[06:51] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:25] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[07:26] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:54] <jpnurmi> good morning
[07:54] <jpnurmi> hey duflu and oSoMoN
[07:54] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi 
[08:09] <didrocks> good morning
[08:09] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[08:27] <jibel> good morning all
[08:33] <didrocks> hey duflu, jibel 
[08:34] <duflu> Hi jibel 
[09:00] <oSoMoN> hi jpnurmi, salut didrocks & jibel 
[09:00] <jpnurmi> hey didrocks and jibel
[09:01] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[09:02] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 
[09:03] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, jpnurmi & seb128 
[09:03] <jpnurmi> good morning seb128
[09:08] <duflu> Hi seb128 
[09:16] <seb128> lut oSoMoN didrocks, hey jpnurmi duflu, how are you?
[09:16] <duflu> seb128, going well. You?
[09:18] <Nafallo> zZzZ
[09:18] <Nafallo> jpnurmi: det regnar :-(
[09:18] <didrocks> I’m good :p hey Nafallo!
[09:19] <jpnurmi> Nafallo: som vanligt
[09:19] <oSoMoN> I'm doing good, feeling more awake than yesterday at the same time of the day
[09:19] <duflu> Hi Nafallo 
[09:19] <Nafallo> hi guys :-)
[09:19] <Nafallo> jpnurmi: well, google säger att det ska snöa i en vecka från imorgon ;-)
[09:20] <Nafallo> I'm starting to think I need to get a properly remote work and relocate somewhere warmer :-P
[09:21] <jpnurmi> Nafallo: hmm, inte enlight yr.no
[09:21] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright
[09:21] <jpnurmi> we're dreaming of retiring to philippines one day in the distant future :)
[09:22] <seb128> hey Nafallo 
[09:22] <duflu> Nafallo, it's 30-40 degrees every day here and rained once only since December. Be careful what you wish for
[09:23] <Nafallo> duflu: but you have poisonous critters everywhere instead? :-D
[09:23] <duflu> Yeah watch out for the drop bears
[09:23] <Nafallo> I'm pretty sure I rather get wet than dead :-P
[09:24] <duflu> Last time anyone died from a venomous spider here was the 1980s I think
[09:24] <duflu> Don't quote me on that
[09:25] <Nafallo> excluding tourists? oh wait... pandemic :-P
[09:26] <Nafallo> but yeah. it's like bears in Sweden. it's been like 2 deadly attacks the last century, and at least one of those the guy shooting at the bear.
[09:29] <jpnurmi> we had a lynx stopping by and saying hi to the dogs just a few meters from the fence
[09:30] <Nafallo> oh wow. those are usually shy.
[09:32] <jpnurmi> i wasn't around but i got a horribly fuzzy video from the neighbor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtzgivZv8Y
[09:33] <Nafallo> wow. that's so cool!
[09:33] <jpnurmi> sweden's mini tiger :D
[09:35] <duflu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx
[09:35] <duflu> Wait, that's also the name of a band
[09:37] <Nafallo> duflu: well played ;-). made me remember the UDS where the UK staff had a lot of Lynx (UK's name for Axe) with them :-P
[09:39] <duflu> Oh right, not actual axes. Yes it's called Lynx here too
[09:39] <Nafallo> haha. yeah... they didn't bring axes across the Atlantic and passed US customs indeed ;-)
[09:40] <Nafallo> seb128: remember what city that was? I remember it had a pool on the roof and wireless Internet, but not what it was called :-P
[09:44] <seb128> no I don't :)
[09:47] <Nafallo> Dallas rings a bell...
[10:07] <duflu> o/
[10:47] <ricotz> hello desktopers!
[10:47] <oSoMoN> hello ricotz 
[10:47] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN 
[10:48] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, is the component mismatch of "libreoffice recommending www-browser" solvable?
[10:50] <ricotz> I am wondering why such virtual package dependencies are not resolved with main packages first before trying universe
[11:55] <didrocks> ricotz: want to rewrite apt? :p Didn’t we say we first have firefox to fix this?
[11:55] <didrocks> the browser is not the only one btw, you have more recommends in component-mismatches now
[11:56] <didrocks> ricotz: just find another rdepends trying to pull a browser I guess and try to do the same for libreoffice, I would say
[11:56] <ricotz> didrocks, firefox already provides www-browser, so the upcoming snap transition would be affected
[11:57] <didrocks> libreoffice is not the first one trying to recommends a browser, so I’m sure we can find other example in main and handle it the same way
[11:57] <ricotz> so this is basically some apt command and checkinge the pulled in packages?
[11:57] <didrocks> (then dillo and tk-html3 needs to be looked at as well)
[11:57] <didrocks> ricotz: yes. It’s based on the output of germinate IIRC
[11:58] <didrocks> so basically, this is what the iso would pull
[11:58] <ricotz> I see :\, the graph is kind of bogus in this case
[11:58] <didrocks> seb128: hey, btw, for you libhandy -> glade
[11:59] <didrocks> ricotz: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html for a textual version
[12:00] <ricotz> yeah, how "www-browser" is resolved there seems kind of random
[12:01] <ricotz> so basically putting "firefox" first as alternative is the only way or dropping the recommend completely
[12:03] <seb128> didrocks, hey, thx
[12:21] <didrocks> ricotz: unsure it’s the only way (you can ask Colin Watson he would know better), but it’s a reliable way for sure
[12:53] <jbicha> good morning
[13:16] <KGB-2> mozjs signed tags be69fb3 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/91.5.1-0ubuntu1 * mozjs91 Debian release 91.5.1-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/iWGUR
[13:18] <didrocks> good morning jbicha 
[13:22] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha 
[14:10] <juliank> o/ I reverted back from Wayland to Xorg and it seems I can't attach files from inside google chrome, keybase (both debs), nor firefox snap
[14:10] <juliank> I guess they all use portals and they stopped working on X?
[14:10] <jbicha> Trevinho: I'm waiting to package gnome-settings-daemon 42 Beta until I see how it works with the new gnome-shell & friends. I'll have to add some package Breaks for the screenshot changes.
[14:11] <juliank> Feb 15 15:08:52 jak-t480s Keybase[1661470]: The peer-to-peer connection failed: Timeout was reached. Falling back to the session bus. Your application is probably missing --filesystem=xdg-run/gvfsd privileges.
[14:11] <juliank> Feb 15 15:09:35 jak-t480s nautilus[2994117]: The peer-to-peer connection failed: Timeout was reached. Falling back to the session bus. Your application is probably missing --filesystem=xdg-run/gvfsd privileges.
[14:12] <juliank> Yeah I also cannot start nautilus
[14:14] <juliank> gvfs-daemon.service was hanging Feb 14 12:50:02 jak-t480s gvfsd[1358261]: got no contact to IPC$
[14:19] <fossfreedom> jbicha: are there an plans for a ppa or maybe uploading to experimental for the mutter and gnome-settings-daemon beta 2 stuff? 
[14:19] <fossfreedom> beta not beta 2
[14:21] <jbicha> T_revinho is working on mutter. g-s-d 42 Alpha is already in Jammy/Experimental. The 2 commits of interest are the latest media-keys changes to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commits/master
[14:22] <jbicha> our plan is to get mutter & gnome-shell into jammy-proposed this week
[14:23] <fossfreedom> Ah..   Good good. That will be very useful to work against.
[14:33] <seb128> hey jbicha, how are you?
[14:44] <jbicha> good
[14:50] <seb128> jbicha, how is the new GNOME packaging going? do you need help with any of the items?
[14:54] <jbicha> I didn't file a bug for tracker-miners yet. It built for me with Debian's icu/experimental so my guess is the problem is python 3.10 but I haven't investigated much
[14:55] <seb128> you could open a bug to start anyway?
[15:01] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, bug triagE?
[15:03] <seb128> he seems not around, I will review anyway
[15:03] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:04] <seb128> bug #1960458
[15:05] <seb128> I nominated and think it's a regression so we should figure it out, I've been poking and giving details upstream so I will assign it to myself
[15:05] <seb128> bug #1960387
[15:06] <seb128> duflu mentioned it's the most reported fprintd error so probably worth targetting, I would vote +1
[15:06] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[15:07] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I think it's due to libgusb issue plus we'd probably need https://github.com/libusb/libusb/pull/1073/
[15:08] <seb128> Trevinho, ack, I can cherry pick that fix, I'm adding to my list
[15:08] <Trevinho> seb128: nice, libgusb also is goiung to be updated..
[15:08] <Trevinho> I was trying to update libfprint yesterday and we found all these issues
[15:09] <seb128> updated like a new release? I will handle it once it's out
[15:09] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I've it ready for being sponsored, but didn't ask yet because of those issues that are leading to crashes
[15:09] <seb128> Trevinho, ah, ok, well let me know when you need sponsoring
[15:09] <seb128> next bug on the list is also for you
[15:09] <Trevinho> sure
[15:10] <seb128> bug #1960898
[15:10] <Trevinho> mh.... one of the reasons why I preferred to delay gjs/mozjs updates? :)
[15:11] <seb128> lol
[15:11] <seb128> the other ones we already discussed in previous meeting or need info
[15:11] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:11] <Trevinho> we may get another on indicator, if upstream didn't handle it yet, but I don't think so
[15:12] <seb128> Trevinho, should I assign that one to you?
[15:12] <Trevinho> yeah
[15:12] <seb128> thx
[15:12] <seb128> also unsure if you saw my ping yesterday asking if you wanted to handle backporting the dark theme upstream change to g-c-c
[15:12] <seb128> to change the color-scheme gsettings key when picking a theme varian
[15:14] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <seb128> those are assigned
[15:14] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <seb128> no desktop entry
[15:15] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <seb128> nothing new there
[15:15] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <seb128> no desktop entry
[15:15] <seb128>  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:16] <seb128> nothing new
[15:16] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:16] <seb128> no desktop entry
[15:16] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:17] <seb128> nothing new there
[15:17] <seb128> and that's it for this week
[15:17] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for participating in the review :)
[15:17] <Trevinho> :)
[15:20] <GunnarHj> There is an Ubuntu specific "Recommends: sane-airscan" in sane-backends. Wouldn't that be useful on Debian as well, i.e. shouldn't we propose that Recommends to Debian so we can start sync'ing again?
[16:08] <GunnarHj> Anticipating a "yes" to the question I asked, I filed https://bugs.debian.org/1005817 .
[16:14] <GunnarHj> seb128, jbicha: Which version of gnome-user-docs should we ship with 22.04? I'm thinking that if we stay with version 41 of g-c-c, version 41 of the docs may be best suited. Unless there is are important docs affecting changes to gnome-shell itself. Thoughts?
[16:21] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I don't know: there aren't any 42 docs yet :) :)
[16:22] <jbicha> if you like video calls, you could ask Shaun in about 40 minutes https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2022-February/msg00004.html
[16:24] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Right, I'm aware of that meeting. Will ask Shaun there.
[16:25] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Is it finally decided that we'll stay with g-c-c v. 41?
[16:26] <jbicha> the docs series is a hard question today because most people haven't seen GNOME 42 yet to know what to write about
[16:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: So I'm asking about it prematurely?
[16:28] <jbicha> yes, I think so. gnome-control-center 42 Beta wasn't released yet & that's a big part of the docs
[16:29] <jbicha> we are sticking with gnome-control-center 41 because the new version switches to gtk4 and it's a very large change there
[16:30] <GunnarHj> jbicha: The latter was the point I tried to make.
[16:32] <jbicha> my guess is that the 41 docs will be good enough. now that GNOME has a longer support cycle some docs improvements could still be backported there
[16:33] <GunnarHj> Yeah, that's my feeling too. And cherry picking docs contents would be too cumbersome due to translations.
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[17:19] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Shaun confirmed that staying with the 41 docs in 22.04 is probably the most sensible choice.
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[19:41] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for your help with fonts-ubuntu. :)
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