 tsimonq2 isnt the team lead or devel or QA leas
 therefore any decision rests on myself @kc2bez or @wxl23
 at least not right now he isnt.
 pinged users, weigh in?
 about?
 Forwarded from lubuntu_bot: (irc) <GunnarHj> tsimonq2: I'm back about Lubuntu and fcitx. I'd like a decision about it soon to be able to adapt im-config accordingly.
 Forwarded from lubuntu_bot: (irc) <GunnarHj> tsimonq2: My advice would be to drop fcitx from the seed, and leave it to the user to install an IM framework as needed. Other flavors (except for Kylin) do so.
 the unresponded to question from Gunnar yesterdat
 following what everyone else does seems to make sense, but i have no real experience with this, so it's hard to say what is right. just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's ideal. also, i have no idea about context
 GunnarHj: some context here might be helpful can you provide some?
 looks lile the bridge is down
 *reboots it*
[18:22] <teward> oh hm NOW it listens
[18:22] <teward> *shrugs*
 I'm ok with dropping it too but like @wxl23 I don't feel I have enough experience to give a qualified answer. I guess as long as it is still available in the archive someone could add it back later.?
 i think it would be good to get input from people who actually USE it
 I agree. @N0um3n0 is this something you could help us with? (re @wxl23: i think it would be good to get input from people who actually USE it)
[18:51] <GunnarHj> @teward: Thanks for the hint!
[18:51] <GunnarHj> As regards context, I brought up the matter the first time here:
[18:51] <GunnarHj> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/11/23/%23lubuntu-devel.html
[18:51] <GunnarHj> The rationale for not shipping any IM framework by default is explained in the linked discourse thread. We have now changed it for Kubuntu and Xubuntu, so Lubuntu is the only remaining flavor where we need a special im-config configuration to avoid that fcitx is started by default for all users.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> I do respect that the Lubuntu devels don't have so much experience with input methods. OTOH, IMO that speaks for following the main route and not diverge from other flavors.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> I'm ready to clarify my suggestion further. While not an IM user myself, I have been involved in various IM configuration aspects for several years.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> Hoping this makes it to telegram. (I don't have telegram set up on my machine ATM.)
 You made it through GunnarHj We have some other items to drop from our seed and then we have to do the switch for Firefox as well. I am hopeful one of us can do these all at once in the coming days.
[19:03] <GunnarHj> @kc2bez[m]: Ok.. Does that mean that you have already made up your mind, and that the fcitx packages won't be included in the 22.04 Lubuntu ISO?
 I am leaning that way but I would like to hear back from our Global team (I pinged the team lead above).
[19:10] <GunnarHj> kc2bez[m]: I see. In the meantime, let me add that in any case fcitx is old. It has been replaced by fcitx5. fcitx5 is preferred over IBus by Chinese users at first hand, and shipped by default for Chinese installations in Ubuntu 21.10 as well as Debian 11.
 I do seem to remember a certain degree of problems related to fcitx, irregardless of this discussion so not being forced to deal with it as much would sure be nice. On the other hand, I am always concerned about how approachable/usable the default system is to someone who isn't fluent in English.
 One of the considerations to keep in mind is we are NOT using the installer everyone else is, so certain expectations for what should happen don't necessarily apply.
[19:15] <GunnarHj> kc2bez[m]: I'm convinced that my suggestion to drop it would generally make it easier for input method users. If you haven't any IM framework installed to start with and install some input method engine, the related framework (fcitx5 or ibus) will be pulled, and im-config will make it work instantly (after a relogin/reboot at least).
[19:17] <GunnarHj> @wxl23: Are you using language-selector-common to pull relevant language support at installation?
 To be honest, I don't recollect. I haven't been too active since the pandemic, so I'm running off fo memory and memory ain't helping too much in relation to that question :)
[19:26] <GunnarHj> @@wxl23: At least language-selector-common is on the ISO. And assuming that the installer also makes use of it, what I just said about Chinese installs applies to Lubuntu as well.
[19:29] <GunnarHj> @wxl23: But if you drop fcitx from the ISO soon, there will be sufficient time to check out such details.
 @kc2bez have at it? ^
 Ok, I will try to get that done in the next day or two. (re @wxl23: @kc2bez have at it? ^)
 danke
 Thanks to you as well, I appreciate your input. (re @wxl23: danke)
[19:54] <GunnarHj> Thanks all for your attention. If you make that change, I'll do "my" part wrt im-config. Then we can check out various input method scenarios and make sure it works as expected.
 It is not one of the most frequently asked questions .... The groups that would have fcitx support are the most empty. Maybe the manual would be a good reference site, but I doubt if putting it in the distribution is the best idea (re @kc2bez: I agree. @N0um3n0 is this something you could help us with?)
 Thank you for getting back to us! (re @N0um3n0: It is not one of the most frequently asked questions .... The groups that would have fcitx support are the most empty. Maybe the manual would be a good reference site, but I doubt if putting it in the distribution is the best idea)
 Sorry for not answering faster (re @kc2bez: Thank you for getting back to us!)
 No problem, it was plenty fast enough. :) (re @N0um3n0: Sorry for not answering faster)