[00:00] <sarnold> leftyfb: ahhhhh
[00:00] <sarnold> leftyfb: I did a "± apt-rdepends libreadline-dev | fgrep ++" and was curious what I missed :) hah
[00:00] <leftyfb> there are no files in ubuntu with "lstdc" in the name
[00:00] <dTal> -l is a linker flag
[00:01] <dTal> stdc++ is a package name
[00:01] <dTal> its saying it can't find the C++ standard library
[00:02] <leftyfb> dTal: do you have build-essential installed?
[00:02] <dTal> I do indeed
[00:02] <leftyfb> libc++1-12 ?
[00:02] <dTal> I've built many things on this machine but this is my first attempt to build something with clang
[00:03] <dTal> no, libc++1-10
[00:03] <leftyfb> dTal: what version of ubuntu?
[00:04] <dTal> 20.04
[00:05] <leftyfb> dTal: https://stackoverflow.com/a/40827727    ignore replace version numbers appropriately
[00:06] <leftyfb> dTal: do you have libclang-10-dev installed?
[00:06] <Guest2987> I need help. I lost my password and im logged into the node but if i reboot it and go through the grub i will lose alot of stuff
[00:06] <Guest2987> i need to figure out how to do this via terminal or any download
[00:06] <oerheks> Guest2987, how did you lost your password??
[00:06] <Guest2987> i am in a admin user and my access is good
[00:07] <leftyfb> Guest2987: does it ask for password when you type: sudo su
[00:07] <Guest2987> i got intoxicated and changed it and i am still logged in
[00:07] <Guest2987> yeah when i type sudo su it asks for a password
[00:07] <Guest2987> but i am logged in
[00:07] <Guest2987> i dont know if that makes sense or not
[00:07] <leftyfb> Guest2987: https://itsfoss.com/how-to-hack-ubuntu-password/
[00:07] <dTal> leftyfb: no, but that shouldn't be required
[00:07] <Guest2987> using ubuntu 20.04
[00:07] <leftyfb> dTal: got any other ideas?
[00:08] <Guest2987> I cant go to the grub
[00:08] <Guest2987> you know this
[00:08] <Guest2987> i cant reboot it
[00:08] <leftyfb> Guest2987: why not?
[00:08] <Guest2987> because im not risking that you might be wrong
[00:08] <Guest2987> then im locked out
[00:08] <oerheks> still intoxicated?
[00:08] <Guest2987> im sober
[00:08] <Guest2987> been drinking coffee
[00:08] <oerheks> backup your data while you can
[00:08] <Guest2987> soberish
[00:08] <Guest2987> this is fucked.
[00:09] <leftyfb> Guest2987: the only way to reset the password(that we're going to help with) at this point is outside of the OS
[00:09] <Guest2987> i know we have a way to get access
[00:09] <leftyfb> !language | Guest2987
[00:09] <Guest2987> yes sir sorry
[00:09] <leftyfb> Guest2987: you can boot to GRUB and use recovery or use the live cd/USB
[00:10]  * leftyfb smacks Drone 
[00:13] <dTal> "I lost my password but I'm logged in but I can't reboot to grub help me reset the password" seems legit lol
[00:14] <dTal> ope, power just went out, gotta go. If someone knows the answer do ping me. Night all
[00:14] <oerheks> the grub part does not fit
[00:27] <driador> AA/pqrt
[05:01] <ewing> nick ewing
[05:07] <some-guy> hey all, i have a Ubuntu tech question I was wondering if someone could help me with
[05:07] <gry> yes?
[05:07] <kbdlnx123> yes
[05:08] <some-guy> I have two computers both running Lubuntu. I need to update the OS on one and I want to transfer a large number of files from the computer I need to update the OS to the other
[05:08] <some-guy> is there an easy way to do this? With macs you can setup the computer to ask as a drive
[05:09] <matsaman> some-guy: ask as a drive?
[05:09] <some-guy> *act
[05:09] <some-guy> meaning it will appear as a hard drive you can pull files from
[05:10] <some-guy> then makes transfering large number of large files easy
[05:10] <some-guy> *this
[05:10] <some-guy> does ubuntu have a feature like this?
[05:10] <some-guy> I need to transfer a large number of files off one computer before I update the OS
[05:10] <some-guy> as backup
[05:11] <Bashing-om> some-guy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159449 <-easiest way to cp files 'tween two 'buntus  .
[05:12] <circuitbone> old osx had target disk mode, new m1 essentially shares a folder
[05:13] <some-guy> Bashing-om - sounds good thanks for the reference
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> Ravage: did you end up reporting that freenode bug on LP?
[06:25] <gnask> Good morning Ubuntu gods, i installed 20.04 on a Dell XPS laptop, and i cant get the external monitors connected to the dock to work, any ideas ? They dont show up in the display settings, all other usb connected devices work from the dock
[06:26] <cronjob> reinstall the drivers or download alternate drivers
[06:26] <cronjob> Update the firmware
[06:27] <cronjob> Well, actually, the firmware probably won't come into play
[06:27] <gnask> Ok, do you mind help me with that? Not quite sure how to find the drivers
[06:27] <gnask> as they are not listed on the Dell website
[06:28] <matsaman> gnask: what kernel?
[06:29] <gnask> matsaman: 5.13.0-28-generic
[06:29] <matsaman> bios?
[06:30] <gnask> 1.12.0
[06:30] <gnask> matsaman: XPS 15 9500 Service tag-nummer: C3CS493 (Thats the laptop)
[06:36] <matsaman> gnask: what's the graphics device?
[06:37] <gnask> matsaman: 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics (rev 05)
[06:38] <matsaman> gnask: does only one screen plugged in work?
[06:39] <gnask> matsaman: Only the "primary" built in one on the laptop, the other two connected via DVI in the dock does not work
[06:40] <matsaman> what if you unplug one of the dvi
[06:41] <gnask> matsaman, nothing
[06:41] <matsaman> and if you leave one dvi out and re-plug the other dvi a couple times?
[06:43] <gnask> matsaman: Nope, No DP signal
[06:44] <matsaman> what's the dock model?
[06:45] <gnask> M4TJG
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> journalctl -f and unplug/plug and catch the errors gnask
[06:49] <gnask> lotuspsychje: Doesnt display any error related to the displays
[06:51] <matsaman> hum, there are some disconcerting threads about some other dell docks
[06:51] <gnask> matsaman, oh ?
[06:53] <matsaman> https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9300-and-WD19TB-linux-problem/td-p/7644488/page/6
[06:53] <matsaman> gnask: did you try it from the live OS?
[06:53] <matsaman> trying from a more recent Ubuntu version live OS might also be worthwhile
[06:53] <gnask> matsaman, nope, installed it
[06:56] <gnask> matsaman: i also found this, https://github.com/phillipberndt/autorandr/issues/88#issuecomment-805016881 <-- Workaround ?
[06:57] <matsaman> gnask: worth a try
[06:57] <gnask> matsaman: How do i go about it?
[07:01] <matsaman> gnask: install autorandr from universe, see if it has the --single-xrandr-pass param
[07:04] <gnask> matsaman:  PM`ed you, dont have a ubuntu account to paste
[07:04] <gnask> the parameter did not work
[07:04] <jwash> hi everyone i want to write an update command into a bash script and make it run with cron, is this a bad idea?
[07:05] <matsaman> jwash: there are worse ideas
[07:06] <jwash> make a new user with the one privilege of running updates?
[07:18] <matsaman> jwash: just to sequester the script?
[07:18] <matsaman> you could, although I suppose putting the script into root's home dir would also suffice
[07:21] <Guest83> I keep getting this error. "to play video you may need to install the required video codecs"
[07:22] <Guest83> VLC is installed and i have installed many codecs yet it wont let me play videos on Netflix. Any guidance would be appreciated.
[07:24] <matsaman> Guest83: what browser? Non-private window?
[07:24] <Guest83> Firefox
[07:24] <Guest83> New install on the Ubuntu 20.04
[07:24] <Guest83> matsaman
[07:24] <Guest83> Thank you for your guidance by the way
[07:24] <jwash> matsaman +1
[07:25] <matsaman> Guest83: try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1237114/watching-netflix-in-firefox-on-ubuntu-20-04-generates-error-f7355
[07:26] <Guest83> It is installed already matsaman
[07:26] <Guest83> Still have same issue
[07:26] <Guest83> I also have DRM enabled
[07:26] <Guest83> Just in case how can I check ?
[07:26] <Guest83> The DRM
[07:27] <Guest83> Thank you again sir
[07:27] <Guest83> Was worried I would not find the help right now
[07:27] <matsaman> it's pretty late, yeah
[07:28] <Guest83> What else would you recommend sir?
[07:28] <matsaman> Guest83: you've got libavcodec-extra, ffmpeg, & libwidevinecdm0 ?
[07:29] <Guest83> One moment let me check.
[07:30] <Guest83> A few I am missing
[07:30] <Guest83> We will see what it does. Thank you again.
[07:30] <Guest83> If i disconnect I will be right back :)
[07:31] <Guest83> The last one doesn't work on sudo apt-get install libwidevinecdm0
[07:31] <Guest83> I am curious what repository I need
[07:31] <Guest83> Wanted to double check before I try again
[07:34] <matsaman> Guest83: yeah I don't see it
[07:34] <Guest83> I tried
[07:34] <Guest83> One moment let me see
[07:34] <Guest83> I still have same issue
[07:34] <Guest83> It needs codecs yet i believe i installed it correctly. perhaps a permission issue?
[07:35] <Guest83> what would you recommend sir
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> apt policy ubuntu-restricted-extras Guest83
[07:36] <Ravage> lotuspsychje: yep. reported and already fixed
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate, and nice find ra
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Ravage
[07:37] <Guest83> https://pastebin.com/GEsiWxve
[07:38] <Guest83> lotuspsychje
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> seems installed Guest83
[07:40] <Guest83> Then why is Netflix not working?
[07:40] <Guest83> Still says codec issue
[07:40] <matsaman> you can check your firefox prefs to make sure DRM stuff isn't somehow disabled
[07:40] <Guest83> How?
[07:40] <matsaman> maybe: Preferences > General > Digital Rights Management (DRM) Content
[07:40] <Guest83> Thank you for the guidance matsaman
[07:40] <Guest83> One moment
[07:41] <Guest83> It is enabled matsaman
[07:42] <Guest83> What else would you recommend?
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> another browser test
[07:42] <Guest83> That is a smart idea. I thought it was privlige related.
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> like chromium for example
[07:42] <Guest83> I lack data to do this.
[07:43] <Guest83> Firefox should work
[07:43] <Guest83> It is not hardware related. I have the capabilities
[07:45] <Guest83> I installed every command you tell me. The VLC is installed and it should work. I figured that would do the job but something is not right
[07:46] <Guest83> I guess I leave. Thank you for the help you tried to give me. I will find someone more experienced.
[09:15] <gabriel> Hi, anyone knows how to disable system suspend when laptop lid is closed? System: ubuntu-server without GUI so I'm looking for solution based on text config files or commands. Thanks!
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> gabriel: i could give you the dconf value on gnome, but as you run CLI maybe best ask the #ubuntu-server guys?
[09:33] <gabriel> thank, I'll ask there.
[09:36] <Gwalenn> hi, how I can make substitutions of /mnt/tto by /ttt/tto in vim ? the caracter / is used in the command line ?
[09:39] <weedmic> I do nmap and see lines like this "MAC Address: 00:18:4D:93:09:42 (Netgear)", what is the Negear?  I know it is not the hostname.  I want to set that on various machines so they also list what they are when nmap is run.
[09:42] <weedmic> most machiens are "MAC Address: 30:1F:9A:D0:F9:C9 (Unknown)"
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> weedmic: more a question for #networking perhaps?
[09:53] <weedmic> I'm just asking what is in that field, or what it is called, but I'll ask there
[09:55] <tomreyn> gabriel: /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[09:57] <tomreyn> Gwalenn: press escape, then type: :%s;/mnt/tto;/ttt/tto;    optionally append modifiers such as 'g' to the end to make multiple substitutions per line
[09:58] <Gwalenn> tomreyn, ok thanks a lot
[09:59] <gabriel> Hi weedmic - note that MAC address is hardware ID so we can check MAC address on https://macaddress.io/mac-address-lookup/3nklNEbG2K - this page tells that MAC address 00:18:4D:93:09:42 belongs to vendor Netgear
[10:00] <tomreyn> Gwalenn: anything after the % is extended perl regular expression syntax, as you'd also be using with sed
[10:00] <tomreyn> gabriel: they're gone, i'm afraid
[10:00] <gabriel> so this name is ethernet interface vendor, not hostname
[10:11] <black_swordsman2> hello everyone
[10:11] <EriC^^> hello
[10:12] <black_swordsman2> can anyone help me with deciding which laptop to purchase for ubuntu
[10:13] <black_swordsman2> I want something powerful for data science related tasks
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | black_swordsman2 here are a few brands
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> black_swordsman2: for more advice or discussion maybe take this to #ubuntu-discuss
[10:14] <black_swordsman2> thanks a lot everyone. I love Ubuntu community.. :)
[10:25] <explore> hey is there an intro/guide on how to install Ubuntu strictly Server distro for a headless PC, but being able to get a "remote desktop" to the X WIndow if I.. say.. install the Desktop Environment? So if I got a monitor hooked to this server, it shows console, but from some near-by development PC I can open up a remote X Window?
[10:26] <mitacho> Hello everyone!
[10:26] <explore> currently reading this write-up https://www.servermania.com/kb/articles/ubuntu-server-gui/
[10:26] <black_swordsman2> @explore
[10:26] <mitacho> Does Ubuntu 21.10 have USB microphone support?
[10:27] <Ravage> mitacho: yes
[10:27] <luna> mitacho, depends if its supported in the kernel but mostly yes
[10:28] <black_swordsman2> isn't there any way to have a web interface for a headless server like in case of NAS
[10:28] <explore> black: i don't know
[10:28] <black_swordsman2> @explore
[10:29] <black_swordsman2> that's how rtorrent works you know
[10:29] <mitacho> Oh, I've been having trouble using a USB microphone on Linux for two days now (Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian), the system detects the microphone but doesn't capture any audio. But the microphone works fine in Windows. :(
[10:29] <black_swordsman2> you get remote access using a web interface
[10:29] <explore> black: why are you pinging me twice
[10:29] <black_swordsman2> sorry new to irc
[10:29] <explore> pretty sure in a lot of social apps you don't ping people unnecessarily
[10:30] <explore> might be prudent to cut down on pinging
[10:30] <black_swordsman2> okay..so using @ is similar to poking?
[10:30] <black_swordsman2> been using social media wrongly for so long
[10:35] <Mitacho> Any ideas what I can do when the Kernel doesn't support USB microphone? I ran the command journalctl -f, and this is the result when I plug it into the USB port: https://pastebin.com/Fr89QevD
[10:35] <Mitacho> " fev 17 07:32:19 ubuntu kernel: usb 1-1.1: cannot submit urb 0, error -28: not enough bandwidth "
[10:53] <tomreyn> explore: you're probably looking for a way to set up a vnc or x2go server on this computer remotely via ssh
[10:53] <tomreyn> i don't know of a good how-to, though
[10:54] <tomreyn> also note that whether you're using classic X11 or current (X)Wayland as a graphics server will matter.
[10:55] <tomreyn> newer ubuntu versions will default to the latter
[11:42] <evit> was there an update for ssh yesterday? I seem to recall seeing one...
[11:42] <evit> But I don't see it on the sec notice page ~> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices
[11:43] <evit> on 18.04
[12:12] <ayrus> Hi, how to debug CPU usages. I'm having 4 CPU's and in the htop it shows 99%, and only 1-2 application are utilizing the CPU only 2-3 percent. How to debug that?
[12:13] <alkisg> Sort by CPU instead of PID or NAME
[12:14] <ayrus> alkisg: yes, I did sort. but only few process are utilizing CPU and those are very less. 2-3 percent only.
[12:15] <alkisg> ayrus: upload the screen to pastebin or to imgur
[12:17] <ayrus> alkisg: https://imgur.com/a/XFz956i
[12:17] <ayrus> alkisg: it's sorted by CPU
[12:18] <alkisg> ayrus: ah you mean load average, not cpu
[12:18] <ayrus> alkisg: sorry, yes I mean Load Average.
[12:18] <alkisg> That can happen if the processes get "starved" from disk access
[12:19] <alkisg> E.g. because one process uses the disk too much, or because it has hardware errors, or because it's on the network etc
[12:19] <alkisg> Run `dmesg` and check for errors
[12:19] <ayrus> alkisg: it's on AWS EC2 Instance. Disk is also available.
[12:20] <alkisg> I don't mean space, but disk "bandwidth"
[12:21] <alkisg> What's the output of dmesg?
[12:21] <Ravage> if its I/O you should see it with tools like iotop
[12:21] <ayrus> noted.
[12:24] <ayrus> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/BKgMKujc This one is the dmesg log.
[12:25] <alkisg> `kernel BUG at /build/linux-aws-GhnvTv/linux-aws-4.4.0/mm/memory.c:3214!` is repeated too many times  :)
[12:25] <alkisg> Don't expect the system to continue working properly after so many kernel segfaults. Try to reboot it and then see what went wrong.
[12:26] <Ravage> also 16.04 is not a supported release here. just saying :)
[12:27] <alkisg> Really? we're not allowed to chat for  ESM-supported releases, they're a secret or something? :D
[12:28] <ayrus> alkisg: ok, thanks.
[12:28] <alkisg> (I don't mean this specific one, but in general.. sure "not officially supported" but to blocking IRC chats sounds extreme...)
[12:28] <alkisg> ayrus: np
[12:28] <Maik> alkisg: as per channel topic: #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 18.04, 20.04, 21.10
[12:28] <alkisg> Maik: yeah I don't think that should be an official irc rule
[12:28] <ayrus> @Ravage: yes, I know that. I wanted to know the process of debugging, if the CPU Load Average is going high.
[12:29] <alkisg> I think that should be decided by the council. Anyway meta-talks are surely out of topic
[12:30] <ayrus> Ravage: thanks, I did iptop as well. IO operations are consumed by docker, but not that much.
[12:31] <ayrus> Ravage: iotop*
[14:09] <sreve> is someone here using landscape?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> sreve: landscape falls under ubuntu advantage, prob best to contact canonical for issues
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> !landscape
[14:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:11] <sreve> I have no issues, I just want to see, if it is working well and recommend by the community.
[14:11] <armadefuego> morning
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> sreve: feel free to start a topic in #ubuntu-discuss
[14:16] <sreve> lotuspsychje: ah, thanks
[14:17] <mike_> just trying the system
[14:28] <linsux> i'm not able to recover a ubuntu installation i copied from elsewhere
[14:51] <samy1028> linsux: any further details?  How do you mean not able to recover?  Does it kernel panic during boot, does it boot but things don't work?
[15:40] <web> quit
[16:03] <aldcor> hi! how do I safely remove gnome DE?
[16:04] <aldcor> i got KDE already
[16:07] <oerheks> adding a desktop is easy, removing ubuntu-desktop can be interesting
[16:07] <aldcor> yea, that's why I came here
[16:07] <aldcor> i assume it's not just one command
[16:09] <oerheks> sudo apt remove ubuntu-desktop --purge  should do it? or sudo apt remove ubuntu-desktop --purge
[16:18] <JordiGH> When I telnet into localhost 25 to try to talk to Postfix, it never responds.
[16:18] <JordiGH> It used to in older versions, so I don't know what changed. :(
[16:19] <JordiGH> nmap says there's something listening on port 25.
[16:19] <JordiGH> And there is! But it never seems to respond.
[16:20] <JordiGH> I can send email with mail(1) but I have no idea why that did work.
[16:22] <Maik> aldcor: why not install a KDE distro instead? Removing a desktop can be tricky and can lead to breakage
[16:22] <aldcor> meh, it's ok
[16:22] <aldcor> thanks
[16:40] <ice9> will ubuntu in the future move ALL the software packages to snap?
[16:40] <ice9> and will retire apt?
[16:41] <oerheks> ice9, no news about that
[16:42] <ogra> ice9, never ... debs are required by the snap build system
[16:52] <jhutchins> Does Canonical actually provide snaps, or are they all third-party?
[16:55] <oerheks> jhutchins, canonical does, AFAIK
[16:56] <oerheks> there *are* other packagers active, though
[17:22] <leftyfb> jhutchins: Canonical and other vendors both provide snaps. As can anyone else.
[17:40] <sreve> I need some help with my display manager and desktop environment. I stoped ldm, so after boot I am on the shell. I want to know, what managersd/environments are currently installed.
[17:41] <sreve> there is xfce4, but there is anotherone, that is started with ldm.
[17:42] <sreve> the one, that is running when I start ldm is very annoying, so I do "startxfce4" from the consople.
[17:43] <sreve> I think its gnome.
[18:11] <jhutchins> sreve: It's not clear how you got to this point, but you can use utilities like top and ps to see what programs are running (ps ax).
[18:12] <jhutchins> sreve: Gnome is the default desktop that's installed with standard Ubuntu, but there should have been choices and indications during your install.
[18:13] <jhutchins> sreve: One would expect an install of xfce to include it as a choice on the login/greeter screen.
[18:44] <Scrappy> how to connect an usb lcd display (2 lines display)??? Does someone know? please help...
[18:45] <ogra> is that a trick question ?
[18:45] <oerheks> Scrappy, state your ubuntu version and display specs?
[18:45] <Scrappy> no......
[18:45] <ogra> (you plug it into the USB socket ... preferably the right way arund)
[18:45] <Scrappy> ubuntu latest lts version
[18:46] <Scrappy> its a small ldc display with 2 lines for characters
[18:47] <ogra> if you want to know how to *use* it, thats surely a bit of work ... but i'd start with watching "dmesg -w"  while plugging it in
[18:47] <oerheks> lsusb would show a xxxx:yyyy hex number, and more
[18:47] <Scrappy> under windows you use something like LCDSmartie
[18:47] <ogra> ... that should show yu which devices the kernel creates for it
[18:48] <oerheks> sure there are other linux users who tried before..
[18:49] <ogra> Scrappy, beyond what i wrote above, take a look at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/LCDd.8.html
[18:50] <ogra> that should give you a rough direction ...
[18:50] <Scrappy> ogra > thx i will try
[19:04] <jhutchins> I'm a bit surprised that such a fringe application should be so well organized and publicised.
[19:05] <jhutchins> I guess it's all those Linux servers with the glowing green displays just begging to do something useful.
[19:07] <matsaman> which'n?
[19:08] <jhutchins> matsaman: I was refering to the LCD display support.
[19:08] <jhutchins> I guess they're pretty common in the RPi world as well.
[19:08] <matsaman> oh sure, sorry
[20:08] <ogra> jhutchins, the USB ones are rather rarely used in production though ... typically they are attached in a "more direct" way (serial, I2c, SPI)
[20:11] <rdz> hey all. i would like to display gradients on an external screen with a higher bit depth than 8 bit per channel. The monitor advertises itself as capable of 30 bit. how can i effectively use it?
[20:11] <rdz> with ubuntu i mean
[20:13] <jhutchins> rdz: What have you tried so far?
[20:13] <oerheks> i think you can only set global bpp
[20:15] <rdz> jhutchins, I haven't tried anything, but displaying gradeints with an opengl window shows steps. it looks like low bit depth
[20:15] <rdz> oerheks, how can you set global bpp?
[20:16] <rdz> oerheks, that is actually what i want.. to me it looks like my desktop is using 8bit per channel, altough the monitor is capable of more.. but i don't know how to change that setting
[20:16] <rdz> googling around suggests that ubuntu desktop is indeed 8b/ch
[20:20] <oerheks> write a xorg.conf, 24 for 8-bit or 30 for 10-bit https://linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_enable_10-bit_color_on_Linux
[20:21] <oerheks> Never done this myself, still i think it applies to both screens
[20:25] <rdz> oerheks, thanks.. i'll try this.. though writing an Xorg.conf file feeels like a thing from the 00's  :-)
[20:26] <GSMarquis> I feel like a simple brand change for Ubuntu like dropping the orange color would do wonders.....oh and also snaps.
[20:27] <echo> theyre gonna be only orange and drop purple
[20:40] <GSMarquis> Are you being sarcastic or serious?
[20:40] <oerheks> dropping snaps sounds sarcastic to me
[20:40] <oerheks> lolz
[20:41] <rdz> oerheks, according to Xorg.log i have 10 bit enabled and icons in file browser are all black... however the gradients still show steps.. so maybe there is another bitdepth bottleneck than the display.. anyway, you already helped a lot. thanks
[20:41] <GSMarquis> It was......Im a flatpak person. The color was not though.
[20:41] <oerheks> you don't like snaps? change distro
[20:41] <rdz> why changing distro? i disabled snaps and didn't miss anything yet
[20:41] <GSMarquis> I just dont use them. I enable flatpak.
[20:42] <oerheks> they you are not running gnome..
[20:43] <rdz> hm.. ok? i thought i am not running any snaps..
[20:43] <rdz> i use regular gnome desktop. what part comes from snap?
[20:44] <oerheks> snap list  would show you
[20:44] <rdz> snap: command not found
[20:48] <oerheks> regular gnome desktop ... on what linux ?
[20:48] <oerheks> wait, i dropped support for trolls and mint users
[20:48] <rdz> Ubuntu 20.04
[20:50] <rdz> oerheks, are you using a newer (non-LTS) version of Ubuntu?
[20:51] <jhutchins> rdz: Just FYI, writing an Xorg.conf is WAY before '00.  Pre-Linux at least.
[20:54] <rdz> jhutchins, ok. that makes me feel even older..
[20:56] <genii> !xorgconf
[20:56] <genii> hm
[20:58] <oerheks> genii, indeed, but one can put a custom one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[20:58] <jhutchins> For that matter, /etc/X11/xorg.conf works too.
[20:59] <jhutchins> ive or take [X|x]
[20:59] <rdz> there wasn't a xorg.conf.d directory on my computer, but I created it and put the section in there and it seems Xorg read it
[21:00] <jhutchins> rdz: It could be a limitation of whatever software you're using to display gradients too.  Is this just the background setting for the gnome desktop?
[21:01] <rdz> no
[21:01] <jhutchins> rdz: Yes, that's how the .d folders generally work.
[21:02] <rdz> no, not the desktop background.. its the display of Gem, a graphics external for puredata
[21:02] <rdz> apt show gem
[21:02] <rdz> i was hoping an openGL window would actually use the full 10 bit
[21:02] <rdz> but apparently, it isn't
[21:11] <jhutchins> !info gem
[21:13] <jhutchins> rdz: It could also be a limit of whatever is generating the gradient.  I know my systems do a pretty good job of displaying photos with full color depth using a variety of very low-level photo display programs and default desktop (xfce4) settings.
[21:14] <jhutchins> I've done some pretty deep graphics work, but that was several hardware generations ago.
[21:14] <jhutchins> Toughest problem I had was getting the DPI configurations set for certain applications.
[21:14] <rdz> jhutchins, it could absolutely be a limitation of the tool. i'm not knowledgable anough to know, though
[21:15] <rdz> jhutchins, i guess instead of making it work with 10bit, i just add dither to mask the steps
[21:15] <rdz> then it will show ok with regular 8b/ch display settings
[21:15] <rdz> or at least, i hope so
[21:16] <jhutchins> Whatever gets the job done.
[22:16] <Chunkyz> hi! I have a new pc (hp 800 g2 mini) I can't install Ubuntu. I make an .ISO (from xubuntu's site) or even the legacy (mini.iso for 20.04) but every time I try and boot, it brings me back to the boot menu. I've tried uefi and legacy. and I've tried gpt. I can't get it to boot. any ideas? currently typing this from Windows 11.
[22:17] <Chunkyz> I've tried with DD via Debian 11 (which worked but I wanted to dual boot with windows) and I've tried rufus (on windows 11)
[22:17] <Chunkyz> am I missing something?
[22:18] <enyc> Chunkyz: all ubuntu images  souldn't be modded with rufus/etc
[22:18] <enyc> just need raw-writing
[22:19] <Chunkyz> enyc, I'm not *modding* them.
[22:19] <enyc> most likely you have a bad image write,  maybe an existing FS was auto-mounted before writing with dd ?
[22:19] <Chunkyz> nah that's not it.
[22:19] <sarnold> did you disable windows fast boot?
[22:19] <enyc> sarnold: oooo good point
[22:20] <Chunkyz> yeah
[22:20] <enyc> Chunkyz: fwiw dual booting can be pain, virtualizing windows can be better, boot can get messed up later etc etc ;/
[22:20] <sarnold> I've heard about various machines making it very hard to actually change the boot order
[22:20] <Chunkyz> never had an issue before enyc it's just this PC is new to me. lol
[22:20] <sarnold> and I want to say HP was on that list
[22:21] <sarnold> but who knows, they probably buy computers from the same three vendors that everyone else does, too
[22:21] <cbreak> yeah, ubuntu is well known to messing up booting :(
[22:21] <cbreak> apparently there's an open ticket about it for years and it hasn't been fixed
[22:21] <cbreak> but I don't think that's the problem here
[22:21] <enyc> Chunkyz: I'd be tempted to compare with few different images  e.g. try  different ubuntu image versions,   mint 20.3 (ubuntu derivative)  and  MXLinux-21  (a good debian XFCE distro)  ...  see if you get same issues or not ...  imho
[22:21] <enyc> start narrowing down combination of issuse
[22:21] <cbreak> Chunkyz: have you tried the 21.10 image? Maybe something newer works better.
[22:22] <enyc> fwiw HP consumer kit eurgh  annoying
[22:22] <cbreak> I had problems booting LTS here, but 20.10 back then worked
[22:22] <cbreak> (also, I used ubuntu images, not xubuntu)
[22:22] <enyc> Installing 21.10 now  to upgrade to 22.04LTS after release,  is perfectly acceptable imho
[22:28] <Chunkyz> hm, ubuntu 21.10 server is doing the exact same; I go into my bios, press boot from the USB I installed it to and it goes straight back to the boot menu. :-(
[22:29] <enyc> Chunkyz: i'd try firmware/bios update if there is available
[22:29] <enyc> Chunkyz: I wonder if something like  secure boot nedes turning off
[22:29] <Chunkyz> yeah already tried updating the bios.
[22:29] <Chunkyz> enyc, can't disable SB because of win11
[22:29] <enyc> Chunkyz: MXlinux 21  is significantly different image i'd also try
[22:29] <enyc> Chunkyz: eurgh
[22:31] <enyc> Chunkyz: I don't really know about uefi secure boot in detail, but I'd have thought it could be temprorarially disabled
[22:31] <enyc> see if thats part of it, get any stick to boot, etc tec
[22:40] <jhutchins> cbreak: ... especially given that there are thousands of people who are using Ubuntu in dual boot configurations, and have been for several decades.
[22:42] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: Do check the CRC of the downloaded iso file, and see if you can check the integrety of the burned image.
[22:42] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: Some iso writing programs don't write bootable images properly.
[22:44] <jhutchins> Actually, the question of whether you can boot an installer or live image has nothing to do with dual-boot, that's a question for how you configure it when the installer is running.
[22:45] <enyc> jhutchins: I was aware rufus can tend to  try to make images hdd-bootable, and all that... when ubuntu images are already  BIOS CD-no-emulation-boot + BIOS mbr/ptbl boot + UEFI boot  all in one carefully pre-arranged
[22:45] <enyc> jhutchins: and also that dd'ing can easily go wrong due to partition being automounted already
[22:49] <cluelessperson> can someone suggest a high speed (gigabit) wifi usb adapter for use with ubuntu?
[22:49] <cluelessperson> I tried buying one myself, but they turned out to be trash.
[22:53] <jhutchins> https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ <- this used to be the standard for burning iso images, it's been a while since I did one.
[22:53] <jhutchins> Rufus needs to use the DD option.
[23:05] <Chunkyz> Disabling secure boot, then installing server and I'm back t Square one.
[23:06] <Chunkyz> https://i.postimg.cc/5yCm3N1p/IMG-20220217-230443.jpg
[23:06] <Chunkyz> No matter what I do 😅 that always shows up.
[23:08] <Chunkyz> So annoying
[23:11] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: https://www.linuxlinks.com/hp-elitedesk-800-g2-mini-desktop-pc-linux/3/ seems to suggest all you'd need to do is to disable Fast Boot and Secure Boot.
[23:12] <Chunkyz> Yeah I've tried that
[23:13] <MonoL> If I sudo nano can I then edit and save text files and they´ll keep the original permissions?
[23:14] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: have you checked the hdd for errors?
[23:15] <tomreyn> MonoL: i would think so, but maybe just give it a try to be sure?
[23:16] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: I did, was fine.
[23:16] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: which utility did you use?
[23:17] <MonoL> Ok it´s just I´m not used to this kind of work and I don´t want to experiment and mess it up
[23:18] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: the one built into the bios.
[23:18] <Chunkyz> Brb
[23:19] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: use smortmon-tools from the desktop installer / live iso
[23:19] <tomreyn> * smartmontools
[23:22] <jhutchins> What does the condition of the hard disk have to do with booting an iso?
[23:23] <MonoL> cd ~ takes me home, but how do I get to /etc?
[23:23] <tomreyn> jhutchins: nothing, i would think. why are you asking?
[23:23] <tomreyn> MonoL:  cd /etc
[23:24] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: I can boot the server iso, fhen6
[23:24] <Chunkyz> Then tells me no boot device after it's installed
[23:25] <MonoL> tomreyn: Thanks, that worked!
[23:25] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: what's "fhen6"? other than that, you seem to have said so before
[23:25] <Chunkyz> Typo
[23:27] <MonoL> Strange that if I cd ~ it takes me to the user home and /etc isn't there but still cd /etc from there takes me to /etc . Strange behaviour.
[23:28] <tomreyn> MonoL: it's just that ~ is a special shorthand. try this: echo ~
[23:29] <Chunkyz> Hmm
[23:30] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: how do you recommend I create this bootable image? Obviously Rufus isn't working
[23:31] <Chunkyz> I've tried gpt
[23:31] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: so this is on windows? rufus in dd mode should work with any ubuntu iso
[23:31] <Chunkyz> Gpt or mbr?
[23:31] <tomreyn> ...that is not legacy
[23:31] <tomreyn> you shouldn't need to select a partition table
[23:31] <oerheks> no boot device after it's installed .. change boot order, and hdd order?
[23:32] <Chunkyz> oerheks: tried that too.
[23:32] <Chunkyz> Sec let me try tomreyn
[23:34] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: if rufus still won't work for you for some reason, balena etcher is pretty fail safe.
[23:38] <echo> i was being serious, i read ubuntu is gonna go back to being orange and drop the purple. i guess theyre going back to where they came from.
[23:39] <tomreyn> echo: this channel is for support
[23:39] <echo> i know sorry
[23:39] <oerheks> echo,  read what you want, we have no such info
[23:39] <echo> ok
[23:49] <Chunkyz> It's installed!!!
[23:49] <sarnold> nice, what was it?