[08:30] Regarding my discussion the other day about https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html [08:30] Can we make that instead of focal:linux-hwe-5.11 and focal:linux-hwe-5.13 it stands hwe and hwe-edge, because these are the proper names [08:31] If I'm right. [13:46] croraf, that map shows the versions of the source packages. For the hwe kernels, what tell which kernel is the hwe and which is the hwe-edge are the meta packages which are not represented there [21:51] Hey folks, are there any plans to bump kpatch to a more recent version for jammy? [22:31] Hey folks. Anyone know why we don't have nvidia-driver-stable and nvidia-driver-testing meta packages in Ubuntu? [22:31] it seems like a no brainer... [22:32] it's so easy to get left behind with nvidia-drivers now-adays. [22:55] chiluk: I've always assumed that was because nvidia abandons old drivers aggressively enough that a lot of folks are on abandoned series [22:56] it's *really* annoying for the folks who are stuck on eg nvidia-340, because that has a bug that prevents it from installing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853977 [22:56] Launchpad bug 1853977 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-340 dpkg: error: version '-' has bad syntax: revision number is empty" [Undecided, Confirmed] [23:09] sarnold that kind of seems like an excuse... [23:09] sarnold are you aware of any wiki's describing the existing "right" way for end users to do nvidia drivers in Ubuntu? [23:10] if it's simply install nvidia-drivers-### that seems error prone. [23:10] we really should instead prefer install nvidia-drivers-stable meta package which depends on nvidia-drivers-###... [23:10] that way people don't get "stuck" as you so astutely put it. [23:11] chiluk: I think "ubuntu-drivers install" is the recommended tool [23:11] the trouble is that nvidia no longer cares about device XYZ after N months [23:11] oh interesting.. I was unfamiliar with that. [23:11] so we've got to have the old drivers available [23:11] it's not months though. [23:11] it's like YEARS.. [23:11] and we can't just apt upgrade people along the way, because the next major version of the driver might drop their device entirely [23:12] that's a really good point... [23:12] that's a good reason to not have the meta package. [23:12] I'm not sure when exactly they drop support, it probably has more to do with the hardware specifics than any hard rule [23:12] I just know that there's a lot of folks who have cards that aren't supported by the latest, and they'd like to keep using those cards on ubuntu [23:13] sarnold: yeah it's usually they are trying to drop code paths that are optimized differently for the newer architectures.