[00:09] <leftyfb> WFT
[00:09] <leftyfb> WTF
[00:10] <leftyfb> pretty sure that Drone bot is a bit too aggressive 
[00:11] <sarnold> hah, it probably got a giant burst of data from irccloud flaking in and out
[00:12] <leftyfb> it needs to learn it's place! :)
[00:12] <leftyfb> who the hell changes their password when they're drunk?
[00:13] <oerheks> grinn
[00:57] <gry> I've found words "cloud", "project", "activity", and "using" to be complete garbage; often they can be replaced with something more specific and clear. now a new addition to the list: "{i,it} can't".
[00:58] <gry> whatever that user "can't" boot into grub for? it's a vagueness.
[00:59] <sarnold> he rarely makes sense
[00:59] <sarnold> I know english isn't his native language, but it feels like he's drunk himself to incoherence
[01:07] <gry> it seems in his original message he was a bit more clear actually, he said he has unsaved work
[01:47] <leftyfb> has he returned or are we referring to the conversation from almost 2 hours ago?
[01:48] <sarnold> leftyfb: two hours ago
[01:48] <leftyfb> they left the instant we told them the only way was to reboot. They were clearly trying to gain unauthorized access. Pretty sure that's the end of it
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:13] <gry> hi
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> hey there gry 
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> whats happening in france
[03:15] <gry> no clue
[03:15] <gry> i've not been to france before
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> hmm my bad then, my memory lacks then
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> where you from again
[03:18] <daftykins> j'habit au Guernsey
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:19] <gry> Australia
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> ah down under mate
[03:20] <gry> yes, and I grew up in Russia
[03:21] <noobaroo> Does IRC really show IP address of everyone that joins?
[03:22] <gry> yes, unless they got a nickserv account and visited #libera-cloak, or they use an anonymity network
[03:23] <daftykins> bit late if you don't auth before you join channels :)
[03:23] <noobaroo> I just visited there, did it work?
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> yep
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> user/noobaroo
[03:26] <noobaroo> Is there a channel where I can get help installing on an old powerpc iMac?
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> !mac
[03:30] <noobaroo> That's great and all, but my mac is not listed there
[03:31] <noobaroo> It's a PowerPC. I think only one of the older Ubuntus supports its. 
[03:31] <noobaroo> Also I'd prefer a channel
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> noobaroo: #ubuntu is the support channel, but only for the recent supported ubuntu releases
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> EOL releases like you would need, volunteers cant help you with
[03:36] <gry> at least not in the official channel
[03:36] <gry> maybe in some other channel
[03:37] <gry> why did they drop powerpc support in newer releases?
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> another option could be searching for other distro's that pickup old powerpc's?
[03:41] <_9p> Let #windows never win!
[03:44] <daftykins> it always wins 'cause WiFi works and isn't still a chore, a decade later! ;)
[04:36] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[10:22] <black_swordsman2> hi everyone
[10:23] <black_swordsman2> need some help in deciding a powerful laptop for data science
[10:23] <black_swordsman2> confused regarding choosing which brand and gpu
[10:25] <black_swordsman2> wiki page seems to be outdated
[10:34] <tomreyn> black_swordsman2: there are laptops which are sold with linux pre-installed, this can be a good choice, but it's not strictly necessary. 
[10:36] <tomreyn> i guess the first thing you should decide is which gpu you will want. if you definitely require cuda, you may want nvidia. but nvidia really only works well with the prorpietary drivers and those can be a bit annoying to get / keep working
[10:38] <tomreyn> then maybe look at the linux-first/-only vendors and see whether they have something suitable on offer. you *may* not get the ideal price/performance deal that way, though.
[10:39] <tomreyn> black_swordsman2: the market you'll be buying in can matter much, too. the latest hardware is usually only available in the countries where vendors make the most money.
[10:57] <tomreyn> black_swordsman2: in csse you lost the chat log, it will be here with ~30m delay: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/02/17/%23ubuntu-discuss.html
[11:00] <Ravage> got a tiker lake i5 (HP 250 G8) yesterday. with the HWE kernel everything worked just fine. wifi too.
[11:00] <Ravage> but i was curious to try jammy. so i updated. in general i never had a lot of driver issues with hardware lately
[11:01] <Ravage> also the thinkpads usally are well supported. but i can only speak for devices 2 years old here
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> Ravage: a lot of bugs currently still on jammy, here on a clevo i5
[11:12] <Ravage> The iso I had still had a bug with creating a Luks partition
[11:13] <Ravage> But upgrade from 20.04 worked
[11:13] <Ravage> I saw that there was a fixed build out later
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> probably a known bug Ravage 
[11:13] <Ravage> It seems to be a recurring bug every release :)
[11:14] <Ravage> Or pre release
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> yeah, the penalty of bug testing early devel releases :p
[11:15] <Ravage> But i really found no bugs at all so far. System runs stable. Can break every day of course. But it's not an Important system
[11:15] <Ravage> So i can live with that
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> are you on -desktop Ravage ?
[11:16] <Ravage> yes
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> well probably a lot of bugs from daily iso, you might skip due early upgrade
[11:17] <Ravage> i dont plan to update my servers to jammy before the release for sure :D
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> i got a broken cheese video, flickering screen panel bug, switching workspaces gnome errors, bad wifi and eth, and a few other app bugs
[11:19] <Ravage> uh. that sounds kind of horrible :)
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lotuspsychje/+affectingbugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> if you wanna test a few
[11:22] <Ravage> will check them out after lunch
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> and bon apetit!
[11:26] <Jeremy31> lotuspsychje: disable wifi power management and it might help that Intel
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> think they removed that option on jammy Jeremy31 
[11:28] <Jeremy31> sudo iwconfig wlp2s0 power off
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> no output after Jeremy31 
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> howto check if it worked
[11:28] <Jeremy31> check iwconfig again
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> oh yeah, worked
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> Power Management:off
[11:29] <Jeremy31> check>  sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[11:30] <Jeremy31> wifi.powersave=3 will allow Network Manager to enable power management
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> wifi.powersave = 3
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> afk a bit first
[11:33] <Jeremy31> sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[11:35] <Jeremy31> It usually helps to use the iwlwifi parameter 11n_disable=8 enabling aggressive TX
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> Jeremy31: done, wifi.powersave = 2
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/sulzme/my_unix_stickers_finally_came/
[14:07] <leftyfb> Yup, I’ve bought those a couple times
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> wich pack did you grab
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> !no advantage is <reply> Ubuntu Advantage is a single, per-node package of the most comprehensive enterprise security and support for open source infrastructure and applications, with managed service offerings available. Visit at https://ubuntu.com/support
[14:18] <sreve> Hello everybody. Any suggestions about Landscape? Can it support us by manageing about 50 kiosk systems? All clients are hard to reach, so driving out must be a last option.
[15:08] <oerheks> Manage up to 40,000 machines.. so, yeah
[15:08] <oerheks> https://landscape.canonical.com/
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> sreve: ^
[15:20] <Jeremy31> lotuspsychje: if disabling power management fixes it see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1960817
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> tnx Jeremy31 gonna test a few days wifi now
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> Jeremy31: same chipset worked fine on 20.04 by the way
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> no tweaks or whatsoever
[15:23] <sreve> well, 40,000 ok ... but that is only a quantity.
[15:24] <sreve> can I see the screen output (VNC) with landscape?
[15:25] <leftyfb> sreve: I don't think that is the purpose of landscape
[15:25] <leftyfb> sreve: what's wrong with ssh?
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> i think sreve perhaps means a remote viewer on his kiosks?
[15:25] <leftyfb> ah right, kiosks
[15:26] <sreve> I do not know the exact specifications yet, but someone was talking about "teamviewer" remote access. I don't like to use teamviewer, when there are better solutions.
[15:26] <leftyfb> sreve: by better you mean free right?
[15:27] <sreve> no, must not be free.
[15:27] <leftyfb> other than cost, VNC is far from better than teamviewer
[15:27] <sreve> landscape isnt free eigther.
[15:28] <sreve> ok, but I have to do my own VNC solution outside from landscape.
[15:28] <leftyfb> I do not think landscape supports remote desktop
[15:29] <leftyfb> sreve: if you care about performance, reliability or security, VNC isn't the way to go
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> +1
[15:30] <sreve> VNC to the qnap(NAS) beside my, is horrible, yes.
[15:31] <sreve> I should create some VMs and test it. Landscape is free up to 3 hosts.
[16:39] <sreve> landscape requires 18.04 ... not so good.
[17:18] <leftyfb> sreve: as in, it won't work on 20.04?
[17:38] <sreve> leftyfb: but without support
[18:20] <oerheks> sreve, so upgrade to 20.04? who wants to run such old version anyway?