[07:55] <alkisg> Has it been decided if Jammy will offer firefox in both .deb and .snap, or just .snap?
[07:56] <alkisg> In https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/firefox it appears to still be available in .deb; I'd hate to switch to google-chrome as my main browser... (snap has too many issues we can't use it at all)
[08:15] <tarzeau> alkisg: microsoft edge?
[08:21] <alkisg> tarzeau: hehe, sure that's an option too! But seriously, is firefox going to be available as .deb, or is "not" already decided?
[08:27] <tarzeau> alkisg: the secret, i'd like to know as well. chromiumr-browser is depending on snapd... let's see if they'll break firefox or not
[08:27] <tarzeau> building firefox from source is pain. installing the binaries to /opt would be the alternative (but do they provide arm64 binaries?)
[08:28] <alkisg> We were using chromium-browser as our "second browser", and we created a PPA AND we switched to google-chrome as our second browser for 20.04
[08:28] <alkisg> Nah, if firefox won't be offered as .deb, we won't bother downloading it from upstream or building it; we'll just switch to google-chrome...
[08:29] <tarzeau> we had plans to go back to debian for workstations, but i was alone and overruled
[08:30] <alkisg> I like the strict cycles of Ubuntu. Two years between LTS releases, 5 years of support, -hwe kernels for newer hardware etc
[08:30] <alkisg> I'm willing to abandon all these if they'll force snaps into us though, and switch to Debian. We already added initial debian support in our installation and maintenance tools.
[08:33] <tarzeau> same, we could switch easily anytime as well. and yeah the strict release cycles are great for planning
[09:23] <tarzeau> alkisg: so you're also not using snap nor flatpak (removing snap completely)?
[09:28] <alkisg> tarzeau: yeah our "school installer" completely removes it. One out of 100 teachers install it later by mistake when installing some other app, and then come to cry "why is my internet crawling when I run LTSP" :D
[09:28] <alkisg> snap doesn't even support postponing updates yet, officially... so in LTSP I added the livecd workaround, maybe they broke that too recently...
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i think ive read its in test phase FF snap, see how it goes, nothing fixed decided afaik
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> alternate im using falkon browser lately, its on the repos and blood fast/light
[10:21] <alkisg> Oh, on the repos? Thanks, I'll try it!
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> chromium has larger support, but its not bad at all
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> !info falkon
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> currently FF snap doesnt remember download folder, have to manualy browse each time
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> i wish snaps had a similar apport style feature to do bugs
[11:09] <tarzeau> i wish snaps, flatpak, and appimage would not exist
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> a lot of devs surely like it
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> i understand the working togheter on it-part though
[11:19] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: i have some more new packages to test if you feel like it?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> sure thing, paste, ill see what i can do
[11:28] <tarzeau> nbsdgames :) (the rest is probably not interesting to you)
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> howto launch tarzeau 
[11:31] <tarzeau> dpkg -L nbsdgames |grep /usr/games # any of that
[11:32] <tarzeau> (from a terminal)
[11:32] <tarzeau> my favourite is nbfisher :)
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> hehe testing
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/9wuA2dy
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> haha @ nbfisher i got a facemask!
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> funny & light tarzeau lookin good to me
[11:40] <tarzeau> great :)