[01:41] <guiverc> of no importance (not worth looking), but i've re-worked the jammy issue tracker on discourse so it's got (easy to read/edit list) wiki @ top & (older) posts now below it
[10:02] <duuude> what do you think of this: https://github.com/abakh/nbsdgames
[10:11] <kc2bez> duuude: I think it isn't related to Lubuntu development and discussion belongs in the offtopic channel. 
[10:11] <kc2bez> !offtopic 
[10:14] <duuude> kc2bez: hmmm... yes :D It is getting to Ubuntu repos by 22.04 and I wanted to tell lightweight distro about it to see if they want to include it
[10:14] <duuude> so I sent the link first so some people say its cool then I go on so I don't look like marketing people :P
[10:14] <duuude> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jammy/nbsdgames
[10:15] <duuude>  thought it might interest you because it is pretty lightweight and packs a lot of diverse gameplay into a microscopic size (18 games with infinite gameplay and a lot of options in each, you could play 49x49 sudoku puzzles for example) 
[10:16] <duuude> while having ~500 KB Installed base. Probably less than a wallpaper.
[10:18] <kc2bez> Point taken, we tend to ship the minimum needed so we probably won't include it on the iso. Since it is in the archive it will be easy for folks to install with Discover, muon or apt. 
[10:23] <duuude> do you have games already? the default games on OSes are for when people get bored and don't have network access. I did see many people making use of the ones on Windows XP/7.
[10:26] <duuude> also it is 500kb (a big part of that being the icon lol), the .deb is 90KB. It is soooo little, meanwhile it brings so much joy to the table.
[10:26] <kc2bez> The only game we ship is 2048-qt. Unfortunately I got email yesterday that our iso was oversized so I think adding much of anything is somewhat of a challenge. 
[10:27] <duuude> I bet that weights more so replacing that with nbsdgames probably helps with that. lemme check.
[10:27] <duuude> yeah. 3MB
[10:28] <duuude> it is a win for you with 17 more games and 2.5 MB less iso size that way.
[10:29] <duuude> also the games are so diverse and interesting, 2048 is just pushing everything to one corner until the number gets big.
[10:31] <duuude> absolute rationality lol
[10:36] <duuude> that is actually 3.9 MB, I rounded it in the wrong way. you win 3.4 MB of free space.
[11:06] <duuude> btw have you emailed abuse@namecheap.com and  abuse-contact@publicdomainregistry.com to tell them that lubuntu.org and lubuntu.com are malware-in-waiting and request that they hand you the domains?
[11:08] <duuude> I wanted to mail them but thought that them corresponding with the actual devs is less frictious
[15:42] <duuude> kc2bez: what are your opinions on replacing 2048-qt with nbsdgames freeing 3.4 MB of iso size?
[15:42] <duuude> it is win-win
[16:03] <teward> duuude: i believe the answer from before stands and it was a "no thanks"
[16:04] <teward> saving 3MB wont solve the oversize ISO problem
[16:04] <teward> so adding anything right now is off the table
[16:04] <teward> this applies for replacing 2048-qt as well
[16:16] <duuude> teward: well, it is still improving the default installation with more, better games, while not making the problem that was mentioned.
[16:17] <duuude> it saves 6 times its weight if it comes to "we don't want to bloat the iso"
[16:17] <teward> so i wasn't clear
[16:17] <teward> i'm the Lubuntu Team Lead right now
[16:17] <duuude> nice
[16:17] <teward> if anything, I'd rather strip out games entirely and make them optional installs
[16:17] <teward> because games aren't the *primary* reason people install Lubuntu
[16:17] <teward> or any *buntu
[16:18] <duuude> "the default games on OSes are for when people get bored and don't have network access. I did see many people making use of the ones on Windows XP/7."
[16:18] <teward> but there's been pushback on that before so I've left it alone, if ISO size is a problem then I would be happy to make a decision to cut stuff if our dev lead agrees with.
[16:18] <teward> but my statement remains: we're not changing the games we ship at the moment
[16:19] <teward> i'm open to discussion for this for next cycle, but we're 2 months away from a release so it's a little late to be making major ISO changes
[16:21] <duuude> well, neither is the office suite, neither is snap etc. the primary reason people install lubuntu as a distro, but people don't install these general-use distros with pre-installed utilities for one single primary purpose
[16:22] <duuude> people, or at least me, want to save time looking for software when they want to do a simple thing, like bluetooth, scanning, making a doc or whatever
[16:22] <duuude> boredom-killing stands along those lines
[16:24] <duuude> well, next cycle is ok too, better late than never
[16:38] <teward> given we're 2 months away, my decision is "We'll strip things from the ISO to fit the sizes we need, but we won't add or change anything else for the 22.04 LTS cycle".  Next cycle and later we're free to make changes, but not 2 months out from release since we've already done a bunch of testing and such
 (updates, etc. to software can still be done, but we won't change what we ship on the ISO unless it's removing things)
 My last intended task is to get the artwork set. I anticipate removing at least a couple of wallpapers.