[00:00] <tusko> How do I get a dark theme like Adwaita-Dark to apply in this OS?
[00:00] <ravage> !eol | tusko
[00:00] <tusko> I can't update it, unfortunately
[00:00] <ravage> this channel does not provide for EOL releases of Ubuntu
[00:00] <ravage> * support
[00:01] <[newton]> seriously, no one here is interested in new ideas?
[00:01] <[newton]> what a joke
[00:01] <sarnold> [newton]: you're probably in the wrong place. this is a support channel.
[00:01] <[newton]> youre not sure whats wrong?
[00:01] <tusko> Its not surprising people wouldn't be able to help
[00:01] <ravage> sarnold: dont waste your energy :)
[00:01] <[newton]> tell me theres a new idea channel
[00:01] <sarnold> [newton]: all I know is nothing you've said so far tells me that you're in the right place
[00:02] <[newton]> ravage: shut your trap
[00:02] <toddc1> sarnold: thanks
[00:03] <sarnold> sure thing; I was hoping being polite would save some effort; oh well
[00:08] <poop-os> anyone know if this is correct for an ecrypted parttiton https://i.imgur.com/m7x7jPe.png
[00:11] <ravage> !popos | poop-os
[01:19] <Aarch64debian> hello, how do you install anbox modules
[01:20] <Aarch64debian> !info anbox
[01:20] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: there's some guides on https://docs.anbox.io/userguide/install.html
[01:20] <Aarch64debian> Starting with Ubuntu 19.04 binder and ashmem are now build with the standard Ubuntu kernel (>= 5.0) and you don’t have to install the modules from the PPA anymore.
[01:21] <sarnold> oh nice
[01:22] <Aarch64debian> ls -l /dev/binder,  no file ...
[01:24] <sarnold> did you sudo modprobe binder and sudo modprobe ashmem first?
[01:24] <sarnold> did you get any error messages from these commands?
[01:25] <sarnold> were there any messages about it in dmesg?
[01:25] <Aarch64debian> yes, theres ashmem, no binder
[01:26] <Aarch64debian> sudo modprobe binder
[01:26] <Aarch64debian> modprobe: FATAL: Module binder not found in directory /lib/modules/5.13.0-19-generic
[01:32] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: intereesting.. I see some of the ubuntu kernels have values set for this config https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ANDROID_BINDER_DEVICES.html
[01:32] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: but some configs *don't* have a value for it
[01:33] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: maybe try setting the binder.devices parameter to "binder"?
[01:35] <Aarch64debian> what should i do
[01:37] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: I don't have a machine with a binder module around, so this is a guess... try echo binder | sudo tee -a /sys/module/binder/parameters/devices
[01:59] <Aarch64debian> i got permission denied with tee binder
[02:04] <sarnold> sudo tee
[02:11] <spammy> sudo tee -a
[02:15] <pycurious> how do i say : if ubuntu_version == 20.04:  apt install -y g++-10?
[02:21] <Aarch64debian> you can apt install gcc=x.xx
[02:21] <Aarch64debian> use specific numbers
[02:24] <Aarch64debian> i have dev/binder now, but when i use anbox, it says starting then closed after some time
[02:24] <sarnold> that lets you select among multiple versions of the gcc package, but there's only one version of it available on focal
[02:24] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: okay, that's promosing
[02:24] <sarnold> promising?
[02:25] <sarnold> 7010:CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDER_DEVICES="binder,hwbinder,vndbinder"
[02:25] <Aarch64debian> is that a command
[02:26] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: the kernel configs that a setting for this variable have *three* values.. I wonder if those other two are also necessary -- try echo binder,hwbinder,vndbinder | sudo tee -a /sys/module/binder/parameters/devices    .. and see if that makes a /dev/hwbinder and /dev/vndbinder
[02:30] <Aarch64debian> Failed to connect to socket /run/anbox-container.socket: No such file or directory
[02:33] <sarnold> hm.. did you install the anbox snap with --devmode?
[02:39] <Aarch64debian> i did apt install anbox
[02:41] <sarnold> hmm, if you're on focal, that hasn't been updated in over two years https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anbox
[02:41] <sarnold> it might be best to stick to the snap
[02:46] <leftyfb> pycurious: https://ahelpme.com/linux/ubuntu/install-and-make-gnu-gcc-10-default-in-ubuntu-20-04-focal/ found on google by searching for "ubuntu 20.04 gcc-10"
[02:47] <pycurious> leftyfb: thank worked for me, thanks!
[05:18] <webchat66> Hello, I'm having trouble setting up a samba share.
[05:24] <jeffmr> webchat66, does this help,  https://adrianmejia.com/how-to-set-up-samba-in-ubuntu-linux-and-access-it-in-mac-os-and-windows/
[05:25] <jeffmr> you can use nano if you are not familiar with vi.
[05:25] <webchat66> I think I figured it out, I was using my partition and not the mounted directory in my home directory
[05:26] <jeffmr> *thumbs up*
[05:26] <webchat66> I've been struggling with it the past week and 5 minutes after I posted here I figured it out
[05:26] <jeffmr> Sometimes helpful to air it out.
[05:26] <webchat66> Thanks for helping!  I usually don't get a very prompt response in IRC...
[05:27] <jeffmr> anytime
[05:30] <webchat66> I had it working the first time I installed Elementary OS and installed Kodi.  Then I had to do a fresh install to upgrade to Elementary OS 6
[05:30] <webchat66> It'll never be the 'year of linux' if you need to do a full reinstall to upgrade :D
[05:30] <jeffmr> Yeah, unfortunately there's not always a safe and clear way to update when distributions update.
[05:31] <webchat66> Other than me forgetting how to setup my samba shares everything went pretty well though
[05:31] <jeffmr> cool
[05:39] <webchat333> Hey I'm trying to get sound to output on hdmi on 20.04 ubuntu server on a late 2012 mac mini. I've checked the forums and google but nothing works
[05:46] <matsaman> webchat333: check everything that's
[05:46] <matsaman> webchat333: muted in 'alsamixer'?
[05:48] <slowgrav> ﹾﹾﹾ﮲﮲﮲﮲﮲﮲﮴﮴﮵﮵﮶﮶ﮨﮦﮥ﮸﮸﮹﮿︡︡︡︡︡︡︡︡︡︡︢︢︣︣ﹰ︠︠︠︠︠︠︠︠︠︠︠︠
[05:57] <webchat333> matsaman: https://pastebin.com/xQ316eHV
[05:58] <matsaman> kinda jumbled
[05:58] <webchat333> matsaman only auto-mute is disabled
[05:58] <matsaman> use left/right arrow keys, & tab key, look around for things that are muted, try unmuting them
[05:58] <matsaman> ok
[06:06] <webchat333> matsaman: ok I have found the device to play through hdmi is device hw:0,8. Can I set that to the default audio playback device ?
[06:07] <matsaman> ~/.asoundrc would probably be one way
[06:07] <matsaman> if you're using pulseaudio, and you probably are
[06:07] <matsaman> you can maybe do it from the pulseaudio GUI configurator
[06:07] <matsaman> which is called...
[06:07] <matsaman> pavucontrol?
[06:10] <webchat333> I don't have a DE I'm still trying to set the devices for the airplay mirroring
[06:10] <webchat333> ~/.asoundrc is empty
[06:11] <matsaman> oh right, airplay
[06:13] <matsaman> hang on, the syntax is fsckin' bananas
[06:14] <matsaman> I think I have a file that does it semi-handy though
[06:17] <webchat333> ok it looks like pactl list detects it
[06:17] <webchat333>                 hdmi-output-2: HDMI / DisplayPort 3 (priority: 5700, latency offset: 0 usec, available)
[06:17] <webchat333>                         Properties:
[06:17] <webchat333>                                 device.icon_name = "video-display"
[06:17] <webchat333>                                 device.product.name = "SAMSUNG"
[06:18] <matsaman> webchat333: maybe this: https://dpaste.com/E5MKGQ573.txt
[06:18] <matsaman> webchat333: what's 'aplay -l' say?
[06:19] <webchat333> https://dpaste.com/GCZ58HJQZ
[06:20] <matsaman> yeah try what I gave you
[06:20] <webchat333> The last entry card 0 device 8 is what I am trying to set as the default
[06:20] <webchat333> so create ~/.asoundrc and put that in there ?
[06:21] <matsaman> yeah
[06:42] <webchat333> matsaman thanks that worked I get sound through the tv but no video. I only see the tty1 screen... is there a similar thing i can set for video ?
[06:42] <matsaman> what're you playing video with, what software?
[06:42] <webchat333> uxplay
[06:43] <webchat333> https://github.com/FDH2/UxPlay
[06:43] <webchat333> it uses gstreamer if that helps
[06:46] <matsaman> what's the graphics device?
[06:46] <matsaman> nvidia?
[06:46] <webchat333> integrated intel
[06:47] <matsaman> so you say play the video on some other device, like an iPhoo, and it's meant to play the video also on the TV?
[06:47] <webchat333> correct
[06:48] <webchat333> I get sound to the tv currently
[06:48] <webchat333> and the ubuntu console
[06:49] <matsaman> webchat333: what if you instal gstreamer1.0-libav
[06:50] <webchat333> for some reason ubuntu shows 3 hdmi port but I only have one
[06:51] <webchat333> gstreamer1.0-libav is installed i think i installed all of the gstreamer1.0- packages
[06:52] <matsaman> webchat333: all these? https://dpaste.com/44FZP92NZ.txt
[06:53] <webchat333> yea found in github issues
[06:53] <matsaman> something there also about GST_DEBUG=3
[07:01] <webchat333> I found something about vaapisink needing x11. Does it start automatically on ubuntu server?
[07:03] <matsaman> really X11 should not be on a server, so it might not even be installed yet
[07:04] <matsaman> since this is a home/media server it's not a big deal
[07:08] <webchat333> ok it looks like i have xserver on the machine but its not running and there is no $DISPLAY
[07:11] <matsaman> webchat333: you'll probably want to install a DM, like lightdm
[07:11] <matsaman> and configure it to automatically log a user in (thereby skipping the login process)
[07:12] <matsaman> you might have to dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, or set up some different target or config for systemd to have it auto-start
[07:12] <matsaman> but try simply installing it alone first
[07:12] <webchat333> ok
[07:13] <matsaman> basically if you do end up needing X & a DM
[07:13] <matsaman> you may as well be using Ubuntu Desktop
[07:13] <matsaman> but
[07:13] <webchat333> yea... unfortunate
[07:13] <matsaman> since you're not sure you need it yet, it could be worth it to just keep setting it up for Server
[07:14] <matsaman> webchat333: so, yeah actually sorry
[07:14] <matsaman> you don't need to make sure it all auto-starts correctly just to see if it works
[07:14] <matsaman> just install lightdm and start it
[07:14] <matsaman> or you can try 'startx' if it's there
[07:15] <matsaman> I've no idea what just X installed comes with on Ubuntu
[07:16] <KBar> If you want to know, you can look at the .manifest file of the image.
[07:16] <KBar> *know that
[07:17] <matsaman> it either comes with startx or it doesn't
[07:17] <matsaman> if it doesn't I'd use apt-file to find it
[07:17] <matsaman> or just install lightdm & use that
[07:26] <webchat333> I have X11 but the config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty
[07:26] <webchat333> oh no
[07:27] <ducasse> webchat333: the config is generated each time x starts
[07:32] <webchat333> ok  so adding startx to systemd autologin  is a good idea or bad idea ?/
[07:33] <ducasse> you can set lightdm up to autologin, that is the proper way to do it
[07:35] <webchat333> can I do it without a dm ? its only for airplay mirroring
[07:47] <ducasse> i would do it the recommended way, i've had issues with startx on ubuntu
[11:03] <brandoneliza> how do I configure cups to keep more than the most recent 5 print jobs?
[11:03] <brandoneliza> I want to keep say 5 days work of print jobs before it forgets them and just keeps the logs
[11:03] <brandoneliza> worth
[11:09] <philip0> Hello, it's my first install of ubuntu, and I selected to use Secure Boot and gave a password to enroll keys. On boot I was presented with a MOK management interface and it was not clear what to do. System now boots without third party firmware active (eg NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it could not communicate with the NVIDIA driver. How do I re-do
[11:09] <philip0> the key signing step and do it successfully? Docs seem to be not detailed on this.
[11:12] <philip0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot says, "Once the installation is complete and the system is restarted, at first boot the user is presented with the MokManager program (part of the installed shim loader), as a set of text-mode panels that all the user to enroll the generated MOK. The user selects "Enroll MOK", is shown a fingerprint of the
[11:12] <philip0> certificate to enroll, and is prompted to confirm the enrollment. Once confirmed, the new MOK will be entered in firmware and the user will be asked to reboot the system. "
[11:13] <philip0> But I did not see a fingerprint. I had a choice of continue, reset MOK, enroll key and enroll hash. The last two choices gave me a text based directory browser and I had no idea where to go.
[11:15] <philip0> What should I have done and how do I restart the process?
[11:16] <philip0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MokManager    :  "This page does not exist yet."
[11:24] <philip0> any suggestions of where to go for help with Secure Boot / MOK Management ?
[11:28] <Jeremy31> I usually disable Secure Boot instead of dealing with MOK
[11:29] <brandoneliza> philip0, just hang around. I do what Jeremy31 does because I useually can;t access my system after a reboot and then freak out
[11:30] <brandoneliza> I remember nvidia proprietary drivers just finishing startup because of secure bookt so I have windows with it and linux on NON uefi BOOT
[11:31] <brandoneliza> here if something goes wrong you need to have a live boot or something at hand
[11:31] <brandoneliza> which is a bit more trouble to remake from another system
[11:33] <brandoneliza> secure boot is good but I find it hard to manage things when something goes wrong.
[11:38] <brandoneliza> Everything should have been ok but some key was not installed in the BIOS or soething so the driver failed driver signing.
[11:42] <philip0> Has anyone done it successfully? Which option do you choose ? Enroll key or enroll hash?
[11:43] <philip0> did you have to choose a partition? Which one do you choose? Did you have to navigate the filesystem? Where do you go to?
[12:01] <tomreyn> philip0: you should just need to enroll the key from mok manager
[12:01] <philip0> ok. how do I do that?
[12:01] <tomreyn> i don't usually point to youtube videos, but maybe it's the easiest here https://youtu.be/n8VwTYU0Mec?t=435
[12:02] <philip0> and do you know if the to-be-signed key and info is in the EFI System Partition or elsewhere?\
[12:02] <tomreyn> on the esp, i think
[12:03] <tomreyn> if things go well, i don't think you should get to see the mok manager at all actually
[12:04] <tomreyn> that's if secure boot is already enabled in enrollment mode, and you install ubuntu then, using the nvidia driver which it provides.
[12:04] <tomreyn> (and your uefi is properly done)
[12:06] <philip0> oh secure boot has an enrollment mode? I need to look at my BIOS more closely
[12:07] <tomreyn> enrollment mode is when no password is set, yet, and the ubuntu installer prompts you for it
[12:07] <Jeremy31> philip0: your UEFI/BIOS might have an option to enroll MOK
[12:37] <philip0> Jeremy31, do you mean that is an alternative route or a necessary precondition?
[12:40] <Jeremy31> philip0: some BIOS might not allow just any OS to add a MOK
[12:41] <philip0> My BIOS has several settings: 1. Enable Secure Boot: ON.
[12:41] <philip0> 2 Secure Boot Mode: Deployed Mode (Default)  or Audit Mode [Perform signature check but does not block execution of all UEFI drivers and bootloaders. Use this mode when making modifications to Secure Boot keys.
[12:41] <philip0> 3. Expert Key Management Enable Custom Mode (Default:OFF) Allows the PK, KEK, db, and dbx security key databases to be manipulated.
[12:42] <philip0> It is not clear whether I need Audit mode, custom mode, neither, or both. Ideas?
[12:44] <philip0> if it helps, this is Dell BIOS
[12:48] <tomreyn> the first thing i'd do when i wanted to use secureboot is to upgrade bios to make sure (as much as you can) that it's not a buggy secureboot implementation
[12:58] <Guest4> Good afternoon
[12:59] <tomreyn> hi Guest4
[12:59] <Guest4> I am getting "timezone database is corrupt" through PHP-FPM, I found it has something to do with the rights to /etc/locale. Anyone an idea how to solve this?
[12:59] <philip0> good idea tomreyn
[13:00] <philip0> Jeremy31, it turns out that with "Audit Mode" the MOK process proceeds as shown in the video, which it did not in "deployed mode".
[13:06] <Jeremy31> philip0: good
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:07] <philip0> oddly, nvidia-smi does not seem to exist on this second install. How do I query apt to find which package provides it? apt search nvidia-smi returns: gpustat hobbit-plugins libnvidia-ml-dev, which don't seem relevant
[13:09] <tomreyn> you'd need to install apt-file to search for files in packages oyu don't have installed. or use https://packages.ubuntu.com (scroll down for the file in package search)
[13:14] <philip0> great.
[13:16] <philip0> Hmm the OS said there was ~200MB of updates, and I needed to reboot to complete the update. I now see a splash screen (Dell) with ubuntu on the bottom, and it does not seem to be doing anything. Is the machine hung?
[13:17] <philip0> I think I need to hard power down. :(
[13:19] <tomreyn> !sysrq | philip0
[13:19] <tomreyn> but it may be too early for that
[13:22] <philip0> with the updates, I am getting lots of nouveau crashes in dmesg.
[13:23] <philip0> Should there be NVIDIA drivers installed? I requested third-party hardware in install.
[13:23] <tomreyn> if nvidia drivers did not load due to being non secure boot signed, the system would probably attempt to fall back to nouveau
[13:24] <tomreyn> or not signed with a key installed in the bios, more precisely
[13:24] <philip0> In my second install attempt I believe the keys were signed.
[13:25] <philip0> The MOK enrollment happened on boot after install.
[13:25] <Jeremy31> philip0: check in terminal>  lsmod | grep -i nvidia
[13:26] <philip0> null
[13:27] <philip0> nvidia-detector says nvidia-driver-495
[13:27] <philip0> Jeremy31, no nvidia in lsmod
[13:28] <philip0> Can I undo the update?
[13:28] <ravage> you should not undo any system updates
[13:29] <ravage> does "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -iname nvidia.ko" show anything?
[13:29] <philip0> nothing.
[13:30] <ravage> then the module was not even compiled
[13:30] <ravage> try "ubuntu-drivers install" again
[13:30] <ravage> with sudo
[13:31] <philip0> ravage, thank you, much activity results
[13:35] <ravage> activity is a good sign i guess
[13:35] <ravage> reboot after that and see if the module is loadef
[13:35] <ravage> *loaded
[13:41] <philip0> ok, shutting down shows lots of nouveau idle timeouts
[13:41] <philip0> time: stalled at ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[13:41] <philip0> ok rebooting
[13:47] <philip0> hello I am not seeing my messages post
[13:48] <philip0> lib/modules/5.13.0.25-generic/kernel/nvidia-470/nvidia.ko
[13:48] <philip0> maybe initial / is trouble for IRC
[13:48] <Jeremy31> philip0: is nvidia shown in lsmod?
[13:48] <philip0> how else can I test
[13:49] <philip0> in lsmod 6 lines
[13:49] <Jeremy31> philip0: check in terminal>  modinfo nvidia | grep -i signature
[13:51] <philip0> philip00 is my alter ego on the new install
[13:51] <philip00> # find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -iname nvidia.ko
[13:51] <philip00> # lsmod | grep -i nvidia
[13:51] <philip00> nvidia_uvm           1052672  0
[13:51] <philip00> nvidia_drm             61440  2
[13:51] <philip00> nvidia_modeset       1200128  3 nvidia_drm
[13:51] <philip00> nvidia              35311616  90 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset
[13:51] <tomreyn> !paste | philip00
[13:52] <tomreyn> you can also use https://paste.debian.net/ or termbin.com
[13:53] <philip0> It appears I cannot send anything from the other anymore "Cannot send to nick/channel"
[13:54] <philip0> I have inadvertently offended the drones. It's my special gift.
[13:55] <philip00> Most humble apologies, o drone.
[13:55] <ravage> the module is loaded. so everything should be fine?
[13:55] <Jeremy31> now just try the nvidia-smi
[13:57] <philip00> modinfo nvidia | grep -i signature  gives a long hex signature
[13:57] <philip00> nvidia-smi  gives prettyprint output
[13:58] <ravage> as long as it dertects your card that ok
[13:58] <Jeremy31> philip0: Looks like everything is set
[14:00] <philip0> that's great! Thank you, this is the first distribution (out of FOUR) to boot and get video card, wifi, and bluetooth working.
[14:01] <ravage> happy to see that Ubuntu works for you :)
[14:01] <coz_> philip0, out of curiosity, which were the other 3?
[14:03] <philip0> 1. Fedora 35 Scientific worked the best on the live USB. First update was almost 1G and resulted in a borked system with both GUI and virtual terminals inaccessible.
[14:04] <coz_> interesting
[14:06] <philip0> 2. Debian worked well on the live USB, except the high resolution monitor was not supported, which did not interfere with the installation. The installation resulted in a system where the bluetooth was being started and stopped about twice a second. So workable but with a daemon keeping the system warmer than necessary.
[14:07] <philip0> 2a. The problem was the AX210 wifi and bluetooth card. So neither wifi nor bluetooth were available. Conflicting reports online regarding support in 5.11, 5.13, 5.15 and possible regressions in 5.15.
[14:08] <coz_> philip0, atleast you tried several distributions. Stick with what works unless you prefer the package manager of another distro, or their approach to updates, etc, the of course you can report and or help solve thos issues %)
[14:08] <coz_> the = then
[14:09] <_srp> hello #ubuntu gurus
[14:09] <philip0> 3. Clearlinux worked great on the USB also. But its installer failed over and over again and I could not entice it to work. The error log was long ~60Kb and not illuminating.
[14:09] <_srp> I have noticed my Ubuntu 20.04 (updated from 18.04) is getting slower by the day
[14:09] <coz_> philip0, now you have a working system %)
[14:10] <_srp> I have memory- and hd-tested the machine, and noticed no hardware problems
[14:10] <philip0> Yes, thank you all for all your help!
[14:10] <_srp> bleachbit also did not do a great job on speeding up the machine
[14:10] <philip0> _srp what does 'free -m' say?
[14:11] <tomreyn> _srp: there's no reason other than hardware issues that should could this, at least that's all i can think of.
[14:11] <tomreyn> should *cause*
[14:12] <_srp> philip0, mem total 3801 / used 1892 / free 113 / shared 296 / buff/cache 1795 / available 1331
[14:12] <_srp> should be MB, right?
[14:12] <philip0> MB from -m
[14:12] <_srp> cool
[14:12] <_srp> the system was installed back in 2015, IIRC
[14:12] <philip0> Your system is probably memory constrained.
[14:13] <philip0> Do you use firefox or other heavy software
[14:13] <_srp> I suspect over the years installations and deinstallations left some dirt behind, could that be?
[14:13] <_srp> philip0, yes, my typical setup is firefox, chromium (multiple tabs), libreoffice calc and spyder3 open at once
[14:14] <coz_> _srp, I have seen, in the past, upgrading can cause some "constipation" not sure with your system
[14:14] <philip0> recent firefox eats RAM like never before.
[14:14] <_srp> but it is taking minutes to boot up the machine and get to the desktop even before I load all these
[14:14] <tomreyn> _srp: those applications together could easily fill your remaining available memory
[14:15] <philip0> _srp: desktop or laptop?
[14:15] <_srp> right now, I have firefox, hexchat, snap store, a terminal and a file manager open
[14:15] <philip0> Can you add more RAM?
[14:15] <tomreyn> so maybe you should do a fresh install. but also get more ram, if you can
[14:15] <coz_> agreed
[14:15] <_srp> philip0, yes, I will. I have already ordered, waiting for delivery
[14:16] <philip0> firefox eats RAM and doesn't give much back until you quit it.
[14:16] <_srp> I have noticed my /home/user folder is filled with .config directories... some for software I don't even use anymore
[14:16] <coz_> brave seems to use far less, at least here
[14:16] <_srp> could I simply delete them?
[14:17] <tomreyn> _srp: if you know you no longer need them, you can delete them safely, yes
[14:17] <philip0> _srp  Back up first somewhere safe, then experiment
[14:17] <coz_> tomreyn, types faster than I %)
[14:18] <tomreyn> just sometimes, coz ;)
[14:18] <_srp> well, if I reinstall them, they should generate the default profile as if I had first installed
[14:18] <philip0> Thank you everyone for your help with the third-party drivers!
[14:18] <coz_> tomreyn, Laptop, big hands here, typically 2 finger typing
[14:18] <_srp> tomreyn, for a fresh install, download the ISO from the site and follow the script, right?
[14:18] <tomreyn> _srp: yes
[14:19] <_srp> ok, could try that too, if unavoidable
[14:19] <ravage> _srp: consider a backup of your data before you do that :)
[14:19] <tomreyn> _srp: make sure you install in uefi boot mode if your laptop support it
[14:19] <_srp> thank you all for the insights
[14:19] <coz_> _srp, wait for your ram to arrive if you can
[14:19] <_srp> ravage, I am a digital hoarder! I never simply delete anything ;-)
[14:19] <tomreyn> should not matter about the ram
[14:20] <ravage> the ram will be used when added. no need to wait
[14:20] <ravage> and you see if the reinstall alone made any difference
[14:20] <coz_> this is true
[14:20] <tomreyn> 4 GB is enough to install, and adding the ram later wont do any harm or result in a different configuration
[14:21] <coz_> the ram was my personal prefernce
[14:21] <ravage> 4 GB is ok but far from ideal. for any desktop use with multiple browsers 8GB is really a good investment
[14:21] <tomreyn> _srp: you can also try just creatign a new user account and then copy over only those settings you still need. but this won't speed up the slow boot, or fix any system wide problems.
[14:21] <ravage> i think a system from 2015 deserves a reinstall really :)
[14:22] <tomreyn> yes, even when you know how to clean things up properly
[14:22] <ravage> im still unsure about what to do with 22.04. upgrade or reinstall :)
[14:23] <ravage> and the system is maybe 2 years old now. i still feel better on a fresh installation somehow
[14:25] <coz_> ravage, this is my prefernce, a clean install eliminates doubts
[14:25] <tomreyn> with some releases, there are some hard facts which make it worthwhile to do a fresh install, such as newer file systems on /, increased /boot file system size (if separate), newer LUKS encryption, ZFS etc.
[14:25] <_srp> er... I have / and /home mounted on different partitions. So a reinstall in my / partition shouldn't touch the .config files, right?
[14:25] <ravage> it should not if you make the right choices during setup. but keeping /home keeps all the bloat :)
[14:25] <tomreyn> _srp: as long as you can ensure that /home remains untouched, yes. but ... have backups.
[14:26] <ravage> maybe rename your user directory and start with a fresh user
[14:26] <ravage> and copy over what you need
[14:26] <oerheks> I would do both; upgrade and fresh install
[14:26] <ravage> as tomreyn said: make backups in any scenario :)
[14:35] <lucio_> t
[14:44] <_srp> 4.3GB of config files in /home
[14:45] <_srp> still, that shouldn't be cause of slow loading... aren't these files accessed only when the corresponding software is launched?
[14:45] <_srp> even the menu... I click on the ubuntu icon, it shows the spinning wheel for several seconds until the list of programs come up
[14:50] <LuckyMan> What's the correct channel to talk about 22.04?
[14:51] <oerheks> #ubuntu-next
[14:51] <LuckyMan> thanks
[14:52] <tomreyn> _srp: if you prefer to disregard the recommendation given here (to reinstall), and would instead wantto go through the possibly very long process of trying to understand how you can improve the situation on the current system, you should start with sharing the output of the "dmesg" command, or better "journalctl -b" soon after a reboot
[14:56] <_srp> tomreyn, not disregarding the recommendation, just backing up before the big jump (and while the ISO downloads)
[15:01] <tomreyn> _srp: i'm wondering what you mean by "i'm clicking on the ubuntu icon", because i don't think there is an ubuntu icon on the 20.04 default desktop.
[15:02] <tomreyn> A default 20.04 LTS desktop would look something like this https://i.imgur.com/dSt1NrK.png
[15:05] <Maik> _srp: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:06] <_srp> Maik, this is Ubuntu Studio on Xfce
[15:07] <Maik> you should have mentioned that
[15:08] <_srp> lsb_release
[15:08] <_srp> LSB Version:	core-11.1.0ubuntu2-noarch:printing-11.1.0ubuntu2-noarch:security-11.1.0ubuntu2-noarch
[15:08] <_srp> sorry about not mentioning the Studio flavor
[15:09] <Maik> tomreyn: ^
[15:09] <oerheks> upgrading ubuntu studio is not advised, due to changes to KDE
[15:10] <oerheks> https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-21-10-release-notes/
[15:11] <Maik> they upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 if i'm not mistaken
[15:13] <_srp> tomreyn, this is what my desktop looks like: https://imgur.com/a/CNYgBMP
[15:14] <_srp> Maik, I have downloaded ubuntustudio-20.04.3-dvd-amd64.iso
[15:15] <_srp> should be back in a few hours if I don't get the system completely messed up
[15:15] <_srp> to let you know how the reinstall went
[15:15] <Maik> never heard of ubuntu slowing down over time, at least i never experienced that
[15:16] <_srp> I'm thinking I will temporarily rename my current user folder, create a new user and move the data I currently use
[15:16] <_srp> Maik, how about slowing down after dist-upgrades?
[15:17] <Maik> dist-upgrade isn't upgrading to new versions of a system afaik
[15:17] <oerheks> unlikely
[15:17] <_srp> last time was 18.04 to 20.04
[15:17] <Maik> dist-upgrade doesn't slow down a system either
[15:18] <_srp> malware, then?
[15:18] <Maik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade
[15:18] <Maik> malware? lol
[15:18] <bebop> lol
[15:18] <bebop> probably a borked system caused by the user
[15:19] <Maik> could be possible
[15:19] <tomreyn> also note that "Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS will be the final release of Ubuntu Studio using the Xfce Desktop Environment. As such, upgrades from Ubuntu Studio 20.04 to later releases may result in breakage."
[15:19] <tomreyn> there's also #ubuntustudio
[15:19] <_srp> bebop, hopefully I unwittingly caused the slowdown
[15:19] <_srp> tomreyn, this means another reinstall sometime in the future, right?
[15:20] <tomreyn> probably, unless you install 21.10 now.
[15:20] <_srp> any words on the Plasma environment?
[15:20] <_srp> could try that, too
[15:20] <_srp> download 21.10
[15:20] <_srp> install
[15:20] <Maik> _srp: i upgraded my system from 20.04 to 20.10 to 21.04 and then 21.10, it never slowed down
[15:20] <tomreyn> there is so-called "punctuation", it helps making more than one statement on a line line.
[15:20] <tomreyn> *single line
[15:21] <Maik> _srp: keep in mind that 21.10 is not a LTS release and it's support will end in July
[15:56] <transhumanist> whats the trick for finding old kernels ... the location old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ doesnt group individual files that go with one kernel together, they are spread all over the place. I am looking for all the files associated with kernel 5.6.8-x , thanks in advance
[15:56] <transhumanist> they have like 100,000 files in one directory
[15:58] <leftyfb> transhumanist: why do you need an old kernel?
[15:58] <transhumanist> becuase it seems 5.6.8 is the one that has ipusb that works\
[15:59] <leftyfb> transhumanist: mind you, anything in old-releases is EOL and not supported
[15:59] <transhumanist> ok a different question how do i find out which kernel version has a particular working module
[16:00] <leftyfb> transhumanist: "working". Is there a bug report that shows ipusb doesn't work on any modern or supported kernels or are you just going by your own personal experience?
[16:01] <leftyfb> transhumanist: if you find something that doesn't work, the answer should never be to revert to EOL software
[16:01] <transhumanist> this is the error https://superuser.com/questions/1597526/usb-ip-on-win10-1903-failed-to-open-usb-id-database even with the file in place on both windows and linux, also a second error
[16:02] <leftyfb> transhumanist: have you tried using ipusb between 2 linux machines?
[16:02] <transhumanist> no just between windows machines
[16:03] <transhumanist> it also gives on linux side usbip error portocol spec without prior class and subclass at line 23291
[16:03] <transhumanist> that second error is on the linux side
[16:04] <leftyfb> transhumanist: I would test this between linux and linux. The error you posted is a problem with Windows, not linux
[16:04] <transhumanist> I can do that with wsl - ubuntu on windows connecting to my laptop and come back later, thanks for the tip
[16:04] <tomreyn> spcifically supported versions of ubuntu while you're looking for support on this channel
[16:05] <leftyfb> transhumanist: I wouldn't suggest WSL. That is a very non-standard linux implementation, kernel and network stack. All of which would verymuch add to the complexity of using ipusb
[16:06] <transhumanist> ok , that means I have to find a second machine for testing, guess a vm will do
[16:06] <transhumanist> I iwill use my debian vm
[16:07] <leftyfb> transhumanist: also, it can find very little information about "ipusb" nor can I find any package names or descriptiosns or files in any ubuntu package mentioning "ipusb". I don't think this is something that is supported in ubuntu
[16:10] <tomreyn> the superuser.com post suggests they're referring to https://www.kernel.org/doc/readme/tools-usb-usbip-README - but i don't see the Ubuntu relation, yet.
[16:12] <transhumanist> it is indeed a package on ubuntu
[16:12] <transhumanist> err wait maybe I installed that from a deb... nm
[16:12] <leftyfb> transhumanist: it's not
[16:12] <transhumanist> no sorry for the mistake
[16:24] <transhumanist> leftyfb thanks for the pointer it does indeed seem to work between ubuntu and debian ---just letting you know, it is indeed a windows issue, thanks I apprecate the help
[16:35] <Guest92> I am currently using Ubuntu 20.04 and I am having a problem with connecting with some wifis but other wifis it will not allow me. It just keeps connecting and disconnecting. This is my 'lcpci -knn' output
[16:35] <Guest92> https://pastebin.com/m8y1vyWk
[16:36] <Guest92> lspci*
[16:37] <tomreyn> Guest92: is this Ubuntu 20.04 installation fully up to date?
[16:38] <Guest92> tomreyn: Double checking right now
[16:38] <Guest92> tomreyn: Yes everything is up to date
[16:39] <tomreyn> is the bios up to date?
[16:39] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[16:40] <Guest92> https://pastebin.com/mKHcbriB
[16:40] <tomreyn> (you can already now try booting with:    iwlwifi.11n_disable=2 )
[16:40] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[16:41] <Guest92> tomreyn: Thats a bit out of my league on this. How do i do this?
[16:41] <Guest92> Ah ok
[16:41] <pasiz> Guest92: could you disable N
[16:42] <Guest92> pasiz: If i disable network then I will have no internet access and will disconnect from IRC
[16:42] <Guest92> I can do it temporarily though
[16:42] <Jeremy31> Guest92: What URL for> iwconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:43] <Guest92> https://termbin.com/hwpn
[16:43] <pasiz> Guest92: do you have 2.4 and 5 on same ssid
[16:43] <Jeremy31> Guest92: do> sudo iwconfig wlo1 power off
[16:43] <Guest92> pasiz: not sure
[16:44] <Guest92> Jeremy31: done
[16:44] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Any chance the wifi that cause problems are using TKIP encryption?
[16:44] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Its a possibility.
[16:45] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Honestly not sure. Guest wifi
[16:45] <pasiz> Guest92: so no security?
[16:45] <Jeremy31> Guest92: power management could cause connection issues
[16:45] <Guest92> pasiz: It has a password
[16:46] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Let me check and see. Pretty sure everything is set right for power
[16:46] <Jeremy31> pasiz: TKIP isn't that good, CCMP(AES) is better
[16:46] <tomreyn> bios version is already the latest as per https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-elitebook-8460p-notebook-pc/5056942/swItemId/ob-206569-2
[16:46] <pasiz> Guest92: so maybe WPA?
[16:46] <Jeremy31> WPA2
[16:46] <pasiz> intel chipsets, linux and 802.11N is known to be buggy on that age hardware
[16:47] <Jeremy31> I think 11n_disable=8 might work better
[16:47] <pasiz> that's good advice
[16:48] <pasiz> gives starting point to see if the connection doesn't drop after that
[16:48] <Guest92> Sorry I was disconnected
[16:48] <pasiz> Guest92: could you try: 18:47 <Jeremy31> I think 11n_disable=8 might work better
[16:49] <Guest92> Ok brb let me try
[16:50] <Jeremy31> Guest92: in terminal>  sudo modprobe iwlwifi && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=8
[16:50] <Jeremy31> That will disconnect you for a little while
[16:50] <Jeremy31> Guest92: in terminal>  sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=8
[16:50] <Jeremy31> forgot the -r to remove
[16:51] <Guest92> ok
[16:51] <Guest92> reboot now?
[16:51] <Jeremy31> Just test it for a while
[16:51] <Jeremy31> That is just temporary, a reboot will put it back to original setting
[16:53] <Jeremy31> Guest92: If you are in range of the problem wifi AP, run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post URL after the second is done
[16:54] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Still same issue
[16:54] <Jeremy31> Guest92: If you are in range of the problem wifi AP, run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post URL after the second is done
[16:55] <Guest92> Jeremy31: https://termbin.com/q67w
[16:58] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Just curious why would 2 of my mobile wifi's pop up on the network at the bottom?
[16:58] <Guest92> Kind of weird..
[16:59] <Jeremy31> Guest92: post URL from this, results were cut off> ./wireless-info && cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:59] <Jeremy31> Guest92: I seen that you have a 2.4 and 5Ghz with the same SSID
[16:59] <Guest92> https://termbin.com/kdj9
[17:01] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Either way the one im trying to connect to is NETGEAR-22-Guest
[17:03] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Ok, the signal strength on that is a little low, lets see if we can boost the power on your chip>  sudo iwconfig wlo1 txpower 20
[17:03] <Guest92> jeremy31: done
[17:04] <Jeremy31> Guest92: The encryption is not the problem with that one and I see wifi power management got enbled
[17:05] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Yeah im at a loss on why
[17:06] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Network Manager does it, run>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[17:06] <Guest92> Jeremy31: done
[17:08] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Post URL for>  grep [[:alnum:]] /sys/module/iwlwifi/parameters/* | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:08] <Guest92> Jeremy31: https://termbin.com/se1c
[17:10] <Jeremy31> Guest92: one last one>  grep [[:alnum:]] /etc/modprobe.d/* | grep iwlwifi | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:10] <Guest92> https://termbin.com/e92h
[17:10] <Guest92> Jeremy31
[17:11] <Jeremy31> Guest92: in terminal> echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8 | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[17:12] <Guest92> done
[17:12] <Jeremy31> Guest92: then reboot, that command will just result in options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8 on the next line
[17:12] <Guest92> just brings up a terminal line
[17:12] <Guest92> forget what u call it
[17:12] <Guest92> a ">"
[17:12] <Jeremy31> Guest92: press ctrl+c with the terminal up
[17:12] <Jeremy31> should go back to prompt
[17:13] <Guest92> yeah
[17:13] <Guest92> try the command again?
[17:13] <Jeremy31> Guest92: in terminal> echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[17:13] <Jeremy31> I forgot the closing quotation
[17:13] <Guest92> robe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[17:13] <Guest92> options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8
[17:13] <Jeremy31> Guest92: do a reboot
[17:14] <Guest92> ok brb
[17:14] <Guest92> thank you again jeremy31
[17:18] <jhutchins> A ">" prompt indicates a failure to close a quote.
[17:18] <saqr> hey
[17:19] <saqr> well, looks like nobody here
[17:19] <saqr> chao
[17:19] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Still same issue
[17:19] <Guest92> Jeremy31: It keeps popping up asking for password again.
[17:19] <Guest92> Jeremy31: I tried on my cell phone to double check the password and its still the same password
[17:20] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Try deleting the entry in Network Manager and then add it back
[17:20] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Acts like its connecting for about 20 seconds then back to asking for password
[17:20] <jhutchins> Guest92: You might take a look at dmesg, see what it thinks is happening.
[17:21] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Which part do i delete?
[17:21] <Jeremy31> Guest92: in terminal> tail -f /var/log/syslog    #try to connect to guest
[17:21] <Guest92> Jeremy31: While im trying to connect to guest type that command in ?
[17:21] <Jeremy31> Guest92: it should be in Network Connections, I forget exactly where that is
[17:22] <Jeremy31> Guest92: run command first, then attempt to connect
[17:23] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Its taking a minute to execute command
[17:24] <Guest92> im an idiot
[17:24] <Guest92> one sec let me try connecting to guest
[17:26] <Guest921> https://pastebin.com/3N1Xub3Z
[17:26] <Guest921> Jeremy31
[17:31] <Guest92> Jeremy31 Do you need me to termbin it for you or is pastebin sufficient?
[17:32] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Can you update the firmware on the router?
[17:33] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Unfortunately i cannot
[17:33] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Owner is weird about the router and having a guest network for everyone
[17:34] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Its crazy how everything else can connect but for some reason my system wont. I can connect to my mobile hotspot or whatever but now its giving me issues. It use to work once upon a time but i havent used it in a while and now its just doing this to me
[17:34] <Jeremy31> Guest92: I see this message-  associating with AP with corrupt probe response
[17:34] <Guest92> Jeremy31: hmmm.. so perhaps my firewall settings?
[17:35] <Guest92> Jeremy31: i use ufw. maybe i should try disabling ufw and connecting
[17:35] <Jeremy31> Guest92: definitely try after disabling UFW
[17:35] <Guest92> brb
[17:38] <Guest92s> Jeremy31 No bueno
[17:39] <Guest92s> Jeremy31 Grabbing my charger 1 sec
[17:40] <Jeremy31> Guest92s: You might have to connect to that one with your phone and use USB tethering to the laptop.  I can't find anything on how to ignore the corrupt probe response
[17:42] <Guest92> Jeremy31: OK back
[17:43] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Might have to connect the phone to the wifi and USB tether to the laptop.  Maybe even try a wifi extender
[17:43] <Guest92> Jeremy31: :(
[17:43] <Jeremy31> I am guessing that Windows and Android did some patch for the corrupt probe
[17:43] <Guest92> Jeremy31: I can stand right next to the box and i get the same issue
[17:44] <Jeremy31> Guest92: can you connect with ethernet?
[17:44] <Guest92> Jeremy31: No
[17:45] <Guest92> Jeremy31: Well that sucks. Doesn't make sense but I guess Ubuntu needs to patch that up or something
[17:45] <Guest92> Why would it recognize the AP as a corrupt probe?
[17:45] <Jeremy31> Guest92: Most likely upstream with the Linux kernel or Network Manager from Gnome
[17:46] <Guest92> hmmm
[17:46] <Guest92> i should try a different network manager
[17:46] <Jeremy31> That could work
[17:46] <Jeremy31> I don't think WICD is updated any more
[17:47] <Guest92> WICD?
[17:47] <Guest92> ah nm
[17:47] <Guest92> if its not updated anymore then i definitely need to find a safe alternative
[17:50] <Guest92> going to try wicd out and see
[17:51] <Jeremy31> Guest92: you will have to disable Network Manager in systemd
[17:52] <Guest92> You dont have these issues Guest92?
[17:53] <Guest92> well
[17:53] <Guest92> im going to try network channel and see maybe if someone can figure this out. i appreciate everything bro
[17:55] <jhutchins> Guest92: It might be obvious to try a different kernel/driver/network stack (a different distro) via live images.
[17:56] <Guest92> jhutchins What distro do u use?
[18:15] <Guest2027> Hi all, can someone help me out with a dual boot issue? I'm trying to install 20.04 on the same drive as Windows 10, but after setting up the partitions I get an error saying something like "The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in SSI1(0,0,0),partition#1(nvme0p2)at/boot/efi failed" (not exact text). I tried fixing it, but no success yet.
[18:17] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: Do you get the option to install along Windows?  Did you disable the hybrid shutdown in Windows?
[18:20] <Guest2027> Thanks Jeremy31. I do get that option. So far, I've been trying to have separate partitions for / and /home, which I think that option doesn't do by itself. I did not disable hybrid shutdown. I'm not sure what it is, but I did make sure that Windows was properly shut down, as opposed to suspended, if that would be the problem.
[18:21] <Guest92> *fades off into the digital wind with no resolution*
[18:21] <Guest92> Guess im going to microwave my laptop
[18:21] <Guest92> brb
[18:21] <Guest2027> What I'm thinking may be the problem is that Windows already put an EFI partition in the drive, with filesystem ntfl. It seems Ubuntu needs it to be FAT32.
[18:22] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: Windows should use FAT32 for EFI system partition
[18:23] <Guest2027> I tried telling the installer not to use Windows' EFI ("do not use this partition"), and instead use another partition I made and formatted as FAT32. No difference.
[18:23] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: It wouldn't like 2 EFI on the same drive
[18:24] <Guest2027> That's what I gather, that Windows should be using FAT32, but no. Maybe it's because I "installed" Windows by migrating it from a HDD using Samsunsg's data migration tool (new Samsung SSD).
[18:24] <oerheks> filesystem ntfl? you mean ntfs?
[18:24] <Guest2027> Sorry, yes. ntfs.
[18:25] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: open the Gparted program
[18:26] <Guest2027> I did think more than one EFI on the same drive may be trouble, which is why I set it to "do not use this partition", but it's still trying to mount to it. The error that I get does indicate that specific partition.
[18:26] <oerheks> no, windows does notmake an EFI partition on ntfs.. disable secure boot might help you out.
[18:27] <Guest2027> Thanks, I'll open Gparted. First I need to see if I can cancel the installation, which is frozen and at the same time locking GParted out.
[18:27] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: you shut down Windows from CLI with shutdown /s
[18:28] <Guest2027> oerheks, I guess the Samsung tool does it. I'll see if disabling secure boot helps.
[18:29] <Guest2027> Jeremy, no I just did a normal shutdown.
[18:30] <Guest2027> Ok Jeremy, what do with Gparted?
[18:30] <Guest2027> OR should I go back and fix something else first?
[18:32] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: Boot back into Windows, open a command line and enter> shutdown /s
[18:32] <Jeremy31> Windows will make it look like partitions are still mounted if hybrid shutdown is used
[18:33] <Guest2027> All right. I'll be back. Probably with a different nick. So you don't think it's about the file system? The solutions I've seen online say that reformatting to FAT32 solves it, but if I did that I would lose my Windows installation.
[18:34] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: or use the Ubuntu ISO and install clonezilla to clone that drive again
[18:34] <Jeremy31> If you still have that original, not much you can lose other than sanity
[18:35] <Guest2027> So if I do go the clonezilla route, do I need to just clone the main Windows partition, or do I also need the diagnostics partition, EFI, etc?
[18:36] <Guest2027> Heheh, my sanity has been dropping steadily for a couple of days, but I do have everything backed up.
[18:37] <Guest2027> I'm trying hard to clone Windows rather than reinstall from scratch, though. Although maybe reinstalling would mean a FAT32 EFI and the problem would be solved.
[18:38] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: Clone the drive as long as the new one is the same size or larger
[18:42] <Guest2027> The whole drive, then? That has another 2 or 3 OS on it, but I guess I can always just delete the partitions I won't use. I think I'll try shutting Windows via CLI first if you still think that may be the problem, and if that doesn't work I'll clone the whole thing.
[18:43] <Jeremy31> Guest2027: ok
[19:21] <MrCollinsGA> Ubuntu 20.04 when I run a batch script and there are unseen errors, which log do I check?
[19:22] <Jeremy31> Calling it from terminal?
[19:22] <MrCollinsGA> Jeremy31, yes
[19:23] <Jeremy31> maybe /var/log/kern.log
[19:23] <MrCollinsGA> Jeremy31, ok thank you. I will chk that now.
[19:25] <oerheks> Some applications also create logs in /var/log https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/viewing-and-monitoring-log-files#2-log-files-locations or simply journalctl
[19:26] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: What applictions does the script call?
[19:27] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, melt and custom scripts for google cloud
[19:28] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, I am trying to ascertain what my issue is with uploading a file to YT via terminal.
[19:28] <MrCollinsGA> and if I knew which log, I could figure it out
[20:17] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Which log, if any, depends on what program/command is running.
[20:18] <jhutchins> If it logs to stdout, you should see the output in the terminal that runs the program.
[20:18] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Perhaps start by running each step manually and seeing what output you get.
[20:19] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, thank you very much :) ill give that a shot
[20:19] <jhutchins> If you're running a script inside a script, look at the internal script and see what it's running, and whether it's redirecting it's output.
[20:20] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: An ordinary shell script will not write to a log.
[20:20] <MrCollinsGA> jhutchins, that is very good know
[21:06] <jhutchins> `
[21:06] <silva> Hello
[21:07] <matsaman> ohio
[21:51] <ogra`> MrCollinsGA, put "set -x" right below the "#!/bin/sh2 (or bin/bash) line ... then each line and each subcommand will produce output in a shalle script
[21:51] <ogra`> *shell
[21:52] <ogra`> *"#!/bin/sh"
[21:59] <MrCollinsGA> ogra`, awesome! THank you!
[22:27] <Guest6275> hello
[23:02] <eugene_> Eugene____
[23:12] <question> Hello. Since changing to a new router (speedport 4 smart), a thinkpad (with Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN) does not connect.
[23:13] <question> using win7
[23:13] <ravage> and why exactly are you in this channel?
[23:13] <question> sorry. i was hoping to find help
[23:14] <ravage> we can only give support for Ubuntu here
[23:14] <question> ok
[23:14] <ravage> which may be a good choice if you still use Windows 7
[23:16] <question> the thing is, i'm using ubuntu on this computer, and it had no problem to connect to the new router. but win7... i'm searching for hours
[23:17] <tomreyn> there is #windows. but they will most liklely not support EOL releases either
[23:18] <Maik> question: Windows is not supported here and besides that W7 isn't supported anymore, so....
[23:18] <question> yes, no problem.
[23:18] <Maik> we only support Ubuntu and it's official flavors
[23:19] <ravage> I think he got it :)
[23:19] <Maik> just making sure
[23:19] <Maik> :)
[23:20] <question> my ubuntu question would be: why does mozilla show "this connection is not secure" so often.
[23:21] <jhutchins> Windows does funky default "we know what's good for you" things with networking, and likes to charge extra for the "pro" version that lets you actually connect (sometimes).
[23:21] <matsaman> question: probably 'cause it isn't secure
[23:21] <Maik> question: even that is not ubuntu related i guess
[23:22] <jhutchins> question: That means that the site has not presented a valid ssl certificate, or has otherwise not negotiated an ssl connection.
[23:22] <question> ok
[23:22] <ravage> I really don't dare to ask which Ubuntu version that is :)
[23:22] <jhutchins> question: I believe that's what you'll get from a site that'st plain http only (no https).
[23:23] <question> ubuntu studio
[23:23] <matsaman> you don't really need to worry about security when you're not transmitting sensitive information
[23:23] <question> for creative people :)
[23:23] <matsaman> credit card info, highly private browsing habits, etc.
[23:23] <matsaman> home address
[23:24] <jhutchins> The kind of information you commonly find in a phone book ...
[23:25] <matsaman> no, more private than that, but
[23:25] <matsaman> if your name & address _is_ in a phone book, it's still not tied to your IP
[23:25] <matsaman> not until you set about making it that way
[23:26] <matsaman> someone who already knows your name, and finds an address linked to that name is an altogether different problem
[23:26] <question> can i check my emails (gmx) by using the ubuntu console? because firefox does not want to open the webpage.
[23:26] <matsaman> question: you should be able to use pop or imap with gmx, I forget which they offer
[23:26] <question> ok
[23:26] <ravage> question: which version of Ubuntu Studio?
[23:27] <question> that's a good question. how do i find out?
[23:28] <question> it's old
[23:28] <Bashing-om> question: ' lsb_release -a ' .
[23:29] <ravage> If your Firefox does not support modern websites anymore it must be ancient
[23:29] <ravage> And you should reinstall your whole system
[23:29] <question> Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[23:29] <Bashing-om> !12.04 | question
[23:30] <question> ok
[23:30] <Bashing-om> !eol | question
[23:31] <ravage> i dont think upgrades von 12.04 are realistic
[23:31] <ravage> *from
[23:31] <ravage> backup your data and wipe everything. install Ubuntu (studio) 20.04 and if you really need to a supported version of windows
[23:31] <Bashing-om> question: ^ agreed - a long hard bumpy road from 12.04 !
[23:34] <question> thank you for your time.
[23:34] <ravage> good luck :)
[23:34] <question> thank you
[23:37] <jhutchins> 322
[23:39] <Diagon> gedit starts (can be seen in ps ux) but no longer opens windows (even after reboot) and kill -9 won't kill it.  Nothing in dmesg or journalctl.  Any thoughts?
[23:39] <Diagon> 68724  0.0  0.1 320196 39844 ?        D    13:21   0:00 /usr/bin/gedit --gapplication-service
[23:39] <Diagon> 678845  0.0  0.1 320200 38436 ?        D    15:23   0:00 gedit -s
[23:40] <Diagon> I've never seen a process that I just couldn't kill.
[23:41] <tomreyn> ps(1): "PROCESS STATE CODES" "D    uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)"
[23:41] <relipse> how do I set up my own ssl cert on my local
[23:42] <tomreyn> Diagon: see what the Cpu line on "top" says
[23:43] <Diagon> 20   0  320196  39844  29528 D   0.0   0.1   0:00.18 gedit
[23:43] <Diagon> That help?
[23:43] <tomreyn> relipse: for which service?
[23:43] <tomreyn> Diagon: no
[23:43] <relipse> tomreyn: apache?
[23:43] <relipse> do i have to create a self-signed certificate/
[23:44] <tomreyn> Diagon: i meant the "%Cpu(s):  " line
[23:44] <tomreyn> relipse: on which ubuntu version?
[23:44] <relipse> 20.04
[23:44] <tomreyn> apache webserver, i assume?
[23:44] <relipse> yes
[23:44] <Diagon> tomreyn - oops, sorry.  it's 0%
[23:44] <Diagon> 0.0
[23:44] <Diagon> %MEM is 0.1
[23:46] <tomreyn> Diagon: try this:  vmstat -sSM | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:47] <Diagon> tomreyn - https://termbin.com/x4f7
[23:47] <tomreyn> relipse: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/security-certificates
[23:49] <Diagon> tomreyn - I see I still had it wrong.  You wanted this from `top`:
[23:49] <Diagon> %Cpu(s):  6.2 us,  0.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 93.1 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
[23:51] <tomreyn> relipse: but i think the apache2-* packages actually generate a "snakeoil" certificate
[23:51] <relipse> tomreyn: how do I utilize those?
[23:51] <tomreyn> Diagon: that's what i was looking for. it does not explain the D state on the gedit processes
[23:52] <tomreyn> Diagon: if you are sure that there is really no indication of what may have happened on your logs (systemctl -b) then i suggest you could just reboot.
[23:52] <Diagon> "D" stands for...?
 ps(1): "PROCESS STATE CODES" "D    uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)"
[23:52] <Diagon> I've rebooted many times.  I get the same problem.
[23:52] <Diagon> gedit never starts.
[23:53] <Diagon> I.C.  Thanks....
[23:53] <tomreyn> do a file system check while the file system is not mounted
[23:53] <tomreyn> i.e. from recovery if this is the / file system
[23:53] <Diagon> It's btrfs.  I've scrubbed and can do it again, but ...  I also reinstalled gedit already.
[23:53] <Diagon> It's raid
[23:53] <Diagon> raid1
[23:53] <Diagon> scrub came out fine.
[23:54] <tomreyn> is the raid implemented in btrfs?
[23:54] <tomreyn> or is it separate md(adm) raid?
[23:55] <Diagon> in btrfs
[23:55] <tomreyn> you could also run smartctl -x
[23:56] <tomreyn> relipse: i think you will already have /etc/ssl/private when the (open)ssl apache module is enabled
[23:56] <tomreyn> and in there should be a "snakeoil" key
[23:57] <relipse> what the heck is  snakeoil key
[23:57] <relipse> and how do I use it
[23:57] <ravage> Diagon: you can try "sudo debsums -s" do make sure your system files are all ok. you may have to install the package debsums first
[23:57] <tomreyn> snakeoil is just the filename of a self-signed ssl certificate that would have been generated
[23:58] <Diagon> ravage - cool.  never heard of that package.
[23:58] <zenof> running "fc-cache -rfv ~/.local/share/fonts/" gives me "/home/zenof/.local/share/fonts: caching, new cache contents: 28 fonts, 0 dirs" but then also "/home/zenof/.local/share/fonts: failed to write cache" . I've had that trouble once before, but can't remember what the solution was... any ideas?