[12:16] <waldo323> thanks! and sorry I didn't get back to this right away. I've added liberty center one, to our short and hopefully growing list. 123.net was already on the list.
[12:17] <waldo323> llua, interesting in a good way, and you'd recommend them?
[12:22] <waldo323> we'll be renting whole rack(s) as we'll need at least 36u, we'll want physical access so in the greater Detroit area. and really if the price were right I would guess extending that to ann arbor wouldn't be out of the question if the services and price worked out
[12:28] <waldo323> jrwren, somewhere we'd bring/ship our own hardware to and would need physical access to. at least initially I suspect we'll be doing tape backups there so one of us would be there weekly.  server hunter does look to be a pretty cool site though and is good to know about
[14:48] <jrwren> sounds like a lot of work ;)
[14:54] <greg-g> But cheaper than cloud.
[14:55] <greg-g> We perennially get folks telling us to just use AWS or azure for our stuff. We'd be out of money in a year.
[14:56] <greg-g> (I made up the timeline, but we've done the calculations, we can't do it without multiple hundreds of millions per year or something)
[14:56] <greg-g> We only raise ~110 million
[14:57] <greg-g> "only"
[15:02] <cmaloney> so next week I'll know more about what's going on with my "malignant neoplasm of the rectum"
[15:02] <cmaloney> woo hoo. 
[15:02] <cmaloney> CT Scan, MR Scan
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> Again, good luck
[15:03] <cmaloney> Thank you. :)
[15:40] <jrwren> yup, cloud is insanely expensive if you are able to execute on the cheap.
[15:41] <jrwren> not to mention all the dumb shit AWS convinces people to use. NLB when you don't need it. Route53 for overpriced DNS. CloudHSM, becuase of course you need a hardware security module.
[15:55] <greg-g> cmaloney: <3
[19:50] <waldo323> thanks! we aren't ready to go to the cloud for our data so the cost aspect was good to read
[20:10] <cmaloney> That's good
[20:54] <jrwren> greg-g: we spend more than that on AWS/yr. :)