=== genii is now known as genii-core === mirespace_ is now known as mirespace === ebarretto_ is now known as ebarretto === hlvs__ is now known as halves [15:59] o/ [15:59] o/ [16:00] o/ [16:00] #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team [16:00] Meeting started at 16:00:11 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:00] Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick [16:00] #topic Lightning Round [16:00] * bdmurray shuffles names like cards [16:00] ogayot xypron jawn-smith vorlon schopin waveform alexghiti sil2100 enr0n juliank mwhudson ginggs doko dbungert slyon bdmurray [16:00] * subiquity: [16:00] Still in call [16:01] * consolidated API for UA contract token [16:01] * still troubleshooting issues with overlays for third-party drivers [16:01] * whoopsie / apport: [16:01] * manual tests run in no-UI & UI mode [16:01] * regression when running whoopsie in path-based activation mode only [16:01] * working on another prototype with timer-based + path-based activation [16:01] * merge of python-testtools [16:01] * fix of mosquitto autopkgtest [16:01] (done) [16:01] since xypron is still in a call lets move to the next person [16:02] * ubuntu-image: [16:02] * Created https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11355 [16:02] Pull 11355 in snapcore/snapd "seed,image: Changes necessary for ubuntu-image to support preseeding extra snaps in classic images" [Open] [16:02] * Work done locally with full coverage for the ubuntu-image side of this [16:02] * Testing these changes on lots of architectures [16:02] * icu transition: [16:02] * aegisub: has been removed from the archive [16:02] * gspell: unrelated to icu. filed LP: # [16:02] * icu-ext: fix-uploaded [16:02] * libcolumbus: is unrelated to icu 70, but I uploaded a fix anyway. RISC-V still FTBFS [16:02] * libsimpleini: just needed a rebuild [16:02] * golang 1.18 transition: [16:02] * golang 1.18 does not play nicely with lto. New version of golang 1.18 uploaded to my ppa [16:02] * Once it has been published I will start no change rebuilds in my ppa [16:02] * Assisting security team with golang-modules [16:02] * LP: #1960083 include dirname in busybox to allow encrypted rootfs to boot again [16:02] Launchpad bug 1960083 in zfs-linux (Ubuntu) "dirname applet missing from initramfs" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960083 [16:02] * Proposed migration: ansible vs python3.10 [16:02] * submitted bug against dh-python for not cleaning broken symlinks [16:02] * Thanks ginggs for helping identify that the behavior should be fixed in ansible instead and moving the bug [16:02] [done] [16:02] Package cd-boot-images-riscv64 in preparation of installer images LP: #1960216 [16:02] Analyzed autopkgtest problems of package keras. Opted for deletion LP: #1959918 [16:02] Fix autopkgtests of package aiocoap: LP: #1959315 [16:02] Start packaging jh17xx-tools for recovering VisionFive board [16:02] [16:02] Launchpad bug 1960216 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Package cd-boot-images-riscv64" [Wishlist, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960216 [16:02] Launchpad bug 1959918 in keras (Ubuntu) "[REMOVE PACKAGE] keras" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959918 [16:02] Launchpad bug 1959315 in aiocoap (Ubuntu) "autopackage tests fail" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959315 [16:03] vorlon: [16:04] * processing Debian package removals, which led to [16:04] * reviewing our mlocate delta and porting it to plocate so that we can do the m/p-locate transition Debian has already done [16:04] * needs an MIR for this new codebase, if someone is in need of MIR experience [16:04] * spending some time on TB issues [16:04] * working on NBS cleanups; removed php8.0 from release finally [16:04] * doing interviews this week [16:04] (done) [16:04] schopin: [16:05] * rustc: worked on rustc 1.58.1 for the MIR, with multitude of smaller items in there [16:05] * distro: worked on several packages for the Python 3.10 migration [16:05] (done) [16:06] waveform: [16:06] * Investigated pi-bluetooth issue on UC18, UC20, and UC22 on CM4, 4B [16:06] * .. unable to replicate on 4B [16:06] * .. replicated on CM4 under UC20 and UC18; fixed on UC20, left UC18 as CM4 isn't supported there [16:06] * Finished tentative fix for debhelper restart issue (LP: #1959054) [16:06] * Incorporated fix for ^^ into debhelper merge (LP: #1960248) [16:06] * .. fix needs sponsorship, but also serious testing for any affected packages [16:06] Launchpad bug 1959054 in libvirt (Ubuntu Jammy) "debhelper restarts services marked --no-restart-on-upgrade" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959054 [16:06] * .. would also be good to grep the archive for any packages using --no-restart-{after,on}-upgrade in d/rules (how?) [16:06] Launchpad bug 1960248 in debhelper (Ubuntu) "Please merge debhelper 13.6 from Debian unstable." [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960248 [16:06] * Merged extra interface changes to pi-gadget [16:06] * Cherry-picked Pi Zero 2, and interface changes across UC20 & 22 branches (for both supported archs) [16:06] * Merged a few outstanding PRs on pi-gadget (including better build docs \o/) [16:06] * Worked on updated "classic" and "desktop" branches of pi-gadget (sorry, still not *quite* done!) [16:06] * Verification of linux-firmware-raspi{,2} SRUs [16:06] * Analyzed memory usage of "bare+idle" server system (non-essential RSS hogs in desc. order: snapd=21-32MB, multipathd=16-17MB, unattended-upgrades-shutdown=12-16MB, fwupd=15MB, networkd-dispatcher=12-15MB) [16:06] * Pi meetings [16:06] (done) [16:06] PlusOne maintenance [16:06] Pytest fixed uploaded by ginggs [16:06] Pytest-mpi fixed by tox upload by ginggs [16:06] Pytest-skip-markers fixed by pyfakefs update (https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/python-pyfakefs/-/merge_requests/1) [16:06] Python-ml-collection fixed uploaded by ginggs [16:06] Merge 1 in python-team/packages/python-pyfakefs "Bump to new release 4.5.4" [Opened] [16:06] Q2cli: upstream fix not enough  https://github.com/qiime2/q2cli/pull/260 [16:06] Shasta 0.8.0-1 always failed because of lack on memory in VM [16:06] Typer fixed by pytest-sugar https://github.com/Teemu/pytest-sugar/pull/231 [16:06] Pull 260 in qiime2/q2cli "dep: click8 support" [Open] [16:06] Pytest-sugar to upload [16:06] Unicycler fixed by spades update [16:06] Spades update ongoing [16:06] Pull 231 in Teemu/pytest-sugar "Remove deprecation warning from using distutils" [Open] [16:06] Toil may not support python 3.10 (https://github.com/DataBiosphere/toil/pull/3967) [16:06] Python-pip  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1004149 [16:06] Pull 3967 in DataBiosphere/toil "Add python 3.10 CI tests" [Open] [16:06] Libapache2-mod-python ongoing [16:06] Python-dugong ongoing [16:06] (done) [16:06] Debian bug 1004149 in python3-pip "python3-pip: Build isolation breaks editable system-wide installs" [Normal, Open] [16:07] I'm not sure sil2100 is going to make it [16:07] enr0n: [16:07] * MR merged for LP #1947581. [16:07] * Working on MR for LP #1959458. [16:07] * nanolyse vs python3-defaults (with bdmurray) [16:07] - Was failing due to minimap2 issue (LP #1960028) [16:07] - minimap2 in -proposed removed [16:07] - nanolyse autopkgtest succeeds with python3.10 and previous minimap2 version [16:07] * Administrative stuff [16:07] Launchpad bug 1947581 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Jammy) "Download times for 1Mbit DSL connection and 56k modem are meaningless" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947581 [16:07] Launchpad bug 1959458 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Jammy) "Lock screen disabling needs updating" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959458 [16:07] (done) [16:07] Launchpad bug 1960028 in minimap2 (Ubuntu) "python3-mappy: undefined symbol ksw_extz2_sse on several architectures" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960028 [16:08] juliank: [16:08] * grub2 upstream work [16:08] * reviewed grub2 riscv patchset [16:08] * proposed-migration djangorestframework [16:08] * reviewed shim submissions from: [16:08] - Isoo (https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/202) [16:08] Issue 202 in rhboot/shim-review "shim-15.4 for Isoo (2022-02-05)" [Open] [16:08] - OS ALT (accepted, https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/205) [16:08] Issue 205 in rhboot/shim-review "shim-15.4 + fixes1 (ia32, x64) for OS ALT (Bazalt Svobodnoe Programmnoe Obespechenie, OOO)" [Open] [16:08] - Microsoft CBL-Mariner (accepted with caveats, https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/223) [16:08] Issue 223 in rhboot/shim-review "Shim 15.4 + Critical Patches for CBL-Mariner 1.0 (cbl-mariner-shim-x64-20220107)" [Open] [16:08] * apt merges review [16:08] * lots of silly autopkgtest-cloud work to make amd64/i386 become more stable [16:08] - Retry stderr printing if we received EAGAIN :( [16:08] - Move /tmp/autopkgtest-run-wrapper to /var/tmp from /tmp, as the latter is deleted by systemd-tmpfiles which might run after we create the file [16:08] - use nova reboot to reboot in addition to reboot in the VM, to workaround broken network after reboot [16:08] - poked IS to restart OVS in lgw01 [16:08] - set ConnectionAttempts=20 in auxverb to work around flaky networking [16:08] - limit our lcy01 workers to 20 (from 28) as IS instituted a limit there [16:08] - limit our code to only boot one new VM every 30 seconds (per cloud) [16:08] (done) [16:09] ginggs: [16:09] * Working on FTBFS and autopkgtest regressions in Python 3.10-as-default transition [16:09] * FTBFS reports [16:09] * Sponsored some uploads; tox, pytest and python-ml-collections [16:09] (done) [16:09] - started the icu transistion [16:09] - going on with the perl transition [16:09] - currently handicapped by failing builds without logs. LP team is aware of this [16:09] - package removals related to icu and perl [16:09] (done) [16:09] * +1: bobcat vs icmake - send partial fix upstream (debbug 1004986), upstream [16:09] can reproduce core problem (endianness issue) [16:09] * python3.10 vs oz: collections -> collections.abc, LP: #1960273 [16:09] * subiquity - update storage/v2 to require a gap object for partition creation, [16:09] Launchpad bug 1960273 in oz (Debian) "FTBFS against python 3.10" [Unknown, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960273 [16:09] will be used later to control where on disk partitions are created [16:09] * subiquity - pick up partial branches from mwhudson on partition editing [16:09] * subiquity - fix issue where sensitive information could be logged to log [16:09] files, and tighten permissions on files that subiquity writes [16:09] (done) [16:09] - take-home test review [16:09] - MIR: improve protobuf-c packaging, to make it ready for main, LP: #1956617 [16:09] - merged sudo (still having issues on autopkgtest.u.c, working locally) [16:09] - systemd SRU for OEM team (Impish + prep-work for Focal), LP: #1955997 [16:09] === Netplan === [16:09] - more release planning & initial testing [16:09] Launchpad bug 1956617 in protobuf-c (Ubuntu) "[MIR] protobuf-c" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1956617 [16:09] Launchpad bug 1955997 in systemd (Ubuntu Impish) "The airplane hotkey has no function on a HP platform" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1955997 [16:09] - merged SmartNIC work https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/253 \o/ [16:09] - reviewed & merged https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/259 [16:09] - some discussions around OVS+GRE tunnel offloading [16:09] - experiemnts around netplan vs NetworkManager vs udev vs networkd allow- [16:09] and denylist integration, LP: #1951653 [16:09] (done) [16:09] Pull 253 in canonical/netplan "Enable eswitch mode setting on SmartNICs" [Merged] [16:09] Pull 259 in canonical/netplan "Have ConfigManager cleanup its temporary directory on destruction (LP #1959729)" [Merged] [16:09] Launchpad bug 1951653 in netplan.io (Ubuntu) "can't use NM for ethernet device on 20.04 LTS because it is 'strictly unmanaged'" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1951653 [16:10] review of and merging of the fix for LP: #1947581 [16:10] searched for duplicates of the above bug too [16:10] reported bug regarding /boot partition sizing LP: #1959971 [16:10] uploaded partman-auto for Focal with changes for the above [16:10] Launchpad bug 1947581 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Jammy) "Download times for 1Mbit DSL connection and 56k modem are meaningless" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947581 [16:10] Launchpad bug 1959971 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Jammy) "increase /boot partition size" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959971 [16:10] modified ubuntu-release-upgrader fallback initrd size estimate [16:10] merged, uploaded software-properties MP regarding ppa.launchpadcontent.net [16:10] pinged IS regarding firewall rule change for the above [16:10] updated mirrors, demotions etc for ubuntu-release-upgrader for Jammy [16:10] investigation into germinate with -updates (LP: #1921862) [16:10] submitted removal request for lupin (LP: #1960457) [16:10] no change rebuild of minimap2 for python3.10 [16:10] Launchpad bug 1921862 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Impish) "Call germinate with -updates" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1921862 [16:10] Launchpad bug 1960457 in lupin (Ubuntu) "Please remove lupin from the archive" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960457 [16:10] reran nanolyse tests for the above [16:10] uploaded python-apt, ubuntu-release-upgrader for 20.04.4 [16:10] met with ogayot regarding whoopsie and apport-noui [16:10] sru-reviews and releases [16:10] preparing for and conducting interviews [16:10] mentoring [16:10] ✔ done [16:10] any questions on status? [16:12] #topic Team proposed-migration report [16:12] #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs [16:12] wrong #topic? [16:13] yes [16:13] #topic Release Incoming Bugs [16:13] bug 1960263 [16:13] Bug 1960263 in pillow (Ubuntu) "python-pil-doc fails to build in jammy" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960263 [16:14] Is anybody looking at this with the the python3.10 transition? [16:14] It doesn't sound like it so lets just card it [16:15] I was not aware of it, it did build recently on 2022-01-10 [16:15] bug 1958720 is tagged server-todo so let's see if they get it done [16:15] Bug 1958720 in pyyaml (Ubuntu) "python3-yaml and python3-six are not co-installable with python-is-python2 in jammy" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958720 [16:16] bug 1960089 [16:16] Bug 1960089 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Jammy) "Ubiquity Boot Partition for LVM needs to be 2.0 GB for 22.04LTS" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960089 [16:16] there is no python-is-python2 in jammy anymore [16:16] doko: Can you comment on the bug? [16:17] As I understand it some users are installing multiple flavors of kernels (e.g. oem and stock) and /boot partition size calculation only provides room for one flavor of kernel. [16:17] And when someone's /boot partition becomes full it is a rather difficult situation to recover from. [16:18] vorlon: Do you have an opinion here? [16:18] I could also write chunks of /dev/random to /boot and run it out of space but I don't think that's something we should be taking into consideration when sizing /boot at install time [16:19] I do not think a user having two kernel metapackages installed in parallel is a supported use case [16:19] How will users know that though? It seems like an easy mistake to make. [16:19] Perhaps we could warn the user when installing a new kernel metapackage? [16:20] how are these users coming up with the idea to manually install a different kernel metapackage than the one selected for them by the installer? [16:20] you don't get there from the gui [16:20] is someone giving bad advice on the Internet telling them to run apt? [16:21] the user on that bug is making the case that they have users intentionally using 2 or 3 kernels [16:21] schopin: the UX for being able to pop such a warning makes that difficult [16:21] you get two kernel flavors if you upgrade from oem, fwiw, but I'm not sure how this ends up in terms of kernel count [16:21] dbungert: well, I think it's clearly intentional, I just don't think it's sensible [16:21] Ubuntu Studio users seem to switch between the lowlatency and generic kernel [16:22] Their calculation is off in any case [16:22] bdmurray: anyway my view is that there needs to be a broader design discussion here, perhaps on ubuntu-devel, not buried in a bug report [16:22] as we keep 3 kernels, and our calculation is to allocate space for 2*3 kernels (and initrds) [16:22] vorlon: I'm inclined to agree but with my installer hat on it's hard to know how to respond to this [16:22] Yeah, I'd use our calculation but just adjust it for 2 kernel flavors if appropriate [16:22] historically [16:23] juliank: AIUI you end up with two kernel metapackages but one is supposed to be a dummy pointing to the other, and any resulting increase in installed kernels is a bug [16:23] it should be [16:23] can flavours hook into the installer at this stage? [16:23] Okay, I'll suggest they bring it up on the ubuntu-devel mailing list. [16:24] Please point to the old bug with the calculation we did [16:24] :) [16:24] Well cyphermox did I think [16:24] the most recent calculations in u-r-u are mine working with bdmurray, AFAIK [16:24] I did in our irc chat about it [16:24] also we do have a card to reevaluate size of /boot already, no? [16:25] juliank: yes, its assigned to me and I upload partman-auto for focal. I'm waiting on impression for compression decsisions [16:25] ok [16:25] s/impression/jammy/ [16:25] okay so bug 1959362 [16:25] Bug 1959362 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "'Launch using dedicated graphics card' option absent (nvidia, proprietary drivers, on-demand PRIME mode)" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959362 [16:26] Let's ask seb if they are working on it [16:26] bug 1960255 [16:26] Bug 1960255 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Prevent do-release-upgrades on P8 systems from focal or impish to jammy" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960255 [16:26] - Setup a password for Secure Boot MOK enrollment [16:26] sorry, that's on the ubiquity bug [16:26] u-r-u that's a no-brainer [16:26] does that mean ubiquity failed to get the signed nvidia drivers for them? [16:27] Yes, there has been similar work done with u-r-u so let's target and card that. [16:27] (but yes, desktop can have it for now) [16:27] the nvidia issue happens occassionally I think [16:27] :| [16:27] I've seen other bugs about that in the past weeks, I think they're working on those [16:28] bug 1959759 [16:28] Bug 1959759 in linux-firmware-raspi (Ubuntu) "Please remove bluez-firmware from sync denylist" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959759 [16:29] that has ubuntu-archive subscribed to it, is that enough? [16:29] that's in the ubuntu-archive team queue, I don't think it belongs in the rls-jj-incoming escalation path [16:29] okay [16:31] #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html [16:31] bug 1959085 [16:31] Bug 1959085 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 21.10 boot stuck in initramfs" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959085 [16:33] let's add a zfsutils task and let the kernel team look at it [16:34] added [16:34] the rls-ff-incoming list just has the /boot size bug [16:34] so that's it from bugs [16:34] #topic Team proposed-migration report [16:34] #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs [16:34] 126 packages needing attention, 14 packages not yet considered late [16:34] looks quite dire [16:35] the first couple are ruby-defaults, --> server team [16:35] python-click is the mailman3 issue, which is with mwhudson and unblocked now (we will remove mailman3 as Debian has) [16:35] Is there / does there need to be a bug opened for that? [16:35] python3-defaults is looking much better, with only a short list of blockers; are these all assigned out or otherwise in progress? [16:35] bdmurray: we will need a removal bug with ubuntu-archive subscribed [16:36] No, we did not assign everything out [16:36] so I have barbican assigned to me and I think I would like to pass it on to someone else [16:36] it's now clarified that we want to remove mailman3 [16:36] LP: #1959626 [16:36] Launchpad bug 1959626 in barbican (Ubuntu) "barbican autopkgtests fail with python3.10" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959626 [16:36] I can take that [16:36] Regarding python3-default: I am taking a look at all the packages after pytest [16:36] the mosquitto ones will just need retrying with python3-defaults [16:36] slyon: thanks [16:37] when apache2 is restarted with libpython3.10 loaded, the wsgi requests hang with no useful logs [16:37] so someone more conversant with wsgi should look at it [16:37] I'll have a look at faiss since it's ppc64el [16:38] alexghiti: are you still working on libapache2-mod-python? looks like you were assigned to it last week [16:38] vorlon: Yes, apache2 segfault and I struggle to understand why [16:38] I want to update the package to see if it helps [16:38] ok [16:39] then it sounds like the remaining blockers are handled [16:39] then we have a series of packages waiting for python3 and/or ruby... [16:39] LP: #1960088 is tagged server-todo [16:39] Launchpad bug 1960088 in libapache2-mod-python (Ubuntu) "a) 'collections' has no attribute 'callable'; b) PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960088 [16:40] Ahah thanks, same segfault as mine [16:41] media-types has a python3.9 autopkgtest regression on ppc64el, I'll look at this it's probably a false positive (and ultimately ignorable because python3.9) [16:41] opensbi, I heard some back chatter about this - alexghiti are you working on this? [16:41] Yes, I'll do that next week [16:41] thanks [16:42] linux-firmware-raspi, is this blocked by bluez-firmware or something else? [16:44] "unsatisfiable dependency" so I assume it's related and already handled, moving on [16:44] and then we start getting into autopkgtest waits (libwww-perl) [16:44] initramfs-tools vs klibc warrants someone looking at it [16:45] ogayot: could you look at initramfs-tools/klibc? [16:45] sure [16:45] xypron: could you look at pillow? [16:46] ok [16:46] glibc, I'm not sure the status of these, I'll skip over them for now [16:47] oh, python3.9/ppc64el also blocking glibc, that's fun; I'll certainly look at that one [16:47] systemd autopkgtest blocking linux-meta-aws, jawn-smith can you look? [16:47] sure [16:48] cross-toolchain-base: schopin? [16:48] ack [16:48] cdebconf: waveform? [16:48] vorlon, ack [16:48] busybox vs. casper: sil2100 ? [16:49] casper issue is a known problem, I suggest retest [16:49] gdbm: enr0n? [16:49] vorlon: ACK o/ [16:49] can do [16:49] ...or just a re-test then [16:49] and then there are piles of perl stuff I'm not going to dig into [16:49] sorry I didn't find enough to assign one to everyone [16:50] but if you didn't get one feel free to dive in and grab something else to look at :) [16:50] bdmurray: [16:50] #topic AOB [16:50] I believe Monday is a US holiday [16:50] I'll be off tomorrow [16:50] isn't it next Monday? [16:51] fix zeek, zzuf ftbfs please [16:51] It's the day after the super bowl, which should be a holiday :) [16:51] Oh, I'm off by one [16:51] Okay, if there is nothing else. [16:51] Thanks everybody. [16:52] #endmeeting [16:52] Meeting ended at 16:52:00 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-02-10-16.00.moin.txt [16:52] o/ [16:52] o/ [17:31] bdmurray: For clarification, it's not Ubuntu Studio. It's Kubuntu Focus (OEM laptop) users. [17:32] Hence the OEM kernel being a factor. [17:34] bdmurray: Additionally, it's mostly due to a bug in PackageKit (which KDE Discover uses as a backend) which causes packages that were originally marked as auto to be marked as manual when upgrading. [17:34] Doesn't have much to do with having more than one kernel flavor installed, though that can be a factor. [17:35] The problem is there's no safety net when the /boot directory overfills. [17:36] *sigh* this should be in #ubuntu-devel. [17:53] Eickmeyer: Having the discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list would be best as this seems like an involved conversation [18:26] making /boot bigger does not solve the problem of there not being a safety net when the /boot directory overfills. [18:26] and yes, ubuntu-devel please [20:00] bdmurray, vorlon: tada https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman-hyperkitty/+bug/1960547 [20:00] Launchpad bug 1960547 in mailman3 (Ubuntu) "please remove mailman3, mailman-hyperkitty" [Undecided, New] [20:00] mwhudson: thanks === genii is now known as genii-core