[00:11] <mannequin> there was a linux-firmware update today in 20.04
[00:11] <mannequin> why?
[00:13] <ogra> mannequin, apt changelog linux-firmware
[00:13] <mannequin> ogra: thanks
[01:32] <stavroP> hi
[01:32] <stavroP> hows life
[02:30] <DannyMac> I've been researching this for a while and am confused by hdparm.  I'm running Ubuntu Server 20.04 and I want my HDs to spin down after a period of inactivity, but the APM values seem weird to me.  For me to have my HD spin down after 30 minutes, I would need to set the APM to 127 to enable spindown and then set the spindown value to 241 for 30 minutes?
[02:41] <sarnold> DannyMac: be careful there, I had drive spindown cause filesystems to be remounted read-only once upon a time. it was very annoying.
[02:49] <psystemupdate> anyone know what the setup would be on linux for video capture stream routing to gpu accelerated greenscreen video software? i need some video software that has the same workflow like in a DAW such as ardour which lets you route audio streams to filters, effects, buses, virtual devices.
[02:49] <psystemupdate> ill need to route multiple video capture sources to different filters
[02:50] <psystemupdate> in live mode
[02:50] <sarnold> try obs, I think it's used for those sorts of things
[02:50] <psystemupdate> is obs openshot?
[02:50] <psystemupdate> ops?
[02:51] <sarnold> psystemupdate: https://obsproject.com/
[02:51] <psystemupdate> thx
[02:52] <sarnold> psystemupdate: it's in package obs-studio, but the screenshots there might be useful to know if it's even remotely close to what you're asking for :)
[02:54] <psystemupdate> looks like what im looking for, onlly other thing i knew which would do stream vid cap was VLC, but i didn't know how to use it to route
[02:55] <psystemupdate> i might go troll before the great sinfluencer shutdown
[03:03] <DannyMac> sarnold: thanks for the warning.  I had this enabled on my last build, but I was able to set this via some power management app using the GUI, but I seem to not be able to find a clear-cut way to set this up via cli
[03:07] <sarnold> DannyMac: aha, nice. I don't know what exactly to suggest then ;( I was just interested in not having it, hehe :)
[03:09] <DannyMac> sarnold: yeah, it's weird, when i set it up all those years ago, I had to move some sliders to the duration I wanted and that was it, but now I need to worry about APM values and spindown times that you have to calculate manually
[03:11] <DannyMac> i guess i'll just not worry about it, but i sort of want to save some power
[03:23] <snowhawk> hello!
[03:25] <snowhawk> anyone home?
[03:25] <matsaman> yerp
[03:26] <sarnold> narp
[03:26] <snowhawk> hey guys..
[03:27] <snowhawk> can you rub Ubuntu from a USB stick while still logged into Windows? Like a Live USB, but not have to boot your entire computer into it?
[03:28] <mybalzitch> if you do it in a VM sure
[03:28] <matsaman> rub?
[03:28] <snowhawk> thats the first thing i did
[03:28] <matsaman> oh run
[03:28] <snowhawk> i was wondering if it would be faster to run it from a USB though
[03:29] <mybalzitch> most usb flash drives have horrible write performance
[03:29] <matsaman> faster than storing data on the host's own storage device? No
[03:30] <snowhawk> oh
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> a portable ssd with a light lubuntu 20.04 could be an idea?
[03:38] <matsaman> what even is the problem that you're trying to solve?
[03:40] <snowhawk> maybe
[04:10] <knaccc> hey peeps, i successfully figured out how to extract the OVAL CVEs from the XML where the severity is High. There is only one problem though - when I check for the existence of the /var/run/reboot-required file to see if I need a reboot, I don't know how to tell which specific updates will go into effect as a result of the reboot. Is there any way to tell which specific  updates require the reboot?
[04:11] <knaccc> it'd be nice to be able to tell if the reboot will be of benefit to me before i take the server down
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> knaccc: if its for ubuntu server, you might wanna try asking the experts @ #ubuntu-server
[05:40] <knaccc> lotuspsychje thanks, i will
[05:45] <DOSfan> question : I was wondering if it is possible to move the swap partition (it is now a primary) to the FRONT of the disk.  The working linux (ubuntu) partition (ext4) is currently in front of the swap partiton.  Is it possible to relocate the swap partition or maybe just use a swap file instead?
[05:48] <alkisg> DOSfan: it's possible to delete it, resize the ext4 partition, and recreate the swap partition in front; but note that moving the left side of a partition takes a whole longer (and for ntfs is even riskier) than moving the right side :)
[05:50] <Bashing-om> DOSfan: ^^ See too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_a_swap_file.3F .
[05:50] <DOSfan> Bashing-om : thanks :)
[05:51] <DOSfan> Ya I am thinking that just doing a swap file in the same ext4 partition is probably just easier.
[05:51] <genii-core> You can use swapoff/swapon to disable/enable the swap partitions or files. So the basic procedure would be use swapoff to disable it, edit the fstab file to comment out the swap entry there. Then boot from a livecd and rearrange the partitions to your liking with gparted, either moving the swap partition elsewhere or elimitating it entirely and using a swapfile on the main / instead
[05:53] <DOSfan> genii-core: yes ok I understand, thanks
[07:27] <blahboybaz> I thought I baught a dedicated graphics card with this lappy (only about a yr old now) but I'm not sure what hardware is being used (if my dedicated card is not begin used for some reason or what is going on). More than that I don't know if I'm using the right driver for the hardware that's being used and I'm not sure how to work with these things. Can anyone help me find out what's going on?
[07:30] <blahboybaz> $ lspci | grep -i --color 'vga\|3d\|2d'
[07:30] <blahboybaz> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 9a49 (rev 01)
[07:30] <blahboybaz> 0000:01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1f97 (rev a1)
[07:30] <blahboybaz> $ lshw 2>/dev/null | grep 'VGA compatible' -A 1 | grep 'product' product: Intel Corporation
[07:32] <blahboybaz> $ lsb_release -a
[07:32] <blahboybaz> No LSB modules are available.
[07:32] <blahboybaz> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[07:32] <blahboybaz> Description:	Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[07:32] <blahboybaz> Release:	20.04
[07:32] <blahboybaz> Codename:	focal
[07:51] <Phoebus> Isn't there a simple way to make a window transparent, 20.04.3 lTS / gnome 3.36.8 , tried compiz so far, and gnome glass, nothing works... thanks!
[07:54] <persiancat> how could i to open UnityHub by terminal
[08:13] <persiancat> how could i to open UnityHub by terminal
[09:41] <blahboybaz> exit
[10:43] <Guest32> Hi, I am trying to run apport-collect, I have authorized it but it has just been writing out "......" for the last 10 minutes. There seems to be no activity on the system. Is there anything I can do?
[10:49] <lotuspsychje_> Guest32: did you apport collect bug ID ?
[10:50] <Guest32> yep: apport-collect 1960826
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> Guest32: try closing your browser after logged in to launchpad and try a new instance from a terminal
[10:50] <Guest32> I have created a file locally using apport-bug linux --save
[10:50] <Guest32> that should be the same info right?
[10:51] <Jeremy31> No package called lnux according to apport if I remember correctly
[10:51] <Guest32> I am running the apport-collect on a headless server, and opened the URL on a different PC, maybe that is the problem
[10:52] <Guest32>  As  a  special  case,  to  report  a  bug  against  the  Linux  kernel,  you  do  not  need to use the full package name (such as linux-im‐
[10:52] <Guest32>        age-2.6.28-4-generic); you can just use
[10:52] <Guest32>            apport-bug linux
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> Guest32: in the ubuntu case its, ubuntu-bug linux
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> bug #1960826
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> ok,your ID exist Guest32 just try again; apport-collect 1960826
[10:56] <Guest32> ok, it has worked now
[10:56] <Guest32> thanks!
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> great Guest32
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> and thank you for your bug report and make ubuntu better Guest32
[11:15] <Ravage> the But Bot still refers to Freenode by the way :)
[11:15] <Ravage> *Bug Bot
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> Ravage: ths bugbot?
[11:17] <Ravage> " You might also ask for help in the #ubuntu-bugs irc channel on Freenode."
[11:17] <Ravage> Ubuntu Foundations Team Bug Bot (crichton)
[11:18] <Ravage> on launchpad. not sure how i would report that as a bug :)
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> whats the link you seeing that Ravage ?
[11:19] <Ravage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1960826
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> oh cool, nice find Ravage
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> Ravage: maybe report that to #ubuntu-kernel crew, as its an auto msg from the kernel team
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> Ravage: or this https://launchpad.net/%7Ecrichton/+contactuser
[11:23] <Ravage> will try :)
[13:37] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:31] <Guest6494> Hello!
[14:31] <Guest6494> I'm running ubuntu on zfs root with native zfs encryption. Haven been doing well for a year now, but I somehow managed to delete my key material, it seems
[14:32] <Guest6494> I now cannot boot anymore and cannot mount the rpool anymore. I can import it and it says it's all good. no errors
[14:32] <Guest6494> Is there a way I can revocer the key?
[14:32] <Guest6494> after importing, this is the part where it fails:
[14:32] <Guest6494> sudo zfs load-key rpool
[14:32] <Guest6494> Key load error: Failed to open key material file
[14:49] <coz_> good day all
[15:14] <coconut>  
[15:28] <ice9> apt is failing to upgrade firefox, I'm getting: The following packages have been kept back: firefox, even "apt dist-upgrade" is not working, what do you think?
[15:29] <EriC^^> ice9: what does 'sudo apt-get install firefox' give?
[15:30] <ice9> EriC^^, that worked :) thanks
[15:30] <ice9> EriC^^, whats the difference between both commands?
[15:32] <EriC^^> nothing really, anyways glad it worked
[15:33] <EriC^^> hmm unless you meant you ran apt-get dist-upgrade, maybe apt dist-upgrade is different, cant find it in the manpage
[15:34] <EriC^^> did you run apt or apt-get?
[15:35] <Maik> ice9: what version of ubuntu is that on?
[15:39] <ice9> Maik, 21.10
[15:39] <ice9> EriC^^, apt
[15:40] <EriC^^> ice9: use "apt full-upgrade" instead
[15:50] <Maik> ice9: firefox is a snap package on 21.10
[17:00] <vapg1974> I was a KDE fag but Cinnamon is awesome!
[17:01] <noobaroo> Hey, I'm using Weechat 1.4 and the channel/server sidebar won't show. Any ideas?
[17:12] <jhutchins> Let's see what the bot knows ...
[17:12] <jhutchins> !weechat
[17:22] <Guest8618> I know that 21.04 is eol but is it possible to still upgrade 20.04 to it and after that go for 21.10
[17:27] <Ravage> There is no supported upgrade path
[17:28] <deadrom> hi
[17:28] <Ravage> My advice is to wait for 22.94
[17:28] <Ravage> 22.04
[17:29] <Guest8618> that is what I think but want to be sure tnx for tips
[17:30] <deadrom> intel system with onboard sound and one logitech proprietary headphone dongle, ubu 18.04LTS. headhpones work. can't get sound from ATX sound output. pulse audio Volume Mixer in xfcs shows VU meter when I playback videos in browser, but I hear nothing. how can I play test sounds to the specific ATX output?
[17:40] <deadrom> nvm, fixed, wild button press orgy
[17:45] <mybalzitch> oh I like those
[17:46] <marc_> Does Asus C1BKV0 Supreme Fx x-Fi  soundcard work on ubuntu
[17:50] <marc_> anyone here
[17:50] <mybalzitch> mmmmaybe
[17:51] <mybalzitch> I can't find any obvious indication taht it is though
[17:52] <mybalzitch> internet claims it has the cmi 8738 chip, which seems to be supported
[17:52] <deadrom> marc_: it requires a config file containing question marks, since you don't know that you're out of luck.
[17:53] <marc_> I just offered somone £15 for the card
[17:56] <jhutchins> marc_: Did you search it on the web?
[17:56] <jhutchins> marc_: Does your motherboard support it?
[17:57] <marc_> Im using a server board twin E5-2687w v2 and 32gb ram
[17:57] <marc_> supermicro
[17:59] <marc_> X9DRH-iF it only has x8 and x16 slots
[18:02] <mybalzitch> you can put lower cards in larger slots
[18:04] <mybalzitch> like a x1 in a x8 or x4 in x8 or x1 in x16
[18:22] <marc_> Just managed to get the card for £22 i got nvme in some of the 8x slots
[18:22] <marc_> and a gtx780 in the x 16
[18:25] <pagios> test
[18:25] <pagios> when a device gets assigned tk a vlan what happens exactly ? the switch tags the port with a vlan id and also tells the client to send packets with a specfic vlan id to match the id on the switch port
[18:34] <jhutchins> pagios: I
[18:35] <jhutchins> pagios: I'm not really sure wht you're asking, but the host/hupervisor accepts all of the traffic for the vlan and acts as a router for it.
[18:37] <noobaroo> How to find what DHCP client is in use on Ubuntu 16.04? Neither dhclient nor dhcpcd are running. systemd-networkd is loaded but inactive (dead). I'm very confused as to how I'm getting an internet connection right now. Oh and NetworkManager is not installed as far as I know.
[18:38] <noobaroo> Actually network-manager is installed. What is the exact name of the service, does anyone know?
[18:39] <_The_ether_> maybe conman?
[18:40] <_The_ether_> connman*
[18:40] <tomreyn> noobaroo: first of all, unless you're using ESM, ubuntu 16.04 is EOL.
[18:40] <noobaroo> NetworkManager service is not found and inactive (dead)
[18:41] <tomreyn> noobaroo: this said, NM does implement its own DHCP client
[18:41] <noobaroo> What's ESM? Ubuntu 16.04 is supported until 2026, not sure if you know that.
[18:41] <tomreyn> !esm | noobaroo
[18:41] <tomreyn> !16.04 | noobaroo
[18:42] <_The_ether_> 22.04 coming in April :D
[18:43] <tomreyn> noobaroo: did ubottu sufficicently answer your questions there?
[18:43] <noobaroo> _The_ether_: connman.service is not found either
[18:43] <_The_ether_> what does "systemctl list-unit-files | grep NetworkManager" say?
[18:44] <noobaroo> Returns nothing :/
[18:45] <tomreyn> i might be wrong but i think 16.04 didn't use systemd, yet
[18:46] <noobaroo> It does use systemd
[18:46] <tomreyn> well, it's been a while,and my memory decays
[18:47] <_The_ether_> what does cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i dhcp say?
[18:47] <noobaroo> The only dhcp client service that is even found is systemd-networkd... But its inactive (dead)
[18:48] <tomreyn> how about you upgrade to a supported release and re-emaine the situatio then?
[18:48] <tomreyn> *re-examine
[18:49] <noobaroo> Whoa! A lot! Thanks! It mentions "Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.3.3" and "dhclient[775]: DHCPDISCOVER on enp2s0"
[18:50] <noobaroo> Why is dhclient.service not found then?
[18:51] <noobaroo> _The_ether_: Thank you for the help, much appreciated
[18:52] <noobaroo> tomreyn: I just installed 16.04 yesterday. I specifically chose this version of Ubuntu because 1. It's supported until 2026 2. It contains the 4.4 kernel.
[18:52] <_The_ether_> You're welcome noobaroo :)
[18:53] <_The_ether_> I'm not sure, maybe because it's a client not a service
[18:53] <noobaroo> I dom
[18:54] <sybariten> hey hey, the linux version supplied by WSL on Win10 is supposed to be ubuntu somehow right?
[18:54] <noobaroo> I don't see it as a running process on htop either. I guess I'll look up documentation and man dhclient and see if I can find any useful commands to see what its doing, and if its even running
[18:54] <_The_ether_> @ noobaroo : 16.04 is EOL except if you have Extended Security Maintenance (ESM) as mentioned above
[18:56] <_The_ether_> I got to go, good evening every1
[18:56] <noobaroo> Oh nevermind, I see it on htop
[18:57] <noobaroo> Can I use kernel 4.4 on a higher version of Ubuntu?
[18:58] <tomreyn> noobaroo: Ubuntu 16.04 is only supported until 2026 if you have ESM - https://ubuntu.com/security/esm
[18:59] <tomreyn> oh, i see this was understood already.
[18:59] <tomreyn> kernel 4.4, is not supported on newe ubuntu releases, why do you need this oneß
[18:59] <tomreyn> *neweR
[19:01]  * alkisg is on 20.04 with 3.16 kernel in this particular odroid box :)
[19:02] <tomreyn> That's not Ubuntu then, just something pretending to be
[19:02] <alkisg> It's stock ubuntu with a custom kernel because they needed a couple of binary blobs
[19:03] <tomreyn> and the word "custom" is where it stops being Ubuntu
[19:03] <alkisg> People can call it however they see fit :)
[19:03] <alkisg> Eh, by just adding dkms and nvidia you're on a custom ubuntu
[19:03] <alkisg> As it taints the kernel
[19:04] <alkisg> Fortunately the ubuntu community does support such efforts, otherwise they wouldn't have any arm ports at all. Vendors do need to begin from something, and odroid is one of the most vanilla ones
[19:06] <noobaroo> alkisg: Did you compile 3.16 kernel yourself or were you able to find a binary package somewhere? If possible, please link a tutorial. I found a tutorial before but it wasn't entirely applicable to ubuntu and I had a problem loading kernel modules for one, I'd rather have modules compiled in the kernel itself rather than at a separate location
[19:07] <alkisg> noobaroo: the comment from tomreyn is the most important one; if you don't state why do you need it, we can't really properly help. I was just answering the "it's possible" part, not the "it's supported or recommended"...
[19:07] <alkisg> My 3.16 came from the vendor. They choose to be as vanilla ubuntu as possible, but they can't get use newer kernels.
[19:08] <alkisg> *yet
[19:49] <sybariten> hey hey, i'm on wsl under Win10 and when i do  sudo add-apt-repository universe  it says  'universe' distribution component is already enabled for all sources.  ....  yet i have problems installing midnight commander, which i suspect (only a suspicion) is related to the uni repo. apt says no package found
[19:49] <thyriaen> I have 21.10 and i am looking to get a ukrainian keyboard layout installed - however there is no such keyboard installed in the keyboard layout settings tab ( only russian keyboards ) how can i install additional layouts ? ( what is the package name ? )
[19:49] <sybariten> same for emacs
[19:54] <sarnold> thyriaen: xkb-data: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ua
[19:54] <sarnold> thyriaen: do you have the xkb-data package installed? does that /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ua file exist?
[19:55] <sybariten> OK, so... uh, maybe i just did something stupid. What does the command "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y" essentially do?
[19:55] <thyriaen> xkb data is installed sarnold
[19:55] <sarnold> thyriaen: I'm not sure how the various keyboard selection widgets work, but i think that file should describe the keyboard..
[19:55] <sybariten> I got a whole lot more activity than i normally get with an apt update
[19:56] <thyriaen> sarnold, and ua exists
[19:56] <sarnold> sybariten: the apt update will update the package lists; the apt upgrade step will install whatever packages are new, and if they have new dependencies, install those, too
[19:56] <sarnold> thyriaen: dang. well, that's good, but I didn't have many ideas in the first place :(
[19:56] <sybariten> sarnold: ok.. so we're not talking any distro change or so?
[19:56] <gordonjcp> evening
[19:56] <sybariten> good evening gordon
[19:56] <gordonjcp> I'm running Ubuntu 21.10 and none of the application icons on the desktop seem to work
[19:56] <thyriaen> sarnold, how do i select the ua keyboard layout ?
[19:57] <gordonjcp> do I need to do anything special here?
[19:57] <sarnold> sybariten: if you've made changes to your /etc/apt/sources* files, yeah, it could do a distro update. (This is not the best way to update to a whole new release on ubuntu, but it is the way to do it on debian, so people sometimes try it on ubuntu, too)
[19:58] <sybariten> sarnold: no i never manually touched the sources file. I was rather trying to get the "universe" repo in/activated, (but ubuntu tells me it already is) and i try to use the apt commands for most things
[19:58] <thyriaen> sarnold, i can use setxkbmap ua to enable ukrainian - but how can i now use it in gnome ? :p
[19:58] <sarnold> thyriaen: hah, I was just reading the setxkbmap manpage to suggest exactly that :(
[19:59] <thyriaen> sarnold, T_T
[19:59] <thyriaen> sarnold, i need to be able to use the language swticher in gnome to swap back between english and ukrainian
[19:59] <thyriaen> thats why I am asking :p
[20:00] <sarnold> thyriaen: heh, sorry, I've not used gnome in decades
[20:00] <thyriaen> ah darn it
[20:01] <thyriaen> i dont know how
[20:02] <thyriaen> but not it works
[20:02] <thyriaen> thanks so much for your help
[20:02] <onryo> exit
[20:04] <sarnold> thyriaen: sorry :(
[20:04] <gordonjcp> okay, desktop icons work okay in 20.04, but are completely broken in 21.10
[20:04] <gordonjcp> is there a way to fix it or should I just flatten 21.10 and upgrade this machine to 20.04?
[20:06] <thyriaen> sarnold, i mean it - i am grteful
[20:07] <thyriaen> sarnold, oh i misstyped - i wanted to write "but now it works" :p
[20:10] <sarnold> thyriaen: well, running setxkbmap by hand can't be the most pleasing thing; it does feel like something gnome ought to just get right
[20:11] <thyriaen> sarnold, the ukrainian keyboard layout now appeared in gnome :p
[20:11] <sarnold> thyriaen: lol
[20:11] <sarnold> thyriaen: whyyyyyyy
[20:11] <thyriaen> sarnold, i don't know
[20:11] <sarnold> thyriaen: I hate computers :)
[20:11] <thyriaen> sarnold, but i am happy now
[20:11] <sarnold> thyriaen: I'm curious if it'll survive logging in and out..
[20:11] <thyriaen> sarnold, maybe because i once used setxkbmap ua and gnome realised there is a layout i might want to use :p
[20:12] <thyriaen> sarnold, i think so because now i have added it to the normal keyboard selection in the settings
[20:12] <sarnold> thyriaen: that's my guess, but that's a huge barrier to entry :)
[20:12] <thyriaen> sarnold, yea it is still there after logging out and in
[20:12] <sarnold> thyriaen: sweet :)
[20:13] <thyriaen> sarnold, yea :p
[20:13] <thyriaen> sarnold, you know - i really love irc
[20:13] <sarnold> thyriaen: half the time, asking for help on irc causes the thing in question to fix itself spontaneously
[20:13] <thyriaen> sarnold, i just really love it here
[20:14] <sarnold> thyriaen: it's pretty awesome :D
[20:14] <thyriaen> sarnold, for me it is the right level of social interaction i desire - feels like family here
[20:15] <sarnold> thyriaen: same with me, almost all my friends are on irc :)
[20:16] <thyriaen> sarnold, it is perfect
[21:15] <eli123> Hiiiiiiiiya
[21:15] <eli123> Whatsup
[21:15] <eli123> everybodi
[21:45] <davidd> hey got a question: I see a docker volume that maps to a local folder. out of curiousity, I did "ls -l" on the folder and it says it's owned by 201:201 but I don't see such a user in passwd of when I do "id 201"
[21:46] <gordonjcp> davidd: yes
[21:46] <davidd> is it some sort of hidden user
[21:46] <gordonjcp> nope
[21:47] <gordonjcp> it's a UID that doesn't have a user defined
[21:47] <davidd> oh interesting. and docker probably created it?
[21:47] <gordonjcp> well, you just say what user you want a container to run as
[21:47] <davidd> I see, thanks for your help
[21:50] <gordonjcp> is there a way to get desktop icons to work in Ubuntu 21.10, with Gnome 40?
[21:50] <gordonjcp> as it is, the desktop seems pretty crippled
[22:44] <CarlFK> https://illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/charities/co-1form.pdf  I need to fill out this form.  it doesn't seem to be a pdf form with fields I can fill in.  I can print and use ink, but is there a way to overlay text on top of it? (and then print that)
[22:44] <CarlFK> convert to image, gimp comes to mind, but eww.
[22:45] <CarlFK> Hmm. libreoffice Draw seems to do something useful.  nifty.
[23:04] <adderall> Does anyone know how many kernels typically come with Ubuntu LTS? Usually there are at least two kernels, in case the default kernel has boot issues or becomes corrupt ...
[23:04] <adderall> I'm debating whether or not I should install a second kernel as a backup
[23:06] <Jeremy31> adderall: two or three never hurt.  You only have on kernel when you first install
[23:07] <adderall> *one kernel you mean?
[23:07] <Jeremy31> yes
[23:07] <adderall> Well, Debian comes with two
[23:07] <adderall> I upgraded to a kernel recently but it was incompatible with VMware so I actually spent a lot of time figuring out how to get rid of it and modifying the grub menu.
[23:08] <adderall> So if I did install a second, I'd have to make sure it doesn't default boot to the secondary.
[23:09] <adderall> cd /cat
[23:09] <adderall> Haha, my bad. I keep thinking I'm in the terminal as I'm on weechat.
[23:11] <Jeremy31> adderall: If you install kernels that are older than the one being used, actually a lower number, they won't be the default at boot, 5.13.0-27 will be the default even if 5.4.0-117 is installed
[23:11] <adderall> Yeah, I'm at 5.13.0-30
[23:12] <adderall> I appreciate this help, BTW
[23:12] <Jeremy31> so you could install the -27 and -28 of 5.13
[23:13] <sarnold> just wait a couple of weeks, you'll get an additional kernel with security updates soon enough
[23:13] <adderall> I'm glad you said that
[23:14] <adderall> Just apt update && apt upgrade, right?
[23:14] <sarnold> yeah
[23:14] <adderall> Yet, it seems like there's another command to do a full upgrade
[23:14] <adderall> I just use those to upgrade the packages, dependencies, firmware etc
[23:14] <adderall> ... security patches
[23:15] <sarnold> there's three usual commands: apt update (best), apt-get upgrade, apt full-upgrade (quite a lot like the apt-get upgrade)
[23:15] <sarnold> siiiiigh
[23:15] <sarnold> there's three usual commands: apt upgrade (best), apt-get upgrade, apt full-upgrade (quite a lot like the apt-get upgrade)
[23:15] <adderall> apt full-upgrade
[23:15] <sarnold> my fingers are very used to typing apt update && apt upgrade  :) so they went ahead and typed what they know..
[23:15] <Jeremy31> dist-upgrade
[23:15] <sarnold> ffs
[23:15] <sarnold> can I go back to bed? :)
[23:16] <adderall> dist-upgrade removes unneeded dependencies
[23:16] <Jeremy31> no
[23:16] <sarnold> anyway, apt upgrade is best, it's least likely to uninstall something important, but will include new packages (like kernels) when they're released
[23:16] <Jeremy31> adderall: It might
[23:16] <adderall> Well, I just have a script that runs apt update -y && apt upgrade -y
[23:17] <adderall> If I have to do something specific, I'll research the commands
[23:17] <adderall> Of course, you can always use the man command