[14:15] <kryten> Eickmeyer: I've taken the liberty of working out a suggestion for further improvements on the lowlatency settings postinst, since I noticed a few things there that could use some: https://paste.opendev.org/show/812369/
[14:18] <kryten> The "raw" paste shows the "esac" that appears as having been dropped in the fancy view.. silly lodgeit.
[14:37] <kryten> Oh right, and I wanted to mention that I also noticed that it currently checks for the presence of "update-grub2" but then runs just "update-grub".. while I see a sufficient rationale for each of those instances, I feel like it's mildly suboptimal to have a discrepancy there..
[15:10] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: in 20.04 when using the window decoration "X" to close a window, do you sometimes have to click it twice?
[15:11] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: sorry 22.04
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> kryten: Yeah, that's probably something that needs to be changed. However, some of your code isn't quite as paranoid as mine. I understand the rationalle to reduce the amount of lines. I've been trained to define variables first no matter what.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> kryten: That said, I do like what you did with the for-do loop.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: No, never had that problem. That seems quite odd.
[18:17] <kryten> Eickmeyer: Feel free to pick of it whatever you want.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> kryten: Yeah, I'll probably do something along those lines. I do like some of your suggestions!
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> It was just some fancy code I used in case someone is using refind instead of grub.
[18:21] <kryten> Yeah, I didn't even know whether you actually wrote it or just based it on some similar implementation.. so all I did was see how it could be improvement without any judgement.
[18:29] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: No devede? do we have a replacement? It seems that is the only dvd creater we had?
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: We don't. I removed it because DVD burning is pretty much obsolte this day and age. Should I put it back?
[18:30] <Eickmeyer> kryten: Yeah, I wrote it. My bash-fu has improved over the past year since I do a lot of it in ${_dayjob}.
[18:30] <OvenWerk1> A photographer/video person doing weddings probably still sells the DVD as finished product
[18:31] <OvenWerk1> maybe not?
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: As a photographer, I wouldn't. Reason being is that it's easier to give a digital copy on a thumb drive anymore, and typically has higher quality/high definition.
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> Or even upload to a shared drive and share from there. That's what I do anymore.
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> I am thinking that devede creates menus and such
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> even for use on a thumb drive
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> Or is there another way of doing that these days?
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Upload to dropbox/google drive/whatever and they can view it right there or stream it.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Or even download it.
[18:33] <OvenWerk1> But no menu with chapters or whatever?
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> DVDs are pretty costly for photographers/videographers to produce anymore.
[18:34] <OvenWerk1> ok, I'll not worry about it then
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> I've done that stuff in the past, but that was nearing 15-20 years ago. It's harder to do that in Blu-Ray for high definition. One can create something like that in a custom website. I mean, it's worth exploring, but even burned DVDs don't last.
[18:36] <OvenWerk1> Just did the sw update and notice quassel is there so decided to see if konverstion would be listed in apt autoremove :)
[18:37] <OvenWerk1> I guess people are used to YT and the way that works anymore
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, exactly.
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> I didn't see Konversation as autoremovable, but I don't know why.
[18:38] <OvenWerk1> The following packages will be REMOVED
[18:38] <OvenWerk1>   cdparanoia devede dvd+rw-tools dvdauthor growisofs k3b k3b-data k3b-i18n
[18:38] <OvenWerk1>   konversation konversation-data libconfig9 libffms2-4 libiso9660-11 libk3b7
[18:38] <OvenWerk1>   libk3b7-extracodecs libvcdinfo0 libwcs7 siril siril-common vcdimager
[18:38] <OvenWerk1> So yes konversation is removed
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Oh, sweet. There previously was a bug in packagekit (which Discover uses) that would unintentionally mark certain packages as manually installed if they were merely upgraded.
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> So, I didn't have the same result.
[18:39] <OvenWerk1> Mine is an install
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Mine is an upgrade.
[18:40] <OvenWerk1> My last workhorse was studio on top of kubuntu
[18:40] <OvenWerk1> so I had to install
[18:40] <OvenWerk1> 20.04 to 22.04
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Mine's been upgraded since 20.10? Something like that.
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> I keep a VM around for testing and installing the ISO.
[18:47] <OvenWerk1> elisa seems nice.
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Elisa > clementine > amarok (which is dead).
[18:51] <OvenWerk1> vokoscreen vs: OBS? or is vokoscreen more lightweight?
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> vokoscreen can't stream, afaik.
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> It's also what people expect for content creation and live streaming. It's the defacto standard now.
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> (OBS that is)
[18:53] <OvenWerk1> vokoscreen is in out meta
[18:53] <OvenWerk1> out=our
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> I thought there was a reason for that, like a dependency.
[18:53] <OvenWerk1> reverse dep does show much
[18:53] <OvenWerk1> doesn't show much
[18:54]  * OvenWerk1 should go back to bed
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Hmm... Might remove vokoscreen, but I'd consider it more of a screen capture utility than OBS which targets live streaming more.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> But, you're right, there's overlap.
[18:55]  * Eickmeyer might have to think about this one
[18:55] <OvenWerk1> I'm just doing a quick overview
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[18:55] <OvenWerk1> not really making any judgements just comments
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> I'm also considering krita vs gimp, but we've had that discussion before. People from outside of Linux know both pretty well.
[18:56] <OvenWerk1> those two are different audience
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Drawing vs editing.
[18:56] <OvenWerk1> my son uses krita only
[18:56] <OvenWerk1> I use gimp a lot
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> I use both a lot.
[18:56] <OvenWerk1>  I'm not an artist :)
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> I just edit graphics for the most part for websites and what-not.
[19:05] <OvenWerk1> I think I just solved my need two clicks to close problem. I think it was left over config stuff because I kept my home directory
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Ah.
[19:05] <OvenWerk1> So the first click did a raise and the second did the action
[19:06] <OvenWerk1> I changed and then reselected: activate, raise and pass click
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> That makes sense.
[19:06]  * OvenWerk1 uses focus follows mouse
[19:10] <OvenWerk1> I think I need to add a setting to controls to set sync on a FW device before starting jack but I am not sure if that setting is reasonably standard
[19:11] <OvenWerk1> the firewire modules in the latest kernel (which actually work... well at high latency) allow either alsa or ffado modules to be loaded into jack.
[19:13] <OvenWerk1> so without blaklisting the alsa-fw modules I can run the jack ffado back end.
[19:14] <OvenWerk1> however, alsa still shows the device as available.
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> Interesting
[21:42] <kryten> Eickmeyer: I moved the '_rootUuid' variable definition to under the refind config check for an existing lowlatency entry because it won't be used otherwise anyway.. >_<
[22:57] <OvenWerk1> I used the prestart script in controls and it works nicely
[22:58] <OvenWerk1> I use it to switch my AF12 to internal clock (cause it powers up on "Word") and to mute the first two channels... which power up to be connected to the first two outputs.
[22:59] <OvenWerk1> I don't know if those are factory defaults or if the last person set it that way, but I have no windows to save a better setting and the setup does not seem to work in wine.