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[10:58] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[11:04] <ducasse> good morning
[12:10] <Maik> not again.....
[12:12] <ducasse> history repeats itself, Maik :)
[12:12] <Maik> looks like it
[12:12] <Maik> :)
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[16:59] <enyc> discuss channel for legacy releases we wonder
[17:01] <daftykins> huh?
[17:02] <DOSfan> does anyone have a bit of time to help be get a simple .desktop file to run? .. i've been at this for a few hours now
[17:02] <enyc> daftykins: well, potentially pointed here, DOSfan considreing outdated 16.04 system
[17:03] <enyc> not sure why they don't just spend the time to put in a supported 32bit system and not be being unsecured software and sent off to wrong IRC-server by default  etc etc etc
[17:03] <daftykins> hours? people often say that but i doubt it
[17:03] <daftykins> 16.04 can still be supported via ESM with a free Ubuntu Advantage account
[17:03] <leftyfb> well, not really
[17:04] <leftyfb> you can't call Canonical for support with the free UA I don't think
[17:04] <leftyfb> you do get SOME updates, mainly major security fixes
[17:04] <DOSfan> gzzz I can't believe this, no help at all :\
[17:04] <DOSfan> all I get is change your operating system .. thanks
[17:04] <daftykins> DOSfan: funny, don't you see people talking? update your release.
[17:04] <leftyfb> 18.04 supports 32bit and is still supported
[17:05] <enyc> DOSfan: why are you stuck with the 16.04 anyhow,  this is a sesnsible question to discuss
[17:06] <enyc> it may be fixable there but seems a bit silly to spend time there without good reason
[17:06] <enyc> I'm asking a very sensible question, whats' wrong with putting in a MX21 32bit  updated install  and migrating over to that?
[17:06] <leftyfb> what is MX21?
[17:06] <enyc> then have updated and supported 32bit system, as ubuntu 32bit release over 3 years old etc
[17:07] <enyc> leftyfb: popular Debian Derivative
[17:07] <enyc> leftyfb: in a similar way to Mint and POP-OS being popular Ubuntu derivatives
[17:07] <leftyfb> ok, so absolutely nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:08] <leftyfb> 32bit is ancient. You can spend $35 and get a 64bit Raspberry Pi which would perform better
[17:09] <DOSfan> back .. reading
[17:10] <DOSfan> man this is so frustrating .. and yes i've been at this for almost 3 hours now
[17:11] <daftykins> and still no new information presented
[17:11] <DOSfan> same info : trying to get a simple .desktop file to run a wine application .. that's it
[17:11] <enyc> DOSfan: did you see you are missing a key question returning to you
[17:11] <daftykins> no, why are you running an old 32-bit release
[17:11] <leftyfb> DOSfan: ask in #winehq
[17:12] <DOSfan> daftykins : cause of the 32 bit CPUs I am using that's why.
[17:12] <daftykins> that doesn't explain why you're running 16.04
[17:12] <leftyfb> :/
[17:12] <DOSfan> oh ... maybe i'll try that channel then .. thanks :)
[17:12] <daftykins> troll in my book until proven otherwise
[17:12] <enyc> DOSfan: okay, so that leads to -- What's wrong with just installing MX21 or so, to have supported working 32bit system?
[17:13] <enyc> (or, rather limited time left  ubuntu 18.04 32bit)
[17:13] <Maik> 16.04 32 bit? That's unsupported, EOL
[17:13] <leftyfb> enyc: it's kinda rude to come to #ubuntu-discuss and suggest installing another distro
[17:13] <leftyfb> Maik: 18.04
[17:13] <Maik> ah, thanks
[17:14] <leftyfb> enyc: Ubuntu 18.04 supports 32bit and has 3 more years of support. That is what we suggest here.
[17:15] <leftyfb> but also, not using 32bit hardware 
[17:15] <Maik> uhm, nope, 1 year
[17:15] <enyc> leftyfb: nods, though IME using older LTS tends to be limited over time, frustrating in ways... and as Maik says limited time left
[17:15] <leftyfb> oh right
[17:15] <leftyfb> either way
[17:15] <leftyfb> 32bit isn't going to be supported forever
[17:15] <leftyfb> it's well passed it's time
[17:15] <Maik> and 32bit does not get ESM only 64 bit :)
[17:15] <DOSfan> I take it no one knows how a .desktop file works cause ubuntu does not use it anymore .. even in ver 18?
[17:16] <enyc> DOSfan: As I've also said and you didn't acknowledge, may depend upon DE type
[17:16] <DOSfan> DE type?
[17:16] <leftyfb> DOSfan: you're not having a problem with a .desktop file. You're having a problem calling a wine application from a .desktop file. Completely different and frankly not worth the time
[17:16] <enyc> DOSfan: Desktop Environment
[19:49] <DOSfan> bbl
[21:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue719 is now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue719 :D
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> less than 3 months for 22.04
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:30] <marcoagpinto> I can hardly wait
[21:31] <rdr> I CANT WAIT
[21:31] <rdr> UPDATES UNTIL 2027
[21:31] <rdr> I'M GONNA RIDE THE WAVE
[21:35] <Maik> turn off the capslock please
[21:36] <rdr> it was stuck on
[21:36] <Maik> 87 days until the release of 22.04 to be exact
[21:39]  * Maik uses the ubuntu countdown widget on his phone
[21:51] <marcoagpinto> well there be an hybrid quantum/x64 chipset?
[21:51] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:51] <marcoagpinto> a 512-bit CPU
[21:51] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:51] <marcoagpinto> I have been meditating because Quantum computers will be very expensive
[21:51] <marcoagpinto> well there=will there*
[21:53] <sarnold> so far I'm getting the impression that there may be dozens of quantum computers
[21:56] <marcoagpinto> sarnold: really?
[21:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:56] <marcoagpinto> how much $$$$$$ will they cost?
[21:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:57] <marcoagpinto> this Qubits and measures confuse my mind
[21:58] <marcoagpinto> I believe a qubit can have more than just 0 and 1
[21:58] <marcoagpinto> it will mess the whole concept we have of computer science
[21:58] <marcoagpinto> I am so scare
[21:58] <marcoagpinto> I am so scared
[21:59] <sarnold> marcoagpinto: heh, that's a great question. I've been assuming they're in the tens of millions range, though the sunk cost on them so far may mean they're far more than that..
[22:00] <marcoagpinto> so, a hybrid 512-bit is a good idea
[22:01] <marcoagpinto> just like Commodore did when accepted CISC and RISC in their machines
[22:01] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember the name of the RISC CPUs they used
[22:01] <marcoagpinto> my brain is toasted... I got to bed at 7am, spent the night working on LanguageTool
[22:04] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[22:04] <marcoagpinto> PowerPC
[22:04] <marcoagpinto> it was their RISC CPU
[22:04] <marcoagpinto> there were accelarator boards with PowerPT and Motorola 680x0
[22:05] <marcoagpinto> PowerPC*
[22:05] <sarnold> oh hah
[22:05] <sarnold> I have a vague memory of a computer that was either x86 as the main system and ppc on an (ISA? PCI?) card.. or maybe it was the other way around, a ppc with an x86 on a card
[22:05] <marcoagpinto> sarnold: it was the Commodore Amiga
[22:05] <marcoagpinto> 1990s
[22:06] <sarnold> zounds
[22:06] <sarnold> commodore
[22:06] <sarnold> amiga
[22:06] <sarnold> x86
[22:06] <sarnold> ppc
[22:06] <marcoagpinto> no
[22:06] <sarnold> just what the heck *was* that computer :)
[22:06] <marcoagpinto> 680x0 + PowerPC
[22:06] <sarnold> ahh
[22:06] <marcoagpinto> they were too advanced for the time
[22:06] <marcoagpinto> but they went bankrupted
[22:07] <marcoagpinto> I am still in contact with the guy who developed the Amiga chips
[22:07] <marcoagpinto> can't remember his name, he is my friend on LinkedIn
[22:07] <marcoagpinto> brain toasted
[22:08] <sarnold> cool :)
[22:08] <marcoagpinto> I commercialised my first software exactly when they went bankrupted
[22:08] <marcoagpinto> so, I didn't earn any money
[22:09] <sarnold> aww man :(
[22:10] <marcoagpinto> anyway, I am trying to commercialise an app right now
[22:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:10] <marcoagpinto> waiting for a reply from the company
[22:11] <marcoagpinto> there won't be a Linux version because I used Windows APIs and so the app can't be compiled on Ubuntu
[22:11] <marcoagpinto> it gives an error compiler, I have tried
[22:11] <marcoagpinto> compiling*
[22:11] <sarnold> wine?
[22:12] <marcoagpinto> it works on Wine, yes
[22:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:12] <marcoagpinto> the guy who is helping me with the ideas uses wine
[22:12] <marcoagpinto> not sure if he uses FreeBSD
[22:13] <marcoagpinto> but the emojis get corrupted
[22:13] <marcoagpinto> I saw screenshots