[01:13] <transhumanist> hi I was force to upgrade to 20.10 seems  linux-cloud-tools-common and  libguestfs-tools both do not have the  virt-p2p-make-disk utility in them , anyone know where i  can find it?
[01:17] <Bashing-om> !21.10 | transhumanist The software repo for groovy no longer exist as you once knew it
[01:18] <Bashing-om> !20.10 | transhumanist The software repo for groovy no longer exist as you once knew it
[01:21] <transhumanist> sorry I am mistaken I am running impish... the next release, sorry got messed up during my upgrade crash, as to what version I am on , seems virt-p2v-make-disk  is in virt-p2p  but it asks to specify the ubuntu version in the virt-p2v-make-disk but there is no list in the man pages as to what the possible names of the host for the upgrade disk are
[01:22] <transhumanist> ah I guess I have to upgrade again to  22.04,  no problem thanks
[01:23] <ravage> 22.04 is not out yet. As the version suggest it will be released in April 2022
[01:24] <transhumanist> so I guess I find myself stuck between releases then, is that a fair assesment?
[01:24] <ravage> You can just stay on the current 21.10 release
[01:24] <toddc1> is it availible in 20.04?
[01:25] <transhumanist> well where do I get help for the options on virt-p2v-make-disk ? , no it was broken in 20.04 thats why I upgraded
[01:25] <transhumanist> and the magic to compile the package from a later release from source is poorly documented, doesnt seem to work with any of the methods they give in the README
[01:26] <toddc1> not used in a while sorry
[01:26] <transhumanist> the source for the later thing is on github, but seems its build process is not what it  is documented to be anymore
[01:27] <ravage> What does virt-builder -l  output?
[01:27] <ravage> It should list the supported OSes
[01:27] <transhumanist> I figured it out the format of the command is sudo virt-p2v-make-disk -o /dev/sda ubuntu20.04 no space
[01:27] <transhumanist> the man pages is missing the OS Parameter options
[01:28] <jhutchins> transhumanist: You could submit a correction.
[01:28] <transhumanist> wher do i do that jhutchins?
[01:28] <transhumanist> on the github repo submit a bug
[01:32] <mnt_grrrl> My ubuntu latest lts updates just started making a random sound. It is a bleep noise. Any idea what this is and how to remove it?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> transhumanist: Per https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=virt-p2v&mode=filename&suite=impish&arch=any - virt-p2v isa a part of virt-p2v-make-disk (as well as other packages) in impish.
[01:37] <transhumanist> so where do I submit the fact that the man pages for it does not list what the OS-VERSION options and their formats are?
[01:38] <matsaman> for what?
[01:40] <transhumanist> ah never mind the upgraded man pages in 20.10 says use the command virt-builder -l\
[01:40] <transhumanist> err virt-builder -l
[01:50] <circuitbone> Is there a shortcut for the staring file or folder system
[02:18] <dman777> https://dpaste.org/vYCg Trying to run emscripten but I get a Permission denied: 'cmake'. When I try it with sudo it is not in the PATH env. How can I handle this, please?
[02:23] <jhutchins> dman777: Supply the full path?
[02:24] <dman777> oh, I did not realize this but cmake was not installed
[02:27] <jhutchins> Ah...that'll do it.
[02:28] <jhutchins> !build essentials
[02:28] <jhutchins> !build-essentials
[02:29] <jhutchins> Debian has a meta-package that installs everything (including several kitchen sinks).
[02:37] <Philip0a> Does anyone use xsane for scanning?  I have found that on both newly installed Ubuntu and Debian (on different machines)  it will (1) work correctly initially (2) hide the resolution chooser. And on Ubuntu it will then (3) start giving "error during save: broken pipe" after scanning and before saving to disk.
[02:39] <Philip0a> Also (3) the entry for filename gets crushed to less than one character so it cannot be used.
[02:40] <Philip0a> that is, (1) work correctly initially, then after a few good scans, (2) hide the resolution chooser.
[02:42] <junebug> Is it safe to delete the ~/.cache folder?
[02:43] <Philip0a> when running xsane from command line, the errors are as follows:
[02:43] <Philip0> $ xsane -N ~/scans/2022-01-PT.pnm
[02:43] <Philip0> Gtk-Message: 10:12:12.541: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[02:43] <Philip0> (xsane:6079): Gdk-CRITICAL **: 10:12:23.963: IA__gdk_drawable_unref: assertion 'GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed
[02:43] <Philip0> (xsane:6079): Gdk-CRITICAL **: 10:12:23.963: IA__gdk_drawable_unref: assertion 'GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed
[02:43] <Philip0> lp: Error - No default destination.
[02:46] <Philip0a> does anyone have enough scrollback log to see the command for quieting the xfs year 2038 message? It was about 11 hours back.
[03:01] <jhutchins> Philip0a: xfs_admin -O bigtime=1 /dev/sdXY
[03:02] <jhutchins> Philip0a: That one?
[03:03] <Philip0a> thank you jhutchins
[03:03] <Philip0a> That will make xfs partition incompatible with kernels earlier than ?
[03:09] <jhutchins> No idea, for all I know it opens a subspace channel to V'ger.  It's what was posted earlier though.
[03:09] <Philip0a> much appreciated, I will search more online.
[03:10] <Philip0a> Anyone use xsane?
[03:11] <jhutchins> Only when I want to scan something.
[03:13] <Philip0a> have you used it recently?
[03:16] <leftyfb> junebug: I would suggest deleting it's contents, but sure
[03:20] <jhutchins> Philip0a: A couple of weeks ago, but it was on a stretch system.
[03:20] <jhutchins> !ask
[03:26] <jhutchins> Philip0a: Did you have a question about sane or can I go chase the cats now?
[03:27] <Philip0a> Thank you, I asked above earlier, and I've managed to resolve the xsane issue now. Thank you for checking!
[03:31] <jhutchins> Right, cats it is.
[03:38] <xheimlich> what's the simplest way to know, from the CLI, if multiple cpus/cores are being used?
[03:46] <Philip0> for core speeds: grep -i MHz /proc/cpuinfo
[03:46] <Philip0> for utilization: top
[03:46] <leftyfb> xheimlich: htop
[03:46] <Philip0> in top press 1
[03:59] <xheimlich> thanks
[04:21] <xheimlich> joblib.Parallel is great, but it's also a roundabout way of doing what in matlab was achieved by replacing "for" for "parfor".
[04:21] <xheimlich> But instead of making parallelism with first class syntax, nooo.
[04:21] <xheimlich> wrong channel
[08:12] <kristian_on_linu> hi, looking for a tool that will turn .po into .rtf or something ... any ideas?
[08:23] <iomari891> greetings, IS there some issue with ppa.launhcpad.net? ALl my repos from it are failing today.
[08:36] <rfm> In general we don't support anything out of the official repos, but if I try to get toe ppa.launchpad.net it just redirects to launchpad.net
[08:40] <ducasse> iomari891: you can try #launchpad
[08:51] <Wakko[m]> I have some ppa's installed. I did an apt update successfully. So i guess ppa.launchpad.net works fine.
[09:28] <weedmic> looking for a way to list which processes are using internet, somehow record usage amount for each transaction, and send totals once per day.  I was using netstat, for the totals, but apparently they want to know which apps send data, not just a total.  the clincher is it cannot be dynamic.  any ideas would be great - could be multiple tools from which i gather data.
[09:41] <asarch> From inside the guest Linux OS, how could I know what type of virtualization is actually "doing", full virtualization or paravirtualization?
[09:42] <pancake> hello
[09:42] <pancake> anybody here
[09:57] <Philip0a> Can anyone explain why, if you look at pastebin.com/zbM1A4hM you see that firefox is called a NEW package, while it comes from updates, and I believe it was already installed.
[09:57] <Philip0a> Reason I am asking is I would like to undo the apt install xsane, and I'm wondering whether I should undo the firefox install, but I only see one installed firefox.
[09:59] <Philip0a> I'm newish to apt but am familiar with other package managers yum/dnf.
[10:01] <weedmic> Philip0a: my "guess" is that the version of firefox changed - so it is "new" and telling the truth.  if you tried to install the same firefox again, it would say 0
[10:01] <weedmic> i did not understand the rest of the question
[10:03] <Philip0a> I wish to undo the install, but (your explanation makes sense) I don't want to undo the firefox update.
[10:04] <tomreyn> this output suggests that package firefox was not installed at the time this command ran.
[10:05] <Philip0a> Thats what I thought tomreyn. however the minimal install from USB had the firefox icon on the upper left, and I vaguely thought I had used firefox prior.
[10:05] <Philip0a> So it is confusing
[10:06] <tomreyn> what the apt source (download location) of a package is (here impish-updates) is unrelated to whether or not it was previously installed, or installed while apt is running.
[10:06] <tomreyn> i can only comment based on the output provided
[10:06] <guiverc> Philip0a, 21.10 Desktop defaulted to `firefox` as a snap (flavors came with deb) so a deb package maybe new (& in addition to firefox as snap)
[10:06] <tomreyn> oh right
[10:07] <Philip0a> So this means that I now have firefox snap and firefox deb? That would explain the output.
[10:07] <guiverc> Philip0a, try `snap list` to confirm/see
[10:08] <Philip0a> yes firefox 96.0.1-1
[10:09] <guiverc> when you upgrade to 22.04 you'll likely only have the snap package; on 21.10 you can have both happily
[10:10] <Philip0a> I do not see a need to have two; what is the advantage of snap / deb ? Why is snap the new default?
[10:11] <guiverc> Philip0a, in the future (22.04) it'll be snap.  Ubuntu 21.10 new installs or release-upgrades after release/RC got snap packages; prior used debs (as did flavors)...   Snaps are now Mozilla want firefox delievered in Ubuntu; Canonical agreed from 22.04
[10:11] <guiverc> s/now Mozilla/how Mozilla/ ^
[10:12] <guiverc> 21.10 let them see issues (if they existed; they do for some non-english/language users for example..)
[10:13] <guiverc> (deb is there for 21.10 as a fallback if problems are discovered by users)
[10:13] <Philip0a> Does the snap service burn CPU cycles when no snaps are in use? I'm planning to use this as a compute machine.
[10:15] <guiverc> snap slows boot time; even slows shutdown a little... not run time I believe
[10:16] <Philip0a> It looks like snap list includes bare core core20 gnome gtk-common-themes -- so maybe the GUI itself runs in snap???
[10:16] <guiverc> no.. the core20 type apps are like LIBS; required for any snaps that were compiled with the 20.04 base... if you `snap install` a snap compiled by 18.04 base you'll see core18 added..
[10:16] <guiverc> (like a package *depends* requirement with debs)
[10:17] <guiverc> gtk-common-themes are so snaps can look correct on a deb based platform (ubuntu)
[10:17] <Philip0a> how does one tell which snaps are running? Does the snap list | info commands work the same for user and root?
[10:18] <mostafa> Hello ..a simple question ...who knows how many record can `history` command hold?
[10:18] <Philip0a> mostafa echo $HISTSIZE  $HISTFILESIZE
[10:19] <Philip0a> mostafa These values can be changed temporarily or in shell configuration scripts
[10:20] <mostafa> Philip0a: thanks. it return `500 500`  how we can change it?
[10:21] <Philip0a> HISTSIZE=5000
[10:21] <Philip0a> HISTFILESIZE=5000
[10:21] <Philip0a> run in command line; to make permanent put in .bashrc or equivalent
[10:21] <Philip0a> read 'man bash'
[10:23] <Philip0a> guiverc, or anyone, how does one tell which snaps are running? How does one execute a snap vs a .deb package? Does the snap list | info commands work the same for user and root?
[10:24] <mostafa> Philip0a: Thanks... that's good.
[10:26] <benni> If i execute an command on an remote host via ssh (ssh test@host1.lan 'test.sh') the execution of test.sh on the remove host i not beeing canceled if i disconnect the ssh seesion?
[10:26] <guiverc> `ps` will reveals snaps as `/snap/...` in the program name/path is one way I guess; sorry Philip0a if there is a command that shows running snaps I'm not aware of it
[10:26] <toddc> Philip0a: just tested on my desktop user and SU are the same
[10:27] <guiverc> snaps can be executed via path  (`/snap/bin/chromium` will execute chromium on my box as snap)
[10:29] <Philip0a> benni I think it depends. run 'man nohup'
[10:29] <Philip0a> on the remote machine !!!
[10:30] <Philip0a> thank you guiverc. That gets me started.
[10:30] <guiverc> you're most welcome
[10:31] <bugweiser> hi all, what is the best operating system to compile gnu 'software' on?
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> bugweiser: polls are not really the scope of this channel
[10:32] <guiverc> bugweiser, there is only one answer to that that is on-topic; Ubuntu or flavor of Ubuntu GNU/Linux
[10:32] <guiverc> https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[10:32] <bugweiser> ok, which ubuntu should I pick 19 or 20 (from onworks.net, free remote desktops)
[10:32] <tomreyn> there is no ubuntu 19 or 20
[10:33] <guiverc> there is no Ubuntu 19... and the products using the 20 are different to this using year.month foramt (eg. 20 is different to 20.04)
[10:33] <bugweiser> oh, I just read what onworks says..
[10:33] <guiverc> Ubuntu Core 20 is more difficult & rather different to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[10:34] <bugweiser> there is also an ubunto gnome 16 (whatever it is), perhaps I should try that ?
[10:34] <guiverc> I would not recommend using Ubuntu Core 20 or any year product.
[10:35] <Philip0a> Oh if I used "apt install X"  and want to undo it, shall I just 'apt remove' everything listed in /var/log/apt  (the final section is the transaction I want to undo)
[10:36] <guiverc> my last Ubuntu Core 20 comment was to bugweiser ; they are good for servers in cloud/appliances/devices; but not general compiling & beginner user type operation
[10:36] <bugweiser> ok, so I try this 16 thing
[10:37] <bugweiser> OnWorks Ubuntu GNOME online, version 16,
[10:37] <guiverc> I'd not recommend Ubuntu Core 16 either.   Ubuntu 16.04 LTS has completed it's standard support life; it's off-topic here
[10:37] <bugweiser> provisioning server...
[10:37] <bugweiser> off topic
[10:37] <bugweiser> ok
[10:37] <bugweiser> kill server
[10:38] <bugweiser> though.. I can only use what onworks gives me.. unless anyone knows of another free provider without any form of questions or registration ...
[10:38] <guiverc> Ubuntu Core 16 cannot use `apt` type commands; it's a snap only product
[10:38] <Philip0a> it seems that "apt install xsane" installed 21 packages while "apt remove xsane; apt autoremove" removed 1+18 packages.
[10:38] <bugweiser> so that can't compile gnu software ?
[10:38] <bugweiser> whoops.  'software'
[10:39] <guiverc> bugweiser, the year format (16,18,20) signify a snap only product, contrasted to 18.04, 20.04 which use deb packages and thus can `apt install`
[10:40] <bugweiser> strange, I could use apt-get install just fine on ubuntu 20 yesterday
[10:40] <bugweiser> I have been trying for quite some time and almost no sleep to compile this gnu 'software'
[10:40] <guiverc> bugweiser, you won't have been using Ubuntu Core 20 then, either a fake or Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example
[10:41] <bugweiser> so then I should pick the 16 ?
[10:41] <tomreyn> guiverc: nworks.net suggests otherwise, though, i.e. "ubuntu 20" there seems to actually be "Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS". Which is one of the reasons I think bugweiser should get support directly from them, unless it's generic Ubuntu questions for supported releases.
[10:41] <tomreyn> * onworks.net
[10:41] <weedmic> is anyone familiar with nethogs?  specifically, sending the data to a file for tabulation/calculations later?
[10:42] <tomreyn> bugweiser: this channel support the ubuntu releases listed on the channel topic. if you need help with onworks.net, please contact them.
[10:42] <guiverc> concur tomreyn & thanks; bugweiser your details are incorrect because you're reading a poorly put together (factually incorrect/sloppy) set of instructions
[10:42] <Philip0a> Ah apt remove firefox accounts for the missing 2. In case anyone is out there listening in suspense ;)
[10:42] <bugweiser> ok, so couse onworks don't supply an ontopic version of ubuntu, I can't get help trying to compile this gnu 'software' so I can write a corrected manpage and ship that to debian (as promised 8 days ago) so that you in turn get a fixed uuencode.5 ?
[10:42] <bugweiser> ... right..
[10:43] <bugweiser> ok.. so thats why no one wants to fix things..
[10:43] <bugweiser> clear, thanks
[10:43] <Philip0a> uuencode needs fixing? It worked just fine in 1995.  :)
[10:44] <bugweiser> pfft
[10:44] <guiverc> bugweiser, get help from onworks given they're not using legimtate Ubuntu products, or don't have correct details..
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> weedmic: for specific support on packages, best to seek specific channels/maintainer help
[10:45] <bugweiser> Philip0a https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760508
[10:45] <weedmic> acked
[10:45] <benni> Philip0a, i thought the process on the remote host will get the SIGHUP or SIGINT signal but the simple script is running to the end, thats why im confused.
[10:45] <bugweiser> but. just pretend there is just one fileformat that was used over the past 42 years..
[10:47] <Philip0a> Now I'm curious to see what has happened to the uuencode codebase.
[10:47] <bugweiser> ah
[10:47] <iomari891> greetings, Can lvm be setup on a running system?
[10:47] <bugweiser> well, i have been digging for a week of all my spare time, i'm 99% sure I found the smoking gun.
[10:48] <bugweiser> but I refuse to correct things on 99% otherwise we continue to f up
[10:48] <bugweiser> I only do 100%
[10:48] <tomreyn> bugweiser: please stay on topic: ubuntu support. thanks.
[10:48] <bugweiser> tomreyn, with all politeness.. how am I gonna hold up my promise if no-one wants to help ?
[10:49] <jo-erlend> iomari891, If you mean whether you can move your root filesystem to LVM while the system is running, that's not possible. But you could add lvm to an unused disk or partition while the system is running, sure.
[10:50] <iomari891> jo-erlend: thanks
[10:50] <bugweiser> I can nnot compile it. Solving the 8 year old bug (at debian) would solve the problem also for ubuntu, you told me last week.
[10:50] <Philip0a> bugweiser, you should only promise what you are able to do.
[10:50] <bugweiser> i can write a correct spec
[10:51] <bugweiser> but 99% sure is not 100%
[10:51] <bugweiser> either these files exist in the wild, or they don't
[10:51] <guiverc> bugweiser, please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:51] <Philip0a> benni I heard a rumor that some servers break with tradition and keep things running. But this is situation dependent.
[10:52] <benni> mh, only Ubuntu 18.04 hosts are involved..
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> Philip0a: please stop the random chat, ubuntu support focus
[10:54] <Philip0a> OK. (I was trying to be helpful. No further response needed.)
[11:01] <bugweiser> I joined ubuntu-offtopic as requested, lets hope my question is ontopic there
[11:01] <bugweiser> thand you very much
[11:11] <Maik> guiverc: #ubuntu-doc would have been more approriate than offtopic
[11:22] <guiverc> sorry bugweiser Maik ; it read like rambling rather than seeking to help/be-constructive..
[11:22] <Maik> no problem :)
[11:22] <HaveASpareMinute> Hi. I have cron jobs that are running. When they finish, they output their result to /var/mail/$USER. I have very recently set up postfix so that I can also send email from the command line. I can, but also cron jobs send me a regular email now as well. I want my cron jobs to continue to behave as before, by only writing to /var/mail/$USER. How can I do that?
[11:24] <bugweiser> np
[11:25] <tomreyn> HaveASpareMinute: are you saying you have your cron jobs themselves actively write to /var/mail/$USER ? Or that files are created there as a result of cron jobs running which create output to stdout/stderr?
[11:25] <bugweiser> https://releases.ubuntu.com/ is this the list of supported ontopic releases ?
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> bugweiser: in our /topic you can see them
[11:26] <guiverc> bugweiser, ESM releases are off-topic here, only standard support releases are on-topic
[11:26] <guiverc> (standard = LTS & interim; no ESM)
[11:27] <bugweiser> will my question become ontopic if I upgrade a box to Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa) ?
[11:27] <HaveASpareMinute> @tomreyn I haven't EXPLICITLY configured them to write to  /var/mail/$USER. But until now, they did, and I liked it. So I guess they do it probably by "output to stdout/stder"
[11:27] <guiverc> Ubuntu 20.04.3 is on-topic here  (I don't recall the question)
[11:29] <bugweiser> I ultimately *hope* for some hints/tips on how to get the package compiled wich I think exibits the behaviour that is conflicting in the manpage, specifically, uuencode.5  (and it 's corresponding upstream debian bug-rapport)
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> bugweiser: compiling packages is also not really what we advice, try some packages from apt or snap repos instead?
[11:31] <bugweiser> then I can't confirm the behaviour of that specific older version
[11:31] <tomreyn> bugweiser: that's not our or this channels' concern. last warning.
[11:33] <bugweiser> warning? I just enquired if my question could be made ontopic. A simple no would also suffice. Thank you for your time.
[11:33] <derek_> hello
[11:34] <derek_> im running ubuntu 20.04. i used " apt install wine" and it installed wine version 6.0.2. can someone help me through the process of uninstalling wine 6.0.2 and instead installing wine version 5.4 ?
[11:35] <bugweiser> I'm sorry I wasn't aware that questions about compiling packages on ubuntu 20.4 were not on topic here.. my bad.
[11:36] <tomreyn> bugweiser: what's (not) on topic here is discussed on the guielines, linked in the channel topic, the guidelines, when read, will refer you to where you can get help with them.
[11:37] <bugweiser> I did read them (feel free to check the ip logs) but I guess I missed it and will read again. thanks for your time and patience.
[11:37] <tomreyn> HaveASpareMinute: so /var/mail/$USER is where the mail system stores local users' mail to, crond will take output produced by cron jobs and pass it to the local mail transport, for the user the cron job ran as.
[11:52] <bugweiser> tomreyn, am i reading the wrong document? https://ubottu.com/y/gl   I'm not seeing really what is on and off topic on that page, it doesn't even mention what kind of ubuntu versions are ontopic, neither that questions about compiling packages on supported versions of ubuntu is offtopic.  I do find a link on that page to 'list of ubuntu core channels'  but this current page also says I should try and find the best channel per question.
[12:04] <HiHoGo> Hi all i am trying to run something and following a tutorial it says to mount a disk image and then it will automatically run. its not doing that. what do i need to do to run it manually
[12:08] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: how would anyone be able to answer this, with the amount of details you provided? start with your ubuntu release, the link of the how-to you're following, or the relevant commands you are running / actions you are carrying out, and some details on this disk image you are mounting.
[12:09] <gh0st`> :-|
[12:10] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: and hi to you as well!
[12:11] <HiHoGo> tomreyn: sorry but that si all info i have
[12:11] <HiHoGo> oh ok Hold on
[12:11] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: you do not know which tutorial you are following?
[12:12] <HiHoGo> https://itsfoss.com/virtualbox-guest-additions-ubuntu/
[12:13] <HiHoGo> i followed all the steps but this does not work "This will provide you with the required installer inside the guest system (i.e. the virtual operating system). It will try auto-running, so just click Run:"
[12:14] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: you can post info on your ubuntu release to the termbin.com site (usually deleted after <= 1 month) with these commands on a terminal:   (lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version*,cmdline}) | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:14] <webchat54> Ubuntu 21.10 on laptop with dual intel and NVIDIA: sometimes the screen flickers, sometimes the image shifts so that it wraps around the side. How do I troubleshoot this?
[12:16] <HiHoGo> tomreyn: this (lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version*,cmdline}) | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:16] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: yes?
[12:17] <webchat54> Usually it's when I'm moving the mouse via the touchpad. One time when I clicked on the upper right to suspend, the edge of the screen was shifted a menu-width to the left. However it's not predictable.
[12:18] <HiHoGo> https://termbin.com/cvf6
[12:19] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: thanks. you run Ubuntu 20.04 LTS ("focal").
[12:19] <HiHoGo> that si what it says yes
[12:19] <webchat54> Also, where did GNOME hide the "Swap Control and CAPS_LOCK" keyboard option?
[12:19] <webchat54> It used to be in gnome-tweaks
[12:19] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: how did you install virtualbox? are you using the packages in ubuntu, or did you follow the instructions on virtualbox.org to add their apt repository?
[12:20] <HiHoGo> ubuntu is the guest os
[12:20] <HiHoGo> mac osx is the host
[12:21] <webchat54> Ah I found it in gnome-tweaks after all.   Still wondering about the visual bugs, maybe it's called "screen tearing" ?
[12:22] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: oh i see. so the prompt at https://i0.wp.com/itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/autorun_guest_additions_installation.png just doesn't come up when you insert the guest additions cd image into the ubuntu 20.04 guest system?
[12:22] <HiHoGo> so to install vbox download from vbox site the corect version for the host os and run it
[12:22] <HiHoGo> tomreyn: yes that is correct
[12:24] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: hmm, maybe yours is configured not to auto mount cd-roms (thats how the guest additions .iso image is mounted on the ubuntu guest system).
[12:24] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: you can open the file browser and navigate to the cdrom
[12:25] <HiHoGo> yes i can its there now
[12:26] <HiHoGo> I just need to know what file is the autorun one and how to get it to run from terminal
[12:26] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: there, you should find a file "autoreun.sh". when you click this once, you should see a "run software" button on the top right. is that the case?
[12:27] <tomreyn> * "autorun.sh"
[12:27] <HiHoGo> that file has a closed lock on it
[12:27] <HiHoGo> mmmmm hold on one moment
[12:28] <tomreyn> did you login to the ubuntu graphical desktop as user root by chance?
[12:29] <HiHoGo> ok so i opened the file browser as root and clicked the autorun.sh file still nothing
[12:30] <tomreyn> i did not suggest that you should open the file browser as user root
[12:30] <tomreyn> and you should not
[12:31] <HiHoGo> tomreyn: see this https://imgur.com/zD1dv3A.png
[12:31] <tomreyn> is this ubuntu studio?
[12:32] <HiHoGo> Hi also see this screenshot https://imgur.com/PcElU3h.png
[12:32] <HiHoGo> hang on ubuntu studio mmmmmmm wait there
[12:33] <HiHoGo> is there a terminal command that will give that info
[12:33] <tomreyn> the top left icon suggests that you are using ubuntu studio. it would also match the xfce window manager you seem to be running.
[12:33] <tomreyn> echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[12:33] <tomreyn> echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL
[12:34] <tomreyn> the latter
[12:34] <HiHoGo> ah ok your probabvbly right
[12:34] <HiHoGo> ah ok your probabvbly right
[12:35] <HiHoGo> sorry to bother you here wrong channel. got a few os in vbox and forgot.
[12:35] <HiHoGo> thanks for your help tomreyn
[12:35] <tomreyn> do not login as root, do not run the file browser as root. navigate to the VBox_GAs_... cd-rom in file browser again. right-click on "autorun.sh" and see whether there is an option to execute it.
[12:36] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: it's okay to ask UbuntuStudio questions here, since it's an official flavour.
[12:36] <tomreyn> (there is also #ubuntustudio)
[12:37] <HiHoGo> tomreyn: oh ok. i have been told of before to go the the Ubuntu studio channel
[12:37] <HiHoGo> since this is not ubuntu
[12:37] <Aarch64debian> ./ ?
[12:38] <Aarch64debian> how good is virtualbox on macosx
[12:38] <HiHoGo> tomreyn: from my memory the #ubuntustudio channel is hardly active
[12:38] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: UbuntuStudio would be the right place to ask about things that are specific to its graphical user interface or add-on software respositories.
[12:39] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: i mean #UbuntuStudio would be the right place to ask this. but when it comes to questions on the underlying system, you can defintiely ask here, too.
[12:39] <HiHoGo> Aarch64debian: vbox works great on windows, linux, mac osx etc etc
[12:39] <tomreyn> Aarch64debian: please stay on topic, ubuntu support q&a
[12:40] <HiHoGo> I would run linux os directly on this macbook Pro but as it has no recovery partition or any other boot optiond i can get into i cant boot from cd or usb so i cant install linux next to osx
[12:42] <oerheks> sure there are guides for macbook pro, depends on what version
[12:44] <tomreyn> HiHoGo: see above on how i suggest to proceed, if you still would like to.
[12:47] <HiHoGo> ok thanks tomreyn
[12:54] <Aarch64debian> !info tor
[12:55] <oerheks> !tor
[13:02] <Philip0> Ubuntu 21.10. Intermittent video problems, screen tearing. Does this dmesg fragment "Failed to grab modeset ownership" give any clues? How to troubleshoot?
[13:03] <Philip0> https://pastebin.com/3W4fJL8B
[13:03] <tomreyn> that'll be nvidia driver related. it would be good to discuss which one you're using.
[13:04] <tomreyn> please post the full line of dmesg in the future, since this will tell which driver emitted said message
[13:06] <Philip0> [drm:nv_drm_master_set [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab modeset ownership
[13:07] <Philip0> nvidia-detector : nvidia-driver-495
[13:12] <webchat54> does that help?
[13:13] <Philip0> Any ideas?
[13:14] <oerheks> did you use nomodeset in grub?
[13:14] <Philip0> I think it was necessary to boot.
[13:15] <oerheks> but now you have installed the driver, maybe you can remove it?
[13:15] <oerheks> it could explain "Failed to grab modeset"
[13:18] <Philip0> Just checked, it's not in /etc/defaults/grub.  Where to look?
[13:18] <ravage> i also have "Failed to grab modeset ownership" but i have no problems at all
[13:18] <EriC^^> Philip0: cat /proc/cmdline should show which which you booted with
[13:19] <Philip0> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.13.0-25-generic root=UUID=8d3fb343-e9ca-4c77-bc39-b8409e62380a ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[13:19] <EriC^^> pretty standard
[13:41] <Philip0> any other ideas?
[13:50] <Maik> Aarch64debian: such questions belong elsewhere like in the virtualbox channel and second stop using the bot. You should know better by now.
[13:51] <Aarch64debian> the bot?
[13:54] <Aarch64debian> stop calling ppl bot becuz their name isnt ubuntu
[13:55] <Maik> Aarch64debian: stop fooling around please
[13:55] <Maik> you know exactly what is meant
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:23] <mannequin> hiya
[14:53] <hays> i need a solid favor for someone who understand linux networking -- I have a machine with a public IP on eth0 (pretty standard) and I am trying to understand how to create a container with its own private interface that can access the outside. I have a reserved IPv6 block, but I just don't know how to set it up
[14:55] <hays> I've looked up some tutorials, but finding that there are a lot of glitches in the instructions and am just confused conceptually I think.  What I think makes sense is to bridge eth0 with another  virtual interface that I expose to the container
[15:00] <oerheks> hays, netplan https://netplan.io/examples/#configuring-network-bridges
[15:06] <hays> that example assigns an ip address to the bridge
[15:09] <oerheks> maybe you can be more specific, docker container?
[15:10] <hays> ah, sure its a systemd-nspawn container
[15:17] <hays> right now I have a pair of peer interfaces, veth0,veth1
[15:18] <hays> I've assigned veth1 to the container
[15:19] <leftyfb> hays: why not just use lxd?
[15:20] <hays> im just getting into this and don't really know about lxd. I guess I was trying to keep it simple
[15:20] <leftyfb> lxd is about as simple as it gets. Install it and launch a container. It all just works
[15:20] <leftyfb> though you'll probably want to undo any custom networking you did trying to roll your own
[15:21] <hays> i'll look at it.
[15:21] <hays> right now netplan isn't really working on the ubuntu container
[15:22] <hays> https://0bin.net/paste/J0N1S0Yr#atNeqgR2cFxxJftjhrNZmEf8BeYDWkU5JUM68Usdha2 here is my netplan file
[15:23] <hays> oh sorry, let me use your pastebin
[15:23] <hays> oh it requires a login? hm
[15:24] <leftyfb> hays: if you want to keep it simple, don't try rewriting your own custom container solution and just use one that already has all of this already figured out
[15:25] <ArtfulDodger> Hello! On a 20.04 desktop, some kacpi worker is using 100% of a CPU. I tried to stop service acpi or kill the process as root with SIGKILL but nothing happens (it is not killed). I cannot restart this machine. How can I restart this process only?
[15:25] <leftyfb> hays: remove your custom container networking, then:  sudo snap install lxd && sudo lxd init && lxc launch ubuntu-container
[15:25] <ArtfulDodger> it's kacpi_notify
[15:29] <hays> leftyfb: I will look at it. right now I am trying to understand what i thought would be a basic networking question--maybe its not.  To get LXD working, I would have to get snaps working on the host OS which is Debian. The OS in the container is Ubuntu
[15:30] <leftyfb> hays: ok, then your issue is not with ubuntu at all
[15:31] <hays> The Ubuntu system is not assigning an IP address to the interface
[15:31] <hays> I am using netplan
[15:31] <leftyfb> hays: no, you don't have a proper NAT interface setup on the host
[15:31] <leftyfb> because you're trying to write all of this from scratch yourself
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> ArtfulDodger: can you see if bug #1878919 is your case or not?
[15:32] <hays> leftyfb: I don't think I want NAT. This is a publicly facing container
[15:32] <hays> with its own public IPv6 address
[15:33] <leftyfb> hays: "how to create a container with its own private interface that can access the outside"
[15:33] <leftyfb> ^ that to me sounds like NAT. If you don't want a NAT interface, then you need to setup a bridged interface on your host, which is not Ubuntu
[15:33] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: please run this in a terminal, and post url returned:   (lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version*,cmdline}; dmesg|grep DMI:) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:34] <hays> leftyfb: so this is preventing netplan from assigning an IP to the veth that is assigned to the ubuntu container
[15:35] <leftyfb> hays: use lxd
[15:35] <leftyfb> hays: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/
[15:35] <junebug> I noticed that .cache/tracker is taking up a lot of space. What exactly does this do
[15:36] <hays> leftyfb: you've said that a few times--I do hear you
[15:36] <ArtfulDodger> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/boc1
[15:36] <hays> it sounds like if I don't use LXD, this question is considered off topic for this channel
[15:36] <hays> so I wills top asking
[15:37] <ravage> junebug: tracker is GNOME's desktop search
[15:37] <tomreyn> junebug: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker
[15:37] <ArtfulDodger> lotuspsychje, yeah it looks that but. But I don't know what to do.
[15:37] <ArtfulDodger> that bug*
[15:37] <junebug> ravage, you mean like the gui file search?
[15:37] <ravage> junebug: yes
[15:37] <junebug> ravage, I don't use that. Is there any way to disable that?
[15:38] <leftyfb> junebug: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/07/how-to-completely-disable-tracker.html
[15:38] <junebug> Thanks
[15:38] <ravage> that is the first result of https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+disable+tracker here btw :P
[15:38] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: what's the output of     journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[15:39] <ArtfulDodger> tomreyn, janv. 16 21:47:20 matebook kernel: DMI: HUAWEI MACHR-WX9/MACHR-WX9-PCB, BIOS 1.19 10/28/2019
[15:44] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: see if you can get a bios upgrade for it.
[15:46] <ArtfulDodger> tomreyn, OK. I bet I have no choice to reboot for now? Can I temporarily fix it without rebooting?
[15:47] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: this is not a systemd service but a kernel worker, it's not a userland process you can end / kill.
[15:48] <tomreyn> though the root cause could be in userland
[15:49] <ArtfulDodger> OK thanks, I'm rebooting :'(
[15:49] <leftyfb> ArtfulDodger: echo "disable" > /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe08
[15:49] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: how preproducible is this?
[15:50] <leftyfb> thought it might be a different gpeXX
[15:50] <ArtfulDodger> there are 100 of them :D
[15:50] <ArtfulDodger> the gpexx
[15:51] <leftyfb> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/588018/kworker-thread-kacpid-notify-kacpid-hogging-60-70-of-cpu
[15:52] <ArtfulDodger> Yes, but with 08 it says Invalid argument
[15:53] <leftyfb> ArtfulDodger: maybe you can use that thread and some info from your machine to determine if one of the interrupts is causing the issue and if so, which one
[16:01] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: you can    cat /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe*    and see which one has a high number in the first column
[16:16] <ArtfulDodger> tomreyn, found it thanks! My CPU is now resting :D
[16:31] <ygryk> шалом братья
[16:32] <mannequin> privet
[16:33] <mannequin> ah he left
[16:59] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: it's originally most likely a bios or hardware problem, though, so i still recommend the bios upgrade.
[17:01] <ArtfulDodger> yes I'l do it anyway, cause it is a frequent issue
[17:04] <jhutchins> So what tools do we have to do BIOS upgrades?  Is it still a matter of booting to freedos, or do we have to find a way to get windows up and running?
[17:11] <tomreyn> jhutchins: fwupd would be the 'generic' tool, which integrates with the GUI software updater for some computer models
[17:13] <tomreyn> there are also some bios brand specific tools for linux, such as insyde's. and there are are bios update mechanisms which are OS independant in that they just rely on UEFI. and then there are still some old DOS / Windows only ones.
[17:29] <jhutchins> Ok, I found links for fwupd, any other useful links?
[17:30] <jhutchins> I think we see advice to update the BIOS weekly at least here.
[18:33] <Milencho> hey , anyone can help me with disable some kexkeys in sshd config
[18:33] <Milencho> under # Ciphers and keying in sshd_config i have KexAlgorithms -diffie-hellman-group1-sha1
[18:34] <Milencho> but still i can make a ssh connection to localhost with hellman-group1-sha1
[18:47] <tomreyn> Milencho: what's the exact command / configuration you're using on the ssh client to disable this Kex group?
[18:48] <tomreyn> (that's assuming it's an openssh client, discuss also the version you're using)
[18:54] <tomreyn> you might want to use https://github.com/jtesta/ssh-audit to verify the configuration of your server.
[18:55] <tomreyn> (an earlier version of this is packaged in ubuntu, available via apt)
[19:06] <Milencho> thank tomreyn i've tried with only 1 config and it works, but thanks for the github page it's useful
[19:14] <`ryban> there is an error
[19:14] <`ryban> sudo nautilus
[19:14] <EriC^^> better to do do sudo -h nautilus
[19:14] <`ryban> (org.gnome.Nautilus:8524): WARNING **: 22:10:34.215: Error on getting connection: Failed to load SPARQL backend: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY
[19:15] <EriC^^> sorry sudo -H nautilus
[19:15] <EriC^^> else your home files might get owned by root
[19:15] <`ryban> still the same problem
[19:16] <EriC^^> `ryban: are you running xorg? try ps aux | grep xorg
[19:17] <`ryban> still the same
[19:17] <`ryban> arggggg
[19:18] <EriC^^> `ryban: it was a question, not a solution
[19:18] <`ryban> no, i try another
[19:18] <`ryban> but still the same
[19:18] <EriC^^> does the command return root ..../usr/lib/xorg ?
[19:35] <jhutchins> sudo nautilus is a Very Bad Idea.
[19:54] <Wakko[m]> Hello, i have a question: How can i remove error warnings that appear during booting process?
[19:56] <jhutchins> Wakko[m]: Why would you want to?
[19:56] <jhutchins> Wakko[m]: Correct the errors, the warnings will go away.
 "Wakko: Why would you want to?" <- It does not seem to affect the behavior of the system in daily use.
 "Wakko: Correct the errors, the..." <- The last time I tried, it came out worse.
[20:08] <calligar> Hello all, I'm on Kubuntu Focal and I'm trying to compile the kernel using the procedure shown in the Ubuntu wiki, as I want to test some fixes in a wifi card driver.
[20:08] <calligar> The build stops during packaging, seemingly due to DKMS trying to build XFS (a filesystem I don't need right now).
[20:09] <calligar> If as an alternative I disable the building of XFS in the menuconfig, I get check-config complaining about that and failing the build with an error. I tried passing the "skipmodule=true" argument to the build and menuconfig commands, with no improvement.
[20:10] <calligar> Any hint on what to try next?
[20:14] <jhutchins> Wakko[m]: If you wan to try again, you could do an image backup before you start, then if things go badly just restore the image.
[20:15] <jhutchins> Wakko[m]: There's some stuff that's going to issue warnings unless you dig deep and disable provisions for things you niether have nor want.
[20:15] <jhutchins> Warnings should be read the first time they show up, but can be safely ignored after that.
[20:25] <tomreyn> `ryban: next time someone tells you to "sudo nautilus ..." tell hem they should have told you to "nautilus admin:///"
 "Wakko: There's some stuff that's..." <- I can fix it and make the warnings dissapear, but i'm still having hardware issues. That text only delays my booting process.
[20:30] <Wakko[m]> Wakko[m]: That should be: "Warning text = something is wrong, No warning text = OK".
[20:30] <tomreyn> Wakko[m]: what kind of warnings or errors are you referring to? whihc ubuntu release and kernel?
[20:30] <Wakko[m]> Wakko[m]:  But actually in my installation is "Warning Text = something is wrong, No warning text = something is wrong anyway but idk what is lol"
[20:34] <Wakko[m]> tomreyn: Something about i2s and acpi, it would be something wrong with my pc's hardware
[20:34] <Wakko[m]> Wakko[m]: *i2c
[20:35] <Wakko[m]> Currently i "fix" loading some modules in /etc/modules, but my touchpad (the cause) doesn't work anyway.
[20:36] <tomreyn> thanks for partially answering one of two questions. ;-)
 "Wakko: what kind of warnings..." <- I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS kernel 5.13
[20:36] <Wakko[m]> tomreyn: i was looking for the system info...
[20:36] <tomreyn> generally, warnings would be hidden, so i guess this must be a somewhat serious issue
[20:37] <tomreyn> you arer saying hardware problems, maybe those can actually be firmware ones, and you could fix them with a bios upgrade?
[20:38] <Wakko[m]> tomreyn: My touchpad was working fine until today, maybe an update broke it?
[20:38] <tomreyn> sorry for rushing you there
[20:38] <tomreyn> could be, or could be not. you can see which software updated when in /var/log/apt/terminal.log
[20:40] <tomreyn> apt changelog <somepackage>     will print the changelog for package <somepackage>
[20:45] <Wakko[m]> linux-headers-generic was updated from 5.11 to 5.13. That could be the main cause?
[20:46] <tomreyn> could be, or a contributing factor, or not.
[20:46] <Wakko[m]> Wakko[m]: nothing more in the list looks suspicious except that
[20:47] <Wakko[m]> linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 was updated too
[20:48] <tomreyn> that's the tracking package
[20:49] <tomreyn> which would have caused the new kernel package to be installed
[20:53] <Wakko[m]> my touchpad doesn't even show in xinput :(
[20:54] <Wakko[m]> I will continue to investigate. Meanwhile i'm using an usb mouse
[21:00] <driador> greetings all, quick question.  I am trying to update the default java version on a server from 1.11 to 1.8.  My method thus far has been to install the package openjdk 1.8, then programatically set that via update-java-alternatives (update-java-alternatives -s $(update-java-alternatives -l | grep 1.8 | awk '{print $1})).  However, if I then do something like readlink -f /var/lib/jvm/default-java it still
[21:00] <driador> points to openjdk-11.  What am I missing here to set the default to 1.8.  Note that I need to do this programatically (if that wasn't clear already :)).
[21:02] <driador> sorry, that's meant to be /usr/lib
[21:07] <tomreyn> driador: i don't actually know, but try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure default-jre{,-headless}    # does this bring up a menu?
[21:08] <tomreyn> actually, what you want is probably   sudo update-alternatives --config java
[21:09] <tomreyn> before you do,    sudo update-java-alternatives --list    should list both versions
[21:09] <driador> right, but --config still requires input
[21:09] <tomreyn> yes, but you can pass the target as a parameter
[21:10] <tomreyn> just need to ensure this target exists beforehand
[21:11] <tomreyn> you may want to do the same for javac and maybe certtool (if the latter is also managed via update-alternatives)
[21:15] <driador> hrm
[21:16] <driador> so
[21:16] <driador> if I do something like:  sudo update-alternatives --set java $(sudo update-alternatives --list java | grep 'java-8')
[21:17] <driador> I see that it does update the appropriate selection... IF I look at the output of update-alternatives --config java
[21:17] <driador> but, the link for /usr/lib/jvm still points to java 11
[21:17] <driador> er
[21:18] <driador> /usr/lib/jvm/default-java
[21:21] <tomreyn> driador: congratulations, you found bug 687263
[21:21] <driador> hah, joy.
[21:22] <cerl> I need qt4 for an older program right now, is there a recommended ppa for ubuntu 20.04?
[21:23] <driador> so really maybe the best option at this point is to manually update the link
[21:24] <tomreyn> driador: i guess i would dig a bit into how debian does it, becasue most of these mechanisms are probably borroed from there, and maybe they have a solution of this link as well. or just to get a better understanding of how it's meant to be managed. worst case, i'd just manually update the link to point to what i want it to point to.
[21:24] <driador> nods, that's the way I was used to doing it in aix 5.x
[21:24] <driador> hm
[21:24] <driador> wonder how well sdkman would work in this case
[21:25] <driador> if it would update it for the entire ecosystem or just a user
[21:25] <ravage> cerl: i have no idea if that breaks anything and PPAs are not supported here really: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/07/install-qt4-ubuntu-20-04/
[21:26] <ravage> make sure you have a backup in case that messes up anything
[21:46] <robertparkerx> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18352682/correct-file-permissions-for-wordpress where are these commands to be done? on document root in console?
[21:46] <robertparkerx> find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;\
[21:46] <robertparkerx> find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
[21:46] <robertparkerx> find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;
[21:49] <jhutchins> robertparkerx:
[21:49] <jhutchins> robertparkerx: the "." indicates "starting with this directory".
[21:49] <robertparkerx> ty
[21:50] <jhutchins> robertparkerx: find is inherently recursive, unless told otherwise.
[21:50] <jhutchins> robertparkerx: It's usually a bad idea to run an -exec on find unless you know exactly what it will do.
[21:50] <ash_worksi> the man page for `ag` says --ignore will "Ignore files/directories whose names match this pattern. Literal file and directory names are also allowed." does that suggest that a pattern like foo* would be accepted?
[21:51] <jhutchins> robertparkerx: Even then, you should try it out by chopping off -exec and everything after, doing one find at a time.
[21:51] <jhutchins> robertparkerx: This will give you a list of the files that would be modified.
[21:52] <jhutchins> Your first two lines are identical.
[21:52] <jhutchins> robertparkerx: Do you understand what the -type argument is telling find?
[21:54] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: It doesn't seem like there would be any harm in trying it, all it does is print matching lines, if any.
[21:55] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: well, I am unable to come up with a "pattern" that works and I am just trying to figure out if the context of that manual conveys what I think it does
[21:55] <robertparkerx> jhutchins yes I do understand that part
[21:55] <robertparkerx> ty for explaining .
[21:57] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: I think your problem is probably that the "wild card" characters are handled differently.  Try \*, or try just "foo".
[21:58] <jhutchins> (I think the * is implied, it's like *foo*
[21:59] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: This  may help (or may only confuse things): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression
[22:16] <ash_worksi> I tried an RE :\
[22:16] <ash_worksi> but maybe that only works on like a filename rather than a path; idk
[22:18] <BrokenCog> question:  does anyone with a laptop experience their wifi hardware disconnecting when the lid is closed?  specifically of a setting/config to control this behavior?
[22:19] <Jeremy31> BrokenCog: I think that is desired behavior, suspend is a power save mode
[22:20] <BrokenCog> the OS is not in suspend nor sleep.  only the screen blanks and wifi hardware is turned off/sleep.
[22:20] <BrokenCog> I don't mind the screen blanking, but the wifi sleeping is a real problem.
[22:24] <Jeremy31> Did you change the settings for what happens when the lid is closed?
[22:24] <BrokenCog> no.
[22:26] <BrokenCog> I'm really hoping someone with a laptop can say "that's why mine does" or "mine doesn't do that" ... then I'll have a better idea of whether it's software config issue or hardware, but, I'm pretty sure it's software since Windows boot doesn't sleep/suspend wifi when the lid closes.
[22:26] <BrokenCog> s/why mine/what mine/
[22:28] <Jeremy31> I am not sure if there is a setting that allows wifi to stay active.  I am sure my wifi is powered off when the lid is closed as I no longer see the MAC address listed on my routers connected devices page
[22:29] <BrokenCog> which rather begs the question what people do when downloading something more than a few megabytes.
[22:29] <BrokenCog> you keep the lid open overnight ??
[22:30] <Jeremy31> Are you on dialup?
[22:31] <BrokenCog> is that relevant?
[22:32] <Jeremy31> I can download a few megabytes rather quickly and I use 4G cellular
[22:33] <BrokenCog> okay.  and you never download anythng more than a few megabytes which takes longer?
[22:33] <BrokenCog> (I'm on 4G also ... sometimes I get 50Mbps, sometimes 5)
[22:36] <Jeremy31> I am lucky to get 10Mbps where I am at
[22:39] <Jeremy31> Windows does stay connected with the lid closed, I am not sure why.  You could try changing what happens when the lid is closed to just have it ignored and have other power options to shut the screen off
[22:39] <Jeremy31> https://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/04/28/change-lid-close-action-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[22:39] <BrokenCog> thanks.