] <idelos[m]> I tried mailspring but my computer got slow
[13:52] <ioria> tha's snap
[13:53] <idelos[m]> Should I avoid snap packages?
[13:54] <ioria> nope, but they're always a bit slower
[13:54] <idelos[m]> Ok
[13:56] <kostkon> idelos[m], they are slow to start sometimes, but once you start them they are fine. you are talking strictly about start up times here.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:56] <kostkon> we are*
[13:57] <idelos[m]> kostkon: Thanks for the explanation
[13:57]  * Maik doesn't use any email client for years now, all web based, from my provider to gmail
[13:58] <idelos[m]> I’m trying to avoid Google if possible
[13:59] <BluesKaj> good luck with that :-)
[14:01] <idelos[m]> My email provider is not google
[14:02] <Maik> mine neither, my internet provider has a web based mail on which i can log in idelos[m]
[14:02] <jkc> If you browse to any site that isn't controlled by you, odds are good that you're interfacing with Google somehow.
[14:04] <kostkon> jkc, like 98% of the time, be it ads, trackers, other services
[14:05] <jkc> Yup.
[14:05] <idelos[m]> Firefox + temporary containers + duckduckgo helps to avoid google tracking my activity
[14:07] <orange1> firefox focus i use
 "idelos, i'd say sylpheed" <- Btw sylpheed looks perfect
[14:07] <mannequin> ubuntu derps when i restart tor
[14:07] <mannequin> afterwards i  need to restart gdm3
[14:12] <jkc> idelos[m]: The funny thing? It really doesn't. Neither your browser nor addons can prevent server-side code from running, and anything about your connection that's external to the browser is the same as well. And don't say "VPN," because if your solution to not trusting a company is to trust another company that's orders of magnitude more shady, I don't know how to help you.
[14:15] <idelos[m]> More shady than google? Is there a facebook vpn?
[14:17] <tomreyn> please move theis meta discussion elsewhere, such as #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks!
[14:43] <OpenBDSM> does anyone have quick gist on the differences between xfce/cinnamon/mate?
[14:43] <oerheks> !flavors
[14:45] <OpenBDSM> okay, cinnamon it is
[14:45] <oerheks> have fuN!
[15:17] <derek_> hello
[15:18] <derek_> i got tired of the flakey plasma windows manager and switched back to gnome classic. now when i loginto a gnome classic session i have to enter my sudo password 4 or five times as different windows pop up requesting it. how do i stop this?
[15:19] <oerheks> 4 times?
[15:20] <oerheks> enter it right, i guess
[15:20] <derek_> no you dont understand.... its asking me to authenticate for 4 different items
[15:22] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you on there?
[15:22] <tomreyn> the difficulty with getting support with the gnome-classic GUI is that not many here will be using it.
[15:24] <derek_> im runnin 20.-4
[15:24] <derek_> 20.04 sorry
[15:25] <derek_> ill probably use a different windows manager and just keep gnome classic as my fall back. i just thought it was weird i had to authenticate so many times
[15:26] <tomreyn> i agree, this does not seem right.
[15:26] <derek_> the important thing is that kde and plasma are gone :)
[15:27] <tomreyn> your logs may have more information on what is causing the repeat password prompts
[15:27] <derek_> they arnt repeat* per say.... they are for different things. but yeah i get ya.....
[15:27] <derek_> recomend me a windows manager?
[15:28] <tomreyn> any of those of used by the flavours
[15:28] <tomreyn> !flavor
[15:30] <derek_> in regular ubuntu do alt?
[15:31] <derek_> in regular ubuntu does it come with unity or gnome 3 by default ?
[15:31] <Maik> gnome 3
[15:31] <Maik> Unity7 was discontinued with 17.10
[15:35] <Maik> derek_: by the way, Ubuntu 21.10 comes with Gnome 40
[15:36] <Maik> I'm using a Ubuntu remix though that ships Unity: Ubuntu Unity Remix
[15:37] <ioria> you can now have 'Unity experience' with gnome-shell (with Compiz effects) : https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/make-gnome-shell-look-like-unity-desktop
[15:38] <Maik> ioria: who needs that when there's a ubuntu unity remix for users who want and miss unity
[15:38] <leftyfb> Maik: people who want support :)
[15:38] <ioria> someone who wants to switch to gnome-shell when he wants
[15:39] <Maik> the project has it's own support media and irc channel too leftyfb :)
[15:40] <Maik> ioria: all done with extensions... yikes
[15:41] <ioria> yep, that would be a problem (in my h opinion)
[15:41] <Maik> derek_: i hope you didn't miss the previous replies :)
[15:41] <derek_> i missed a few im sure
[15:41] <derek_> what happened?
[15:41] <Maik> derek_: 20.04 comes with Gnome 3, 21.10 with Gnome 40
[15:42] <derek_> oh ok
[15:42] <Maik> derek_: I'm using a Ubuntu remix though that ships Unity: Ubuntu Unity Remix
[15:42] <derek_> well i just failed at installing gnome 3. but i made some notes on the authentication windows that pop up.
[15:43] <derek_> i honestly wouldnt mind using unity classic. if i could work through the buggyness
[15:43] <ioria> but having the Cube back, is worth : https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/linux-3d-cube-desktop
[15:43] <Maik> but there's no support for Ubuntu Unity Remix in this channel until we become a official flavor derek_
[15:43] <tomreyn> derek_: for what it's worth, i just installed gnome-session-flashback on a clean ubuntu 20.04 installation, and logged into the flashback shell, and got no password prompts
[15:44] <derek_> so i log in through the login screen and a window pops up asking me to enter my password: To create a color profile, and then for modification of networks settings (asks this three times) and then to create a color manaaged device and then it asks me for my password twice for "privacy settings"
[15:44] <tomreyn> i suggest starting out with a fresh ubuntu installation there.
[15:45] <Maik> +1 tomreyn
[15:45] <tomreyn> or a new user account at least
[15:45] <derek_> i just dont have time for that. i have entirely too many modifications on too many pieces of software to make them work
[15:45] <derek_> i think ditching gnome classic is the solution
[15:46] <ioria> flashback != gnome classic
[15:46] <derek_> may i tell the story of how i got into this spot ? maybe it will shed light onto the problem?
[15:47] <tomreyn> ioria: what's 'gnome classic' then?
[15:47] <ioria> tomreyn, flashback is gnome 2
[15:48] <ioria> tomreyn, gnome-classic would be installed , if you simply install gnome-shell-extensions
[15:48] <derek_> i was using ubuntu 20.04 with whatver wm it comes with. and everything was greta. and then i installed kde-desktop and then plasma desktop. everything runs worse on kde..... so now i want to go back, so i thought (ill just log into a gnome session and purge-kde. and now im setting in a gnome classic wm wandering how to get back to the default wm.
[15:48] <ioria> it's gnome 3, but wiithout the widgets of shell
[15:49] <derek_> so i tried this tutorial https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-gnome-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa and it didnt work..... i assume because its still installed from my original ubuntu install.... but idk how to get to that wm
[15:49] <tomreyn> ioria: oh you mean the less ubuntu branded, more oroginal gnome 3 shell
[15:50] <ioria> tomreyn, it's simpler and less ram used
[15:50] <tomreyn> derek_: so which of the two were you referring to originally?
[15:51] <ioria> tomreyn, only one binary : /usr/bin/gnome-session-classic
[15:51] <Maik> derek_: install DE's on top of another and then removing them can be messy. I suggest a clean install and start from scratch.
[15:51] <derek_> tomreyn, i dont understand the question? i just want the default wm back
[15:52] <derek_> Maik, as ive said i dont have time for that. most of this software isnt native to linux and it all runs great but took hours to set up
[15:52] <tomreyn> ioria: i assume by "gnome classic" you are referring to what package vanilla-gnome-desktop provides
[15:52] <ioria> nope
[15:53] <tomreyn> okay, then i'm failing to understand, sorry.
[15:54] <ioria> tomreyn, if you install  gnome-shell-extensions , you'll find another item in /usr/share/xsessions : gnome-classic.desktop
[15:54] <tomreyn> derek_: the default window manager on ubuntu 20.04 is mutter, combined with gnome-shell into the Ubuntu branded Gnome 3
[15:54] <derek_> tomreyn, heres a screen shot of what im calling gnome classic
[15:54] <derek_> https://pasteboard.co/x3GQW8geInrl.png
[15:55] <ioria> tomreyn, as usual, you can logout and select it from the login manager
[15:55] <tomreyn> ioria: oh, thanks for explaining. i was thinking that gnome-shell-extensions was installed by default
[15:55] <ioria> ok
[15:55] <derek_> so the only answer to get my install back to the way it was is a fresh wipe of everything?
[15:57] <ogra> derek_, definitely not .... but probably the fastest
[15:58] <ogra> the alternative is to untangle all the GUI lib dependencies and remove the bits you added over time
[15:58] <darius_> hello everyone
[15:59] <derek_> ogra, why do i need to do that? this wm is working...... but theres the login issue (i am able to login) and a bluetooth issue. if i can work through these two issues then im more than happy staying with this
[16:00] <tomreyn> derek_: i *think* (though not sure) that the screenshot you posted shows a GTK2 based gnome-session-flashback session.
[16:00] <ogra> i think there was a gnome3 look like this ...
[16:01] <derek_> tomreyn, "gnome version 3.36.8 X11"
[16:01] <ogra> derek_, well, are these prompts coming from a "send error report" dialog ?
[16:01] <derek_> ogra, no i dont think so
[16:02] <tomreyn> derek_: okay, then this is more likely what ioria described or what the vanilla-gnome-desktop package does
[16:02] <ogra> so then they are likely for some background desktop services that the plasma desktop normally provides
[16:03] <ogra> and i guess some of these still try to start despite you running a different session ... but they likely dont find some authentication backend that plasma would usually provide ...
[16:03] <ogra> and there i guess you need to untangle ...
[16:04] <derek_> tomreyn, ogra ok
[16:04] <tomreyn> and, unlike me, ogra actually knows what they're talking about. ;-)
[16:05] <ogra> am i ? i'm just guessing as well 🙂
[16:05] <derek_> let me log out and back on real fast and ill take more detailed notes
[16:05] <tomreyn> ogra: you have a better understanding of where the one flavor ends and the other one starts i'm sure
[16:05] <ogra> a look at the running pocesses might also help
[16:11] <derek_> hello
[16:14] <derek_> when i log in there is a plain white window that pops up. at the top it says "authentication required" and it has a description of what needs authentication. the first is "authentication is required to create a color profile" i enter my pass word and the same window pops up again but this time the description is "system policy prevents modification of network settings for all users" < this dialogue comes back five times. i have to e
[16:14] <derek_> nter my pass word five times and press ok five times. and then the dialogue comes back and says "authentication is required to create a color managed device" < this requires me to enter my password and press ok twice. and then im in my gnome desktop and everything works perfectly
[16:26] <ioria> i guess he was connecting via RDP
[16:30] <kostkon> ioria, their fault for leaving out critical information
[16:30] <ioria> just a speculation
[16:30] <kostkon> ioria, let's say 50-50 then
[16:30] <ioria> ok
[16:35] <thebros35>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER thebros35 wdYKztgmV8QQprmk
[17:45] <lagbox> hello, is there a way to find out what is inhibiting the screen from sleeping, i have it set to dim the screen after 10 minutes but at the moment something is inhibiting this behavior and I can't figure out what it is
[17:46] <lagbox> in X with gnome-shell
[17:48] <oerheks> power managment, i guess
[17:48] <lagbox> yea the power management, i need to figure out what application is inhibiting it from working correctly
[17:48] <oerheks> settings > power
[17:48] <lagbox> usually this is after i have ran vlc, but vlc is not running at the moment
[17:48] <oerheks> if set correctly, no program should trigger sleeping
[17:49] <lagbox> something is inhibiting it from dimming the screen
[17:49] <lagbox> it is as if it isn't idle
[17:50] <lagbox> if i start up the session fresh it will dim itself in 10 minutes, but i can't figure out what application is inhibiting it
[17:50] <lagbox> at the moment
[17:50] <oerheks> power - blan screen - never
[17:50] <lagbox> i want it to blank the screen
[17:50] <lagbox> i want it to blank the screen after 10 minutes, which is how i have it set
[17:51] <lagbox> i just want to know what application is inhibiting this behavior
[17:51] <oerheks> auto suspend off
[17:51] <lagbox> i don't have it set to suspend
[17:51] <lagbox> ever
[17:51] <oerheks> then systemsettings > PRIVACY > screen lock
[17:51] <lagbox> i just want the screen to dim
[17:51] <oerheks> maybe that part is hidden too far
[17:51] <lagbox> it works fine, on a fresh session
[17:51] <lagbox> it isn't the settings
[17:51] <lagbox> there is some application that is inhibiting it
[17:51] <oerheks> 2 places, i had to set it correctly
[17:52] <kostkon> lagbox, maybe vlc lurks in the background after you close it. does 'ps -A | grep -i vlc' output anything?
[17:52] <lagbox> it isn't running
[17:52] <lagbox> at all
[17:52] <oerheks> again, check; systemsettings > PRIVACY > screen lock
[17:53] <lagbox> okay ... if i login and just don't run anything in 10 minutes, it will dim like it is supposed to
[17:53] <lagbox> so an application is inhibiting, its not the settings
[17:53] <lagbox> and i dont know which one is doing it
[17:54] <oerheks> oh oke, you want to dim screen, no matter what is running?
[17:54] <lagbox> that is what i keep saying
[17:54] <lagbox> that is how it is setup
[17:54] <oerheks> sorry, i misunderstood :-D
[17:54] <lagbox> but some random application is inhibiting that, i just want to know if there is a way to find out what application is doing it
[17:54] <lagbox> if there isn't then there isn't, done
[17:55] <lagbox> if vlc was running that would make sense but even then that is usually only if the video is actually running
[17:55] <lagbox> don't have this issue with wayland with gnome-shell
[17:55] <lagbox> have other fun issues with wayland :)
[17:56] <oerheks> if it is a laptop, connected powersupply perhaps?
[17:56] <ogra> most media players will inhibit it by default while they are running, but should free up the lock when you close them
[17:56] <lagbox> ogra, right that is what i would assume as well
[17:56] <ogra> (because it is annoying to have to wiggle your mouse every 10 min while watching a movie)
[17:56] <lagbox> indeed
[17:56] <oerheks> tlp tools can see that, AFAIK
[17:57] <ogra> so i guess you should just watch which apps you started when it happens
[17:57] <lagbox> okay so there is no way to find that out
[17:57] <ogra> and then report a bug against that app if it does not release the lock
[17:59] <lagbox> process of elimination
[17:59] <lagbox> danke
[17:59] <ken-ken> Antbody here can help me to install printer's driver for Canon G2000?
[18:00] <oerheks> Canon G2000, is it listed in openprinting.org?
[18:00] <ken-ken> i am not check it yet. i will check it
[18:02] <jhutchins> lagbox: Utilities like top and ps can show you what processes are running.  Compare the list from 'ps ax' when you have a 'clean" session with one that is inhibiting sleep.
[18:02] <ken-ken> oerheks: it listed
[18:02] <lagbox> right process of elimination
[18:03] <lagbox> if something has to create a lock, then there should be a way to find out what has a lock
[18:04] <jhutchins> Gnome has a nasty habit of starting processes you didn't ask for and leaving them running when you're not using the system.
[18:04] <lagbox> indeed
[18:04] <lagbox> but if something is inhibiting the power management there should be some way to find out what is doing that since the power management system would know
[18:05] <lagbox> odd that there isn't
[18:06] <lagbox> more research time for me
[18:07] <lagbox> thanks for the ideas
[18:08] <oerheks> https://canonprintersdrivers.net/canon-pixma-g2000-driver/ no driver, and openprinting qualifies it as a paperweight.
[18:09] <ken-ken> oerheks: is that mean not compatible for ubuntu?
[18:11] <oerheks> this forum points to gutenprint, https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/connected-to-usb-but-printer-not-working/3206/2  but all i find is old 16.04 howtos
[18:11] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/873640/how-to-solve-canon-pixma-g2000-driver-problems-on-ubuntu-16-04/943899#943899
[18:11] <oerheks> so, i wonder ..
[18:11] <oerheks> https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Canon/Canon-PIXMA_G2000
[18:12] <oerheks> oh, more recent; https://seegatesite.com/driver-printer-canon-pixma-g2010-ubuntu/
[18:12] <oerheks> g2000 and g2010 are the same package
[18:13] <ken-ken> oerheks: i think it same. G2000 series
[18:14] <ken-ken> thank you for your assits. i will try it
[18:15] <oerheks> thhis is just one of the canon printers with less support, i guess not many sold. else openprinting would be active on it.
[18:17] <ken-ken> oerheks: when i try to buil dep, the command say: E: Unable to find a source package for cups-common
[18:37] <OpenBDSM> hi. I've installed some more recent ubuntu-based distro and don't like some aspects of it. One of them 'apt' being /usr/local/bin/apt instead of proper /usr/bin/apt. The package that provides that file is 'mintsystem' does anyone know if any GUI package managers will get broken if I uninstall mintsystem package?
[18:38] <OpenBDSM> oh my, `dpkg -L mintsystem` answered that.
[18:38] <oerheks> OpenBDSM, try the #linuxmint channel?
[18:39] <OpenBDSM> oerheks, oh, they got a channel, nice. Thanks
[18:39] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:45] <OpenBDSM> that chan is >10x times smaller and no responses there TT
[18:55] <jhutchins> OpenBDSM: Mint tends to have good technical support, perhaps at the expense of instant gratification.
[18:56] <jhutchins> OpenBDSM: Most Linux distros are following th etrend to merge /usr/local/bin with /usr/bin
[18:56] <OpenBDSM> jhutchins, merge how?
[18:56] <Maik> !Mint
[18:56] <Maik> OpenBDSM: ^
[18:57] <Maik> we don't support mint here
[18:57] <OpenBDSM> Maik, >:[
[18:57] <Maik> it is as it is OpenBDSM
[18:57] <OpenBDSM> I wouldn't switch from ubuntu if it wasn't being so pushy about snapd
[19:12] <Apachez> !ubuntu
[19:15] <jkc> OpenBDSM: snaps actually solve a number of problems that have plagued Linux distros for years. Look at chromium in Debian. That's why Ubuntu installs it as a snap.
[19:15] <jkc> certbot is another good example.
[19:16] <OpenBDSM> IMO snaps introduce more problems then they solve.
[19:16] <OpenBDSM> what's about chromium in Debian?
[19:16] <jkc> Okay. You're welcome to your opinion, however erroneous it may be.
[19:16] <leftyfb> OpenBDSM: ok, feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic or #snappy. Good luck with #linuxmint
[19:17] <OpenBDSM> I'm now investigating a switch from mint to Debian, it's another deb-based distro that is yet uninfected by snap
[19:18] <leftyfb> OpenBDSM: ok, good luck. Feel free to post here with ubuntu support questions if you ever decide to use ubuntu
[19:19] <OpenBDSM> thanks, I still use Ubuntu on my home PC for now (18.04, probably will die in may)
[19:30] <tebruno99> Man, I'm out. Someone PM Me when this turns back into a helpful open community channel & the topic police have retired.
[19:30] <tebruno99> 22 years, pfft, should have stayed on Freenode.
[19:32] <leftyfb> Ubuntu has only been out for 17 years
[19:33] <toddc> Drama on linux or Ubuntu?
[19:34] <Maik> toddc: he's making a drama out of it it seems, if we do not support mint we do not support it. Simple as that.
[19:46] <jinnjus> kllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll,m']
[19:48] <Maik> jinnjus: need help with anything?
[19:52] <jinnjus> omg...sorry...my cat
[19:52] <Maik> lol
[20:01] <bugweiser> rfm and tomreyn, re yesterday:
[20:01] <bugweiser> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760508
 8 year old bug report on an issue that originally appeared who knows when, maybe it was a university student BSing something to get it done on the clock, #debian will not easily be able to find the original reason for this
 my advice would be, fix the man page, reply to that bug with fix attached and tag the bug 'patch', and cc debian-doc@lists.debian.org
[20:08] <a1_> clear
[20:09] <bugweiser> a1_ that at me?
[20:09] <Guest5135> https://space-of-datings.top/fbvideo/?u=92ywwwl&o=rxn8un2
[20:09] <leftyfb> !op | Guest5135
[20:09] <leftyfb> bugweiser: what is your Ubuntu support question exactly?
[20:10] <bugweiser> I was reporting back (as promised). the documentation source in this case turned out to be debian
[20:12] <bugweiser> though.. *any* help regarding figuring out if that particular second example was manually 'crafted' out of thin air, or 'simply' pasted from gnu sharutils uuencode output (meaning this format once upon a time really was produced by gnu uuencode) would very much be appreciated... It would aid in writing a significantly better manpage upstream (which would in turn also benefit ubuntu and other debian derivatives).
[20:13] <Guest5135> https://yip.su/26zpB6.jpeg
[20:13] <leftyfb> Guest5135: stop
[20:13] <bugweiser> (being the example specified in the bugrapport, noting that that bugrapport didn't notice the rest of the description of the historical algo is also incorrect (space instead of backtick)
[20:24] <oerheks> bugweiser, why copy paste what you already said in #debian?
[20:25] <bugweiser> I didn't, I rapported back, as I promised. These are new words (apart from the response of sney which obviously I copied)
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[22:01] <ogra> thanks krytarik
[22:02] <krytarik> Well, he'll be back later again anyway.. >_>
[22:04] <oerheks> grinn
[22:05] <Gaboradon> Hello
[22:05] <bugweiser> :)
[22:06] <Gaboradon> Is there a way I could "verify" or compare my state of the root/OS versus the original image I installed, to see the diff I did and give me an overview to backup changes I did to defaults, it's 20.04 LTS, is perhaps "System Validation Mode" exactly that?
[22:07] <Gaboradon> Without doing a manual diff with terminal :p I could just take the image, extract it and do a diff but if there's a tool for just this process?
[22:07] <oerheks> there is debsums, to do a sanity check
[22:08] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install debsums &&  sudo debsums
[22:08] <kostkon> !info debsums
[22:08] <oerheks> not exactly against your packages, they might even have updates in between
[22:10] <oerheks> Verify every installed package and report changed files only.>> sudo debsums -c
[22:10] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: you want to use something like ansible to have "build instructions" to build it the same ever time. If you make change after your first deploy, make sure to add those changes to your playbook
[22:11] <peacefulman> helpful for the debsums command, thanks
[22:12] <peacefulman> when I installed ubuntu it said there was an error in the media but I was impatient and installed anyway :/
[22:14] <ogra> krytarik, yeah, i justs didn't want your fighting of windmills go unnoticed 😉
[22:14] <krytarik> Yeah, thanks! XD
[22:23] <Gaboradon> oerheks: interesting, but I only need actual contents of the changes I did to various .conf files in /etc rather than program instalations, I could do it all manually but I hoped for a faster way.
[22:25] <oerheks> oh oke, -ca or -ce
[22:25] <leftyfb> Gaboradon: if you only want to see changes to files, then use something like fswatch or tripwire
[22:25] <oerheks> https://sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/03/02/how-to-verify-installed-packages/
[22:25] <oerheks> Verify every installed package and report changed configuration files only.
[22:25] <oerheks> $ sudo debsums -ce
[22:26] <nikolam> Any opinions over Linux kernel overcommit or turn it off?  (/proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory 2  is to stop overcommit)?
[22:27] <leftyfb> nikolam: you probably want #linux
[22:28] <oerheks> !info filetraq
[22:28] <leftyfb> or that :)
[22:28] <leftyfb> or git repos
[22:28] <oerheks> still, debsums are my favo, though there is an issue with files in /etc/  something
[22:30] <Gaboradon> Interesting
[22:34] <jhutchins> !tripwire
[22:34] <jhutchins> Nope.
[22:35] <jhutchins> http://tripwire.sf.net/
[22:49] <kenyon> Gaboradon: install etckeeper immediately after installing Ubuntu.
[22:50] <Gaboradon> Will do next time, thanks a lot!
[22:51] <kenyon> Never too soon to start using etckeeper too
[22:52] <kenyon> Err, never too late
[23:08] <hays> is there anything newer than 21.10, like a nightly or other snapshot?
[23:08] <oerheks> yes, 22.04 is in development, join #ubuntu-next for that
[23:08] <oerheks> !22.04
[23:09] <oerheks> daily build https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:09] <oerheks> .. it will be LTS
[23:17] <sem> For some reason, booting the 5.4 Linux kernel gives me virtual terminals but no GUI. What can I do to start investigating this? Lubuntu 20.04.3
[23:25] <jhutchins> sem: Does the default screen have a flashing cursor or anything?
[23:27] <jhutchins> sem: What is your graphics chipset?
[23:29] <sem> It shows some boot messages and I can switch to the virtual terminals. I tried "startx" and I get a very low res ubuntu
[23:29] <sem> jhutchins: I forget the exact name, but it's an old one that uses nvidia-340
[23:31] <sem> jhutchins: GeForce GT 240
[23:48] <ELQEYNN> On the Nautilus file browser, how do you see hidden files?
[23:50] <sem> pretty sure it's ctrl-h