[00:04] <Macwinner> Hi, I was doing some research and wanted to see what the default versions of some packages like postfix are on Ubuntu 20.04.  We are planning on migrating from our current centos8 and I wanted to do a quick inventory.  Is there an online resources that has some info?
[00:05] <Macwinner> also, any pointers to guides for sysadmins with centos moving to ubuntu would be appreciated.
[00:05] <sarnold> Macwinner: you can look up source packages via launchpad eg https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix
[00:06] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix
[00:06] <oerheks> ag
[00:06] <Macwinner> thank you!
[00:06] <sarnold> Macwinner: this website is better for going from binary package names, but it is less reliable in my experience, so I don't give it out as often https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[00:07] <oerheks> launchpad or apt search <package>
[00:07] <oerheks> but that would require an installed ubuntu
[00:08] <Macwinner> yep.. so https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/mail/  shows postfix 3.4.10.. but the launchpad shows latest stable is 3.5.6
[00:09] <Macwinner> which one would be expected to get installed? or is it a matter of configuring the apt repos? (sorry if that terminology is not right)
[00:09] <oerheks> focal stable update gives 3.4.13-0ubuntu1.2
[00:09] <sarnold> each of xenial, bionic, focal, impish, jammy, there, are their own series, where you're expected to use only packages from xenial, or only packages from bionic, etc
[00:10] <sarnold> so if you install 20.04 (focal), you'd get 3.4.13-0ubuntu1.2 -- and if you install 22.04 (jammy) it'll come with postfix 3.6.3-5ubuntu1, etc
[00:10] <gry> Macwinner, did you look at 'rocky linux' also?
[00:11] <Macwinner> yeah, noticed rocky. but most hosting providers don't have it
[00:11] <Macwinner> Ubuntu seems to be the one available everywhere
[00:11] <sarnold> you'd really want to stick with those; you *can* find ppas with different versions of packages rebuilt for whatever release you use, but (a) whoever runs that ppa has root on your computer so you better trust them (b) even folks who are really good at it sometimes make mistakes that just break everything
[00:11] <gry> Macwinner, i suspect hosting providers could consider adding it on request, if there is a special reason why it fits your purpose better
[00:12] <Macwinner> sarnold: thank you! we typically build from source as well.. so may not be issue
[00:12] <Macwinner> appreciate the pointers.. thanks everyone. have a great day!
[00:35] <Bashing-om> !flatpak
[00:36]  * sarnold redirects Bashing-om to ikea
[00:37] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Mate now encompasses flatpak too - we are going to have to accept flatpak.
[00:39] <sarnold> Bashing-om: well, "accept".. :)
[00:57] <adderall> I think I'm afraid of the Penguin. I installed the socialist wallpaper that I'v been using for years and Tux is VERY scary
[00:57] <adderall> He looks like the great emperor
[02:52] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 20.04, and when I close the lid, the screen is black. Do you know how can I remove it? Before it was not like this.
[03:07] <pycurious> I had to reboot my box manually. How do i figure out what was wrong ?
[03:36] <gry> mojtaba, do you want it to 'do nothing' when the lid is closed?
[04:20] <adderall> ...
[04:28] <Macwinner> hi, I'm totally new to Ubuntu. moving over from centos7/8.  Ubuntu 20.04 seems to work pretty awesome.  Just had a question.  if I "sudo apt install postfix", it install 3.4.13.  Is there a way to install postfix at 3.6.3 which seems to be the latest using apt as well?  Somethiing like a yum repo?
[04:29] <Macwinner> same with haproxy.. it looks like 2.0.13.. but would like 2.5.x
[04:29] <Macwinner> or is recommendation to just install from source?
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> we usualy recommend to stick to the package versions of your ubuntu release Macwinner
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> but you can always try !snaps !backports if you like Macwinner
[04:31] <Macwinner> thanks, i'll research those.. thanks!
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> external ppa's might conflict with apt sometimes and result into unwanted dependency issues
[04:32] <Macwinner> got it.. PPA is the terminology i need to search for
[04:39] <echo> how do i get my ip
[04:40] <echo> ifconfig dont work anymore
[04:40] <gry> echo, what is the error message from it?
[04:40] <echo> ifconfig isnt even there
[04:40] <echo> im on 21.10
[04:41] <gry> echo, install 'net-tools' package, then it will be there
[04:41] <echo> ok
[04:43] <echo> it was also in the wifi settings
[04:43] <Bashing-om> ecormier: Be aware: The modern replacement for net-tools is iproute2 <- https://www.tecmint.com/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ .
[04:45] <echo> ok thanks. i just got it from the settings anyways
[04:45] <Bashing-om> ecormier: One way to get your assigned IP ' ip a ' .
[04:45] <echo> ok good to know
[04:48] <Bashing-om> ecormier: Another is through your route table: ip route show
[04:49] <Bashing-om> echo: ^^ sorry ecormier for that hightlight - not paying good attention :(
[04:49] <echo> its ok haha
[04:54] <amazoniantoad> Can anyone point me to where I need to go to get help with ubuntu touch?
[04:55] <amazoniantoad> I'm in #ubports and #Ubuntu-touch but the channels are dead
[04:55] <adderall> Gotta pull yerself up by your own bootstaps: no pun intended
[05:02] <gry> amazoniantoad, i think #ubports is supposed to be the official channel
[05:03] <gry> amazoniantoad, see also https://forums.ubports.com/category/37/support
[05:03] <amazoniantoad> thanks gry
[06:20] <mike_> anyone have a7 lite?
[07:24]  * enyc ROARs
[07:24] <enyc> hrrm ... 21.10 being discussed more, good
[07:25] <enyc> wondering what the Wayland situation is now, I hear mixed views about and wonder how it will/won't be sorted by 22.04lts
[07:29] <yukiup> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-2021-Success
[07:30] <enyc> hrrm
[07:38] <yukiup> you can change the display server on the login screen
[08:49] <leandrot0sh1> hi everyone, is there any app or something to check the power supply health ?
[08:54] <yukiup> you would probably need one of those electric voltage testers
[08:54] <yukiup> something like that, is my guess
[08:56] <leandrot0sh1> I believe there are some apps for that.. not sure
[08:56] <yukiup> maybe in the bios?
[08:56] <leandrot0sh1> yukiup, good idea
[08:57] <leandrot0sh1> I'll go check that
[08:59] <yukiup> i guess they do have apps
[09:00] <yukiup> didn't know...
[09:01] <yukiup> when he gets back i'll tell him the apps
[09:01] <yukiup> https://alternativeto.net/software/speedfan/?platform=linux
[09:05] <weedmic> anyone know what the items in () are called so I can find a breakout list of the abbreviations?  "cdc-wdm0 (qmi), ttyUSB0 (qcdm), ttyUSB2 (at), wwan0 (net), ttyUSB3 (at)"
[09:05] <Bochi> ahoi, I have a question regarding preseeding the ubiquity live installer (the one that is started from within the live system)
[09:06] <Bochi> is there any way to make it install a minimal system (preseeded)?
[09:06] <leandrot0sh1> yukiup, checked it on BIOS: CPU Vcore = +1.248V; +12V = 12.249; +5 = 5.040; +3.30 = 3.376
[09:06] <leandrot0sh1> i think it seems fine
[09:06] <yukiup> https://alternativeto.net/software/speedfan/?platform=linux
[09:06] <yukiup> they do have apps
[09:06] <Bochi> i tried every combination of ubiquity tasksel / minimal_install / etc keys now in preseed, but the most minimal system I get is gnome + web browser :P
[09:08] <yukiup> install ubuntu server?
[09:08] <leandrot0sh1> yukiup, my mouse is right-clicking on its own, and sometimes it just stops working.. that's why I thought it could be the power supply
[09:09] <Bochi> server is my next try, yeah, already downloaded the iso (also kubuntu, but kde_ui doesn't show any gui during automated installation) and xubuntu (currently installing)
[09:09] <Bochi> let's see if server does the trick, thanks
[09:48] <leandrot0sh1_> Hi everyone, can you guys help to figure out what is causing my pc to behave oddly ?
[09:48] <yukiup> ??
[09:48] <leandrot0sh1_> mouse is right-clicking on its own, then it suddenly stop working as well as the keyboard
[09:48] <matsaman> leandrot0sh1_: laptop?
[09:48] <leandrot0sh1_> no, desktop
[09:48] <matsaman> unplug the mouse, see if the keyboard works then
[09:49] <matsaman> if it doesn't work, leave the mouse unplugged & reboot, see if the keyboard works then
[09:49] <leandrot0sh1_> now, both are working
[09:49] <matsaman> now after what? Nothing?
[09:50] <leandrot0sh1_> I unplugged the mouse and the keyboard worked, then I plugged the mouse back and the keyboard still working
[09:50] <leandrot0sh1_> but the mouse sometimes right-click, and if I click something it appears to dragging the app I click
[09:51] <yukiup> what mouse?
[09:51] <leandrot0sh1_> its a microsoft comfort something..
[09:52] <leandrot0sh1_> now the right button stopped work
[09:52] <yukiup> maybe try another port?
[09:52] <matsaman> probably your mouse is full of cruft/dirty, or broken
[09:53] <matsaman> some mice you can straightforwardly open up and clean, some not so much
[09:53] <matsaman> but they're cheap after all
[09:53] <leandrot0sh1_> yukiup, exchanged ports and still the same
[09:54] <yukiup> get a new mouse
[09:54] <matsaman> ^
[09:54] <matsaman> we're talking $15 tops
[09:54] <leandrot0sh1_> matsaman, its pretty much new .. lass than 5 months of use
[09:54] <matsaman> probably outside of the return period, alas
[09:55] <leandrot0sh1_> and I don't think it's the mouse actually, 'cause I've tried another mouse on this desktop and showed the same issue ;/
[09:55] <matsaman> I've gotten the cheapest logitech mouse for decades now
[09:55] <matsaman> $15
[09:55] <Swift110-mobile> Oh why is that matsaman
[09:55] <matsaman> leandrot0sh1_: another mouse with the same number of buttons?
[09:55] <matsaman> Swift110-mobile: logitech? 'cause it's always around and they make a cheap boring normal mouse
[09:56] <leandrot0sh1_> matsaman, the other has more buttons
[09:57] <leandrot0sh1_> matsaman, sometimes I just can't click thing on the desktop and the cursor is disappearing
[09:57] <leandrot0sh1_> things*
[09:57] <matsaman> mmm
[09:57] <leandrot0sh1_> I only see the cursor on the menu part
[09:57] <matsaman> if you tried from a live OS, and it didn't exhibit the behavior, that would mean it's your installation configuration somehow
[09:57] <leandrot0sh1_> where I see the clock,etc
[09:58] <leandrot0sh1_> matsaman, maybe something with the kernel ?
[09:58] <leandrot0sh1_> cause I noticed it after the last updates
[09:58] <matsaman> maybe, but that wouldn't be my first guess
[09:58] <matsaman> not unless you just did a kernel update, and then this happened
[09:58] <matsaman> like, only a kernel update and not an update of anything else like input libs or wayland/X
[09:59] <leandrot0sh1_> I started noticing this behavior after the last 3 kernel updates
[09:59] <leandrot0sh1_> and now I don't know how to get back to an older version
[09:59] <yukiup> https://smile.amazon.com/Microsoft-Wireless-Comfort-Desktop-5050/dp/B007CJT12A/ Reviews----"i've bought 5 of them cause they keep breaking"
[10:15] <ASC_> leandrot0sh1_, in terminal 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' may reveal a things, or may not reveal. Or 'tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep -iE "warning|error|fail|usb"'
[10:15] <ASC_> It may show USB device connect-disconnect. If so, then it's a sign.
[10:47] <Assid> heya
[10:47] <Frost> hi
[10:51] <matsaman> hi
[11:01] <weedmic> anyone know what the items in () are called so I can find a breakout list of the abbreviations?  "cdc-wdm0 (qmi), ttyUSB0 (qcdm), ttyUSB2 (at), wwan0 (net), ttyUSB3 (at)"
[11:03] <matsaman> weedmic: from what output?
[11:21] <weedmic> mmcli - i'm looking for a list of what things like qmi, qcdm, at, net - actually mean (and to know all the options) matsaman
[11:34] <Assid> so i have to setup a netplan type rule where i need to use route via .. with onlink.. i can replicate one of my other installs via netplan.. but i cant figure how to do this on ubuntu desktop's network manager
[12:16] <Guest34> Every time I try and upgrade from 18.04.6 to 20.04, the upgrade fails and leaves my system in a broken half upgraded state,   It appears there is already a but report, other people seeing this, but no official workaround, and some vague comments on how someone hacked it to work.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcrypt/+bug/1903838
[12:17] <Guest34> How can I upgrade successfully?  It fails every time, and I can only revert back to my VM snapshot and stick on 18,04
[12:25] <EriC^^> Guest34: it looks like the guy got libcrypt from a healthy 20.02 and symlinked it in his system, give it a try?
[12:25] <Guest34> Erm, I don't have another "healthy" 20.02, they all fail to upgrade in the same way
[12:26] <Ravage> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxcrypt/libcrypt1_4.4.10-10ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[12:26] <EriC^^> you could download the .deb file from archive.ubuntu.com and extract the .so.1.1.0 file
[12:26] <Guest34> It's also unclear WHEN they did those steps, before, during, after?
[12:26] <EriC^^> dpkg -x i believe
[12:26] <Ravage> you replace it after the upgrade fails
[12:26] <EriC^^> Guest34: i'd say after since he had to run apt-get -f install, meaning apt was borked in an inconsistent state
[12:27] <Ravage> and continue with the commands in the post
[12:27] <Guest34> Will give it a go.
[12:27] <Guest34> thanks
[12:27] <EriC^^> goodluck, np
[12:28] <Ravage> ( you can unzip the .deb file to get the .so file }
[12:29] <Ravage> still a really annoying bug. i did some upgrades from 18.04 and never had that problem
[13:14] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:16] <xheimlich> so I use spectrwm, a tilingn wm.
[13:16] <xheimlich> is there possibly a way to use something like xdg-open to open a window in a specified workspace?
[13:17] <xheimlich> or are spectrwm's workspaces a thing of its own that's not really shared with the GUI base stuff?
[13:26] <matsaman> xheimlich: I doubt xdg groks spectr out of the box, but I'm sure you can overcome it
[13:40] <iomari891> greetings, when I try to execute: sudo ./FoxitReader.run,  I get the following error: sudo: unable to execute ./FoxitReader.run: Permission denied.
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> ask the maintainer of foxit for support iomari891
[13:42] <iomari891> it's not just foxit that gives me this problem. I've had this issue with other files as well recently.
[13:43] <tomreyn> iomari891: then it will be best to seek support with those as well.
[13:45] <tomreyn> iomari891: .run files are usually file you need to fully trust and execute, that's not the default way of packaging software for ubuntu. it's an option to distribute software this way, but how this software will need to be used is something that can differ for each of these softwares.
[13:45] <tomreyn> if you fully trust the software, you are probably supposed to make the downloaded file executable (chmod +x file.run) and then run it (./file.run)
[13:46] <tomreyn> if you can't fully trust this software, this is a recipe for disaster, though
[13:47] <iomari891> thanks all
[14:30] <Frost> hey does anybody know a way to remap keys? (cus my game cant change them)
[14:30] <matsaman> which game?
[14:30] <Frost> Extreme Tux Racer
[14:31] <matsaman> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/292868/how-to-customise-keyboard-mappings-with-wayland
[14:31] <matsaman> Ubuntu has been pretty silly moving to Wayland
[14:31] <Frost> matsaman : umm sorry i use xorg, xubuntu
[14:33] <Frost> i used xmodmap in other distros uhh its persistent
[14:33] <Frost> and i dont want that
[14:33] <matsaman> you can use xmodmap non-persistently
[14:34] <Frost> matsaman : when i open up my environment when i had manjaro, the d key was persistent
[14:34] <matsaman> the d key?
[14:35] <Frost> yeah i change arrow keys to wasd
[14:35] <matsaman> mmm
[14:35] <matsaman> anyway, you can use xmodmap non-persistently
[14:38] <Frost> how can i kill?
[14:40] <Frost> oh thanks, i just have to change my layout
[14:40] <Frost> thank you so much!, manjaro is rolling so that probably explains everything
[14:41] <matsaman> you could change your layout, yes
[14:41] <matsaman> or use xmodmap -e type commands
[14:41] <matsaman> and reset with 'setxkbmap' I think
[14:41] <matsaman> or explicitly re-set again with xmodmap -e
[14:48] <Frost> matsaman : i used setxkbmap fr (i use french as a layout)
[14:48] <matsaman> =)
[15:41] <konrados> Hey. I have a very old pc, like 10 years. Some celeron, 4 gb ram, hard disk. I installed kubuntu from pendrive it worked well, but then it stops working after logging in. I.e. it starts up, for a second there is black screen, then ubuntu logo and then it stops working.
[15:42] <konrados> I replaced RAM, disk and GPU trying to figure out what is the issue. But it just doesn't work o.O
[15:42] <konrados> How can I see where is the problem?
[15:43] <gordonjcp> konrados: kubuntu might be a bit much for 4GB of RAM
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah, try lubuntu 20.04 on it, will have a much lighter experience konrados
[15:43] <konrados> gordonjcp, I do have other systems working well with  4gb and kubuntu
[15:44] <konrados> lotuspsychje, it is kubuntu 20.x... but really? it may behave like this because of lack of ram?
[15:44] <konrados> bear in mind that it *did* work
[15:44] <konrados> even with windows 7
[15:44] <gordonjcp> konrados: well, without wider context it's hard to diagnose
[15:44] <Frost> konrados : try reinstalling or reinstalling the drivers
[15:44] <gordonjcp> maybe it's swapping really hard, and just slow
[15:45] <gordonjcp> maybe it's a graphics card that isn't well-supported
[15:45] <konrados> It suddenly stopped working a few days ago, I tried the windows and then kubuntu
[15:45] <konrados> gordonjcp, yeah, the gpu started being like 80 celcius, so I replaced it
[15:45] <gordonjcp> which GPU is it?
[15:46] <konrados> the gpu started 80 celcius just after a minute of working, but now it's gone
[15:46] <gordonjcp> well, what's in it now?
[15:46] <konrados> gordonjcp, right now it's on board, on the intel - something
[15:46] <gordonjcp> that should be okay
[15:47] <gordonjcp> intel isn't fast but it's well-supported
[15:47] <konrados> yeah, but... it's so weird, I managed to install kubuntu, everything worked just fine. I can login and then boom - it crashes.
[15:47] <konrados> black screen, nothing there
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> lets see some logs konrados maybe the volunteers can notice something
[15:48] <konrados> I also tried two monitors
[15:48] <konrados> yeah, lotuspsychje - but how?
[15:48] <konrados> the 'esc' thing?
[15:48] <konrados> when starting?
[15:48] <konrados> give me a sec
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> konrados: you could start F1 to switch to textboot for example; see if errors arise in that stage
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> or try to save your dmesg at login
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> or try falling back to tty
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> or enter desktop with !nomodeset
[15:51] <konrados> but when I try to enter grub, with escape, I can see lots of logs on the screen, but then it goes into the login screen anyway
[15:52] <konrados> when I'm at the login screen, is there anything I can do?
[15:52] <konrados> let me try the ctrl+alt+f1
[15:52] <konrados> or something :)
[15:53] <konrados> ok, I'm on the terminal
[15:54] <konrados> now what? My other computer is a slow laptop... right now, I can't really google that, how to see this logs, var/log/system?
[15:54] <konrados> oh, the internet here is about 0.1mb/s :)
[15:55] <konrados> I only have you:)
[15:55] <ogra> konrados, so you usually see te login screen just fine and can log in graphically ?
[15:55] <ogra> i.e. it only dies after logging in to the session ?
[15:56] <ogra> if so ... i'd first add a test user (you can delete it after testing again) and try to log in as that ... if that works, something with the users configuaraion is broken
[15:58] <konrados> ogra, when I enter login and password it crashes. But,  it's a fresh install, and btw this is a second attempt, with another system disk
[15:59] <frost-core> hey guys
[15:59] <frost-core> i was just wondering
[15:59] <frost-core> which ubuntu based distro is best for 2gb?
[16:00] <konrados> ogra,  I'm now on the terminal, I did `cat /var/log/syslog` but ... I can't scroll up with shift+cursor up
[16:00] <konrados> I can't see the moment it crashes
[16:00] <tomreyn> none of the official flavors. try #linux
[16:00] <konrados> I'll try vim or something :)
[16:00] <MrMobius> how can I set the server I ssh into to suspend when no one is logged in and wake up when a new connection comes in? I think wake on lan might work but I'm not sure how to get it into suspend mode. systemd suspend makes me input my password 3 times so I don't think I can put it in a cron job
[16:01] <ogra> konrados, try "less /var/log/syslog", that lets you scroll (you can exit with "q") ... or better use journalctl ...
[16:06] <konrados> ogra, thanks, doing that, sec
[16:11] <konrados> it starts up, I'll wait a bit. BTW, when installing kubuntu I told it do partinion the disk like it wants, I don't recall it mentioned swap, is this possible that by default there is no swap?
[16:14] <jhutchins> konrados: What tools might you use to see if there is active swap?
[16:15] <konrados> `swapon --show`
[16:15] <konrados> but this is an idea I just got now :)
[16:15] <jhutchins> konrados: How about top?
[16:16] <konrados> yeah, but I only right now thought about it
[16:16] <konrados> sec
[16:21] <konrados> jhutchins, both top and swapon says it's 2GB, so...? 4gb ram and 2gb swap, shouldn't that be enough? I really have installed and working kubuntu on 4GB withous issues... :)
[16:27] <`ryban> hi
[16:42] <konrados> on the syslog it's MIIO write fault, that is the last message... I didn't find something regard Mint. But... what should I do when I have ubuntu and only access to terminal (ctrl+alt+f2 when logging in)?
[16:42] <konrados> ogra, jhutchins ^ please... :)
[16:43] <konrados> I googled it's something about the gpu, but what now?
[16:45] <konrados> btw, I noticed there is something wrong with the display, I tried changing monitors and then replaced vga with dvi
[16:46] <konrados> I mean the display is flickering, which ever monitor I connect
[16:47] <konrados> but I did remove the dedicated gpu and connected the onboard one
[16:50] <konrados> Maybe I should try ubuntu 18? Is there anyone here please? :)
[16:58] <movah4c> konrados, get the name of your display manager /etc/X11/default-display-manager and disable it with "sudo systemd disable name_of_the_displaymanager.service"
[16:58] <movah4c> the install something like fluxbox
[16:59] <konrados> sec
[16:59] <movah4c> and look if you can login there with "xinit /usr/bin/fluxbox"
[17:02] <jhutchins> !fluxbox
[17:02] <jhutchins> Note that this has nothing to do with display drivers or management, it's just another desktop.
[17:05] <konrados> movah4c, jhutchins it's /usr/bin/sddm, but when I do sudo systemd disable sddm or  sudo systemd disable /usr/bin/sddm I can see "excess arguments:"
[17:06] <jhutchins> On the other hand, seeing that you're running older hardware, a lighter DM is a good idea.
[17:06] <konrados> jhutchins, I'm downloading kubuntu 18 now, but... it used to work
[17:07] <jhutchins> konrados: The fact that it was working, then it stopped is significant.  Did any changes happen at that time?  Is it possible some hardware is failing?
[17:07] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | konrados
[17:07] <leftyfb> konrados: if you're going to reinstall anything, why are you choosing a release that will be EOL next year?
[17:08] <konrados> jhutchins, leftyfb - on this particular pc windows 7 was working then stopped. Then I decided to install ubuntu. It doesn't work as well. But from what I know - nothing happened. There was no storm, no one split a cup of coffee on the pc, it looks fine. I
[17:09] <konrados> used the air, cleared everything, replaced almost everything (except cpu and the onboard gpu)
[17:09] <leftyfb> konrados: install Ubuntu 20.04
[17:09] <konrados> leftyfb, but this is what I tried an hour ago :)
[17:09] <konrados> it's there, kubuntu 20.x
[17:09] <konrados> 20.0x
[17:10] <konrados> 20.04
[17:10] <leftyfb> konrados: ok, so sounds like a hardware issue then, though I just joined and missed the original issues
[17:10] <genii> You might want to check hard drive integrity, for instance if SMART is complaining about impending doom
[17:10] <konrados> leftyfb, yeah, but it's weird... it stops working just after trying to login. Actually, for a minute I was able to login and then it worked fine, but only about a minute
[17:11] <leftyfb> konrados: so many something to do with the GPU hardware
[17:11] <konrados> yeah, genii but I tried two disks....
[17:11] <konrados> yeah, leftyfb - this is also my guess because the display is ... flickering :) just after I try to login
[17:12] <konrados> before that it works well
[17:12] <leftyfb> konrados: ok, so get a new video card or replace the motherboard
[17:12] <leftyfb> konrados: if it's a desktop, then it could also be a power supply issue
[17:12] <leftyfb> konrados: either way, you probably want #hardware at this point
[17:13] <konrados> leftyfb, actually it's more about "WTF is wrong", and I had an ambition to solve it :) It's not that this computer is important, there is another one, working fine, I am just curious why it behaves like this
[17:13] <leftyfb> konrados: ok, good luck
[17:14] <konrados> thanks :)
[17:15] <konrados> jhutchins - no, there were no changes. Except - it was on Windows 7, and it might got some upgrades. But to remove this variable from the equotation I decided to install fresh kubuntu.
[17:16] <jhutchins> konrados: If you really want to persue this, be methodical about it.  Define what the problem is, and make ONE change at a time.  It's a good idea to take notes so you know what you changed in what order.
[17:17] <konrados> jhutchins, yeah, I first removed one ram chip, then the other one, then the gpu, then replaced the disk :)
[17:17] <konrados> it's just crazy :) :)
[17:18] <jhutchins> Although your discussion is a bit all-over-the-board, it sounds a lot like a hardware failure.  Since the motherboard is the only thing you haven't changed, that looks like the culprit, but if the problem is only happening when you start a user session in a GUI, that doesn't quite make sense.
[17:18] <konrados> right!
[17:18] <leftyfb> it does if it' a GPU problem
[17:19] <leftyfb> or a power-starved GPU
[17:19] <leftyfb> also, electrons do weird stuff
[17:19] <jhutchins> leftyfb: He has tried more than one graphics card.
[17:19] <leftyfb> motherboard/power/GPU slot
[17:19] <jhutchins> leftyfb: At least I think so, his account is a bit scattered.
[17:20] <leftyfb> konrados: honestly, I would install Windows 10 and work with the folks in #hardware
[17:20] <konrados> But... how can I verify it?
[17:20] <jhutchins> Odd that a power problem would manifest after GUI startup, but at user session startup.
[17:20] <konrados> I mean, the gpu / power issue?
[17:20] <konrados> yeah
[17:24] <genii> Some ATI/AMD GPU have glitches like this where they get confused about the monitor's capabilities and send the wrong refresh rate
[17:24] <konrados> hmmm, I've just found a power supply in my "all the stuff room" - "akyga", 400W
[17:24] <konrados> genii, yeah, but it used to work :)
[17:25] <konrados> How can I know if this is worth changing the power supply or not? Considering it works until the login screen?
[17:25] <leftyfb> konrados: #hardware
[17:26] <konrados> leftyfb, I'm a dev :( I know I don't understand their language :)
[17:26] <konrados> I tried, you know I tried (it's a citation :))
[17:26] <leftyfb> konrados: this isn't the appropriate channel to diagnose hardware issues, not at this level anyway. /join #hardware
[17:27] <konrados> ok, thanks everyone!
[17:28] <leftyfb> konrados: let us know once you get your hardware issue sorted if you still need help installing or running ubuntu on it
[17:29] <konrados> leftyfb, yeah, I will, thanks again. jhutchins, ogra - thanks as well! :)
[18:36] <raxor2k> What is the difference if 1. I have 5 droplets hosted on digital ocean with 1 docker container in each of them,     OR i host only 1 droplet but i run all 5 docker containers inside the one droplet? will it be any different in terms of price/performance?
[18:37] <junebug> raxor2k, this isnt' digital ocean support channel
[18:37] <Maik> raxor2k: that's more of a digital ocean support question.
[18:38] <Maik> this is a Ubuntu support channel
[18:38] <junebug> Maik, they never did fix my wifi issue
[18:39] <dz> hi
[18:40] <ice9> anyone was able pair aipods with linux as headset?
[18:41] <Maik> junebug:I really can't help you with that. Ask Jeremy31 when he's around, he's more of a wifi and bluetooth wizard
[18:41] <junebug> k
[18:42] <Maik> we're all just volunteers here, not paid experts :)
[18:42] <marenz_> g'day
[18:43] <marenz_> I have a dual boot with ubuntu/windows and I'm looking for the easiest way to create an USB stick that, when plugged in, will make it boot windows and otherwise linux.
[18:43] <Maik> ice9: i don't use apple stuff, maybe try googling it if you have issues
[18:43] <marenz_> Currently it boots into grub and I have a few seconds to select what i want, but I'd prefer to use an usb stick as "trigger to boot into windows"
[18:44] <leftyfb> marenz_: that would be a #windows question
[18:45] <marenz_> leftyfb, interesting, I didn't know that it is a windows topic when you deal with grub and usb sticks...
[18:46] <leftyfb> marenz_: you want to boot your Windows installation from a usb drive. Not sure why you need grub at that point
[18:46] <marenz_> well, because so far grub is booting windows and it's on my hd. So the only thing I want to change would be that it's on a stick
[18:47] <marenz_> and with a different default option than the one on my hd
[18:47] <leftyfb> marenz_: why?
[18:47] <marenz_> Why I want this at all?
[18:47] <leftyfb> yes
[18:47] <marenz_> so I can turn on my PC without taking it by the hand and guide it to the OS i want to use this time. I just want to press a button and do other stuff in the meann tiem
[18:47] <marenz_> so I can turn on my PC without taking it by the hand and guide it to the OS i want to use this time. I just want to press a button and do other stuff in the mean time
[18:48] <marenz_> ah sorry, I am used to correct with arrow-up-key
[18:48] <marenz_> Call it quality of life improvement?
[18:51] <alkisg> marenz_: bios or uefi?
[18:52] <marenz_> uefi
[18:53] <alkisg> marenz_: one quick way is this one: https://github.com/alkisg/liveusb
[18:53] <alkisg> dd it to a usb stick and boot with it; it remembers the last choice so it'll automatically select windows the next time
[18:53] <alkisg> And if you boot without it, your internal grub will boot linux
[18:55] <marenz_> that sounds pretty exactly what I want, I'll check it out! Thanks!
[18:55] <alkisg> 👍️
[18:56] <alkisg> You'll need to edit grub.cfg a bit, to say "Boot Windows" instead of "Windows setup", and to set root=your hd instead of trying to boot windows from the usb
[18:57] <alkisg> I.e. just 2 lines
[18:58] <marenz_> I see your name in the repo. Your creation?
[19:09] <alkisg> marenz_: yes, I made it before ventoy was a thing, and I'm still using it when I need to boot 32bit OS under UEFI, as Ubuntu stopped supporting that
[19:09] <marenz_> it still boots uefi despite being an msdos tables
[19:09] <marenz_> ?(
[19:18] <Guest97> Hey guys.
[19:18] <Guest97> I have Windows 10 installed on my laptop and I made a separate 100GB partition to install Ubuntu on it.
[19:18] <Guest97> Do I need to disable Bitlocker and/or Secure Boot before attempting to install it or is it not necessary anymore?
[19:27] <ubuntu-mate_> #ubuntu
[19:28] <tomreyn> Guest97: i think this depends on how you will be switching between the two operating systems, if you will be using a uefi 'bios' provided boot menu to switch between the two, then i guess it can work. if, however, you will always boot the grub boot loader and use that to  branch between ubuntu and windows, then windows might not be happy with this setup, because its boot loader was not used.
[19:28] <tomreyn> ubuntu-mate_: yes, that's where you are
[19:30] <Swift110-mobile> ventoy is amazing
[19:30] <Swift110-mobile> I love how versatile that software is. in fact I have a 120 gb usb that I might use for it and just load it up with a whole bunch of distros
[19:50] <alkisg> marenz_: the stick supports both bios and uefi; you can select the mode by pressing f12 while the computer boots
[19:58] <webchat95> Hallo, habe Ubuntu PC und Handy ...
[20:01] <jhutchins> !de
[20:02] <webchat95> ok, thx
[20:18] <junebug> If I backup my home folder into a tar file can I read files in the backup with 700 permissions on a different machine?
[20:19] <sarnold> junebug: I'm not entirely sure I understand your question, but I think you're asking if tar will enforce uid restrictions within a tarball -- it will not
[20:20] <junebug> sarnold, thank you
[20:20] <Guest70> I am looking for an easy way to send open windows to corners. Ubuntu 20.4 user with default installation.
[20:20] <Guest70> $ gsettings list-recursively | grep 'org.gnome.mutter.keybindings'
[20:20] <Guest70> org.gnome.mutter.keybindings toggle-tiled-right ['<Super>Right']
[20:20] <Guest70> org.gnome.mutter.keybindings toggle-tiled-left ['<Super>Left']
[20:20] <Guest70> Super Left & Right is great for sending right and left so I just need corner equivalents of them.
[20:20] <Guest70> Happy to install an extension if it is possible...
[22:12] <Aavar> I have a open ssh server to the internet. I can see in my logs that many times a minute "someone" is trying to connect to it from different ip-adresses. Shoud I be worried?
[22:14] <sarnold> yes
[22:14] <Aavar> sarnold: What should I do other than close the port?
[22:14] <sarnold> whenever you stuff a new machine on the internet, it gets probed for a huge number of flaws nearly immediately, and if you've got unsafe configurations, or out of date software, it's entirely possible for a machine to be compromised within minutes
[22:15] <Aavar> sarnold: it is not out of date, but I does support password login...
[22:15] <sarnold> so, be sure to turn off ssh password authentication and use only ssh keys; do periodic checks of what services are listening on the machine, make sure they are properly configured; make sure unattended-upgrades is working correctly or you've otherwise got a mechanism to install updates in a timely manner..
[22:16] <Aavar> sarnold: so, turn of passwords it is then (I checked all the other boxes :))
[22:16] <Aavar> Thank you.
[22:16] <sarnold> Aavar: yay :)
[22:17] <agoodm> hi, anyone familiar with gdb/valgrind around?
[22:18] <Aavar> sarnold: is it simple/possible to have ssh passwords enabled locally, but not from the internet?
[22:18] <sarnold> Aavar: not easily, no; you can do that via two ssh daemons, two configs, etc. probably best to ignore that :)
[22:19] <Aavar> sarnold: tnx
[22:45] <PoliticsUSA> Here is an interesting oral argument from the North Carolina Supreme Court on criminal calendaring abuses. I cant believe this is happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TQOltG7zJc&t=4712s
[22:53] <agoodm> anyone here able to explain this? https://pastebin.com/1yHepfej I was expecting this, cblack or dmaxp to have uninit contents?
[22:59] <jhutchins> ~