[00:04] <peto> @tomreyn my goal in host only one website with php and mysql (also with subdomains, and maybe wordpress) and send and receive mails, and i have set up nextcloud, thhat works
[00:04] <tomreyn> on the same server?
[00:05] <peto> yes, one server for web and mail
[00:06] <tomreyn> i don't expect those systems to work very well next to one another. ispconfig expects to manage all the daemons exclusively. and i assume nextcloud will also expect that for some (not sure there), so they may be incompatible.
[00:07] <tomreyn> that's unless maybe you can setup nextcloud on shared webhosting and set it up like an ispconfig 'customer account'
[00:08] <peto> so you think ispconfig is not for me? and i should manage my server with ssh in terminal?
[00:10] <tomreyn> apparently nextcloud can be installed on shared webhosting. i'm not entirely cnovinced that shared webhosting (as setup with ispconfig) is the ideal setup to match your needs. it could work, though.
[00:10] <tomreyn> it's not a good entry level task, however, more the opposite.
[00:12] <Annibas> hi guys
[00:16] <peto> @tomreyn I'll probably uninstall it and I`ll not invent
[00:17] <tomreyn> peto: don't let me discourage you. also, you may find it difficult to 'uninstall'.
[00:20] <peto> @tomreyn i have to think about it, but i dont know why the admin site works only on server, unavailable on local ip
[00:23] <tomreyn> peto: do you access it by ip address in a web browser?
[00:23] <tomreyn> or by hostname?
[00:23] <peto> by ip
[00:23] <tomreyn> and what happens when you do?
[00:24] <peto> timeout
[00:24] <tomreyn> how did you configure the firewall on the ubuntu server?
[00:25] <tomreyn> which ubuntu server version are you running?
[00:25] <peto> yes, in ufw port 8080 tcp is open
[00:26] <peto> i habe ubuntu 20.04
[00:26] <tomreyn> does the other computer also run ubuntu?
[00:26] <peto> yes
[00:27] <tomreyn> on the computer you want to use to access ispconfig (as hosted on the ubuntu server), what do you enter in the web browser to access ispconfig?
[00:29] <peto> http(s)://<local ip>:8080/
[00:29] <tomreyn> this won't work, it will have to start with one of http:// or https://
[00:30] <tomreyn> (depending on what you configured during setup of ispconfig)
[00:30] <peto> I thought so that i use http or https
[00:30] <peto> not together http(s)://
[00:31] <tomreyn> so which one did you test and got the timeout?
[00:32] <peto> both, http and https
[00:32] <tomreyn> show the output of    sudo iptables -L     on the ubuntu server running ispconfig
[00:33] <tomreyn> if it has internet access, you can use    sudo iptables -L | nc termbin.com 9999     to post the output to termbin.com, a pastebin-like site.
[00:35] <peto> here is the output https://termbin.com/1n7a
[00:36] <catbeard> i see nobody is talking about the latest CVE re: fs_context.c
[00:36] <catbeard> and userns stuff, what's the word on kernel level mitigation vs e.g. sysctl toggle effectiveness
[00:37] <ravage> catbeard: https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-0185
[00:37] <catbeard> ah it's cap'd
[00:38] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/5.4.0-96.109
[00:38] <catbeard> ok so is that something that's maybe going to change in the defaults, or would that break too much stuff
[00:38] <oerheks> fixed for stable in focal, iirc
[00:39] <catbeard> can't imagine my lusers needing CAP_SYS_ADMIN :)
[00:39] <tomreyn> peto: port 8080 is not listed there. and i assume the default inbound policy is to drop?
[00:39] <catbeard> they should have no privileges, they are _prisoners_ lol
[00:41] <catbeard> i had considered just using the authorized_keys options and key auth only, to allow port forwarding but not interactive access, but allowing git-shell at the same time, wondering if something like that would break with that sysctl
[00:41] <peto> @tomreyni dont know why the port is not there, with ufw status i can see the port, and inbound policy, I dont know :/
[00:43] <catbeard> peto: on the server with 8080 listening, any traffic appearing with `tcpdump -vv -nn -A dst port 8080`
[00:43] <tomreyn> peto: did you apply the ufw configuration?
[00:43] <catbeard> also ^
[00:44] <tomreyn> (tcpdump would only list traffic when you trigger any by trying to access from the web browser of the other computer again)
[00:45] <catbeard> exactly
[00:45] <catbeard> if it sees the traffic it means there's nothing wrong with the client pc or the network
[00:45] <catbeard> although that's not specific to IP address, just port
[00:46] <catbeard> afaik, tcpdump supercedes iptables so even if it got blocked by iptables/ufw it should still see the packet
[00:46] <catbeard> it should also have packet counters
[00:46] <catbeard> well rule counters maybe
[00:47] <catbeard> if your policy is enabled and you're not seeing that rule's packet counters go up, it maybe getting blocked earlier in another chain or subtable or something
[00:48] <peto> yes, i see traffic there
[00:49] <catbeard> ok so it's being received and processed by your policy then
[00:49] <catbeard> is the daemon running?
[00:50] <peto> @tomreyn under ufw status i see the port 8080
[00:50] <tomreyn> peto: you said so before
[00:50] <peto> @catbeard i think so
[00:51] <peto> @tomreyn yes, sorry :)
[00:51] <tomreyn> no worries ;)
[01:03] <catbeard> peto: lsof -i -Pnl | grep 8080
[01:03] <catbeard> just to make sure it's listening on either 0.0.0.0 or your lan ip
[01:19] <wakkarto> hi
[01:20] <tomreyn> hi wakkarto, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[03:33] <rdr> konversation?  NO THANKS WE'RE A GTK HOUSEHOLD
[03:34] <rdr> ooops thought this was discuss
[03:36] <jhutchins> rdr: No, this is Dead Air, anything else is off topic.
[03:37] <rdr> ;)
[06:45] <circuitbone> what is the current solution for `nautilus show folder file sizes` ubby 20
[06:50] <peto> @catbeard hi, there is no output for lsof -i -Pnl | grep 8080
[07:11] <circuitbone> solved it with Baobab
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[10:08] <fub> I'm trying to remove the 5.15 kernel because its not working here (running vmware on a m1 which is a bit buggy). I removed it via `apt purge`, but after running update-grub2, the 5.15 kernel is still added (and on the first position, so I need to press F2 and select the 5.14)
[10:08] <fub> How do I completly remove it or move it down a position?
[10:08] <EriC^> fub: type "ls -l /boot | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:08] <EriC^> paste the link it gives you here
[10:09] <fub> EriC^: https://termbin.com/uksc
[10:10] <EriC^> fub: type "dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:11] <fub> EriC^: https://termbin.com/bjimm
[10:11] <EriC^> fub: type 'sudo apt-get purge linux-image-unsigned-5.15.0-17-generic'
[10:12] <fub> EriC^: when I try this, apt wants to remove the not-unsigned one again: `Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
[10:12] <fub>   linux-image-5.15.0-17-generic`
[10:12] <fub> *wants to install
[10:13] <EriC^> i guess cause the default 'linux-image-generic' package is 5.15
[10:13] <EriC^> you could modify grub to select the other kernel by default though
[10:14] <EriC^> fub: type 'cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[10:15] <fub> EriC^: https://termbin.com/t9el
[10:16] <fub> I'll use grub-customizer to change the default entry
[10:16] <EriC^> ok
[10:18] <fub> EriC^: this worked, thanks!
[10:18] <EriC^> fub: no problem
[10:18] <fub> So just out of curiosity, why wasnt I able to remove the 5.15?
[10:19] <EriC^> the linux-image-generic package is installed, it's a meta-package that's used to point to the latest kernel, so you'd have to remove it, which is a bad idea
[10:20] <fub> okay
[10:31] <Aarch64debian> !info fcitx
[10:51] <daft> Hi, I filed a bug about sub.sub domain ip resolve not working but nothing happens to it
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> daft: whats the bug ID please?
[10:52] <daft> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1947455
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> daft: your bug has a standard 'ubuntu' package targetted, and it needs a more specific package picked for the developers to continue debugging your issue
[10:54] <daft> what package does IP routing
[10:55] <daft> ping? nslookup?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> daft: maybe network-manager would be a better choice in your networking issue
[10:57] <daft> to late i added bind to it.
[10:57] <daft> Retarded system that you need to pick a package or else nothing happens to it.
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> daft: filing bugs are reccomended to file from terminal with ubuntu-bug packagename
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> daft: you probably filed it manual, against the ubuntu (distribution) package
[10:59] <daft> What package does the dns resolving
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> daft: as just stated, i think a better package would be network-manager in your case
[11:04] <daft> lotuspsychje, network manager is a gnome app. i use kbuntu
[11:06] <weedmic> I have fixed it, but was wondering why (or perhaps what is the difference)...  When I ran a command I found it ran some times, and other times it did not.  The difference was when I was "root" having done su, it worked.  But, if i were a sudo use running sudo, it did not.  What is the difference between running a command as root v a sudo user doing sudo command?
[11:09] <daft> weedmic, it should not differ
[11:13] <weedmic> that's what I thought, but it does - also, in nethogs, it states that you must remember to kill it, but... if you do sudo then any other command in that terminal, it kills it before doing the command.  I am new to sudo - maybe a few years,  I used to switch to root and then back, but i like to keep the logs clear.
[11:13] <weedmic> but if you are actually root, it won't kill it even if you do other commands until you do kill %1
[11:14] <weedmic> i wasted a few hours, but I was just wondering why?
[11:14] <weedmic> I mean root is not necessarily even created now on ubuntu (although I always create one)
[12:40] <webchat77> I would like to setup a hibernation on Ubuntu 20.04. I tried: "systemctl hibernate" but it poweroff without hibernation (e.g. I have some programs opened when executing command, but when I boot again programs disappear). But in my case it works properly "sudo hibernate", it saves my current opened windows when I boot again. I have also added
[12:40] <webchat77> "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY hibernate" to keyboard shortcut, which is working, but asking for a sudo password every time. How to make hibernate keyboard shortcut to not ask for sudo password, but instead automatically hibernate (just like suspend keyboard shortcut does)?
[12:46] <Jeremy31> webchat77: probably have to edit the sudoers file
[12:47] <webchat77> Jeremy31, ahhhhh I forgot about that. I will investigate the sudoer file then. Thanks a lot.
[13:16] <Sunrise> Hi
[13:17] <Sunrise> I have a problem on my windows 10 computer, but all I have is a Ubuntu 18.04 DVD. I need to find out whether the file structure was damaged by a power failure. Can you help?
[13:22] <Jeremy31> Sunrise: A Windows support channel would be appropriate
[13:26] <Sunrise> Jeremy my Windows guy didn't know how to use Ubuntu to do what I need. Um are you sure I should ask more Windows guys?
[13:28] <Sunrise> Specifically I'm here using the Ubuntu 18.04 DVD, on that computer.
[13:33] <MrCollinsGA> in 20.04 where are bash script logs filed?
[13:34] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: what logs?
[13:35] <MrCollinsGA> ducasse, more specifically, melt which is an application invoked by script. Something happens during a script and I am trying to drill down the error during render
[13:35] <tomreyn> Sunrise: you can use the fsck command to check the unmounted file system
[13:35] <tomreyn> use -f to force checking
[13:36] <tomreyn> Sunrise: note that not all file systems will be fully supported. for example, fixing ntfs file systems is only partially possible.
[13:36] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: output from 'script' is saved in a file called typescript in your current dir
[13:36] <MrCollinsGA> ducasse, thank you!
[13:37] <Sunrise> tomreyn: you've always been wonderful
[13:37] <MrCollinsGA> ducasse, thank you but I am not seeing that. maybe its in $PATH?
[13:38] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, is always very nice and helpful. ducasse has helped me before as well. great ppl.
[13:38] <tomreyn> you two are welcome. :)
[13:38] <Sunrise> indeed :)
[13:38] <MrCollinsGA> :)
[13:38] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: nope, they might be saved as a specific filename passed as an option to script, though
[13:39] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: is 'melt' from the repos?
[13:39] <tomreyn> MrCollinsGA: you can redirect output from a script to a file. usually, appending this will redirect both normal script output and warning/error messages, too:   > /tmp/script.log 2>&1
[13:39] <MrCollinsGA> ducasse, yes, I am not seeing this. I wrote the script. I guess I have to tell the script to 'log' the error?
[13:39] <ducasse> tomreyn: i think he means /usr/bin/script
[13:39] <MrCollinsGA> ducasse, I will have to check that out.
[13:40] <ducasse> or maybe not
[13:40] <tomreyn> MrCollinsGA: are you referring to /usr/bin/script ?
[13:40] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, if I cant find that I will just use your method
[13:40] <tomreyn> or just any bash script you wrote or downloaded
[13:41] <tomreyn> (or other shell script)
[13:41] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, I wrote a bash script, and there is not error message but it doesnt 'do' what I thought it would
[13:41] <tomreyn> ducasse: i guess not /usr/bin/script then
[13:42] <ducasse> mea culpa, i misread :-)
[13:42] <MrCollinsGA> so I need to tell said script to log. like your example
[13:42] <tomreyn> i wasn't sure either
[13:42] <MrCollinsGA> I apologize I wasnt clear.
[13:42] <tomreyn> MrCollinsGA: when you write a shell script (like with any other software) it's up to you to decide what will get logged and where.
[13:43] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, fair enough. Learned something new, I assumed there would be some kind of 'log' made somewhere. Got it. thank you tomreyn and ducasse
[13:43] <tomreyn> you can use the 'logger' command to log something to syslog / the systemd journal
[13:44] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, I will research that now TYVM
[13:44] <tomreyn> that would be within the script. or make the script output messages to stadout or stderr (for warnings, errors) and then, while running the script, redirect those outputs to a 'log' file.
[13:44] <ducasse> MrCollinsGA: if you put 'set -x' near the top of your script, it will print commands and arguments as they are executed
[13:44] <tomreyn> general bash help is also available in #bash
[13:45] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, right! will do I just thought it was a 'ubuntu' log.
[13:45] <MrCollinsGA> ducasse, im going to put that in my script now and am looking into logger as well.
[13:45] <MrCollinsGA> ty again
[13:49] <Sunrise> tomreyn Is this what I'm supposed to get? ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo fsck -f fsck from util-linux 2.34
[13:50] <tomreyn> MrCollinsGA: nice, good luck.
[13:51] <MrCollinsGA> tomreyn, ty
[13:51] <tomreyn> Sunrise: you should specify the target, whatever contains the file system to check, probably a partition?
[13:51] <MrCollinsGA> Sunrise, did your windows machine crash? did you try to dual boot ubuntu and windows?
[13:52] <Sunrise> tomreyn: most likely. I have no idea. It's Windows 10 on an HP.
[13:52] <tomreyn> Sunrise: lsblk -o +LABEL    may help you see what is what
[13:53] <MrCollinsGA> Sunrise, are you trying to repair a partition?
[13:54] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA: The UPS exhausted itself, and didn't wake me up, allowing the two computers to lose power without being shut down.
[13:55] <MrCollinsGA> Sunrise, so when you booted it up: what error did you get?
[13:55] <Sunrise> The computer passed the HP disk and memory checks, but I don't have a windows DVD to go further.
[13:56] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA: "Non-System disk or disk error."
[13:57] <MrCollinsGA> Did you try going into the BIOS and reset defaults?
[13:58] <MrCollinsGA> F-2, F-10. F12 sometimes DEL will get you in there, reset defaults, press F10, save and exit
[13:58] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA: i don't know how to do that. F1 or F-2 got me to the tests.
[14:00] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA do I need to shut down and restart then?
[14:00] <MrCollinsGA> Sunrise, this is outside ubuntu help at the moment but let me try to give you some tips here. Turn the PC off. in fact, unplug it, count to 10, plug back in, restart and tap f-2 f-10 f12 over and over until you get into the BIOS settings.
[14:00] <MrCollinsGA> where there is a menu that has lots of settings changes.
[14:01] <MrCollinsGA> all you need to do then is reset defaults. this may get you back booting windows
[14:01] <MrCollinsGA> then after reset defaults, make sure to save those changes by pressing F-10 then hit Y or Yes
[14:01] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA: ok
[14:01] <MrCollinsGA> sometimes reset defaults is F-6
[14:02] <MrCollinsGA> ONCE you are in the BIOS settings menu
[14:06] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA: is that it?
[14:06] <MrCollinsGA> Sunrise, what do you mean?
[14:06] <MrCollinsGA> just reset BIOS/CMOS settings to default.
[14:07] <MrCollinsGA> make sure you SAVE changes. F-10 should give you that option, but you must reset to default first in the BIOS menu.
[14:07] <Sunrise> MrCollinsGA: i just wondered if that was all of the instructions. I'll shut it down, unplug it and try the function keys and delete. .. then what you said and be sure to save it.
[14:08] <MrCollinsGA> yes go for it
[14:08] <Sunrise> back in a bit :)
[14:09] <ducasse> Sunrise: wait
[14:09] <ducasse> which machine do you have?
[14:09] <MrCollinsGA> he must be booting into ubuntu....
[14:15] <Sunrise> Sunrise is trying to find an irc client on a samsung galaxy tablet
[14:16] <Sunrise> ducasse: it's an hp desktop
[14:17] <ducasse> Sunrise: the manual should tell you what key to press, but it sounds like a filesystem error to me
[14:17] <Sunrise> ducasse: probably.
[14:19] <ducasse> personally i'd try fsck first, as it will tell you if it's already clean
[14:19] <Sunrise> ducasse guide me what to do?
[14:19] <starla45> hello guys
[14:20] <ducasse> Sunrise: use 'lsblk' to list your filesystems
[14:21] <Sunrise> ducasse ok
[14:21] <ducasse> i assume it's ubuntu you have trouble booting?
[14:22] <starla45> i have written a little one line command that plays music using aplay and echo does anyone want to try it? i would like to know if there are improvements i can make
[14:22] <Sunrise> ducasse it's Windows 10 but my husband had an Ubuntu live CD
[14:23] <ducasse> repairing a windows filesystem from ubuntu is a sketchy proposition, imo
[14:23] <Maik> Sunrise: if you have trouble booting windows then you're in the wrong place imho
[14:23] <bugweiser> sunrize, basically your bootfiles for windows are ffed. Having a windows 10 usb repair bootstick might help, but there are costs/risks, for one you might loose your hp mbr thus your recovery stops working (the one that holds your re-install).
[14:23] <Sunrise> Maik windows guys don't know from Ubuntu stuff.
[14:23] <bugweiser> alternatively, if you DO have a recovery partition and original hp mbr, then you prolly can repair from that partition (instead of the usb stick).
[14:24] <ducasse> Sunrise: you shouldn't be using ubuntu to do this
[14:24] <bugweiser> Otherwise you need a nerd investigating exactly what is the issue, or do a full re-install.
[14:24] <Maik> Sunrise: you don't use Ubuntu
[14:27] <MrCollinsGA> Sunrise, try my suggestions, if not you will need someone local to help you.
[14:27] <bugweiser> I find it interesting that 2 hp machines simultaniously exibit this problem afer a power-failure.. One would start to think about diskencryption (or ata-lock) itself..
[14:28] <ducasse> Sunrise: you *could* try ntfsfix, but at your own risk
[14:29] <bugweiser> someone should instruct sunrise how to mount the ntfs drives from the live ubuntu, such that they can check if the filesystems themselves are still accessable..
[14:30] <bugweiser> that should weed-out the disk-encryption, and further isolate the problem down to really just the win10 bootfiles.
[14:31] <bugweiser> AND, if the filesystems are accessable, I strongly reccomend to take that chance to save what you need BEFORE trying to fix the drive.
[14:32] <ducasse> this is not an ubunt uissue
[14:33] <bugweiser> backup your main mbr FIRST (for the chance you have an official recovery/reinstall partition) otherwise you loose the boot-program that lets you hit the magic key to activate and start your recovery partition. Just grab the first megabyte of the drive raw with dd, figure it out later if needed.
[15:31] <sylvain31> Hi, I got installed xubuntu 20.04 on a new laptop asus x705QA, I got some difficulty to make shutdown working. My research  brings me to UEFI or ACPI but I've no clue of what is wrong actually. Nor I did found a kernel parameter that seems solve it. Do you have some hint?
[15:38] <EriC^^> sylvain31: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:50] <siruse> Hi
[15:51] <leftyfb> !root | siruse
[15:51] <leftyfb> bah
[15:51] <leftyfb> !rootirc | siruse
[15:57] <sylvain31> EriC^^:  yes I was reading some similar documentation, thanks. I'm gonna try.
[15:57] <EriC^^> sylvain31: no problem
[16:01] <Pristine> Hi, hi!  I'm trying to do a do-release-upgrade, but it says "Please install all available updates...", but if I try to install updates, it says it can't fetch /ubuntu-advantage-tools_27.1~20.10.1_amd64.deb ...  How do I get/install this file, or how do I get around it?
[16:02] <krytarik> !eolupgrade
[16:05] <halim> hi
[16:12] <Pristine> krytarik: Thanks!  That got me around that... but...  As the page says, the upgrade is unsupported? so it referred me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades to download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/groovy.tar.gz - but that is a 404 not found error.  :(
[16:13] <Maik> Pristine: make it less painfull and do a clean install of 21.10, way quicker
[16:14] <Pristine> Maik: Can't do that, unfortunately. :(
[16:14] <Maik> why not
[16:14] <Pristine> Would take 3 weeks  for everyone to restore their work on a fresh install
[16:15] <Maik> yeah, sure
[16:15] <Pristine> That's how long it took before...
[16:16] <Maik> who's everyone by the way
[16:16] <Pristine> Coworkers.
[16:17] <Pristine> So you're telling me, that there is no upgrade tool?  :(
[16:17] <Maik> don't tell me it's for a office/company because those usually stick with LTS releases like 20.04 and not short term supported releases like 20.10, 21.04 and 21.10
[16:18] <Pristine> I don't make the decisions on which ones, I just deal with the fallout.  :(
[16:18] <Maik> Pristine: you should have upgraded earlier before 20.10 went EOL imho
[16:19] <Pristine> I'm aware of that.
[16:19] <Maik> you need to EOL upgrade from 20.10 to 21.04 and then go to the latest supported release 21.10
[16:20] <Maik> the EOL Upgrades docu should show you how
[16:20] <Pristine> This page doesn't seem to have that path...   The link is 404.
[16:21] <Maik> maybe someone else knows
[16:26] <krytarik> Pristine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list - did you follow this step to begin with?  Usually it's all that's needed.
[16:27] <webchat23> Which would you all recommend for a workstation - LTS or 22.04 LTS? Stability & compatibility are a must
[16:27] <webchat23> 20.04 or 22.04*
[16:27] <leftyfb> webchat23: 22.04 isn't released yet
[16:27] <webchat23> Oh that clarifies things ha
[16:27] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | webchat23
[16:28] <webchat23> Sorry dates are confusing :D
[16:29] <junebug> I really like Ubuntu but I don't like the fact that they are run by canonical. Is there any way to get the ubuntu experience without the canonical overhead?
[16:29] <leftyfb> junebug: lets not
[16:29] <junebug> leftyfb, ?
[16:30] <leftyfb> junebug: this channel is a support channel for official releases of Ubuntu. Feel free to take offtopic discussions to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:30] <junebug> leftyfb, sorry. I'm looking for an offical Ubuntu release
[16:31] <leftyfb> junebug: ubuntu.com/download
[16:31] <junebug> Didn't know it was a sin to ask for a canonical-free version
[16:31] <junebug> That's funny
[16:32] <Maik> junebug: if you want to discuss the matter with people please join #ubuntu-discuss
[16:34] <Pristine> krytarik: I did follow that, the sources.list got me past one problem, but then it said Can not upgrade, an upgrade from groovy to .. well, the EOL page said this could happen and to download the specific updater from https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[16:34] <jhutchins> junebug: Ubuntu without Canonical would not be Ubuntu.  It might still be Linux though, and there are lots of other distributions.
[16:35] <jhutchins> junebug: Some even have helpful, friendly irc channels.
[16:35] <Pristine> krytarik: So I checked, and it says I need http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/groovy.tar.gz but that file is not found 404.
[16:35] <junebug> jhutchins, thanks
[16:35] <jhutchins> !distrowatch
[16:36] <jhutchins> Distrowatch does provide a good listing of available distributions and their relative popularity.
[16:46] <krytarik> Pristine: "You need to download the upgrade tool for the version you are upgrading to."
[16:49] <Pristine> krytarik: Blah.  Sorry for misreading..  Thanks.
[17:16] <sylvain31> EriC^^: so after some testing: acpi_osi=! acpi_osi='Windows 2015' or acpi_osi=! acpi_osi='Windows 2020'  it mention tsc=unstable and still crash with, tpm_crb: probe of MSFT0101:00 failed with error -16
[17:17] <EriC^^> maybe its to do with tpm stuff? just a guess
[17:31] <sylvain31> EriC^^: obviously it is, TPM Trusted Platform Module but it now crash at each boot. Secure boot was disabled, I'm trying to re-enable it... with out the clear acpi_osi=! it boot, the poweroff still doesn't work.
[17:32] <leftyfb> sylvain31: SB is not worth the trouble
[17:36] <sylvain31> leftyfb: Secure Boot is disabling for the wifi driver in my case. May I need to sign it. TPM is not related to Secure Boot, you mean?
[17:36] <leftyfb> sylvain31: keep SB disabled. SB and TPM have nothing to do with eachother
[17:36] <leftyfb> TPM is only useful if you're using encryption that can utilize it
[17:37] <leftyfb> like encrypting a hard drive that cannot be read if removed from the motherboard. This also makes replacing the motherboard lose all the data on the drive
[17:38] <leftyfb> sylvain31: unless you have a specific need for TPM, don't worry about it. You don't need SecureBoot. If you're functioning fine without them, then leave the off
[17:42] <sylvain31> leftyfb: ok. I see. I now understand the TPM role. Thanks.
[17:48] <sylvain31> [poweroff not wokring] going back to secure boot disabled, and acpi_osi="Windows 2015", I took (came from  /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT) but without acpi_osi=! (is stops on complaining tsc unstable), it boots, but still not shutdown.
[17:50] <sylvain31> are acpi string read from /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT the only string version that can be send while communicating with the BIOS, or, could other string also be applied? I mean the laptop was sold with  with windows 10 home, it never booted on it though.
[17:50] <sylvain31> May I should test all acpi_osi strings, from Windows 2015 to Windows 2020?
[18:05] <Jeremy31> sylvain31: Have you tried to shutdown from terminal> shutdown -H
[18:11] <morganu> Gedit doesnt have clickable links. Is there another word processor that is a bit better for notetaking that you can recomment. (please not a behemouth like openoffice!!)
[18:11] <morganu> behemoth
[18:11] <morganu> plwase use my nick in answering
[18:12] <sylvain31> Jeremy31: yes, shutdown proceed, then black screen, and no real poweroff.
[18:13] <Jeremy31> sylvain31: press ESC when the Ubuntu splash screen appears when you shutdown from terminal, see if there is some error
[18:14] <sylvain31> Jeremy31: Let's try it...
[18:15] <Jeremy31> sylvain31: It won't try to power off using that command so you can see errors without it shutting off
[18:15] <sylvain31> too fast, Let's try to film it...
[18:30] <coconut> Is ubuntu going to keep doing snap in the future?
[18:33] <ravage> Yes
[18:34] <coconut> ok thanks
[18:36] <Maik> coconut: why shouldn't they? they've been at it since 16.04
[18:38] <coconut> i basicly asked because flatpak is popular among the others
[18:39] <mw_> because it's bloat and contradicts what linux is about?
[18:39] <mw_> if it made life easier i'd buy in
[18:41] <mw_> last time tried installing alacritty, ubuntu 18 had a native pkg that works, 20 only provides a snap as fallback, that simply does not work
[18:41] <sylvain31> Jeremy31: actually the screen is black, not powered off: last message was: https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/46990a07-7241-476e-9537-f4459e40c1f8
[18:42] <mw_> well it helped me finally switch to urxvt, so i guess that's a pro
[18:43] <mw_> moving away from ubuntu as well, don't like the direction it's headed at all
[18:45] <sylvain31> I'm gonna stop here fixing this non-poweroff for today. I still learnt some stuff about acpi, and and about asus laptop not being Linux friendly. I will go deeper next time. Thanks for the input.
[18:54] <matsaman> mw_: where're you going?
[18:55] <jwpapi> Can I change my ubuntu server so that I login into a different directory when I make a connection
[18:56] <matsaman> jwpapi: sounds like a job for ~/.bash_profile or the like
[18:56] <leftyfb> jwpapi: why do you need to go to a different directory than your home directory?
[19:15] <meuk> Hi, I want to setup lvm + luks before I run the installer. I checked the guide at the wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019) but when I run 'cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sd*' I get that the disk is in use and cryptsetup terminates. I tried unmounting the disk but umount says the disk is not mounted. Is there anyone that can help?
[19:17] <leftyfb> meuk: why do you need to do this separate from the installer?
[19:17] <rdr> yeah meuk i'm pretty sure the installer can set up luks for you?
[19:17] <rdr> I don't use it though so I could be wrong
[19:18] <meuk> leftyfb: Because the installer gives me no options in lvgroups. I want to pick my own.
[19:18] <leftyfb> meuk: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:18] <leftyfb> try that installer
[19:18] <meuk> Or sorry, logical volumes.
[19:19] <morganu> Gedit doesnt have clickable links. Is there another word processor that is a bit better for notetaking that you can recommend (please not a behemoth like openoffice!!)
[19:19] <meuk> leftyfb: ty
[19:19] <meuk> rdr: And ty too.
[19:20] <rdr> morganu: it depends, lots of people on Linux use either vim or emacs, vim runs in a terminal and has some shortcuts that need to be learned, emacs can run in a terminal or as a GTK app and can take a while to master.  personally, I use "tilde" which is a terminal text editor
[19:22] <morganu> Macintosh has had that in its basic most simple text editor has had that capacity rdr. This lack doth sucketh.
[19:22] <morganu> I mean since ever that I can remember. early Macs.
[19:22] <leftyfb> morganu: feel free to ask for more software recommendations in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:23] <rdr> morganu: another option is VS Code, I know it support clickable links and a whole lot more
[19:25] <morganu> I will check it out, vim is going so backwards for me. I have used something like it LONG ago. It is longer ago and more stroke drive than what I used to use, (cant remember the name) back in the days of pine and trn, in text from shell.
[19:25] <morganu> thanks rdr
[19:28] <morganu> rdr no microsoft products, thank you very much.
[19:28] <rdr> it's open source and very good, I understand your hesitation though
[19:28] <rdr> I'm no fan of Microsoft either, but I'm eyeing one of their Ergonomic keyboards despite this, and I use VS Code
[19:29] <leftyfb> lets stay on topic here
[19:29] <rdr> sorry
[19:31] <gh0st`> rdr, i dont like apple, but i use the magic keyboard
[19:31] <gh0st`> lol
[19:31] <gh0st`> leftyfb, dont be so cranky!
[19:32] <bootasing> Hi
[19:32] <rdr> the magic touchpad would be interesting to use with the GNOME gestures
[19:32] <bootasing> Hi, Which graphics tablet is ok and will work on linux ubuntu (desktop) and android phones. Any specific models and brands? wacom one, Veikk S640, Huion Inspiroy H640P, Xp-Pen Star G430S  or any other?
[19:32] <gh0st`> god forbid someone goes off topic! we are humans!  not bots
[19:32] <gh0st`> rdr, im rly happy lol
[19:32] <leftyfb> gh0st`: this is a support channel. There's #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic for everything else
[19:32] <gh0st`> mr cranky
[19:32] <gh0st`> okay
[19:32] <gh0st`> very serial chats only!
[19:33] <gh0st`> 0o
[19:33] <gh0st`> if you had said nothing, it wouldn't have even gone this far so think about that next time
[19:33] <coconut> gh0st`, sshh
[19:33] <gh0st`> :)
[19:34] <gh0st`> im a friendly ghost
[19:36] <Maik> if you don't have a ubuntu support question please join #ubuntu-offtopic for casual talk
[19:36] <gh0st`> sheeeep
[19:36] <Maik> gh0st`: behave and listen for once. Thanks
[19:37] <bootasing> Maik can I ask hardware questions about ubuntuhere?
[19:37] <morganu> 370mega bytes for gedit comparted to 2.3 to 60 GB for VS Code is OUTRAGEOUS. Not mine. rdr  -- I might try abiword
[19:37] <gh0st`> 0o
[19:38] <morganu> it exists for ubuntu, goodie
[19:38] <leftyfb> bootasing: this might be a good place to start https://linuxhint.com/graphics_tablets_linux/
[19:38] <leftyfb> bootasing: https://techsphinx.com/linux/drawing-tablets-linux/
[19:39] <rdr> morganu: I don't know where you got that, the deb to install VS Code is 81.1MB, but you can download tons of extensions which could bloat it up I guess
[19:40] <bootasing> leftyfb thanks
[20:30] <funabashi> hi short question, my status bar looks like  [[1=1](status) [2=2]#irssi  how can i change it so it looks like [2]#irssi ?
[20:33] <funabashi> and second question how can i disable all "has quit" "left" "has joined" etc
[20:35] <tomreyn> funabashi: the first question depends on which desktop environment you're running. ubuntu defaults to gnome-shell / mutter, but what you're saying does not sound like that's what you're using?
[20:36] <tomreyn> and the answer to your second question will depend on your IRC client, which you have not told us about.
[20:36] <tomreyn> it's generally also useful to state whihc ubuntu release and, if any, flavour you're running.
[20:36] <jhutchins> funabashi: Hiding join/part is pretty easy, I have "ignores = ( { level = "JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS"; } );" (without quotes) as the last line of joins/parts.
[20:37] <jhutchins> funabashi: Customising the status bar is too complex for an easy IRC answer, check the web documentation at irssi.org
[20:37] <jhutchins> funabashi: THere's also #irssi on libera.net.
[20:38] <jhutchins> funabashi: Um, last line of .irssi/config
[20:38] <jhutchins> (Fun with paste buffers and trackpads...)
[20:39] <tomreyn> user has quit
[20:39] <leftyfb> their question was also regarding #irssi, not the bash shell
[20:41] <gh0st`> ;p
[20:41] <gh0st`> off topic questions! :P
[20:41] <leftyfb> gh0st`: that's enough
[20:41] <gh0st`> ?
[21:54] <riobe> Is there a way to move the top bar (that has the activities/time/etc on it) onto a non-default monitor?
[21:55] <riobe> I have the monitor I want applications to open on set as my primary, but I want my top bar on a secondary one so that full screen apps don't cover the only clock I have on screen.
[21:55] <rdr> well, applications open on the screen that you open them on
[21:55] <rdr> you tend to launch applications with the dock...
[21:55] <rdr> you could make your secondary screen the "primary" screen
[21:55] <rdr> and activities would appear there along with the panel and dock
[21:56] <rdr> but unless you launch something with the mouse on your "actual main" screen with a shortcut or something, it will launch on the "fake main" screen
[21:57] <riobe> Ah... so if I make my "primary" screen my secondary monitor, that'll move the top bar, then I can move my dock to my previous primary and apps will still open there?
[21:57] <riobe> I think that'd be a solution I'd be happy with. Gonna try that.
[21:57] <rdr> you could do that
[21:58] <rdr> you'd probably have to replace Ubuntu Dock with Dash to Dock on extensions.gnome.org, it will do the same thing (uses same settings) but gives you more options
[21:59] <riobe> That seems to be working as is. Thanks for the clarification.:D  As far as Dash to Dock, I've never heard of that. I'll go search that up, thank you.
[21:59] <rdr> yeah the default Ubuntu dock is basically a fork of Dash to Dock except with some default settings (panel on left side essentially)
[22:00] <riobe> Oh, that makes sense.
[22:01] <letterrip> hi all - have there been any reports of 'click hijacking' recently?
[22:02] <leftyfb> letterrip: you probably want #security
[22:02] <letterrip> ty