[10:17] <knightwise> morning everyone
[13:12] <zxmpi_> o/
[13:15] <penguin42> hey there zxmpi_
[13:15] <zxmpi_> happy friday
[13:19]  * penguin42 yaaawwwnnnns
[13:40] <diddledani> https://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0
[14:47] <davef> Did I miss the memo? Is iptables now deprecated?
[14:49] <davef> Why is it that Linux devs deprecate stuff that works and there's universal knowledge? Like net-tools, deprecated. netstat and ifconfig are useful tools. Now I learn theres nftables.
[14:50] <zxmpi_> it's an extension of the old rule, once it works it's obsolete, once it's in a pdf file it's obsolete
[14:58] <davef> question, how do I replicate `netstat -an4` with the new tools? I couldn't figure it out.
[15:03] <knightwise> oj mates
[15:03] <knightwise> O/
[15:06] <zxmpi_> how do
[15:08] <knightwise> Almost weekend. 
[15:08] <knightwise> doing some paperworks (billing) to cheer me up a little at the end of the week
[15:08] <knightwise> #showmethemoney
[15:08] <zxmpi_> friday afternoon, start of the weekend. so long as you don't answer the phone after 4pm :-P
[15:12] <davef> and my friday is only just beginning *cries*
[15:23] <zxmpi_> need a nice long meeting to make that time just fly :-P
[17:25] <diddledani> one with a clock that has a seconds hand and a loud tick sound right in your eyeline
[17:26] <zxmpi_> i want the clock from vetanaris waiting room with the irregular tick tock >:-)
[17:53] <diddledani> Dave Plummer tells us what Abort, Retry, Fail means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=392h_c3Tefs
[18:09] <penguin42> Looks like the houses of parliament could do with a cable monkey: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/159C5/production/_121171588_46437241-c21a-4904-ba67-86936c2cc1dd.jpg
[21:47] <davef> I need somebody to tell me that I'm nuts or paranoid for what I'm about to do. I'm considering putting my main workstation and work computer on a totally different network, firewalled from the rest of the network. Basically a zero trust type model. I have a second router/firewall to do this already and it's already being used as just a switch. I'm
[21:47] <davef> not going to be doubling up on NAT, subnets will be totally routable.  Thoughts?
[21:49] <penguin42> not that insane depending what work you do and how little you trust the rest of your network
[21:51] <davef> I control the whole network, but I have a ton of services like plex, home assistant, IOT devices, etc. a ton of stuff that could be compromised in a blink of an eye. 
[21:52]  * penguin42 does have separate subnets for things like cctv cameras and wifi
[21:52] <davef> I could move everything onto isolated VLANs, but then I run into trouble with streaming media from Plex, etc.
[21:53] <daftykins> why don't you just employ a router with multiple NICs? that's what i do
[21:54] <penguin42> nod, I have a load of NICs in it
[21:54] <davef> Yeah, I could do that.
[21:55]  * penguin42 is connected on the ethtodave nic :-)
[22:10] <zxmpi_> i now have 1 computer at home that is connected to no network whatsoever. only way to be sure :-)
[22:11] <daftykins> * a Pi corrupts its' own SD card in protest