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| nicoz | o/ | 08:51 |
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| ddstreet | o/ | 15:56 |
| mapreri | o/ | 15:59 |
| Mr_Pan | hi o/ | 16:00 |
| ddstreet | teward around? | 16:01 |
| ddstreet | let's give teward a minute or two, then get started | 16:02 |
| mapreri | sure | 16:02 |
| ddstreet | ok let's go ahead then | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters | 16:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 16:04:09 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 16:04 |
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| ddstreet | ok! let's go over previous action items...i think some did get done :) | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | #topic Previous Action Items | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports (carried over) | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | sadly not yet :( i definitely will before next mtg :) | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports (carried over) | 16:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports (carried over) | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet open bug on u-d-t to update backportpackage script | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bug/1959115 | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | done! | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1959115 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "update backportpackage script to behave according to new backport process" [High, New] | 16:05 |
| mapreri | oh, reading | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | well it's only a bug opened to track it | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | so, the actual *work* isn't done | 16:06 |
| mapreri | sorry, reading what you wrote here heh | 16:06 |
| mapreri | I was distracted | 16:06 |
| mapreri | yeah, I've seen that bug in my mailbox, cool, ta | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet update wiki page clarifying requestors should subscribe ~ubuntu-backporters to BPO bugs | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | mapreri did this one - thanks! :) | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet update internal KB page with details about uploads going to 'New' instead of 'Unapproved' queue (carried over) | 16:06 |
| mapreri | I actually forgot it was part of the meeting todo when I did lol | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | yeah me too :) | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet update internal KB page with details about uploads going to 'New' instead of 'Unapproved' queue (carried over) | 16:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet update internal KB page with details about uploads going to 'New' instead of 'Unapproved' queue (carried over) | 16:07 |
| teward | i'm late sorry | 16:07 |
| teward | got busy with a call to GoDaddy | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | need to carry that as well - and as before, if either of you want to do the tool updates please feel free | 16:07 |
| mapreri | wait, the one about backportpackage, was that checked recetly? | 16:08 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 16:08 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) | 16:08 |
| mapreri | i figured unit193's patch was enough, or..? | 16:08 |
| ddstreet | i have not actually checked... | 16:08 |
| ddstreet | does it match our new process? | 16:08 |
| mapreri | well, in backportpackage it was mostly about adapting the changelog version, and that was done, so I *think* so | 16:08 |
| mapreri | but should probably be extra-verified… | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | ok yeah, let's leave the action in there at least until we double-check it works as we expect | 16:09 |
| mapreri | also, perhaps the bug above should be changed to include also requestbackports, perhaps | 16:10 |
| mapreri | if you ack I'll tweak the title and text | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | yep ack | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | thanks! | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet fix-released bugs for accepted uploads | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | that's done, for all bugs our team is subscribed to | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet raise topic of rescheduling meeting on ML | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | i did not send this email yet...should we just discuss now? or will it be easier to work it out on ML? | 16:11 |
| mapreri | here would be quicker most likely. | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | this day/time works ok for me for the first 30 min...i have an overlap at the bottom of the hour though | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | mapreri teward is there a better day and/or time for you? | 16:12 |
| teward | i don't mind adjusting the schedule times | 16:13 |
| teward | my schedule is relatively flexible until chaos erupts at FT job | 16:13 |
| mapreri | I'd have a preference if we could move this back 1 hour. In practice, follow DST, so in winter it would be at 17 UTC instead of 16 UTC (but not in summer) | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | that would probably work for me, though i would have a mtg right before it so i may be late sometimes | 16:14 |
| mapreri | → https://time.is/compare/1700_26_Jan_2022_in_UTC | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | actually, my meeting usually ends on time, so 17:00 utc should work for me | 16:14 |
| teward | that works for me | 16:14 |
| mapreri | perhaps 17.15 or .30 so it's not a risk of overlaps? it's not our meeting takes up much | 16:15 |
| mapreri | and what does your other meeting do wrt DST? | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | mapreri if we track DST though, i believe USA and Europe have different DST start/end dates? | 16:15 |
| ddstreet | my other meeting does track USA DST | 16:15 |
| mapreri | yeah well, in that time normally either one side or the other just suck it for one round :3 | 16:15 |
| mapreri | (leaving the choice to whoever organizes) | 16:16 |
| ddstreet | ok so are we all ok with 17:30 UTC, following USA DST? | 16:16 |
| ddstreet | meaning, 12:30PM Eastern time | 16:17 |
| mapreri | so next round would be https://time.is/compare/1730_09_Feb_2022_in_UTC ? | 16:17 |
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| ddstreet | yep | 16:17 |
| teward | yup | 16:17 |
| teward | works here | 16:17 |
| mapreri | cool | 16:17 |
| ddstreet | awesome! i'll action item that change | 16:17 |
| mapreri | that said, the 9th of Feb I might be travelling during the whole afternoon so I might miss it (i'll confirm it later on though) | 16:18 |
| mapreri | :/ | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet schedule next meeting at 12:30pm Eastern time, following USA DST schedule | 16:18 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet schedule next meeting at 12:30pm Eastern time, following USA DST schedule | 16:18 |
| mapreri | now, to just drop DST what do we do | 16:18 |
| mapreri | re-aligning the world | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | i really want everywhere to drop DST | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | it's just too annoying | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | annoying enough locally - but then having to work out the differences with contacts in other countries/TZs | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | it hurts my head | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | ok anyway, let's move on | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over) | 16:19 |
| mapreri | yeah, carried over | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over) | 16:20 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over) | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:20 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | i assume carry over for that and the next one | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 16:20 |
| ddstreet | lintian isn't done yet is it? | 16:20 |
| mapreri | mh is taht miissing still? | 16:20 |
| mapreri | the one about uploading the tools | 16:20 |
| mapreri | probably mh | 16:21 |
| mapreri | there are a couple to update at the very least, so just leave it there sure | 16:21 |
| mapreri | I'll get to it rsn | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | ack | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | yeah no hurry, we can leave it or drop it whenver | 16:21 |
| mapreri | I think lechner pretty much ignored that bug, I'll poke him on irc later | 16:21 |
| ddstreet | i suspect it'll be a never-ending process of keeping the tools updated | 16:21 |
| mapreri | that's the point :) | 16:22 |
| ddstreet | :) | 16:22 |
| ddstreet | ok i'll action the lintian one too for now | 16:22 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) | 16:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 16:22 |
| mapreri | ah, I see now that lechner did raise some points about it mh | 16:23 |
| mapreri | I'll follow up | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | we have unassigned actions too, i'll go thru them, if anyone wants to take any of them (or has completed any) please speak up, otherwise i'll just re-action them | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over) | 16:23 |
| mapreri | that should likely come after the membership process above | 16:24 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over) | 16:24 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over) | 16:24 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over) | 16:24 |
| mapreri | mh | 16:24 |
| mapreri | how is that any different than "propose text for membership process to add to KB page" ? | 16:24 |
| ddstreet | probably not really different | 16:25 |
| mapreri | drop it? | 16:25 |
| ddstreet | yeah, i think it came up from concerns about non-participating DMB members...but it definitely should just be part of the whole 'membership process' | 16:25 |
| ddstreet | ack to dropping it | 16:25 |
| mapreri | non-partecipating members is the one before, which is fine to leave separate so we make sure it's included | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | ah right ok | 16:26 |
| mapreri | this current one looks just a duplicate, however :) | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | yeah definitely :) | 16:26 |
| mapreri | pls nobody disappear until we have the text in place :3 | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | lol | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | maybe we should remove this unassigned item and update the action you have to specify 'including non-participating' | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | does seem like just a subset of the process action | 16:27 |
| mapreri | as you'd like | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | ack, yeah just administriva details - i'll update next mtg's agenda with them folded togehter | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | don't think this is done? | 16:28 |
| mapreri | nope | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 16:28 |
| mapreri | and nobody likes dechange's code, so it'll likely stay there for a while :3 | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | i think this is an important one we should get assigned either now, or next mtg | 16:29 |
| mapreri | looking at my own todo list, I'd rather not take this one myself, sorry | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | ok | 16:29 |
| ddstreet | teward you have time? if not we can carry it to next mtg | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | assign it then | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | ok let's just carry it | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs | 16:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic make sure wiki page includes requirement to add LP:# tag in backport changelog | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | i haven't actually checked this | 16:31 |
| mapreri | it's not there | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | ok i'll take it, should be a quick change | 16:31 |
| mapreri | ack | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet make sure wiki page includes requirement to add LP:# tag in backport changelog | 16:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet make sure wiki page includes requirement to add LP:# tag in backport changelog | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all the action items! | 16:31 |
| mapreri | alright | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | let's move to AOB? | 16:31 |
| mapreri | yes pls | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | #topic AOB | 16:32 |
| mapreri | Q: | 16:32 |
| mapreri | do we want to enforce bugs also for trivial updates of already backported things? | 16:32 |
| mapreri | Case that happened: a guy already had their bpo approved and already there. they uploaded an updated that I accidentally noticed the other day, and after looking at it, it just felt fine to approve it… but there wasn't a bug. tbh this felt mostly "fine" to me, but perhaps we want more tracking for some reason? | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | i think we dont need them if it's trivial...but if the reviewer rejects, the rejection comment should probably ask for a bug opened to discuss it | 16:33 |
| mapreri | s/an updated/an update/ | 16:33 |
| mapreri | the rejection case sounds fair, yep | 16:33 |
| teward | i got called to fix something sorry | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | yeah basically i think we agree, ok to upload without a bug for simple backports, we can request a bug if we have any concerns, yeah? | 16:34 |
| teward | ddstreet: for super simple i agree, for anything that requires any deviation from 'simple' then it needs a bug | 16:34 |
| teward | my 2 cents | 16:34 |
| mapreri | k. do we want to make this written, or just keep it as a tribal knowledge, so people don't get over-excited of skipping bugs? | 16:34 |
| teward | i'd keep it as tribal knowledge | 16:34 |
| teward | because we don't want to *encourage* skipping the processes | 16:35 |
| teward | or make people think that 'what's simple to them is actually a simple case that doesn't need a bpo bug" | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | well, that leaves it ambigous for reviewers as well | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | i'd say we work out specific wording for an 'acceptable' no-bug backport? | 16:35 |
| teward | agreed | 16:35 |
| teward | and potentially detail some examples | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | like 'if there are no code changes and the package is already in the target backport pocket' or something like that? | 16:36 |
| teward | > if there are no code changes | 16:36 |
| teward | that's where i start saying "Define code changes" | 16:36 |
| mapreri | that sounds like a job for another #action to propose a fine wording. The term "trivial" is clearly too ambiguous too | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | should we work out the specific wording on ML? I can start a thread...I just started my other mtg, so my attention is divided now :( | 16:36 |
| teward | yes lets start on specific wording on the ML | 16:36 |
| mapreri | yeah | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | yep definitely 'trivial' can mean different things :) | 16:36 |
| teward | i'm diverted to my FT job because somehting's on 'fire' | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet start thread on ML to clarify wording for no-bug-required backports | 16:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet start thread on ML to clarify wording for no-bug-required backports | 16:37 |
| mapreri | teward's job is clearly too hot, being on fire so often /o\ | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | lol | 16:37 |
| teward | lol | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | yeah | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | i hope you have a fireproof suit teward | 16:37 |
| teward | mapreri: not my fault that the one team that has yielded their stuff to IT at my FT job are all using legacy/EOL crap | 16:37 |
| teward | literally EOL crap that i'm having to use bits of my UA-I seats for temporarily >.> | 16:37 |
| teward | (8.04 anyone?) | 16:37 |
| teward | (that's the oldest i'm currently porting stuff to a 20.04 system for) | 16:38 |
| mapreri | I knoe the fealing, having inherited a bunch of 14.04 myself... or so I though but at least it doesn't get to single-digit releases | 16:38 |
| teward | ddstreet: i'm literally fireproof now heh | 16:38 |
| teward | mapreri: two 12.04s, six 14.04s, one 8.04 | 16:38 |
| teward | but i digress | 16:38 |
| mapreri | yep | 16:38 |
| mapreri | alright, ddstreet: let's close up? :) | 16:39 |
| teward | the old stuff is breaking so i keep having to move things into emergency migration mode | 16:39 |
| teward | yep yep | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | sounds good, last call for anything else? | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | 5... | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | 4... | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | 3... | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | 2... | 16:39 |
| teward | give coffee? | 16:39 |
| teward | :P | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | 1... | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:39:48 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-01-26-16.04.moin.txt | 16:39 |
| teward | (no other buisness from me) | 16:39 |
| mapreri | ty both, o/ | 16:39 |
| ddstreet | thanks all! | 16:39 |
| teward | thank you! | 16:40 |
| * genii sweeps up and washes the coffeepot | 21:49 | |
| nicoz | o/ | 22:40 |
| nicoz | genii: Don’t drink too many cups of coffee, which are not good | 22:55 |
| nicoz | :P | 22:56 |
| nicoz | Wasn’t there supposed to be a meeting right now? | 23:04 |
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