[00:00] <oerheks> The report states you're using KDE which was supported by the Kubuntu team but is now EOL
[00:00] <Kangarooo> i want to test if apport notifications are comming up in usual ubuntu. how to make something crash? maybe apport will come? i want that apport not coming but a side baloon apport pop up notiftiocation comes. i noticed that some bug 1958046 in kubuntu that when chromium cant start because of bug 1958047
[00:01] <oerheks> so 1958046 is invalid and answered.
[00:02] <oerheks> and if you cannot click the button alt + tab /space works?
[00:03] <Kangarooo> oerheks what are you talking about? Whats difference what i installed kubuntu or xubuntu or lubuntu? I use them all since theres that bug in ubuntu having unity. ubuntu has 5 years and more years paid support. can report and fix them. package is used in ubuntu. i got it from kubuntu not related to kubuntu. also package isnt kubuntu but ubuntu. who
[00:03] <Kangarooo> invented this weird comment about kubuntu beeing eol? package will be forverver and needs fix in any version and current 18.04 ubuntu isnt eol. offtopic
[00:03] <oerheks> ubuntu has 5 years, yes, but KDE not
[00:03] <oerheks> 3 years
[00:03] <Kangarooo> well bug isnt about kd
[00:05] <oerheks> i understand you need i386.
[00:05] <sarnold> Kangarooo: to force apport to do something, try starting a new shell and running kill -SIGBUS $$
[00:05] <oerheks> anyway, for that chromium snap, you would get those updates, the rest not, right?
[00:05] <oerheks> alt + tab /space works?
[00:06] <Kangarooo> bug is reported now needs a fix. even in million years. but in 2222.04.5 still this wont be triaged because its reported from machine with kde installed witch has nothing to do with bug in ubuntu?
[00:06] <oerheks> ..
[00:08] <sarnold> or you could reproduce the problem on a newer machine
[00:09] <oerheks> i386 is dying, sorry to bring this shocking news..
[00:09] <Kangarooo> sarnold thnx i had simple question- how to make apport crash to test in latest versions? but out of nowhere apport aperantly now is kde package of 18.04 and not 20.04 or 22.04 or 2222.04.666. oerheks this is main package list not some kdelist. package is ubuntu package so its unusable for new people.
[00:09] <sarnold> Kangarooo: try the kill command I gav eyou
[00:10] <Kangarooo> oerheks have a lot of problems with chromium . not opening. cant install. 32 bit kubuntu 18.04.5 updated to 18.04.6 is last option
[00:11] <Kangarooo> oerheks well im installing every frend comp wid it hos computer is old too if no else option
[00:11] <sarnold> oh wow, i missed that this was 32 bit. there's no great news there.
[00:12] <oerheks> one gets no updates, so that machine should not be connected to the internet.
[00:18] <Kangarooo> this is terrible that some still say this eol thing after 10 years hearing this to not fix this or that for 10 years and now here we are- covid and other thigs are EOL system not fixing therefore even if using vaccine system. all others EOL? Actually Well its not vaccine related bug. Its firewall related in every year every body system using
[00:18] <Kangarooo> sapiens dna system any gender distro. men just get more bugs from covid. ive heard it million times and no one knows why they say EOL. now i learned that thouse were never EOL when mentioned, since in main ubuntu list. bug is for ubuntu package not EOL package. all management makes viruses them let viruses ang bugs happen and not stop EOL
[00:18] <Kangarooo> notification false news spread.
[00:18] <Kangarooo> i just want to report and get fix bug, not debate about should it be discarded as bug since turns out false EOL notice
[00:19] <sarnold> Kangarooo: I haven't got a clue what you're talking about at this point
[00:19] <sarnold> Kangarooo: but if you want to join the kubuntu team and help them provide a five year support for their flavour, go right ahead
[00:20] <Kangarooo> sarnold bug is not in kde package
[00:26] <Kangarooo> virus ir another virus (bad presidents thinking, oh we wont die like china) letting in virus to get a bug- letting in doesnt make it go away. then saying fake vaccine will help is wrong. its not vaccine bug. its firewall bug- it was destroyed by virus presidents letting covid botnet in.
[00:26] <tomreyn> Kangarooo: please stay on topic, ubuntu support for the releases listed in topic.
[00:28] <Kangarooo> tomreyn topic is that my bug isnt kde related so its not EOL. its missinformation fake news. Distros packages are EOL but what is really package about is about dna of human.. i mean.. working together- ubuntu. so that is not eol. apport is not eol. its in main in ubuntu list.
[00:32] <nicoz-> lool
[01:08] <Kangarooo> kill -SIGBUS $$ did no any forcing apport crash notification. how to make apport to force to come to make fake crash (not like fake news that apport is kde eol package, while its acctually ubuntu main sources list package so 1,5 more years toatl 5 years) bug 1958046 . currently i have in old saving lifes machine 32-bit kubuntu chromium-browser
[01:08] <Kangarooo> installing then opening crasing and on 3rd time not comming notifications of report made. cant find package that could crash on 21.10 64 bit to see this notification not comming up after 3rd time. in 18.04.5 32 bit apport notification comes up. whats the use of crash file if user doesnt know about it? what is missing to enable is something later is
[01:08] <Kangarooo> changed and disabled to let people know about bad virus bugs?
[01:16] <webchat0> ubuntu 20.04.3 failed to load kernel module
[01:16] <webchat0> then it go to a grey screen for a min or two the n loads
[01:17] <webchat0> this hapened after some kernal update?
[01:17] <webchat0> how to fix
[01:17] <webchat0> google is worthless
[01:21] <webchat0> ubuntu 20.04.3 failed to load kernel module  -then it go to a grey screen for a min or two then loads
[01:22] <webchat0> how to fix ?
[01:22] <webchat0> google is not any use
[01:22] <webchat0> is any one here
[01:22] <Bashing-om> webchat0: What results if you boot an older kernel from grub's boot menu ?
[01:22] <webchat0> i dont know what that meens
[01:23] <webchat0> wheres aboot menu
[01:24] <webchat0> boot menue where?
[01:24] <webchat0> ubuntu 20.04.3 failed to load kernel module  -then it go to a grey screen for a min or two then loads
[01:25] <Bashing-om> webchat0: Efi system: as soon as the firmware splash screen clears, spam the escape key. Legacy system then is the shift key grub looks for.
[01:25] <webchat0> i hold shift key during boot ? nothing hapens
[01:26] <Bashing-om> webchat0: efi system is escape key - and only a 3 second window of oportunity.
[01:26] <webchat0> this pc is from 2011
[01:26] <webchat0> i dont think efi is an option
[01:27] <matsaman> lucky you
[01:27] <webchat0> i hold down the shift key during reboot nothing haoppens
[01:27] <matsaman> I think tapping it would probably be more effective
[01:27] <webchat0> have tryed that
[01:27] <matsaman> what're you trying to do in general?
[01:28] <webchat0> am i to hold or tap both shift keys ? or one of them
[01:28] <matsaman> one, probably left
[01:28] <webchat0> ubuntu 20.04.3 failed to load kernel module  -then it go to a grey screen for a min or two then loads
[01:28] <webchat0> i start pc that happens
[01:28] <matsaman> so it loads, but you don't want this delay and gray screen?
[01:28] <webchat0> about three to two min later i get grey screen for amin or so then it slowly boot to desktop
[01:29] <matsaman> and it didn't used to do that?
[01:29] <webchat0> it did not do other stuff before the failed toload stuff kernal
[01:30] <webchat0> before when i start pc it would start i get some text so fast i cant read then blank for afew sec then blam desk top now its aqll slow to boot and the fail to load kernal
[01:30] <matsaman> before what? Before when?
[01:31] <webchat0> im sorry
[01:31] <webchat0> im disabled
[01:31] <webchat0> learning disabled and autism
[01:31] <webchat0> i dont understand you
[01:31] <matsaman> don't be sorry you're doing fine, text is an uncommon way to communicate this type of situation
[01:32] <webchat0> at least it boots lol
[01:32] <matsaman> did you update the system recently or something? And then this started happening?
[01:32] <webchat0> the amd socket fm2 is not working with linux so i put linux on this pc and it works but then some kernal update and now its all wonkey
[01:34] <webchat0> is it ok im useing a hdd or should i get a ssd
[01:35] <webchat0> you tried and i thank you
[01:35] <webchat0> thank you nice human
[01:35] <webchat0> as i sadi it works if i wait and wait for boot lol
[01:42] <Bashing-om> webchat23: What rerurns from terminal command [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in EFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode" ? We see here if this is legacy system or efi .
[02:15] <laureee> hi does someone know what the "--" parameter for kill command does?
[02:15] <laureee> e.g. "kill -- 43543"
[02:17] <krytarik> It usually means 'end of options'
[02:17] <laureee> thank you
[04:34] <SpiceMan> I'm trying to configure the Japanese keyboard, but switching layouts is not working properly in 20.04.
[04:34] <SpiceMan> I had the same problem like a month before in another install and somehow I fixed it, but never understood HOW
[04:35] <SpiceMan> switching between english and japanese with super-space seems to work, but the keyboard layout is not changed. (it's like setxkbmap was not executed)
[04:36] <SpiceMan> also, checking the keyboard layout when the language is set to Japanese it shows "?" as the keyboard layout name: https://imgur.com/a/UTwQynH
[04:36] <SpiceMan> when it got somehow fixed last time, it properly showed "Japanese"
[04:36] <SpiceMan> ideas?
[04:39] <SpiceMan> it's a fresh install, by the way. it's broken.
[04:48] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan:
[04:48] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan:
[04:49] <SpiceMan> Bashing-om: yes?
[04:49] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: Might try ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ' ?
[04:50] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: Sorry - elbow Bumping the wall - messing with my typing ^ :D
[04:52] <SpiceMan> let me check
[04:53] <SpiceMan> Bashing-om:  there's no japanese keyboard listed in the options in the first screen
[04:54] <SpiceMan> I specifically picked Japanese (109 keys) in the install process
[04:54] <SpiceMan> *installation
[04:54] <SpiceMan> where do I get it from? XD
[04:57] <SpiceMan> it runs update-initramfs o.O. why? what for? lol
[05:00] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: Lemme see what I can find for what languages are installed .
[05:11] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: consider: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale/ .
[05:13] <SpiceMan> yes, locales are correct
[05:13] <SpiceMan> I think it's a gnome/ibus issue
[05:15] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: My notes show " Ctrl + Space turns ibus on ; Alt+Shift switches input languages ' -- any joy ?
[05:19] <SpiceMan> those do nothing
[05:19] <SpiceMan> it's super+space to swtich languages in 20.04
[05:20] <SpiceMan> setting it to alt-shift, like in Windows, breaks other gnome shortcuts (eg: alt-shift-tab to switch apps back)
[05:23] <SpiceMan> uhm. dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration changes the "kernel keymap" whatever that is, that's why it ran update-initramfs
[05:23] <SpiceMan> now I wonder what I had before I ran the reconfigure
[05:28] <SpiceMan> need to logout, brb
[05:32] <SpiceMan> fixed it.
[05:33] <SpiceMan> fwiw, it's a 109-key japanese keyboard, and the ibus-mozc system configuration uses "default" as keyboard layout
[05:33] <SpiceMan> so I edited /usr/share/ibus/component/mozc.xml and changed <layout>default</layout>  to <layout>jp</layout> and it works now
[05:34] <SpiceMan> I can't believe no one EVER spotted this
[05:34] <SpiceMan> well, someone did:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JapaneseInput
[05:34] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: Outstanding - you do good work :D
[05:36] <SpiceMan> this is broken, if you ask me.
[05:36] <SpiceMan> why let me choose Japanese (109-key) keyboard in the installation, just to have it set as an english one
[05:36] <Bashing-om> SpiceMan: Worth making a bug report to get it resolved ?
[05:38] <SpiceMan> that page stating "how to setup Japanese input on an English Ubuntu installation." makes me think that they do consider that, so if you also choose Japanese as the system language, it maybe sets it properly
[05:38] <SpiceMan> hence, no japanese user has issues and couldn't find any info in japanese either
[05:38] <SpiceMan> the system language shouldn't matter, the selected keyboard does
[05:41] <SpiceMan> I need to create a launchpad account, zzzz
[06:11] <neti> i have a ufw rule (two actually,one is as stated the second includes "(v6)". Here is the rule "To 22/tcp-Action ALLOW IN-From Anywhere"
[06:11] <neti> is this a dangerous rule
[06:11] <neti> eg is my port wide open
[06:11] <neti> for anyone to connect to
[06:38] <SpiceMan> next problem: I have logitech g453 wireless headset (dual lightspeed/bluetooth). It is detected and shown as an option in Sounds for both Output and Input but
[06:38] <SpiceMan> 1) there's no output on the headset, nor the mic works when using it through lightspeed
[06:38] <SpiceMan> 2) there's output but mic still doesn't when using it through bluetooth
[06:38] <SpiceMan> pointers?
[06:38] <SpiceMan> ideas?
[07:04] <Denislav> server irc.all4y.net
[07:30] <osa1> What is a good app in 21.10 repos that can open .zip, .tar.gz etc. files in a GUI and show me the contents?
[07:51] <yukiup> p7zip?
[08:15] <osa1> It doesn't seem to be a GUI?
[08:16] <ducasse> osa1: try fileroller
[08:18] <kimm> Does anyone control flash through SPI?
[08:28] <osa1> ducasse: perfect, thanks
[08:34] <pingpongball60> I'm trying voidlinux,  gentoo .
[08:34] <pingpongball60> I use arch btw.
[08:39] <pingpongball60> DarkTrick  I use Arch btw.
[08:41] <luckiswithme> Windows 11, the best Operating System ever created in the history of mankind
[08:41] <skr> luckiswithme, u alright bro?
[08:42] <luckiswithme> yes. what channel am I in ?
[08:42] <luckiswithme> oops wrong channel
[08:48] <alocer> hey guys, does any know where can find if ubuntu is compatible with nvidia rtx 4000 ?
[08:51] <kimm> Has anyone ever used ft232 chip?
[08:51] <alocer> linux-hardware says from kernel 2.6 its compatible. hmm.
[08:58] <Mogkos32> hey, how can i want environment variables like PATH to be read by gdm on login, where should i put that? (.bashrc is ignored)
[08:59] <ducasse> Mogkos32: try /etc/environment
[09:00] <Mogkos32> ducasse i want only for the user, not system wide
[09:00] <Mogkos32> i find online two places .profile and .pam_environment
[09:49] <weedmic> how do i turn this command off "sudo netogs -t ppp0 &> nethogs.log &"?  (other than exiting the terminal, or searching for a PID and doing kill - something graceful)
[10:00] <coprographia> weedmic: what's wrong with just ctrl + c ?
[10:01] <coprographia> that is how you are meant to stop it I think
[10:04] <coprographia> Just use `fg` to make it a foreground process again, and then you can stop it in interactive mode I think
[10:12] <tomreyn> that should work. also the pid should have been printed on screen / to the log when it was backgrounded
[10:12] <tomreyn> or use killall
[10:29] <weedmic> coprographia:  that would be fine if it were not in a terminal and had a user to do it.  i am in an ssh terminal and want to write a script to stop a process, send the log in an e-mail, erase the log, restart the process in crontab.  for now i am capturing the PID when I start the process and using kill PID to stop it.
[10:33] <mtu> i bought a Dell laptop with an OEM Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and i'm amazed by the hardware support. i'd like to upgrade to at least 20.04 LTS, but dell doesn't seem to have official information on how to do that (and keep OEM hardware and maintenance support). any experiences here?
[11:05] <DrNostril> hi guys
[11:05] <DrNostril> every couple hours my computer randomly drops off my wifi... but it's only with this one modem
[11:06] <DrNostril> i connected my own tplink router and it still happens, but it never happened with this router before
[11:06] <DrNostril> i know it's just the combo of this one crappy modem and my ubuntu laptop
[11:06] <Jeremy31> Is TKIP encryption used on the wifi router?
[11:06] <DrNostril> so.... not the fault of my OS per se, but I'm in a rental in the countryside and I cannot change the modem
[11:06] <DrNostril> I'm not sure
[11:07] <DrNostril> i think its wpa2? like everybody else?
[11:07] <Jeremy31> WPA2 can use CCMP/TKIP or both
[11:07] <DrNostril> no the modem is newish, probably from 2020
[11:07] <Jeremy31> CCMP is also known as AES
[11:08] <DrNostril> thanks for your interest jeremy
[11:08] <DrNostril> *Jeremy31
[11:08] <DrNostril> so you're suggesting i get in there and change to CCMP?
[11:08] <Jeremy31> WPA2 AES only(CCMP)
[11:09] <Jeremy31> Chili555 has some good recommendations at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354328&p=13614520&#post13614520
[11:14] <doctorNostril> no this doesn't make sense
[11:29] <SaladTime> Alright, just did a system update and it's completely killed my laptops built-in display - just random flickering digital noise
[11:29] <SaladTime> 1.) wtf, why is this even a thing that can happen
[11:29] <SaladTime> 2.) This isn't the screen - windows boots fine
[11:30] <SaladTime> 3.) Not sure how it's the GPU drivers as an externally driven screen works fine
[11:30] <Jeremy31> amdgpu with 5.13 kernel?
[11:30] <SaladTime> Nope
[11:30] <SaladTime> NVidia
[11:30] <SaladTime> Just reinstalled the driver but didn't help
[11:30] <SaladTime> 5.13 kernel though
[11:31] <SaladTime> Oh hang on a second, it'd be an AMD integrated GPU
[11:31] <SaladTime> So, yes
[11:31] <SaladTime> Is this a known issue?
[11:31] <Jeremy31> Using 5.11 before?
[11:31] <SaladTime> Not entirely sure but I suspect so
[11:32] <ogra> you should be able to go back to the former kernel to verify it is the kernel update
[11:32] <ogra> just intercept the boot at the bootloader so you can select the kernel from its menu
[11:33] <SaladTime> I can likely do this, have done before - but once I do that, what's my next step?
[11:33] <SaladTime> Just sit at 5.11?
[11:33] <SaladTime> Isn't this a fairly major issue for Ubuntu?
[11:33] <ogra> nah, just verify that it is really a 5.13 issue before moving forward with anything
[11:34] <Scrappy> can someone help this newbee with getting an usb lcd to work? (lcdproc/lcd4linux)
[11:34] <SaladTime> Alright, should be back shortly
[11:35] <Scrappy> ubuntu Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS/5.13.0-27-generic
[11:39] <SaladTime> Okay so: trying to boot 5.11 just takes me to two black screens, no idea what happened there. 5.11 recovery boot worked and my laptop screen functions fine, but the second monitor is now black and non functional
[11:39] <SaladTime> So, a slight improvement
[11:39] <SaladTime> Call me old fashioned but in 2022 I don't think pressing update should carry the risk of destroying your OS lmao
[11:40] <ogra> definitely some driver issue then ...
[11:40] <ogra> is that 20.04 with the HWE kernel ?
[11:41] <SaladTime> Description:    Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[11:41] <SaladTime> Not sure how to check HWE
[11:41] <ogra> well, if you run 5.13 and 5.11, they are both hwe kernels ...
[11:42] <SaladTime> Aye so what does that mean practically
[11:42] <ogra> i think there is some linux-modules-nvidia-* package that comes along, is that installed ?
[11:42] <ogra> dpkg -l | grep linux-modules-nvidia
[11:43] <SaladTime> Nothing
[11:44] <ogra> and just "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" ?
[11:44] <ogra> (what driver version is installed)
[11:44] <ogra> (i.e. my nvidia box has "nvidia-driver-470" ...)
[11:45] <SaladTime> grep nvidia returns a bunch of stuff
[11:45] <SaladTime> What are you looking to check specifically>
[11:46] <SaladTime> There seems to be a bunch of leftover nvidia stuff but the current driver is 460
[11:46] <ogra> the version (see what i wrote in brackets above)
[11:46] <ogra> ah
[11:46] <SaladTime> as far as I know
[11:46] <SaladTime> There's a bunch of -470, -490 stuff there too
[11:46] <ogra> hmm
[11:46] <SaladTime> ii  nvidia-kernel-common-460                      460.91.03-0ubuntu0.20.04.1            amd64        Shared files used with the kernel module
[11:46] <SaladTime> rc  nvidia-kernel-common-470                      470.86-0ubuntu0.20.04.2               amd64        Shared files used with the kernel module
[11:46] <SaladTime> rc  nvidia-kernel-common-495                      495.46-0ubuntu0.20.04.1               amd64        Shared files used with the kernel module
[11:46] <ogra> that smells fishy
[11:46] <SaladTime> ii  nvidia-kernel-source-460
[11:46] <SaladTime> e.g
[11:47] <SaladTime> Possibly updates never got cleaned up after themselves
[11:47] <ogra> ah, rc means it was removed (and left some config files behind)
[11:47] <SaladTime> ah right
[11:47] <SaladTime> Is there a way to clean out nvidia driver stuff and install 470 clean?
[11:47] <SaladTime> I'd prefer to do this without also nuking cuda
[11:48] <ogra> cuda ? wheer did you get it from ?
[11:49] <SaladTime> Can't remember honestly, but it's not something that'd cause this
[11:49] <ogra> (i dont think there are recent CUDA libs in the archive)
[11:49] <SaladTime> Probably the official nvidia cuda site
[11:49] <ogra> yeah, not sure, but if your driver gets updated and you have libs that wont work with that particular driver version it might cause issues
[11:49] <SaladTime> It could definitely break cuda yeah
[11:49] <ogra> if the packaging system does not know about this ...
[11:49] <SaladTime> But shouldn't break general display stuff
[11:50] <ogra> how do you knwo ?
[11:50] <SaladTime> Because you can run your GPU without cuda just fine
[11:50] <SaladTime> So - clean install of nvidia drivers
[11:51] <ogra> anyway ... i'd start with going back to 5.13, use the "additional drivers" panel in "software sources" and let it do its automated thing first ... see if it perhaps can fix itself
[11:51] <SaladTime> I think 5.13 on ryzen is screwed
[11:51] <ogra> yeah, that might be
[11:51] <SaladTime> From what I've seen online
[11:52] <SaladTime> For now anyway
[11:54] <SaladTime> Actually, what drives the AMD iGPU?
[11:58] <SaladTime> Okay, 5.11 with nvidia-driver-470 seems to work fine as it did before
[12:11] <porton> Gnome hangs periodically on my Hirsute. Should I use LTS because of this?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> porton: ubuntu 21.04 is end of life, move to a supported ubuntu release
[12:13] <porton> lotuspsychje: "end of life", what do you mean?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> !eol | porton
[12:14] <weedmic> I did screen -S logint, exited with ctral+a then d(for detach).  I laster return to the terminal and do screen -ls and get this "1029.logint     (01/20/22 12:01:09)     (Attached)", but when I do "screen -r 1029" or "screen -r logint", it reports "There is no screen to be resumed matching logint" - did something change since I last used it?
[12:15] <porton> Is it possible to downgrade ubuntu without re-installation?
[12:15] <porton> lotuspsychje: It is not EOL yet
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> porton: downgrading is not how ubuntu works, upgrade to next instead
[12:16] <porton> Weird, the automatic upgrader didn't say me about Impish Indri
[12:16] <weedmic> concur w porton
[12:16] <weedmic> fyi, i found if i have only one screen open, then screen -r is enough
[12:16] <porton> I should have run `update-manager -c` two times, oy-yay
[12:17] <porton> Anyway, are LTS more stable? Do I have Gnome hanging due to using non-LTS?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> porton: we cant generalize statements like that gnome would freeze on non-lts versions only
[12:19] <porton> lotuspsychje: approximately generalize, please
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> porton: strongly reccomended is you install a supported version, then if you notice a problem, share your details with the volunteers
[12:23] <porton> Is it ZFS what slows down my new $1000 laptop?
[12:26] <porton> ZFS snapshots are momental, yes? I have a 1TB SSD and much less data. How often to set cron to do snapshots (for backups)?
[12:26] <porton> Filesystem                Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:26] <porton> rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_qa6vun  647G  4.1G  643G   1% /
[12:29] <porton> rpool                                              272G   642G       96K  /
[12:33] <zamba> i have an issue where the sftp-server service on a server consumes a lot of resources when i upload files to the server
[12:34] <zamba> is there a way, server-side, that i can try to limit the resources required for this?
[12:34] <porton> zamba: ZFS deduplication on?
[12:34] <porton> if yes, turn off
[12:34] <zamba> porton: no zfs here.. just ext4
[12:35] <porton> zamba: BTW, you use ext4 why? Is it faster than ZFS>
[12:35] <porton> ?
[12:37] <zamba> porton: well.. i don't know.. just the default, i guess
[12:37] <porton> Is ZFS stable now?
[12:38] <porton> (in 20.04 installer it was labeled EXPERIMENTAL)
[12:39] <tomreyn> it works fine for many, but i think th einstaller still refers to it as experimental in later releases, too.
[12:44] <zamba> but is there a way to debug this? how much resources should this really take?
[12:45] <zamba> i'm using SSDs.. and the server has 128GB RAM and 32 vCPUs @ 2.3 GHz
[12:45] <tomreyn> debug what exactly?
[12:46] <zamba> tomreyn: why it's consuming that much resources
[12:46] <tomreyn> oh your sftp-server?
[12:46] <zamba> yes
[12:47] <tomreyn> hmm, i guess you can run sshd in the foreground
[12:47] <zamba> the problem is that i have a nfs server running on top of the same storage and that is heavily loaded.. so i'm getting terrible performance across the nfs share whenever i'm writing to the same data store over sftp
[12:47] <tomreyn> "-D      When this option is specified, sshd will not detach and does not become a daemon.  This allows easy monitoring of sshd."
[12:47] <tomreyn> from the sshd man page
[12:47] <porton> zamba: You can try strace, but it gives MUCH output
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all.
[13:01] <zamba> hiyas you
[15:09] <cdriscoll> not sure if someone is able to sanity check a preseed file for automating partition config with the 20.04.3 desktop installer: https://pastebin.com/MNFeuP0H .  i end up getting an error that says no efi system partition is found, and the disk indeed ends up not being able to boot after install.
[16:17] <tomreyn> cdriscoll: preseed is legacy, won't be supported much longer
[16:18] <tomreyn> the current approach is autoinstall with the current ubuntu server versions (and probably desktop sooner or later, too)
[16:48] <Dan92129> Q:   When will 20.04 LTS get the  5.15.15  kernel
[16:49] <Maik> Dan92129: somewhere after 22.04 LTS is released
[16:50] <Maik> 20.04 recently got 5.13
[16:55] <cdriscoll> @tomreyn - i noticed that with the server installer, but the desktop installer seems to still use preseed files?
[16:57] <tomreyn> cdriscoll: yes. might change for 22.04, not sure. but you could probably also use the server installer for a desktop installation.
[16:59] <tomreyn> the new flutter based installer will be using curtin for partitioning, just like subiquity (server installer) does. that's more a topic for #ubuntu-next though
[17:01] <leftyfb> bah, I played with curtin a bit when I was working with MAAS at Canonical. I do not remember it being very user friendly
[17:03] <cdriscoll> fair, but i'm still curious if i have something incorrect with that partition recipe for uefi-based systems
[17:10] <tomreyn> cdriscoll: See "## Partitioning for EFI" at https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs04.html#preseed-partman-example
[17:11] <tomreyn> i don't know that old ubiquity will be able to interpret this, though.
[17:39] <Enissay> Using ubuntu 20.04 on dual monitor, Is there a way to have the desk panel on both screens ?
[17:39] <sandy> hello world
[17:41] <Maik> Enissay: probably not.... maybe there's a extension for it?
[19:21] <anddam> howdy, I am trying to get a core dump from an application that is segfaulting. I set ulimit -c to unlimited and made sure apport service is running
[19:21] <anddam> I can `sleep 10 & killall -SIGSEGV sleep` and get a crash in /var/crash, yet if run my (custom made) application I get none
[19:21] <anddam> in /var/log/apport.log for this non-captured program I see
[19:21] <anddam> ERROR: apport (pid 3316) Thu Jan 20 20:19:01 2022: called for pid 3301, signal 11, core limit 0, dump mode 1
[19:22] <anddam> ERROR: apport (pid 3316) Thu Jan 20 20:19:01 2022: executable was modified after program start, ignoring
[19:25] <anddam> any hint about how should I go in order to capture the core?
[19:30] <Guest7> I often setup single purpose servers... like a $10 Pi to run my VPN, and I'll have a separate $10 Pi to run a print server. Is there any reason not to just login as root? It's saves a minute during setup. And similarly, is there any reason to not have all files in the home directory? Like, why bother with any more of a file structure when there is
[19:30] <Guest7> such a simple setup? Everything I read seems to suggest against these practices, but the literature seems written with more traditional setups in mind, where you want to isolate users and different processes on the machine.
[19:32] <leftyfb> Guest7: this is a #security question. But I can tell you, logging in as root, especially on something publicly accessible is a TERRIBLE idea. You shouldn't even have a password set/disable login for root
[19:36] <Guest7> But if I need to be root sometimes, the difference is just that I have to use two passwords to get in?
[19:37] <Guest7> And what do you think about the filesystem organization part of my question?
[19:45] <jhutchins> Guest9014: The safety of root logins depends on which superstition you subscribe to.
[19:45] <jhutchins> Damn.
[19:45] <CodeMouse92> Guest8100: You do know you can 'sudo su' to access a root shell, yes>
[19:45] <CodeMouse92> *?
[19:46] <leftyfb> they left
[19:46] <CodeMouse92> Oops, sorry to the other guests, LOL
[19:47] <jhutchins> CodeMouse92: sudo su is generally not recommended, sudo -i or similar is preferred.
[19:47] <CodeMouse92> jhutchins: Interesting. Reason?
[19:48] <jhutchins> CodeMouse92: I'm not entirely clear on it myself, but it has to do with the layers of shells that are ivoked and the resources consumed.
[19:48]  * CodeMouse92 never did like trying to remember how to 'su' into another user other than root anyway
[19:48] <CodeMouse92> I mean, I'll switch, but as a rule I don't subscribe to rules that don't have explanations attached. That's how we got "change your password every month"
[19:48] <jhutchins> CodeMouse92: Occasionally sudo gets lost in the identities, paths, and permissions (especially if used in scripts).
[19:49] <CodeMouse92> jhutchins: Ah, valid
[19:49] <jhutchins> CodeMouse92: When I have to administer a multi-user system, I do find su - <user> very useful.  I've never used the system in a way that makes su without - useful.
[19:50] <CodeMouse92> jhutchins: But, to be fair, sudo -i <user> works too, so...
[19:50] <CodeMouse92> Hah, did we just switch positions?
[19:51] <jhutchins> I got the su -i recommendation from a guy who writes most of the documentation for bash.  I got the feeling he's explained it too many times to be willing to do so again.
[19:52] <CodeMouse92> I'm happy to switch purely on the basis that 'sudo -i' invokes one less executable than 'sudo su' ;)
[19:53] <octav1a> $ cat | more
[19:53] <jhutchins> On the other hand, when I'm doing remote administration, I almost always use a root shell rather than individual sudo-authorised commands.
[19:54] <leftyfb> octav1a: that isn't going to work
[19:54] <octav1a> $ cat | less ?
[19:55] <leftyfb> octav1a: do you need help with something?
[19:56] <jhutchins> octav1a: While both will display the contents of a file in a pager, [less|more] is the cool way to do it.
[19:56] <jhutchins> [less|more] file
[19:56] <octav1a> leftyfb: no ; jhutchins: Thanks ^.^
[19:56] <leftyfb> jhutchins: CodeMouse92: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/98534
[19:58] <CodeMouse92> Thanks leftyfb, that explains it for me.
[20:09] <ogra> CodeMouse92, su has a build-time hardcoded environment, sudo su can/will give you a differenz env compared o sudo -i or sudo -s ...
[20:15] <ogra> (there are other issues with su, but that one is really significant)
[20:30] <aknot> is it possible to change the Window colors from the Appearance section of the settings for just one window?  so to be more specific i have an application which does not handle the Dark theme very well so I'd like to run just that application with the Standard color theme rather than change the theme for the entire system
[20:33] <sarnold> aknot: "maybe" -- some applications will read their colours from X resources, and you can usually specify different colours for different applications that way. but some newer applications don't get their colour information via X resources, and I dunno what you do there
[20:39] <oerheks> what application exactly?
[20:40] <aknot> oerheks, netlogo
[20:40] <aknot> sarnold, is there a doc i can read up on this a bit?
[20:41] <oerheks> not an ubuntu program, is it?
[20:42] <oerheks> see if there is any setting that overrides color scheme and such?
[20:43] <aknot> oerheks, it is not an ubuntu application.  https://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/download.shtml is the download link
[20:43] <oerheks> yes, spotted that.
[20:44] <aknot> oerheks, i really don't see a way to change the application colors from within netlogo
[20:45] <sarnold> aknot: the xrdb, appres, listres manpages; maybe the application manpage will mention X11 resources that it uses..
[20:45] <ioria> aknot, you can set another theme in the cmdline: e.g. :  'GTK_THEME=Adwaita netlogo'
[20:46] <aknot> ioria, i'll give that a try
[20:47] <aknot> sarnold, thanks, i look over those
[21:55] <benjiiiii> hi all, i found a bug in the ubuntu 20.04 INSTALLER. where can i find the sourcecode to have a look at?
[21:56] <sarnold> it's scattered around a few places; if you've got the deb-src lines configured in your apt sources, you can apt source ubiquity   to grab the main thing
[21:58] <benjiiiii> ok thx, so ubiquity is the correct package. thx
[22:01] <sarnold> probably; I'm not sure if it's using curtin to do tasks yet or not, I know the server installer subiquity uses curtin extensively, and I know they planned on merging things together..
[22:05] <webchat96> maybe a stupid question, im on 21.10 and to "foot" package is avaiable on Jammy
[22:05] <webchat96> is there any way i can use it? https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/foot
[22:06] <webchat96> like "unstable/testing" ?
[22:10] <sarnold> webchat96: it's also available on impish https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foot
[22:15] <webchat96> sarnold yeah but only  1.6.4-1
[22:16] <webchat96> and there are some functions etc i want to use in the latest version
[22:17] <sarnold> ahh
[22:18] <sarnold> webchat96: you could look to see if anyone has a PPA with it rebuilt for the older release; you could look for a snap package; you could also use the backportpackage tool from the ubuntu-dev-tools package to try a simple rebuild of the package in a launchpad ppa
[22:19] <webchat96> i've tested snap
[22:19] <webchat96> kinda confused always sticked to debian usually
[22:23] <webchat96> sarnold maybe i could just build it from src ?
[22:23] <webchat96> but how to maintain then?
[22:24] <ravage> all 3 solutions sarnold offered should be maintainable
[22:25] <sarnold> webchat96: it depends on what it looks like to maintain it .. if new versions are released into jammy, you could use backportpackage to rebuild those as they are made available
[22:25] <sarnold> webchat96: if no new versions are released into jammy, you could maintain the version in your ppa by either adding patches to it or updating to new versions as they are released, as you wish
[22:33] <webchat96> doesnt seem to be any backports damn
[22:36] <sarnold> then time to make one yourself :)
[22:37] <oerheks> !info foot
[22:37] <oerheks> sure you have not tried sudo apt install foot
[22:38] <oerheks> n
[22:38] <oerheks> oh wait, never mind
[22:38] <webchat96> what?
[22:39] <webchat96> sarnold X)
[22:39] <sarnold> :)
[22:39] <oerheks> no snap nor flatpak either..
[22:39] <webchat96> i know :<
[22:40] <webchat96> just small things bugging me like options in the foot.ini
[22:40] <webchat96> that arent avaiable
[22:40] <oerheks> be brave and publish a snap :-D
[22:50] <ogra> learning snap packaging with a classic snap is indeed really brave (they are way harder to package than confined ones)
[22:50] <sarnold> aw :(
[22:51] <jhutchins> Better yet, build an actual .deb
[22:51] <ogra> (making sure the two envronments do not leak into each other is really advanced)
[22:55] <sarnold> ogra: oh, that makes some sense
[22:59] <rzwitserloot> I've got an ooooold ubuntu, v14.04.6 LTS. My plan is to replace it with something new around august. I'd like to know if the old stuff that runs on it is still within reason 'safe'. The only 3 open ports are 80/443 (going to ubuntu's apache2 install) and 22 for ubuntu's standard SSH. The versions of those are respectively Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu), and
[22:59] <rzwitserloot> OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.13, OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014.
[23:00] <oerheks> rzwitserloot, so? best is reinstall with 20.04 lts.
[23:00] <sarnold> rzwitserloot: if you've enrolled it in ESM, then you'll be getting updates for a selection of packages..
[23:01] <sarnold> rzwitserloot: probably whatever applications you're running on that apache are going to be the bigger issue
[23:01] <rzwitserloot> No doubt. I'm just trying to figure out if I need to do that right this second or if the currently scheduled replacement (which is august, or earlier, 2022) is acceptable. I'm not enrolled in ESM. I know u14 is well out of date at this point. I'm really asking: How do I find a list of known compromised versions of a2 and ossh.
[23:01] <rzwitserloot> The apache is hosting static files, which are well maintained.
[23:02] <oerheks> first read about systemd. big change since that ancient ubuntu
[23:02] <sarnold> august is a looong way away; it'd be worth enrolling it in ESM if you've got no choice
[23:02] <oerheks> 'well maintained'.. that is a joke, right?
[23:02] <rzwitserloot> I'm handing over all ops responsibilities. I'm just wondering if I can 'hold out' until then.
[23:03] <oerheks> good luck!
[23:03] <rzwitserloot> oerheks: It's just static files; these files are provided by engaged parties who are aware of all the relevant aspects of web security. I have no particular reason to doubt that part of the setup. It's just the part where it runs on these versions of apache and openssh.
[23:04] <sarnold> rzwitserloot: hopefully helpful https://ubuntu.com/security/cve?q=&package=apache2&priority=&version=trusty&status=
[23:04] <rzwitserloot> Surely there's a list of 'these versions are known-compromised' out there, for apache2 and openssh, right?
[23:04] <leftyfb> rzwitserloot: that's 8 years of CVE's. Good luck with that
[23:04] <rzwitserloot> ooh, that's useful. thanks, sarnold!
[23:04] <leftyfb> 3 years since it was EOL
[23:04] <oerheks> well .. maintained :-D
[23:07] <rzwitserloot> oerheks: I'm not sure why you think this is funny.
[23:07] <rzwitserloot> I'm just trying to indicate that unlike the server, a whole team is actively developing that part of the setup.
[23:07] <rzwitserloot> If there's some jargon that would be more appropriate, I'm all ears, do enlighten me.
[23:09] <ravage> if the only provided services are SSH and http(s), i would think replacing it with 20.04 is not really that complicated?
[23:09] <ravage> sound like a job for an afternoon
[23:10] <ravage> not even SSH i see
[23:11] <sarnold> apache changed the authz and authn stuff since then
[23:11] <sarnold> depending upon what's involved that might be annoying
[23:12] <leftyfb> "static file" to me sounds like nothing involving php
[23:12] <leftyfb> so setup a vhost and copy files back o documentroot
[23:12] <ravage> thats what i think too. but of course i dont know the exact setup a whole team has to maintain to run apache :)
[23:13] <rzwitserloot> leftyfb PHP is not installed. Nobody (potentially) malicious has login access to this server, let alone write access to anything it hosts, and no dynamic content is available at all. Somebody with access rights `scp`'s a tarbz2 in there and then sshs in to run a script that just unpacks it in a dir served by apache2. That's all that ever happens.
[23:14] <rzwitserloot> I've gone through every 'medium' or higher CVE listed for trusty tahr for specifically a2 and openssh and none of them warrant worrying about this before august. I'll take responsibility for letting it go until then. Thanks, sarnold - exactly what I needed.
[23:14] <leftyfb> good luck
[23:22] <Guest13> Hello Guys. In one scenario I need to install/reinstall a fresh windows image on my client workstation remotely. Consequently what would be an engineering solution for me? If I do not have PXE hardware on my workstation clients. Please bare in mind that I need to reinstall this image every 2 hour because of restriction.
[23:23] <Guest13> Is there any free tools in ubuntu that can help me?
[23:23] <ravage> i dont think there is a windows installer for Ubuntu. No.
[23:23] <oerheks> No.
[23:24] <ravage> if you just need to apply a .wim file there are tools for that
[23:25] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/otherosfs/wimtools
[23:26] <sarnold> Guest13: maas claims it can do windows https://maas.io/
[23:27] <ravage> he said no PXE
[23:31] <leftyfb> Guest13: this isn't an ubuntu support question
[23:32] <Guest13> One solution is to make my systems dual boot. everytime, my ubuntu uses dd command to resintall a fresh image on the secondry partition. then force hardware to boot.
[23:32] <Guest13> But in this way, maintenance and upgrading the images would not be easy.
[23:32] <leftyfb> also, reinstall a fresh Windows image every 2 hours ... what is the point? Windows takes half that time just to finish booting up and loading malware ;)
[23:33] <Guest13> I mean how a ubunutu can controll some workstation operating systems
[23:34] <Guest13> Something like reinstalling fresh image.
[23:34] <leftyfb> Guest13: no. This is not an ubuntu support question. Good luck
[23:35] <Guest13> What do you mean by malware? I need to set this machine for a coffe net.
[23:35] <leftyfb> Guest13: please do not PM
[23:36] <Deepspeed> I need some help with ubuntu packaging.
[23:36] <leftyfb> Deepspeed: try #ubuntu-devel
[23:36] <Deepspeed> mmk
[23:36] <Deepspeed> I tried #ubuntu-packaging and it's dead.
[23:37] <Guest13> leftyfb, Pardon me.
[23:37] <Guest13> leftyfb, which channel is proper for my question then?
[23:37] <leftyfb> !alis | Guest13
[23:38] <Guest13> I am a close friend of alias bot
[23:39] <leftyfb> Guest13: good luck
[23:40] <Guest13> I do not know which channel is proper.
[23:40] <Guest13> my question is not related to windows and linux though
[23:41] <leftyfb> Guest13: your question is not an ubuntu support question. You're asking for software recommendations for a goal that doesn't make a whole lot of sense and who's whole purpose is to run Windows
[23:41] <leftyfb> Guest13: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:43] <Deepspeed> ok, all these other rooms are dead.  If anyone can help me with some package maintenance issues, please pm me.  I just need a push in the right direction without having to study the entire (broken) packaging guide again.
[23:44] <Guest13> ask your question here
[23:44] <jhutchins> Deepspeed: Since there doesn't seem to be a package guru handy, why not spend your time studying the packaging docs.
[23:45] <Deepspeed> because the packaging docs suck
[23:45] <Deepspeed> I've worked through them before years ago and it was great.  Now the first example fails to build because the docs are broken.
[23:45] <Deepspeed> I haven't been able to make it through to something which actually works in the docs.
[23:46] <Deepspeed> and I followed the guide from a fresh install, so it wasn't my system.  The docs just don't work.
[23:54] <leftyfb> Deepspeed: have you thought about maybe snap instead?
[23:55] <Deepspeed> This is not a personal project.  It's for a challenge in package maintenance I was given.
[23:55] <Deepspeed> but I would consider it at this point if it was a personal thing.
[23:56] <leftyfb> a challenge?
[23:56] <leftyfb> for a class project?
[23:56] <Deepspeed> for a job