[03:39] <mwhudson> znf: the server installer supports having multiple ESPs in focal+
[03:40] <znf> yeah, only focal :P
[03:40] <mwhudson> znf: it's not raid, but its redunancy
[03:40] <znf> this was on 18.04 
[03:40] <mwhudson> ah
[03:40] <znf> kinda weird that nobody thought about it until 20.04 
[04:44] <mybalzitch> I dunno how important it is, but installing the hwe kernel meta package (I thought) doesn't call linux-tools-generic-hwe-20.04 as a required package
[04:46] <amurray> linux-tools is not installed by default with the -generic kernel so this is the same then for the hwe kernel meta package - in either case you need to install the appropriate linux-tools package manually
[04:50] <mybalzitch> yeah it kept trying to install old 5.4 kernel sstuff I was trying to purge
[04:50] <mybalzitch> not sure how essential it is 
[16:59] <mncheckm> where is the focal server guide source? I can't find it in https://launchpad.net/serverguide only bionic and xenial
[17:02] <ogra> mncheckm, how about https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-server-guide/12504 
[17:02] <mncheckm> ogra thanks ,that explains it
[17:02] <ogra> yeah, just remembered that 🙂
[17:03] <mncheckm> ogra so how do I clone this guide now?
[17:03] <ogra> heh, no idea perhaps there is some discourse API ?
[17:04] <ogra> (ask in the discourse thread !)
[17:05] <mncheckm> ogra I found that an administrator can do it https://meta.discourse.org/t/topic-and-category-export-import/38930 but I just want to do it as an user
[17:06] <mncheckm> ogra, thanks
[17:07] <mncheckm> I wonder how the pdf was made 
[17:07] <mncheckm> I wanted the source because the pdf is a bit messy
[17:08] <ogra> well, better ask in discourse then ...
[17:08] <ogra> (directly on the above thread i'd say)
[17:09] <mncheckm> ogra, oh I was trying to find a thread called "discourse"
[17:09] <mncheckm> ogra, ok!
[17:10] <ogra> IIRC that is one of the reasons to use discourse, so people can directly comment 
[17:12] <mncheckm> ogra, ok
[18:38] <JanC> there are specific documentation tools that allow commenting while keeping the source in source control...
[18:39] <ogra> JanC, tell the people that decided all ubuntu docs need to go to discourse 😛
[19:41] <sarnold> the number of times I've wished the wiki were a big pile of markdowns in git.. *sigh*
[19:51] <JanC> there are wikis like that...
[19:58] <smoser> rbasak: i think this is "ignore the warning", but kind of annoying
[19:58] <smoser> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2XK4znrwzN/plain/
[19:59] <smoser> at least for *me*, 'git ubuntu clone existing-package' ends in:
[19:59] <smoser> fatal: could not read Username for 'https://git.launchpad.net': terminal prompts disabled
[20:00] <smoser> it does exit 0, but... not a warm fuzzy. i suspect it is because i have not cloned that package to lp git.
[20:18] <rbasak> smoser: yeah it's annoying. https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer/+bug/1761821 is the bug
[20:35] <smoser> what is the preferred way to get an upstream tarball after you've got source with git-ubuntu ?
[20:35] <smoser> rbasak:? if you're still around
[20:36] <smoser> i have some scripts (https://github.com/canonical/uss-tableflip/blob/main/scripts/get-orig-tarball) but it seems like there is a need until pristine-source branches
[20:58] <sergiodj> smoser: git ubuntu export-orig should do it
[20:59] <sergiodj> this is what I use locally when building packages
[20:59] <smoser> hmm... i didn't know of that.
[21:03] <rbasak> We do have pristine-tar branches but they don't always work. export-orig will use them if possible, or fall back to fetching from LP. IIRC.
[21:14] <smoser> perfect. gracias
[23:43] <Soni> how do you receive email?
[23:51] <Soni> are there any MTAs that don't suck
[23:53] <sarnold> postfix is the usual choice
[23:53] <tomreyn> is this a question you're asking because you don't know or because you have an opinion and want to spread this? in the latter case, please don't do it here.