[00:03] <cluelessperson> I can't print this paperwork I have to get notarized.
[00:03] <cluelessperson> the printer says "out of memory"
[00:20] <newpy> hey I used fn+f9 to disable my mouse pad, and afte re-enabling it two-finger scrolling doesn't work
[00:20] <newpy> (ubuntu 20.04.3 lts)
[00:23] <carnophage2> your... mousepad?
[00:23] <carnophage2> Mine usually works no matter what i do.
[00:30] <newpy> carnophage2, my laptop touchpad I mean
[00:37] <semitones> Fetched 274 MB in 1min 36s (2,845 kB/s) -- is it normal for apt update to fetch this much stuff???
[00:37] <newpy> can anyone help with a touchpad issue?
[00:38] <newpy> I disabled touchpad (fn+f9 on my laptop) and after re-enabling two-finger scrolling no longer works
[00:39] <sarnold> semitones: it really depends on how many packages you've got installed, how long it's been since you've last updated, how many packages have been updated in the meantime, etc..
[00:40] <sarnold> newpy: you could try fiddling with xinput to try to re-enable whatever changed, but it might be easier to reboot and see what happens
[00:40] <semitones> maybe I never payed a lot of attention before, but i was wondering if there was some big change in the repos
[00:40] <semitones> because I've never known it to be that much data
[00:46] <jhutchins> semitones: It's possible a marker got misplaced and you re-synced the whole repo catalog instead of just recent changes.  Still, it's just text, shouldn't be a problem.
[00:47] <sarnold> semitones: kernel packages are kinda big, check out the -extra- package, 37 megs right there https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa2/+build/23123946
[01:01] <semitones> yeah those are pretty big
[01:02] <semitones> jhutchins, that makes sense, that's probably what happened. Imagine a text file 274 MB long!
[01:36] <Guest7025> When my Ubuntu virtual machine restarts, I always get stuck in the error of "started user manager for uid 1000". Does anyone know why?
[01:37] <sarnold> is there anything in journalctl that suggests what else is going on?
[01:38] <branon> is the Radeon RX 6500 XT supported in 21.10? I added one to my PC but "About" shows llvmpipe as the graphics device, `neofetch` outputs AMD ATI 09:00.0 Device 743f
[01:38] <branon> and it doesn't seem like I have hardware-accelerated 3D
[01:38] <branon> I tried updating to latest Mesa but no dice, perhaps I need a mainline kernel?
[01:38] <branon> or potentially I have to do this https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ to get the correct drivers?
[01:41] <branon> trying mainline kernel first
[01:42] <Bashing-om> branon: Michael says " The Radeon RX 6500 XT does work with the current open-source Linux driver stack " : https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeon-rx6500xt-linux&num=1 .
[01:42] <sarnold> https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6500-xt suggests it was released two weeks ago
[01:43] <sarnold> I wonder if amd pushed the firmware files for it earlier or not..
[01:44] <branon> mainline kernel needs libssl3, blast
[01:44] <branon> do I clobber my 21.10 files with a bunch of packages from 22.04...
[01:44] <branon> Bashing-om: yeah that's how I know this works at all
[01:45] <oerheks> Radeon™ Software for Linux® installer version 21.40.2 for Ubuntu 20.04.3
[01:45] <oerheks> LTS only, i guess
[01:46] <sarnold> if you know the name of your device you could probably just grab the files from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/amdgpu
[01:48] <Bashing-om> !info xf86-video-amdgpu impish
[01:48] <sarnold> xf86? oh my
[01:50] <branon> k, so i installed latest mainline with the `mainline` graphical util
[01:50] <Bashing-om> !info xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu impish
[01:50] <branon> and then did this horrible thing https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/685830/how-to-use-5-16-kernel-with-ubuntu-21-10
[01:50] <branon> i actually misread the answer and performed the steps for 20.04 despite being on 21.10
[01:51] <branon> despite this, the thing still boots and identifies my GPU as beige goby
[01:51] <branon> same as Michael's blog post
[01:51] <branon> neofetch still doesn't see it correctly but let's see if games still crash or not
[01:52] <sarnold> oof, did you install newer libc6 and friends?
[01:52] <branon> i installed everything in that google drive link on the answer
[01:53] <branon> which was a mistake but I think was actually the correct thing to do
[01:53] <branon> because without those deps i'd have killed the system?
[01:53] <branon> """correct""" lol
[01:54] <branon> hey, fallout 4 runs at 60 fps on high preset now
[01:54] <sarnold> lol
[01:54] <sarnold> well, sounds like it worked okay.. but I suggest upgrading to 22.04 at your soonest convenience
[01:54] <branon> this just feels wrong though, i wonder how badly i just screwed my future self when--
[01:54] <branon> yeah, when 22.04 comes out
[02:02] <branon> can i upgrade to 22.04 el cheapo by just replacing sources.list entries or is there some other way to get it before it actually goes live?
[02:02] <sarnold> do-release-upgrade -d
[02:03] <branon> sweet
[02:04] <branon> hm, 22.04 only has a 5.15 kernel but i installed 5.16.8 latest mainline
[02:05] <branon> i guess the release upgrader will probably install 5.15 but the system will likely never boot into it
[02:13] <Guest7025> When my Ubuntu virtual machine restarts, I always get stuck in the error of "started user manager for uid 1000". Does anyone know why?
[02:13] <Guest7025> Has anyone ever had a similar problem?
[02:14] <sarnold> did you find anything in the journalctl output that looked relevant?
[02:14] <Guest7025> I'm stuck in the Ubuntu startup interface now
[02:15] <Guest7025> The last sentence is "started user manager for uid 1000"
[02:15] <Guest7025> The system is no longer running
[02:56] <jhutchins> semitones: Be glad we're not dealing with RPM.  Far more pieces of info for each package, and the repo holds every single package ever posted for that release since it went live.  (That allows rollbacks.)
[02:56] <jhutchins> The RHEL5 repos are HUGE.
[03:01] <branon> there's a good blog post somewhere about how insane the rpm file format is, how a lot of the data in the headers isn't even used
[03:01] <branon> was fun to read, will have to look for it again
[03:02]  * branon zzz
[03:54] <Lebela> hi
[03:54] <Lebela> I was sent over here by the #bash channel
[03:54] <pagios> Lebela: hi
[03:54] <sarnold> hello
[03:54] <Lebela> hi pagios
[03:54] <Lebela> hi sarnold
[03:54] <Lebela> my external hard drive often stops working while writing it
[03:55] <Lebela> I am writing large files to it with "ffmpeg" and all of a sudden writing fails (ffmpeg error) and the popup comes from KDE asking me if I wanted to mount the newly attached hard drive
[03:55] <Lebela> the error in ffmpeg reads:
[03:55] <sarnold> ouch :/
[03:55] <Lebela> av_interleaved_write_frame(): Read-only file system0:49.46 bitrate=1554504.8kbits/s speed=0.121x
[03:55] <Lebela> Error writing trailer of /mnt/ext1/file.mp4: Read-only file systemkbits/s speed=0.121x
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[03:55] <Lebela> oops, I pasted 1 line too much
[03:55] <Lebela> that was when I was sent over to this channel ;)
[03:56] <Lebela> how can I catch the error?
[03:56] <sarnold> check dmesg -- probably there's something near the end that reports an error
[03:58] <Lebela> https://dpaste.org/r3b6/raw
[03:59] <Lebela> the only thing that I can think of that I did wrong is using a traditional micro USB cable as I cannot buy these "double micro usb" cables here
[03:59] <Lebela> the cables that have a micro-usb next to a bigger micro-usb
[03:59] <Lebela> but it has always worked so far for the past 5 months
[03:59] <Lebela> this error comes since about a week
[04:00] <sarnold> Lebela: hmmm, curious.. I wonder if that double-cable is necessary to supply power on *both* cables for the device
[04:01] <Lebela> but it also worked for the past 5 months
[04:01] <sarnold> Lebela: there's also a chrome segfault in here, there's lots of possible reasons for that.. but insufficient or unreliable power is a possibilty there, too
[04:04] <Lebela> thank you sarnold
[04:04] <Lebela> I am trying to find a different cable
[04:06] <sarnold> Lebela: many years ago I had an external usb enclosure that would go to sleep during inactivity. I hated that drive so much. but if you're in the middle of writing to it, that's less likely :)
[04:07] <Lebela> sarnold, you could have run a cronjob that touches (touch command) a file on the external HD every X seconds and then deletes it
[04:08] <Lebela> sarnold, how can I delete everything in dmesg?
[04:08] <sarnold> Lebela: I think what I did when I used it was fire up a "while true ; do sleep 10 ; touch foo ; done" command
[04:08] <Lebela> sarnold, yep, equally good #while
[04:08] <sarnold> Lebela: normally you don't bother, it's a ring-buffer, so you don't get any more memory back by doing so
[04:09] <sarnold> dmesg -c and dmesg -C can do that, but I've never run either of them :) heh
[04:11] <Lebela> sarnold, I just tried what you said - the uppercase -C worked for me
[04:11] <Lebela> thank you
[04:13] <sarnold> Lebela: I'm headed out for the night.. my thoughts (a) power causes weird problems, it's worth considering replacing system power supplies, or trying external power supplies for usb hubs, etc, (b) that segfault *might* be a hardware fault due to memory, or due to power... memtest86 or memtest86+ could help find out if you've got bad memory. *maybe* bad memory could lead to this read-only filesystem
[04:13] <sarnold> problem, too, I'm less sure
[04:13] <sarnold> Lebela: good night, good luck ;)
[04:13] <Lebela> thank you, sleep well :)
[04:13] <sarnold> :)
[04:39] <Lebela> re
[04:39] <Lebela> I would like to disable all logging
[04:39] <Lebela> 1) I opened  "/etc/rsyslog.conf"
[04:40] <Lebela> 2) I commented the line starting with:   $IncludeConfig
[04:40] <Lebela> 3) service rsyslog restart
[04:40] <Lebela> Error:
[04:40] <Lebela> $ sudo service rsyslog restart
[04:40] <Lebela> Job for rsyslog.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
[04:40] <Lebela> See "systemctl status rsyslog.service" and "journalctl -xeu rsyslog.service" for details.
[04:41] <Lebela> the moment I remove the hash which I added in 2) it works again
[04:41] <Lebela> Question:  How to really disable logging (also after rebooting)
[04:41] <tomreyn> the easiest way to disable rsyslogd is probably to uninstall it, second easiest will be to mask the systemd service unit
[04:41] <Lebela> my own idea would be:   sudo chattr +i /var/log/
[04:41] <Lebela> not sure if that's good
[04:42] <tomreyn> but you'll still have systemd-journald logging also
[04:42] <tomreyn> why no logs, though? that's rather unusual
[04:42] <Lebela> uninstalling could be a bad thing, because I might need it someday
[04:42] <Lebela> tomreyn, because I am editing 4K videos and I need every tiny little bit of space on my device
[04:42] <Lebela> I cannot afford the logs eat up so many gigabytes
[04:43] <tomreyn> how many are they eating up now?
[04:43] <Lebela> 4 GB
[04:43] <Lebela> it's a small amount, I know, but I just ran out of space while rendering and it was about 2 GB
[04:43] <tomreyn> hmm, well then i'd just get more / larger disks
[04:43] <tomreyn> and have the video editing take place on a different file system for sure
[04:43] <Lebela> where does the systemd-journald logging get stored?
[04:43] <Lebela> also in /var/log?
[04:43] <tomreyn> yes, /var/log/journal
[04:44] <Lebela> I try to chattr +i  my way out of this misery now
[04:44] <Lebela> brb
[04:44] <tomreyn> chattr -i will most likely have adverse side effects.
[04:44] <tomreyn> like processes cnosuming much cpu because they loop
[04:44] <tomreyn> well, not most likely, but it's well possible
[04:45] <tomreyn> it's probably not the best approach achieve your goals
[04:45] <Lebela> ok then chattr is no option
[04:45] <Lebela> I need the cpu for my videos
[04:46] <tomreyn> so how about get 'more storage' and 'store files you work with on a different file system'?
[04:47] <Lebela> yep, I will have to go down that road
[04:47] <Lebela> thank you tomreyn !
[04:47] <Lebela> oh, one more thing:
[04:47] <Lebela> you said, chattr +i loops all the time
[04:47] <Lebela> only when somebody tries to write to said directory?
[04:47] <tomreyn> no, not what i said
[04:47] <Lebela> or _always_ ?
[04:49] <tomreyn> i meant to say that if you do    chattr +i /var/log    you may have processes which repeatedly try to write logs there but fail to do so, which could drive up i/o and cpu reseouce allocation
[04:49] <tomreyn> *resource
[04:50] <tomreyn> this is a theory, but it seems like a likely scenario to me. i didnt express this well originally, sorry.
[04:51] <Lebela> thank you for the clarification!  The misunderstanding most likely happened on my end, though!  Sorry
[04:52] <tomreyn> no worries :)
[04:52] <Lebela> I am heading out for a while!
[04:52] <Lebela> thank you!
[04:52] <Lebela> oh no
[04:52] <Lebela> wait, one more thing
[04:52] <Lebela> when I boot my computer, my soundserver reports a crash
[04:52] <Lebela> however, sound works in Chrome  (youtube, etc.)
[04:53] <Lebela> but: the "beep" command fails
[04:53] <Lebela> and I really need my "beep" command to work
[04:53] <Lebela> this way, I can let scripts run and get beeped when they are finished
[04:53] <Lebela> $ beep
[04:53] <Lebela> beep: Error: Could not open any device
[04:54] <Lebela> I just tried this:
[04:54] <Lebela> sudo env -i beep
[04:54] <Lebela> but to no avail
[04:55] <tomreyn> Lebela: i think "beep" usually tries to output a sound on an internal pc speaker (a "buzzer"), bypassing the sound card
[04:56] <tomreyn> though there are also implmentations which will output a single frequency sound via the sound card.
[04:57] <tomreyn> s/sound card/onboard audio chipset/
[04:57] <Lebela> what is the easiest no-trouble way of making my bash script beep?
[04:57] <matsaman> Lebela: possibly 'echo', but perhaps more realistically you should simply use mplayer, mpv, or aplay
[04:58] <matsaman> or: echo 'Hey hey, the thing is done!' | flite
[04:58] <Lebela> wow, I can even output text?!
[04:58] <Lebela> thank you!!
[04:58] <matsaman> text on the screen, you could use xosd, libaosd, screen-message/s-m
[04:58] <matsaman> flite is text-to-speech
[04:58] <Lebela> matsaman, text on screen does not help
[04:59] <matsaman> although the voices are not super natural
[04:59] <Lebela> I will be in bed, watching youtube while the script runs
[04:59] <matsaman> right
[04:59] <Lebela> the scripts run between 1-3 hours
[04:59] <Lebela> so it would really be nice to get informed about the steps
[04:59] <matsaman> flite would be text-to-speech
[04:59] <Lebela> like "I just finished..."
[04:59] <Lebela> thank you matsaman
[04:59] <matsaman> yeah
[04:59] <Lebela> also thank you tomreyn
[04:59] <matsaman> echo 'Hey step number five is done my dude' | flite
[04:59] <tomreyn> you're welcome, Lebela
[04:59] <Lebela> hahahaha
[04:59] <Lebela> that sounds soooo coool
[04:59] <Lebela> omg flite!!!!
[04:59] <Lebela> hahaha it's cooooool
[05:00] <Lebela> thank you sooooooooo much man!
[05:00] <matsaman> it's pretty cool, there are a few voices it comes with, one or two are better than the others, but they all suffice
[05:00] <Lebela> I need to use this for my kid!
[05:00] <matsaman> for sure
[05:00] <Lebela> "hey, kiddo, back to doing HOMEWORK"
[05:00] <matsaman> heh
[05:00] <Lebela> ha that is great
[05:00] <Lebela> thank you so much :)
[05:00] <matsaman> "Child, I have become sentient. Feed me schoolwork enthusiasm!"
[05:01] <Lebela> I have done so many useful things in the past couple of weeks,  but flite is pure fun :)
[05:01] <matsaman> plus you can send commands to their computer from your phone or whatever =P
[05:01] <Lebela> holy cow!  yes!  wait... let me think that through.
[05:01] <matsaman> also, if they've seen the matrix
[05:01] <Lebela> a cronjob on the computer, checking a textfile on a webserver, outputting the text there, and then sending back a signal to the webserver to empty the file?
[05:01] <matsaman> you could install cool-retro-term
[05:02] <matsaman> and send them matrix-style text messages =P
[05:02] <Lebela> installing
[05:02] <matsaman> well you could just send a command over ssh, echo foo | flite, but
[05:02] <matsaman> if you wanted you could indeed set up a little web server / webUI
[05:02] <matsaman> just exposed to your local network
[05:03] <matsaman> and you type in some text and hit submit, and it runs it through flite on the computer
[05:03] <Lebela> ssh'ing onto their computer via a phone is more time-consuming than a phonegap app
[05:03] <matsaman> yup
[05:03] <Lebela> that just sends a text via wget to a server
[05:03] <matsaman> especially if you're stuck with something horrible like an iPhone
[05:03] <Lebela> wget can post stuff
[05:03] <Lebela> matsaman, android
[05:03] <Lebela> but, honestly, I am fed up with Android at this point
[05:04] <Lebela> I mean, c'mon, I have to work extra hard to get root access?
[05:04] <matsaman> android's lovely, it's really easy to ssh from a terminal on android, but yeah a webUI would be better
[05:04] <Lebela> and then the OS updates don't go through any more?
[05:04] <matsaman> oh yeah, I mean
[05:04] <Lebela> I need normal root access without being oppressed afterwards
[05:04] <matsaman> it's trash, it's just 10000 times better than iOS
[05:04] <Lebela> my tablet still has Android 5
[05:04] <Lebela> just because it's rooted
[05:05] <matsaman> no lineageos or anything?
[05:05] <Lebela> I am afraid of bricking my phone
[05:05] <matsaman> =)
[05:05] <Lebela> Why can't we have Linux on phones?
[05:05] <matsaman> might want to be afraid of security exploits, too, though
[05:05] <matsaman> you can
[05:05] <Lebela> I _can_ ?
[05:05] <matsaman> there are a few reasonable linux phones you can get right now
[05:05] <Lebela> I thought they died off many years ago
[05:06] <matsaman> probably a little expensive compared to the average with-contract android phone, though
[05:06]  * Lebela googles
[05:06] <matsaman> nah, that will never die
[05:06] <Lebela> the problem is, that everything is geared towards Android and iOS
[05:06] <matsaman> Ubuntu still is working on it, even, apparently: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[05:06] <Lebela> the apps...
[05:06] <matsaman> pinephone is the last one I heard of
[05:06] <Lebela> or can I emulate Android apps on a Linux phone?
[05:06] <matsaman> well, with a real linux phone you can use regular apps
[05:06] <matsaman> you could actually, yeah
[05:07] <matsaman> I doubt I would, I can't think of any android-specific software worth the hoops
[05:07] <Lebela> pinephone:  Main Camera: Single OV5640, 5MP, 1/4″, LED Flash
[05:07] <matsaman> but you could
[05:07] <Lebela> that's a dealbreaker
[05:08] <matsaman> if you need a bananas camera, probably look for some google phone that you can root, and put in the time to replace the OS so it can be maintained
[05:08] <Lebela> a google pixel, huh?
[05:08] <matsaman> maybe, I don't keep track
[05:08] <Lebela> they should work well with lineageos
[05:08] <Lebela> sorry for going so offtopic
[05:08]  * matsaman shrugs
[05:08] <Lebela> that somehow developed in our communication, I did not plan for it
[05:09] <matsaman> I should get some sleep for a change. Later on
[05:09] <tomreyn> you can always invite each other to move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:09] <Lebela> cool-retro-term  <== cool!
[05:10] <Lebela> can I run this in full screen mode?
[05:10] <matsaman> yup
[05:11] <matsaman> has a handful of different themes, each with unique prefs
[05:11] <Lebela> thank you :)
[05:11] <Lebela> sleep well, matsaman
[05:11] <matsaman> 'Follow the white rabbit'
[05:12] <mannequin> don't follow rabid rabbits
[07:04] <DarkTrick> **Q** Is there some way to easily create files in memory only without setting up tmpfs? Like echo 'hello' > memory://test.txt
[07:10] <rfm> DarkTrick, in ubuntu there should be a ramdisk on /run/user/<uid> for your convenience
[07:12] <rfm> DarkTrick, and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR points there
[07:15] <DarkTrick> rfm, thank you!
[07:15] <DarkTrick> rfm, do you happen to have suggested resources regarding run? (cant find much)
[07:18] <DarkTrick> maybe solved: Just stumbled across https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
[07:19] <rfm> DarkTrick, freedesktop.org is probably the root but things are very confused
[07:19] <DarkTrick> rfm, "things are very confused" -> can you explain more?
[07:21] <rfm> DarkTrick, there is not consenus on exactly everywhere things go in a Linux desktop.
[07:22] <rfm> DarkTrick, you should certainly look at the Linux filesystem standare, around which there is pretty good consensus:https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html
[07:22] <DarkTrick> rfm, looks like I have enough to read for tonight :)
[07:23] <DarkTrick> rfm, thank you!
[08:09] <VadimP> I'm upgrading to 21.10 and the process has not moved in 15mins, it is stuck on "Configuring libssh-gcrypt-4 (amd64)". What should I do?
[08:10] <VadimP> I was also running low on disk space during the process which I fixed.
[08:13] <ducasse> VadimP: if you break it, you can normally finish it with 'dpkg --configure -a' and 'apt install -f'
[08:14] <VadimP> so I can xkill the stuck 'distribution upgrade' dialog and run those commands afterwards?
[08:15] <ducasse> yes, usually. unless you're really unlucky that should work
[08:15] <ducasse> kill it with ctrl+c
[08:22] <VadimP> I used ctrl+c, accepted the confirmation, but nothing is happening still even after waiting a while and trying it again a few times. Time for xkill?
[08:25] <ducasse> are you running the upgrade from the gui?
[08:25] <VadimP> correct
[08:26] <ducasse> then try xkill or kill the process
[08:26] <VadimP> did that, dpkg now says `dpkg: error: dpkg database lock was locked by another process with pid 71421`
[08:27] <ducasse> 'kill 71421'
[08:28] <VadimP> that worked, thank you. It's continuing but there are complaints along the way - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ScyNNjYJHF/
[08:29] <VadimP> it's saying that for a lot of packages
[08:30] <ducasse> you might need to run those a couple times each
[08:30] <ducasse> finish with 'apt full-upgrade'
[08:31] <VadimP> dpkg stopped because of too many errors - do I run dpkg many times again, or do I run apt install next?
[08:31] <EriC^> VadimP: it seems that /var/cache/debconf/config.dat being locked is the problem
[08:32] <VadimP> what should I do about that?
[08:32] <EriC^> well, you could restart and see if the lock goes away
[08:33] <VadimP> I'm not keen on restarting since it might not let me log in again
[08:33] <ducasse> or just kill the other dpkg process
[08:33] <ducasse> 'pkill -9 dpkg'
[08:33] <EriC^> try 'sudo lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat'
[08:33] <VadimP> thanks, killed
[08:34] <ducasse> now try again
[08:34] <VadimP> but dpkg still complains and stops. lsof says this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H5dp6JGdNF and it's not returning
[08:35] <ducasse> try the install -f
[08:41] <ducasse> VadimP: is it progressing?
[08:47] <Pecorch> hi, I need to create a local repository on ubuntu and I was following this https://rpmdeb.com/devops-articles/how-to-create-local-debian-repository/. Actually when I run apt update I get  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60FCF967A65FE212. how to fix this? please any help would be much
[08:47] <Pecorch> appreciated
[08:58] <VadimP> ducasse unfortunately also complaints about the file, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DqP8njWYFs and not moving
[08:59] <ducasse> VadimP: try 'pkillall -9 dpkg'
[09:00] <ducasse> VadimP: then 'pkillall -9 apt'
[09:02] <alkisg> Pecorch: that tutorial is "too manual", it won't be easy to maintain it, go for `reprepro` instead
[09:05] <Pecorch> reprepro?
[09:05] <alkisg> Yes, google for a reprepro tutorial, it will also include instructions for how to properly sign your packages
[09:09] <Pecorch> what is the best irc client to run in docker?
[09:09] <Pecorch> or in Synology?
[09:31] <VadimP> I don't have pkillall, so I used killall instead
[09:32] <VadimP> but then I am still getting the locked by process error - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vxbqHPNtSy/
[09:32] <VadimP> ducasse if the process is no longer running, can I unlock the file manually? would that be safe?
[09:38] <VadimP> I did find other processes with 'dpkg' in their name, killed them, no warning now but I am back to square one - no progress on this:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mJbcNBpssF/
[09:41] <muhlio> hi guys. Where I can see list of alternative mirrors? I need newest version of openssl, now I have the latest/greatest one from Ubuntu
[09:52] <panosdev> Hello, is the ubuntu repository down?
[09:53] <VadimP> found my problem, I was hit by a decade old bug from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/grub2/+bug/970260
[09:53] <panosdev> when I issue "apt update" I get stuck here: https://termbin.com/7ivg
[09:55] <panosdev> but it's strange: I don't get any timeout errors either.
[10:04] <alkisg> panosdev: it works for me; run `software-properties-gtk` and temporarily disable some sources e.g. the ppa, and see if it bypasses the issue; if not, maybe your apt lists are broken and need to be deleted/refreshed
[10:07] <panosdev> well I tried to update the dependencies of a project with composer and I have the same issue so perhaps it has to do with my network
[10:21] <mort> so, ubuntu still ships cgdb 0.6.7, which was released in 2013 and doesn't work with current gdb, even though there are more recent versions of cgdb available which do support current gdb
[10:23] <CryptoSiD> Hi, I'm trying to find why netplan won't put the IPs on eno2, enp2s0 and enp3s0... only on eno1, here's my config: https://dpaste.org/1kgc
[10:23] <CryptoSiD> Been trying to fix this for 1 hour...
[10:24] <CryptoSiD> If a netplan elite can help me that would be appreciated :D
[10:25] <CryptoSiD> It's like netplan completely ignore the config of eno2, enp2s0 and enp3s0
[10:30] <Ravage> Maybe there is no carrier on the interfaces?
[10:31] <CryptoSiD> hoo, netplan won't put the inteface up if no cable is connected?
[10:32] <CryptoSiD> good to know
[10:33] <frost-core> hello
[10:33] <frost-core> i was just wondering, how can i get a minimal ubuntu with no desktop?
[10:34] <frost-core> just a tiny iso
[10:34] <Ravage> There is a mini iso for 20.04
[10:34] <frost-core> Ravage : where?
[10:36] <Ravage> lmgtfy: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[10:36] <frost-core> oh thanks
[10:36] <frost-core> is there one for 21.10?
[10:36] <Ravage> No
[10:37] <Ravage> I guess the closest thing is the server Installer
[10:37] <frost-core> Thanks!, i just need this for cubic
[10:40] <frost-core> Ravage : i found this http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[10:40] <frost-core> it has all the versions
[10:41] <frost-core> but they dont work
[10:41] <Ravage> There are no netboot versions after 20.04
[10:41] <Ravage> It was replaces by the new and annoying server installer
[10:42] <ogra> there are no netboot versions for 20.04 either ... only a fragment from pre-release times ... the mini.iso has never been supported
[10:43] <Ravage> It works
[10:44] <ogra> well, it gives you a debian instalation with ubuntu packages ... completely mis-configured ... but yeah, it somehow gets you an install on disk (and cause tons of bug reports for us)
[10:44] <CryptoSiD> thank you Ravage, netplan assign the ip when i connect a cable (lol)
[10:45] <Ravage> And denying it's existence because it's not supported is also an interesting move
[10:45] <Ravage> CryptoSiD: great
[10:45] <ogra> denying ?
[10:45] <Ravage> Oh sorry
[10:45] <Ravage> I really misread that
[10:46] <Ravage> The mini iso was always a great way to boot a minimal installer via kvm
[10:46] <Ravage> I really like it
[10:47] <ogra> well, i didnt (having worked in the installer team and having to deal with broken installs due to debian defaults being applied everywhere ...)
[10:48] <ogra> mini.iso was fallout of building the debian-installer deb but has never been adjusted for ubuntu configuration
[10:48] <ogra> it would have been massive work to rip it out of the build process which is why we tolerated it to stay around ...
[10:48] <Ravage> There is really isn't much configuration done in f you only install the bare system
[10:49] <ogra> there are preseed values and system defaults
[10:49] <Ravage> I never tried to install a full system through it
[10:49] <ogra> in early days it didnt even install sudo
[10:49] <Ravage> Always used the proper netboot way for Presseding
[10:50] <ogra> (eventually debian switched to our model, but there are still tons of systems with root login out there calling themselves ubuntu for example)
[10:51] <ogra> either way, it has never been supported for the lifetime of ubuntu ... if people used it to get a frankenstein install they got to keep the pieces
[10:51] <ogra> for netbooting 22.04 will orovide a kernel and initrd image again
[10:51] <ogra> *provide
[10:51] <ogra> likely under the above cdimage url
[10:55] <frost-core> also another question is how do i remove the installer at startup, since im putting a desktop on ubuntu server using cubic
[11:10] <frost-core> please help
[11:11] <frost-core> if you can
[11:36] <Jeremy31> frost-core: do you want to install without installing grub?
[11:37] <frost-core> Jeremy31 : No without subiquity
[11:38] <frost-core> im using cubic here
[11:39] <frost-core> to build my own distro based on ubuntu
[11:45] <Ravage> Based on Ubuntu is a trigger here. Not supported :)
[11:56] <mncheckm> my focal background is set to the default panther however it has gone black. when I open up activities, it shows the shaded panther wallpaper as usual. how do I debug, does anyone knows this
[11:56] <mncheckm> already rebooted
[11:56] <mncheckm> happens with multiple users
[12:03] <frost-core> mncheckm : can you show a picture?
[12:05] <frost-core> mncheckm : you can upload it on imgur if you want
[12:21] <frost-core> mncheckm : are you done? if so then send the link
[12:21] <mncheckm> frost-core, takes a while because its on a different subnet
[12:40] <frost-core> mncheckm : when you are done, tell us
[12:48] <frost-core> mncheckm : this seems to be taking very long, but im fine with that
[13:04] <axsuul> How would you recommend tracing which processes are causing the most load? It's hard to determine which process it is with the %CPU changing so frequently
[13:16] <Reventlov> Hello
[13:16] <Reventlov> Is it possible to have a customized ubuntu live system that is still secure boot (microsoft keys) compatible ?
[13:28] <alkisg> Sure, all userland is not signed
[13:29] <craigbass76> I've got a set of blueprints (2'x3') and want to print one page, but I want it to print out to actual size across a few sheets of paper. Is there a way to do that? I can't read the text if it's shrunk to fit 8.5x11
[13:30] <craigbass76> I think this architect was on something when he drew these roof lines...
[13:41] <mncheckm> frost-core, yeah, sorry
[14:00] <jsmooth> I'm using Xfce for light-weight performance, however, I'd like to have Gnome config manager as default config manager. Is there a way to configure that?
[14:08] <frost-core> jsmooth : im sorry, gnome and xfce are different, you cant have the gnome settings (or ubuntu settings)
[14:08] <frost-core> or you can
[14:15] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[14:15] <frost-core> morning
[14:16] <frost-core> BluesKaj : somebody said if he can switch the xfce config manager with the gnome one, is that possible?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> dunno, never tried or even thought about it
[14:18] <frost-core> same
[14:20] <d_rwin> how do I check my last updates, or updated packages for a month?
[14:21] <d_rwin> I need to run a debug issue for an nm-applet issue I encountered this week.
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> d_rwin: dpkg logs
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> in /var/log/
[14:23] <d_rwin> lotuspsychje: how do I do that in a script
[14:23] <frost-core> d_rwin : when you see the dpkg logs, get the version, search it in the repos manually ( by using browser ) then download the package
[14:24] <frost-core> d_rwin : run less /var/log/apt/history.log
[14:29] <d_rwin> frost-core: It helped, but I dont see the update I did this week with "Software updater"
[14:29] <DarkTrick> **Q** I'd like to create a link /tmp -> /run/tmp    ; How can setup /run to create a /tmp on boot?  Or is this a bad idea altogether?
[14:29] <frost-core> d_rwin : pipe it to grep nm-applet
[14:30] <DarkTrick> Also: how can increase the size of /run ?
[14:31] <d_rwin> frost-core: Pipe won't help because it missed the entire :date: I did my upgrade to 21.10
[14:33] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: what's the goal of shifting this around?
[14:33] <frost-core> d_rwin : ok so open a graphical text editor, then search the date (format like this : Y-M-D H-M-S)
[14:34] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, 1) I read /run is ultimately kind of replacing /tmp in its functionality  +  I setup /tmp to tmpfs with 2GB, while /run takes 1.2GB. I thought it's better to make it one with, say, 2.5GB (i.e. remove unnecessary "partitioning")
[14:34] <d_rwin> frost-core: I didn't upgrade with apt command line, I used software-updater, I can watch the whole updates in the log for this week.
[14:35] <d_rwin> frost-core: its missing in apt, can do the dpkg logs, how?
[14:37] <frost-core> d_rwin : you can find the log in /var/log/dpkg.log
[14:39] <d_rwin> frost-core: I did that, can't seem to find the end
[14:39] <frost-core> pipe it
[14:42] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: with tmpfs, only allocated space is actually used, so you can have 10x 3GB tmpfs even though you only have 16 GB physical RAM, as long as there's not more than (16 GB - what else you require) allocated.
[14:43] <tomreyn> tomreyn: s/only allocated space is actually used/only allocated RAM backed file system space is actualyl locked/
[14:44] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: ^
[14:44] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: so why not just have two tmpfs?
[14:44] <tomreyn> you can configure its size with a moun toption
[14:46] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, you're saying it does not make a difference (like it would with usual partitioning)
[14:46] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, hm... I guess it's indeed not too much of a problem from that side.
[14:47] <DarkTrick> tomreyn,  "you can configure its size with a moun toption": I can't see /run being set in /etc/fstab
[14:48] <DarkTrick> solved: https://askubuntu.com/questions/323066/how-to-resize-run-to-make-run-shm-bigger-properly-and-where-is-its-size
[14:48] <tomreyn> that'll be a systemd unit most likely
[14:48] <Sqaure> I have a pretty high end laptop with 32gigs of RAM that is like 5 years old. Running ubuntu 18.04. I wonder why its so damn slow.
[14:49] <DarkTrick> hm... apparently that AU-link was too old to work
[14:49] <DarkTrick> I'll look into systemd, thank you, tomreyn !
[14:49] <Sqaure> I will say i run Spotify, Slack, IntelliJ and Chrome (web Discord, Facebook, Gmail etc)
[14:50] <tomreyn> systemctl list-units | grep -F /run
[14:51] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: ^ but i assume you can still override those with fstab configurations
[14:54] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, Sounds like that would be the simplest and most obvious way
[14:56] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: on 18.04 LTS, tmpfs is documented in mount(8), in 22.04 LTS it is apparently documented in tmpfs(5) according to http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/mount.8.html#filesystem-specific%20mount%20options - not sure about 20.04.
[15:01] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, thank you. tmpfs mounting is no problem. I already have one setup here :)
[15:05] <tomreyn> Sqaure: what storage does it have? what feels slow about it?
[15:06] <tomreyn> Sqaure: have you looked at the system logs? do you want to share them after a fresh boot? is it only slow after suspend / return from suspend?
[15:08] <Sqaure> tomreyn, thanks for reaching out but burried in work here so i guess now is not the time for reboot and such. But yeah, after firing up all above programs i feel sluggish. Freezing quite often etc
[15:14] <d_rwin> tomreyn: what is the usual checks for slow systems
[15:25] <d_rwin> How do I parse a gtk issue with nm-applet
[15:27] <Windy> sudo ufw allow from 192.168.100.15 to any port 6443/tcp  <--- why does this throw bad port?
[15:27] <d_rwin> I can login in to my wifi, but it is being placed in the connected s[pace above "Disconnect" even when I have /disconnected
[15:28] <Windy> it works if i don't specify /tcp, but i wonder why i can't be explicit
[15:33] <Windy> on, looks like it should be "proto tcp".  weird that there's so many places this is listed wrong
[15:49] <tomreyn> Sqaure: you can post the first 1000 lines of your current log if you like, and we could review it:   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:34] <jhutchins> Windy: It's possible that the syntax has changed.  You'll encounter that occasionally.  Very few guides cite date or version.
[16:34] <Windy> fair enough.  the 'ufw status'
[16:34] <renard> Is there a preseed / autoinstall method for Ubuntu Desktop (preferably compatible with the OEM mode)?
[16:34] <Windy> output still shows it as /tcp, but maybe input syntax chagned
[16:35] <renard> all I see nowadays is subiquity+cloud-init for server
[16:38] <tomreyn> renard: 22.04 LTS will be using subiquity + autoinstall behind the new flutter frontend, too
[16:38] <tomreyn> (+ curtin + cloud-init=
[16:39] <tomreyn> so if you're developing something, might as well target that
[16:39] <renard> Oh, neat! Is that included in the daily builds already, so I can test drive it?
[16:39] <renard> also, do you know is it supports a OOB / OEM mode ?
[16:40] <tomreyn> try #ubuntu-next for 22.04 info
[16:40] <renard> my end goal is to provide a bunch of laptops preconfigured with a bunch of things such as LUKS, default Firefox bookmarks, Thunderbird account, a VPN config
[16:40] <renard> Ah, thanks :)
[16:43] <DynamiteDan> Hello. Does anyone know how to get a pre-compliled version of amule-deamon? Thanks in advance
[16:47] <coconut> DynamiteDan, apt policy amule-daemon
[16:48] <coconut> DynamiteDan, that will show you whether it is available for you
[16:48] <DynamiteDan> does that work on server?
[16:50] <DynamiteDan> unable to locate package
[16:50] <DynamiteDan> I have some errands to do. Be back in a while
[16:51] <tomreyn> amule-daemon is available in the "universe" repository
[16:51] <DynamiteDan> ah okay
[16:51] <tomreyn> !universe | DynamiteDan
[16:51] <ioria> there's no amule on focal 20.04
[16:51] <DynamiteDan> editing sources.list
[16:51] <tomreyn> oh that, too
[16:52] <DynamiteDan> ioria, so I have to compile from source...
[16:53] <ioria> that, or try the bionic package (not recommended)
[16:53] <tomreyn> or find another source of binaries
[16:53] <DynamiteDan> ah okay
[16:53] <DynamiteDan> thanks
[16:54] <DynamiteDan> I will return after trying
[16:54] <DynamiteDan> tahnks for your help
[16:54] <tomreyn> ...such as a PPA or developer maintained apt repository
[17:48] <anddam> howdy, I cannot find a bzip2-dev package or libbzip*-dev of sorta, am I missing something or is there not a dev package for it?
[17:50] <anddam> oh libbz2-dev
[17:54] <anddam> nvm
[18:14] <phibs> Anyone know when U22 will get the 5.16 kernel as it seems to be shipping with 5.15?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !next | phibs
[18:15] <Maik> phibs: questions about 22.04 belong in #ubuntu-next, besides that 22.04 will stick with 5.15
[18:17] <phibs> ok thx
[19:16] <ankworld> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "impish" 21.10 • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Eight-Core Processor (2.20GHz) • Memory: Physical: 30.6 GiB Total (7.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 2.7 TB / 5.7 TB (3.0 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h • Uptime
[19:16] <ankworld> : 10h 3m 50s
[19:17] <leftyfb> ankworld: can we help you with something?
[19:21] <axsuul> How would you recommend tracing which processes are causing the most load? It's hard to determine which process it is with the %CPU changing so frequently
[19:52] <tomreyn> axsuul: system monitoring software - that's a problem long solved
[19:52] <axsuul> tomreyn: any recommendations? I'm using top and htop but I can't seem to decipher which processes are contributing the most load
[19:52] <cbreak> btop is nice
[19:53] <cbreak> (or bpytop if you like)
[19:53] <tomreyn> axsuul: there are too many, too different usecases to recommend something specifically.
[19:55] <axsuul> tomreyn: any that comes in mind with just telling me which process is contributing the most load? that's the only thing I care about at the moment
[19:55] <axsuul> something like ... this process = 2.00 load
[19:56] <cbreak> btop can do that for cpu load, iotop can do it for disk IO load, nvtop can do it for nvidia gpu load
[19:56] <axsuul> cbreak: thanks will check that out
[20:00] <tomreyn> axsuul: if this is just a single system, maybe cockpit is useful: https://cockpit-project.org/ https://cockpit-project.org/running.html#ubuntu
[20:01] <tomreyn> For a more minimalit approach, sar or perf could help
[20:08] <tomreyn> i don't think top, htop, btop or similar top-like tools can adequately answer the "which process did contribute the most or secondmost to cpu load during the past 10 minutes" question.
[20:09] <cbreak> btop can do it for the last 15 secs or so, via the lazy cpu load update mode
[20:09] <cbreak> it has also per-process history plots.
[20:10] <sarnold> atop maybe, it's got some long-term logging ability https://www.atoptool.nl/
[20:18] <leftyfb> axsuul: why?
[20:19] <axsuul> tomreyn: thanks will check that out
[20:20] <axsuul> leftyfb: i have something causing very high load but the CPU % in top is so fleeting it's hard to determine which one is causing it
[20:20] <sarnold> depending upon what's going on on your system, it could be a fork bomb that quits quickly, those can hide pretty effectively
[20:20] <leftyfb> axsuul: how are you determining an individual process is causing high load?
[20:21] <axsuul> leftyfb: I'm not sure if it's due to an individual process, but is load strictly due to high CPU usage?
[20:22] <leftyfb> axsuul: how are you determining there is high load?
[20:22] <axsuul> in top, it's showing 1m 5m and 15m is above 25, and I only have 16 cores, also system is behaving slowly
[20:23] <leftyfb> axsuul: do you have the proper video drivers installed and enabled?
[20:23] <axsuul> and it doesn't happen all the time, just sporadically for an hour or so
[20:24] <axsuul> leftyfb: I'm on server version, so strictly terminal access. does that still apply?
[20:24] <leftyfb> axsuul: what are you running on the server?
[20:25] <tomreyn> 16 cores or 16 threads?
[20:25] <axsuul> leftyfb: lots of Docker containers (30+), it's a dedicated server with 64GB RAM
[20:25] <axsuul> Sorry, 16 threads
[20:25] <leftyfb> :/
[20:25] <tomreyn> uptime(1) explains how the 1,5,15m load averages are measured
[20:25] <leftyfb> axsuul: you maybe want to lead with this sort of information. Regardless, you probably should be asking in #ubuntu-server
[20:28] <leftyfb> axsuul: when you join #ubuntu-server, be sure to mention that you are running 30+ docker containers and don't know why your load is high
[20:28] <axsuul> Thanks will do!
[20:31] <genii> heh
[21:11] <noarb> I'm using libvirt to passthrough a USB device to a VM, but it goes offline after a while in the VM, and I see this message in dmesg: [421348.049576] audit: type=1400 audit(1644524944.799:103): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" profile="unconfined" name="libvirt-e69d64d1-1c9a-4124-9a5b-90598e8bde66" pid=628110 comm="apparmor_parser" [421348.073027] rndis_host 1-5:1.0 usb0: unregister 'rndis_host'
[21:11] <noarb> usb-0000:00:14.0-5, RNDIS device
[21:12] <noarb> restarting the VM will not bring the device back, but restarting the ubuntu host will. Is it safe to disable app armor on this device? Is that what's causing the issue?
[21:13] <noarb> once it goes offline, using usbreset on the device can't bring it online: https://bpa.st/XNAQ
[21:15] <sarnold> I wonder if there's anything interesting / educational in those 24 messages that didn't get printed
[21:16] <sarnold> noarb: try this, sysctl -w kernel.printk_ratelimit=0  -- it should give you more of the output
[21:16] <sarnold> (or install auditd)
[21:19] <noarb> Will that setting persist a reboot? I can reboot to get things working again for now, but set that value and get more verbose logs the next time it fails over?
[21:19] <noarb> I don't have any experience with auditd, I'm going to read more on it
[21:21] <sarnold> noarb: no, that's just a until-reboot thing; you can set it in /etc/sysctl.d/ if you wish to make it persistent
[23:12] <MonoL> Is zoom a thing I can use on ubuntu?
[23:14] <oerheks> MonoL, yes, but it is a binairy blob https://snapcraft.io/zoom-client
[23:15] <oerheks> other option is google chrome and the zoom function
[23:15] <MonoL> Oh it's a snap
[23:15] <MonoL> Ok nice
[23:15] <MonoL> I love snaps
[23:15] <oerheks> have fuN!
[23:24] <MonoL> Does my current install use wayland?
[23:25] <MonoL> Might be a idea if I say the version I currently have installed?
[23:25] <MonoL> Or does no version use wayland?
[23:25] <shibboleth> xrandr -q
[23:26] <MonoL> Screen 0: minimum 16 x 16, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 32767 x 32767
[23:26] <MonoL> XWAYLAND9 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 530mm x 300mm
[23:26] <shibboleth> hmmm.... must be macos then
[23:27] <oerheks> standard wayland, for some time now
[23:27] <oerheks> but old xorg is available,f rom login screen
[23:27] <MonoL> Cool
[23:28] <MonoL> Good work! Thanks
[23:28] <MonoL> Now all I've got to do is find some friends to zoom
[23:29] <driador> hey all, quick apache httpd question.  I have a vhost defined in apache24 whose config is hooked from the main /etc/apache/apache24.conf.  The issue is that _some_ logs defined in that vhost work, but the error log still goes to /var/log/apache/error.log.  Furthermore, any cgi output seems to be missing most, if not all of its stderr.  What am I missing here?
[23:29] <mundelj_kozik> where is StereoR?
[23:31] <MonoL> idk maybe he's busy making strange noises