[08:30] <croraf> Regarding my discussion the other day about https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html
[08:30] <croraf> Can we make that instead of focal:linux-hwe-5.11 and focal:linux-hwe-5.13 it stands hwe and hwe-edge, because these are the proper names
[08:31] <croraf> If I'm right.
[13:46] <klebers> croraf, that map shows the versions of the source packages. For the hwe kernels, what tell which kernel is the hwe and which is the hwe-edge are the meta packages which are not represented there
[21:51] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, are there any plans to bump kpatch to a more recent version for jammy?
[22:31] <chiluk> Hey folks.  Anyone know why we don't have nvidia-driver-stable and nvidia-driver-testing meta packages in Ubuntu?
[22:31] <chiluk> it seems like a no brainer...
[22:32] <chiluk> it's so easy to get left behind with nvidia-drivers now-adays.
[22:55] <sarnold> chiluk: I've always assumed that was because nvidia abandons old drivers aggressively enough that a lot of folks are on abandoned series
[22:56] <sarnold> it's *really* annoying for the folks who are stuck on eg nvidia-340, because that has a bug that prevents it from installing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853977
[23:09] <chiluk> sarnold that kind of seems like an excuse...
[23:09] <chiluk> sarnold are you aware of any wiki's describing the existing "right" way for end users to do nvidia drivers in Ubuntu?
[23:10] <chiluk> if it's simply install nvidia-drivers-### that seems error prone.
[23:10] <chiluk> we really should instead prefer install nvidia-drivers-stable meta package which depends on nvidia-drivers-###...
[23:10] <chiluk> that way people don't get "stuck" as you so astutely put it.
[23:11] <sarnold> chiluk: I think "ubuntu-drivers install" is the recommended tool
[23:11] <sarnold> the trouble is that nvidia no longer cares about device XYZ after N months
[23:11] <chiluk> oh interesting.. I was unfamiliar with that.
[23:11] <sarnold> so we've got to have the old drivers available
[23:11] <chiluk> it's not months though.
[23:11] <chiluk> it's like YEARS..
[23:11] <sarnold> and we can't just apt upgrade people along the way, because the next major version of the driver might drop their device entirely
[23:12] <chiluk> that's a really good point... 
[23:12] <chiluk> that's a good reason to not have the meta package.
[23:12] <sarnold> I'm not sure when exactly they drop support, it probably has more to do with the hardware specifics than any hard rule
[23:12] <sarnold> I just know that there's a lot of folks who have cards that aren't supported by the latest, and they'd like to keep using those cards on ubuntu
[23:13] <chiluk> sarnold: yeah it's usually they are trying to drop code paths that are optimized differently for the newer architectures.