[00:21] <Chunkyz> sarnold, don't ask me how or why lol but... had to disable secure boot, enable legacy boot then boot from uefi and it installed. weird.
[00:22] <Chunkyz> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "impish" 21.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6500T CPU @ 2.50GHz (2.50GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.1 GiB Total (14.7 GiB Free) Swap: 3.9 GiB Total (3.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.2 TB / 3.1 TB (2.0 TB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 11m 18s
[00:22] <Chunkyz> but I'm getting weird screen tearing. :-(
[00:22] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: Not much surprise there, SecureBoot was developed to prevent people from booting to other media, specifically to prevent people from installing Linux.
[00:22] <sarnold> Chunkyz: that's a crazy series of things to try :) heh
[00:23] <oerheks> give more memory to your integrated intel thing
[00:25] <Chunkyz> oh, nevermind! fixed it. :-)
[00:26] <Chunkyz> it works now though, that's the main thing :-) looking forward to the next LTS! thanks guys. :-)
[00:26] <cbreak> ubuntu should have boot loaders that are signed by microsoft, which might be compatible with secure boot
[00:27] <cbreak> but I've never used them, maybe it doesn't work
[00:29] <oerheks> secure boot works fine, unless you want nvidia drivers
[00:29] <sarnold> oh? I thougth we signed those, too
[00:30] <Chunkyz> I installed everything through the server install, no more lubuntu/xubuntu loading screens!
[00:30] <Chunkyz> happy customer! thanks for the support. :-)
[00:35] <toddc> that explans why I have to turn off secureboot on some installs
[00:35] <sarnold> you install a lot of twelve year old software?
[00:38] <toddc> I usually try all uefi and secureboot first then turn off secureboot if install fails  it also seens to help if I use ubunt startup disk creator on a uefi machine no idea why
[00:44] <Chunkyz> will upgrading from 21.10 to 22.04 break things?
[00:54] <Bashing-om> !22.04 | Chunkyz
[01:14] <Chunkyz> Bashing-om: ??
[01:15] <Chunkyz> Why tag me in that 🤔
[01:16] <cluelessperson> Chunkyz, you there?
[01:16] <cluelessperson> Chunkyz, on debian, I recall running into an issue where some motherboards were not friendly with NVME installs and I had to specifically manually configure the ... what's it called.   bootloader install on the correct drive.
[01:19] <goddard> any note apps for linux that have spell checking because my spelling and grammer some time is lacking
[01:19] <goddard> just like that message
[01:19] <goddard> haha
[01:20] <cluelessperson> goddard, I use web based tools, like google keep.
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Chunkyz: Sorry to be unclear - inquiries about 22.04 go to #ubuntu-next channel - better eyes there :D
[01:25] <goddard> cluelessperson: alrighty
[01:44] <snowhawk> hi
[02:18] <ke4nhw> I have a question. I am having to consider another distribution for a business environment: my stepson is going to start a small business, an RV park. He will be providing internet (both wifi and wired) to his clients. So I need a rock-solid Linux distro for servers: host and vm. How much is it likely to cost to do this with Ubuntu, and is Ubuntu capable of doing such work (I prefer kvm for
[02:18] <ke4nhw> virtuals).
[02:18] <sarnold> heya ke4nhw :) you can use ubuntu lts for free if you wish
[02:19] <ke4nhw> ubunbu lts?
[02:19] <ke4nhw> Is that a lightweight version of ubuntu?
[02:19] <sarnold> ke4nhw: ubuntu is released every six months, and most are supported for nine months. every two years, in april, there's a new "long term support" release that has five years support, with an additional five years of "esm" support available for subscription..
[02:20] <sarnold> ke4nhw: the vast majority of people run the LTS releases, since they get the most bug fixing focus, the most third-party application support, and are pretty predictable
[02:21] <ke4nhw> so it would have a life cycle similar to Fedora, based on subscription?
[02:21] <ke4nhw> Or does the subscription just extend the life cycle from 5 to 10 years?
[02:22] <ke4nhw> And what is esm support?
[02:22] <sarnold> sorry :) I've been stuck in the jargon for so long..
[02:22] <ke4nhw> That's okay lol
[02:23] <sarnold> esm == extended security (and?) maintenance -- it's mostly security support after the free basic support ends, yeah
[02:23] <sarnold> it's not *exactly* for money, you can get three machines of esm for free, https://ubuntu.com/advantage
[02:24] <sarnold> but if you're talking a dozen machines, or a dozen VMs, and you want them to still get security support after five years, it'll cost a bit per machine, yeah
[02:24] <ke4nhw> So I can 5 years for free, then either upgrade or subscribe to continue support for the current version?
[02:24] <ke4nhw> Probably not a dozen, but I'd expect at least half a dozen...
[02:24] <sarnold> quite a lot of folks will just upgrade every two years, and either run the newest LTS release, or the "previous LTS" release
[02:25] <sarnold> but a lot of businesses run on slower cycles than that :)
[02:31] <oops> i install kodi on my ubutun20.04 from repository, it prompt "Err:1 http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 libfstrcmp0 amd64 0.7.D001-1.1build1
[02:31] <oops>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.38 80]
[02:31] <oops> " ,the ip can ping through ,and i search that package on pkg.org , it display none exist
[02:34] <sarnold> oops: that's strange -- you're the first to report problems here, I can't spot anything that looks out of hte ordinary .. is it still a problem?
[02:38] <Bashing-om> oops: libfstrcmp0 in package: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/kodi-gbm .
[02:39] <ke4nhw> So every two years ubuntu releases a version that is supported, without cost, completely, for 5 years? This means I could, depending on his needs, go 4 years between major upgrades?
[02:42] <sarnold> ke4nhw: yeah, pretty much
[02:43] <ke4nhw> 4 years would be an acceptable cycle. So, does the long term support, the two year model, just run behind the 6 month distribution? Is this similar to Fedora/Centos/RedHat layout, where Fedora updates frequently, yet by time it distills down to RedHat it's running slightly behind, but it's much more stable since it's tested by that point?
[02:44] <sarnold> ke4nhw: I've got a 16.04 VM, two 18.04 machines, three 20.04 machines; the 16.04 is on a free ESM plan, the others are still in standard support. one of these days I'll re-standardize everything, probably a bit after 22.04 is out
[02:45] <sarnold> ke4nhw: the LTS releases are cut from the exactly the same stream of packages as the "interim" releases -- the development release is constantly importing packages from debian unstable, until some point in the release cycle that process is stopped
[02:45] <sarnold> ke4nhw: debian unstable still keeps churning along at whatever rate it churns at, in the meantime
[02:49] <ke4nhw> So Debian is an unstable distribution, or is 'debian unstable' a testbed platform, similar to Fedora? Is Debian the testbed for Ubuntu, or is it a separate distro altogether?
[02:52] <sarnold> debian is a separate distribution altogether; debian unstable is a bit like a rolling release, every year or two or three they stablize for a bit and focus on interoperability and bug fixes and so on and then make a new stable release, and then go back to uploading new versions of packages to unstable whenever it's convenient
[02:53] <sarnold> ubuntu builds on the unstable releases, and puts some predictability to the releases -- every six months -- with the intention of trying to make sure the changes along the way make sense together, that upstream application authors get feedback from releases more often, etc
[02:53] <sarnold> so, ubuntu does some 'real world' testing of packages before those packages are released in a debian stable
[03:00] <ke4nhw> Okay, so Ubuntu LTS, and Debian, are both end products, similar to RHEL, therefore stable?
[03:01] <sarnold> that's the idea, yeah
[04:28] <Guest83> I was curious if anyone knew of a software to increase the volume past 100%
[04:28] <Guest83> I had one before but I have forgot the name of it
[04:28] <Guest83> It let me increase the volumes on firefox and other software individually
[04:41] <ke4nhw> I don't know about software, but you can't go wrong with having a home theater system with huge ass speakers attached to your computer
[04:41] <ke4nhw> Always been my fave solution
[04:53] <yrdsb> want to install kde
[04:53] <yrdsb> do sudo -rf -rm --no-preserve-root
[04:54] <yrdsb> sudo -rf -rm --no-preserve-root for kde
[04:56] <KBar> yrdsb: no, this will destroy your current system and all files on it
[04:56] <yrdsb> [11:54:19 PM] <yrdsb> sudo -rf -rm --no-preserve-root for kde
[04:56] <yrdsb> [11:56:23 PM] <KBar> yrdsb: no, this will destroy your current system and all files on it
[04:56] <yrdsb> no it wil lgive kds
[04:57] <KBar> yrdsb: try KDE in a Live session first, or install it in a VM
[04:57] <yrdsb> want kde
[04:57] <yrdsb> do sudo -rf -rm /*
[04:59] <adderall> Does anyone know how to get around system hangs at boot caused by snap loading too slow?
[04:59] <adderall> Apparently it's a bug but there has to be some way to circumvent or patch it.
[05:00] <KBar> adderall: i dont think theres anything other than reducing the number of snaps?
[05:00] <ke4nhw> Literally the most dangerous command in Linux, by reversing the command and switch
[05:02] <adderall> ke4nhw: are you talkin' to me or is that a reference to something else before I logged in?
[05:03] <ke4nhw> before you logged in, sorry
[05:03] <adderall> Yeah, I can even find the process causing it to hang
[05:04] <adderall> ... Looks like it's the full snap directory doing this
[05:04] <adderall> Could just disable snap at boot
[05:04] <ke4nhw> I don't know enough about ubuntu to even hazard a guess.
[05:06] <adderall> Well, the snap issue isn't just an Ubuntu thing. You can install snap on any linux
[05:07] <adderall> It just makes it easier to install certain packages and I find that with snap, the icons and gui features are nicer. But it does slow things down considerably
[05:07] <ke4nhw> Holy mother of God, I am seeing things in the Ubuntu pricing list in the $200,000/yr price range???? Um, yeah, ubuntu might just be too rich for my blood
[05:08] <ke4nhw> I haven't heard of it, and doesn't sound like I want to try it lol
[05:08] <KBar> ? Ubuntu is 100% free.
[05:08] <ke4nhw> I was looking at things under the enterprise/business pages
[05:09] <adderall> I'm not even sure what that means: Ubuntu is not free ... it's open source and free to install. This gets into the political arguments of what free software is, relating to GNU and Richard Stallman
[05:09] <adderall> I'm going to say it's free as in it doesn't cost $120, as compared to Windows
[05:09] <KBar> adderall: regardless of what he thinks, it's absolutely free in both meanings
[05:09] <adderall> I agree with KBar
[05:09] <KBar> you can get it for exactly 0 cents and do whatever you want with it
[05:10] <adderall> It's free enough. You don't have to pay for it. It used to come with Amazon on the desktop but Canonical quit doing that.
[05:10] <ke4nhw> And one reason I am considering ubuntu is for a busisness. Not mine, my stepson, it'll be a small business, but I don't need him getting hit with a "you're using this in a place that makes money so it violates the license agreement". Literally the same thing I nearly walked into before now
[05:10] <KBar> get rid of most the packages, install something else, etc.
[05:10] <adderall> What country are you in, ke4nhw? Just curious as it's very rare for business owners to use Linux in the U.S.
[05:10] <adderall> I'm interested in the idea of that! Very cool
[05:10] <adderall> It's mostly just used for servers here
[05:11] <ke4nhw> My idea of free is "can I use this at home, in a small business, or whatever, free of charge, without having a massive lawsuit. I'm here in the US, and this is for servers.
[05:11] <KBar> adderall: i heard ts pretty popular in SEA for kiosks?
[05:11] <adderall> Yep, haha, it's free
[05:11] <adderall> I'm sure it's used for cash registers in the U.S.
[05:11] <ke4nhw> He'll be using Windows on his desk of course, but backend stuff will be on Linux servers.
[05:11] <adderall> I noticed at Target that they were running Linux on the registers. I got super excited. My wife and father-in-law didn't care though, LOL
[05:12] <KBar> this is getting off-topic, lets maybe continue this on #ubuntu-discuss?
[05:12] <adderall> Yeah, OK ...
[05:12] <adderall> I can move to that chat. I'm not auto-joined to it, but I'm OK with that
[05:14] <ke4nhw> I'll be there in about 10 minutes, I'm getting pummeled by bad weather, the radar is only just starting to settle down, so I want to get a better look at what I'm getting before I talk to the folks at national weather service
[05:16] <ke4nhw> Okay, think I'm in the clear
[05:17] <ke4nhw> they dropped the warnings
[05:19] <ke4nhw> But no my concern was whether ubuntu can be used free in a business environment, something the website isn't entirely clear about. when I do look under the enterprise side of the website, I see links to pricing, and some of those numbers, especially under devices, climb way past my happy place. I'll keep digging though.
[06:15] <oops> when using kodi play iptv or videos , it has only sound  and no video image, how to fix it , my os is ubuntu20.04
[07:00] <foehammer> hello everyone, how are yall
[07:01] <KBar> foehammer: hi. How can we help you?
[07:03] <foehammer> I am ok, no help needed, this is just my default channel to load into
[07:06] <KBar> foehammer: alright. Keep in mind that this channel is for Ubuntu supported. You're expected to ask questions, so.
[07:06] <KBar> foehammer: for chit chat, visit appropriate channels like #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:19] <squid_game> How can I reset all the network settings including virtual interface definitions such as vlan etc? I tried systemctl stop network-manager and networking services but it didn't help
[07:20] <KBar> squid_game: `apt purge` `apt install`?
[07:22] <squid_game> KBar, do you mean to reinstall networking service?
[07:23] <KBar> squid_game: depends on what exactly you changed
[07:23] <squid_game> it's not specific to my laptop. I tried in different laptops, I get the same issue.
[07:24] <squid_game> KBar, is there another method that I can restart/reset all the networking interfaces and settings, as fresh as restarting the laptop?
[07:27] <KBar> squid_game: `iptables -F`?
[07:28] <squid_game> KBar, I tried as well, but didn't help. AFAIK, it is to refresh the ip rules, doesn't effect the interfaces
[07:29] <KBar> squid_game: then just `systemctl restart`
[07:31] <squid_game> KBar, systemctl restart "what service"? It's also my question :)
[07:31] <KBar> squid_game: depending on what you have. it's network-manager by default
[07:32] <KBar> squid_game: so it would be NetworkManager.service
[07:32] <KBar> i dont know what your computer has
[07:32] <KBar> if its a server or a desktop
[07:32] <squid_game> I have ubuntu 18.04 desktop
[07:33] <squid_game> I tried all the network* services. I have 3 of them, it didn't help.
[07:33] <KBar> squid_game: try the one starting with a capital N
[07:33] <squid_game> do you know another method or another service that might work?
[07:33] <KBar> NetworkManager.service
[07:34] <squid_game> I don't have it. I only have networkd-dispatcher.service  network-manager.service      network-pre.target            networking.service           network-online.target        network.target
[07:34] <squid_game> I tried all the *.services
[07:34] <KBar> Yeah, you probably did something wrong on your system then. It should be there.
[07:36] <KBar> squid_game: can you verify that? `systemctl list-units --all` and then search for 'NetworkManager.service'
[07:37] <squid_game> KBar, I am using a work latop. AFAIK, we use a modified ubuntu by Canonical. Perhaps they removed some of the services. Yes, I don't have NetworkManager.service
[07:38] <KBar> squid_game: how about systemd-networkd.service?
[07:38] <squid_game> if I stop the *.services, it disables the connectivity. But the interfaces, IP addresses etc are still there
[07:39] <squid_game> I have systemd-networkd.service
[07:39] <squid_game> I will try it and will probably be disconnected
[07:39] <squid_game> thanks for the help
[07:39] <KBar> squid_game: `systemctl reload systemd-networkd.service`
[07:40] <armadefuego> @squid_game. did you get what you need?
[07:40] <squid_game> Failed to reload systemd-networkd.service: Job type reload is not applicable for unit systemd-networkd.service
[07:41] <squid_game> armadefuego, no. Is there any chance you might have a suggestion?
[07:41] <armadefuego> well i am trying to follw, but i may have gotten on the wrong foot.
[07:41] <squid_game> armadefuego, what I want to have is to refresh all the network settings, interfaces etc.
[07:42] <armadefuego> are you just trying to restart all the connections, like on reboot, or not have the connections you _currently_ have
[07:43] <armadefuego> ( which would reconnect on reboot... if you didn't remove them
[07:44] <squid_game> armadefuego. I'd appreciate any suggestion :) What I'm trying to refresh all the network settings. As an example, I time to run scripts that configures network interfaces, such as creating vlans and assigns ip addresses etc. I'd like to reset everything so that I get a fresh network settings so that I'd not need to restart my laptop to reset the configurations
[07:45] <squid_game> yes, I'd like to restart the network interface&settings similar to what a reboot would do
[07:46] <armadefuego> but you also _expect_ to set them up again?
[07:54] <squid_game> no
[07:54] <squid_game> I want a fresh start
[07:55] <armadefuego> ok. The GUI has buttons to shut them off. or the commandline has nmcli... IIRC
[07:56] <armadefuego> either could shut down a connection, for temp purposes. then click and it reconnects
[07:58] <squid_game> armadefuego, do you know if I can do it on the terminal? Then I'd use it part of a bash script
[07:58] <armadefuego> nmcli connection show
[08:00] <armadefuego> nmcli is justone method to shutdown a connectio, and restart.
[08:01] <squid_game> interesting. I didn't know it. I am going to investigate it
[08:02] <armadefuego> its got a decent man page.
[08:02] <armadefuego> and the _ip_ command can be usefull here.
[08:03] <squid_game> thank you for the tip, I will investigate it
[08:04] <armadefuego> NP. Anything else?
[08:14] <b247_eu> hello, I've compiled a software (remmina) in /opt/remmina, this folder contains the "share" folder (icons, mime, etc), /opt/remmina/share; how can I make this folder awailable system wide (eg access remmina from Gnome and add to favorites) ? shall a symlink be made or copy/append the /opt/remmina/share folder to /usr/share
[08:28] <armadefuego> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop?
[09:40] <frost-core> hello!
[09:40] <frost-core> why does this error happen http://paste.debian.net/1231364/
[10:09] <Mitacho> Hey guys! I posted a question related to my USB microphone on askubuntu. It seems Ubuntu thinks my USB microphone is a keyboard. Can someone help me ? Thank you very much. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1393594/usb-microphone-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-21-10
[11:33] <BlackMage> how i install libtiff4 and libpng12-0 on Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS?
[11:34] <wseadmin> Hi all, I seem to have a weird installation image. I confirmed by using it twice, that the default, "Wipe drive and install" puts GRUB on the USB.
[11:35] <wseadmin> How do I get it to install GRUB on the hard drive, so that I can remove the USB?
[11:35] <Maik> BlackMage: why do you want older versions of those?
[11:35] <wseadmin> The machine is in use, so ideally, I would like to do it via CLI.
[11:36] <Maik> libtiff5 and libpng16 are in the repos of 20.04.3
[11:37] <BlackMage> Unable to locate package libpng16
[11:37] <Maik> apt search libpng
[11:38] <Maik> libpng16-16/focal,now 1.6.37-2 amd64
[11:38] <Maik> should be install by default already BlackMage
[11:38] <Maik> install/installed
[11:38] <BlackMage> why is it called that?
[11:39] <Maik> don't ask me
[11:50] <darkarmy> hellp
[12:02] <blacked> what ubuntu think about GNU guix or if NONGUIX or NIXos doing things?
[12:03] <Ravage> i dont think ubuntu thinks anything. its not alive.
[12:03] <blacked> *ubuntu core developers, *ubuntu company peoples who made ubuntu things
[12:04] <Ravage> if you have an Ubuntu support question ask it. if not you can use #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[12:04] <blacked> ok it is also ubuntu support, but not for the ubuntu :(
[12:05] <Maik> opinions are not support question
[12:05] <blacked> ok i'm there thank you ,
[12:06] <blacked> but it was just simple question, it would be great if ubuntu adopt guix/non-guix way of doing things? ok
[12:07] <Maik> feel free to continue with the discussion in -discuss or -offtopic blacked
[12:11] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Getting very lost with trying to format a partition and get GRUB installed on it via CLI and can't get the tightvncserver service to restart either.
[12:24] <bodhi> I am using zsh on my ubuntu. I wanted to base64 encode a cert and because it conatins new lines the encoding is not what is expected it seems. I googled and found various solutions to avoid this. But I wanted to discuss here how people like to do it. stackoverflow is not always the right canonical way of doing it right
[12:27] <osse> bodhi: how do you do it now?
[12:34] <bodhi> base64encode.org is one quick way for anything that is not a "secret". (like examples I publish in public repos). for actually deployments. https://superuser.com/questions/1225134/why-does-the-base64-of-a-string-contain-n
[12:55] <Aethereal> Is someone able to help me with a potentially broke 20.04? It doesn't start the graphic environment anymore (it did in the past) but X logs doesn't show any EE line. Already tried all possible solutions I found through google
[13:04] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Aethereal CTRL + ALT + F2 to F6 then sudo apt install --reinstall blah-desktop
[13:06] <EriC^^> Aethereal: if you create another account does that start?
[13:07] <chilversc> is there a web page somewhere that lists the current hwe kernel available for each release?
[13:12] <Aethereal> wseadmin|afk-ish already tried that, reinstalling gnome-desktop, but with no result
[13:13] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Aethereal: Try a different desktop or reinstall your display manager? sddm, lightdm, gdm3, etc?
[13:14] <wseadmin|afk-ish> chilversc: Careful with that, I manually installed a kernel and tortured my drive.
[13:17] <chilversc> hwe should avoid that issue as they're backported specifically for ubuntu
[13:22] <Ravage> chilversc: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=linux-tools-generic-hwe
[13:22] <Ravage> or better https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=linux-image-generic-hwe&searchon=names
[13:23] <plon> raspberry is faster than windows10
[13:23] <plon> raspberry ubuntu
[13:24] <Ravage> plon: do you have a ubuntu support question?
[13:25] <plon> is there a method to enable the cpu faster
[13:26] <Ravage> not within Ubuntu. google overclocking
[13:26] <Aethereal> wseadmin|afk-ish I also tried a reconfigure of gdm3 too, still same result. If I try a startx from shell it just throw out some lines about starting up, then exit without errors, like it just finished.
[13:26] <plon> google overclocking
[13:32] <Maik> plon: ubuntu works fine on a Pi 4 with 4 or 8 GB RAM without overclocking
[13:32] <Aethereal> wseadmin|afk-ish I think it all started when I tried to install waydroid following these instructions: https://docs.waydro.id/usage/install-on-desktops Since it was not working I then removed it and the repo. I thought the uninstall could have removed too much so I tried, as told before, to do a reinstall of X and desktop packages, but nothing
[13:32] <Aethereal> works. Instead of a login screen I get a blank screen with a blinking cursor, and need to ALT-F2 to get a shell
[13:33] <ioria> Aethereal, how did you reinstall X and -desktop pkgs ?
[13:37] <Aethereal> ioria I  used sudo apt install --reinstall xserver-xorg and sudo apt install --reinstall gnome-desktop if I recall correctly (I'm after this issue since a month now)
[13:38] <ioria> !ingo gnome-desktop
[13:38] <ioria> !info gnome-desktop
[13:38] <ioria> Aethereal, what release ? 20.04 ?
[13:40] <Aethereal> ioria The machine is currently 20.04, but it started as a 16.04->18.04->20.04
[13:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:41] <ioria> Aethereal, so it's Ubuntu , not Kubuntu or another flavor ?
[13:41] <Aethereal> ioria Yes, vanilla Ubuntu
[13:42] <Maik> shouldn't gnome-desktop be ubuntu-desktop when reinstalling?
[13:42] <ioria> Aethereal, sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^    (   <-- note the caret ^)
[13:46] <Aethereal> ioria 1306 reinstalls, 0 deletions and 0 new... it will take a bit though, my connection isn't so fast and it's downloading everything as it were new
[13:46] <ioria> i see
[13:48] <Aethereal> ioria what's the caret meaning? I've never seen it
[13:49] <ioria> Aethereal,  it's a set of packages
[13:51] <Aethereal> ioria I see, like @name in Gentoo emerge
[13:52] <ioria> Aethereal,  yeah, probably
[13:52] <ioria> Aethereal,  i suggest anyhow to purge/remove that waydoid
[13:53] <Aethereal> ioria Yes, I already did that. I have this issue since I removed it...
[13:54] <ioria> ok
[13:55] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Aethereal: If you /home is in its own logical partition, then you can just reinstall your boot partition.
[13:58] <Aethereal> wseadmin|afk-ish Unfortunately it's a whole partition. It's also fully encrypted (I enter a key to unlock the disk at boot. Ironically, at that point the machine is in graphic mode)
[13:59] <wseadmin|afk-ish> So, the answer to my question might be: " ssh -X <IP-Address> " then " sudo gparted /dev/sda " followed by " sudo grub-install /dev/sda1 "
[14:00] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Aethereal:Use  " scp " to backup important stuff to another device.
[14:01] <chilversc> Ravage: thanks
[14:02] <chilversc> any plans to backport kernel 5.16 to 20.04?
[14:04] <ThinkT510> !hwe
[14:06] <chilversc> ThinkT510: I was looking at that page but couldn't tell what the final supported kernel version will be for 20.04, or what the release schedule is
[14:07] <ThinkT510> I'm not sure of 22.04's kernel version
[14:07] <ThinkT510> if you really need 5.16 then you could try mainline
[14:07] <ThinkT510> !mainline
[14:07] <chilversc> at the moment I'm running 20.04, but getting a kernel panic and wanted to see if it was fixed in a newer kernel such as 5.16
[14:08] <chilversc> is mainline separate to the HWE builds?
[14:08] <ogra> the mainline PPA kernels are not for production use and miss a lot of features
[14:08] <ThinkT510> mainline is mostly for testing
[14:08] <ogra> yep
[14:08] <Aethereal> wseadmin|afk-ish It's a bit complicated since I might have some data/caches outside /home but indeed an option. It's a last-resort, and I would like to try fixing it first. I might even try to see if an upgrade to 22.04 (when it's available) would work before that. Also, the desktop reinstall ioria suggested is still at 47%, I still have hopes...
[14:09] <ogra> to verify bugfixes if some kernel team member asks you to ...
[14:10] <trafficjam> how much "graphics memory" does this cpu have? i7-1065G7
[14:11] <trafficjam> using wine and an installer is asking for this
[14:11] <chilversc> yup, that's why I was more interested in the hwe builds than mainline
[14:12] <chilversc> I was just wondering what the plan was for 20.04 as currently the latest kernel is 2.13
[14:13] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Isn't it 5.15 now?
[14:13] <chilversc> not according to https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/linux-tools-generic-hwe-20.04 unless I'm reading it wrong?
[14:13] <Ravage> It's 5.13. it will probably get 5.15 a few weeks/months after the 22.04 release
[14:14] <Ravage> Not sure what the usual timeline is. 5.13 came pretty fast after 21.10
[14:16] <chilversc> ah well, maybe I just need to try replacing mdadm with zfs
[14:18] <alkisg> I think it comes out after 22.04.1, not after 22.04. So, in August.
[14:18] <chilversc> yup, that's rather too long to wait, though not even sure if it will fix the issue
[14:18] <wseadmin|afk-ish> chilversc: Don't use ZFS if you game. Steam has been a complete ball ache for some reason. I think the scrub tool isn't used to the weird format of game packages.
[14:19] <Ravage> My steam Library runs completely from ZFS. No problems at all
[14:19] <chilversc> this file system is only used to store cachefilesd
[14:19] <wseadmin|afk-ish> You don't have to Verify games after it performs a scrub?
[14:19] <trafficjam> is it possible to use windows 10/11 for Wine?
[14:20] <chilversc> some combination of access patterns between cachefilesd, and mdadm seems to be causing a kernel panic
[14:20] <Ravage> I think sometimes it checks some files. But never a complete verify
[14:20] <Ravage> Nothing that really bothers me
[14:21] <Ravage> trafficjam: that question does not make a lot of sense
[14:21] <Ravage> And that's being polite about it :P
[14:22] <trafficjam> Ravage: im trying to run a program with Wine, and it told me that windowx xp and windows 32-bit are no longer supported
[14:23] <wseadmin|afk-ish> trafficjam: Try winecfg and see your options there.
[14:23] <Ravage> I'm pretty sure there is a maintained 32 bit version of wine
[14:23] <trafficjam> wseadmin|afk-ish: ah perfect, thanks man
[14:24] <wseadmin|afk-ish> You might also want to use " WINEPREFIX=/location/of/install/ winecfg "
[14:25] <Ravage> Also try https://www.winehq.org/irc
[14:28] <leftyfb> trafficjam: you want #winehq
[14:28] <Aethereal> ioria The reinstall finished, but nothing has changed
[14:40] <wseadmin|afk-ish> It didn't work. "install-grub" returned no errors, still can't boot without the USB plugged in. Accidental security key but annoying.
[14:40] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Especially since this happened before years ago and I can't remember nor find my documentation on how to solve it.
[14:42] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: do you want to sum up the problem you're trying to solve again? I had a quick glance on the log but could not exactly understand which problem you're trying to solve.
[14:44] <ioria> Aethereal, switch to tty and sudo systemctl restart gdm
[14:44] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Hi tomreyn . I installed Ubuntu, all appeared to be fine, except it installed the boot information for the hard drive over the boot partitions of the USB stick.
[14:45] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Now I am trying to get it to boot from partition(s) sda1 and sda2.
[14:45] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: hmm, that's not a problem i've run into before. which ubuntu release + ISO are you installing, and in bios or uefi mode?
[14:46] <frost-core> hello!
[14:46] <frost-core> so im trying to make a custom bash prompt
[14:46] <frost-core> but i need colours
[14:46] <frost-core> how do i input them in?
[14:47] <wseadmin|afk-ish> ubuntu-18.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso (because FreeRDP v2 doesn't work well with NTLM auth Windows servers).
[14:47] <leftyfb> frost-core: what have you found online so far and what problems are you having with it?
[14:48] <frost-core> leftyfb : i found not understandable guides
[14:48] <wseadmin|afk-ish> How do I check bios / EFI mode via CLI? The machine is in use, I have SSH only atm.
[14:48] <frost-core> all of them are complicated
[14:48] <Aethereal> ioria sudo systemctl restart gdm just gives me back the blank screen with blinking underscore
[14:48] <leftyfb> frost-core: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[14:49] <Ravage> wseadmin|afk-ish: test -d /sys/firmware/efi && echo efi || echo bios
[14:49] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Aethereal: Try install  sddm instead of gdm?
[14:49] <leftyfb> frost-core: are you trying to create your own distro?
[14:49] <frost-core> leftyfb : no im trying this on my ubuntu mate
[14:49] <frost-core> i already made my distro
[14:49] <ioria> Aethereal, odd : dpkg -l | grep gdm | nc termbin.com 9999    (and paste the url here pleae)
[14:50] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Thanks Ravage it is "efi"
[14:51] <leftyfb> frost-core: if you need more in-depth help with bash, then you might try #bash
[14:52] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/39rk
[14:53] <ioria> Aethereal, ls /usr/share/xsessions/  | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:55] <frost-core> thanks lefty! it worked!
[14:55] <wseadmin|afk-ish> "sudo grub-mkconfig -o /sda1/boot/grub/grub.cfg" -->  " Sourcing file '/etc/default/grub' /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: cannot create /sda1/boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Directory nonexistent "
[14:56] <frost-core> leftyfb : also do you know any guides to creating plymouth themes?
[14:56] <leftyfb> frost-core: no
[14:56] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/6qjh (did a ls -l so you can see the gnome.desktop link)
[14:56] <frost-core> leftyfb : is there an irc channel for plymouth?
[14:57] <ioria> Aethereal, cd  /usr/share/xsessions/
[14:57] <Persuader> Hi all.I'm using Ubuntu20 LTS, but the system keeps showing package installation errors and livepatch is not working.How can I solve this problem?
[14:58] <wseadmin|afk-ish> I don't know but you might try searching " <criteria> site:omgubuntu.co.uk " they have a lot of theme stuff on there frost-core
[14:58] <ioria> Aethereal,  and sudo mv gnome.desktop gnome.desktop.back
[14:58] <ioria> Aethereal,  also sudo mv gnome-xorg.desktop gnome-xorg.desktop.back
[14:58] <frost-core> wseadmin|afk-ish : thanks!
[15:02] <Aethereal> ioria Ok.
[15:02] <ioria> Aethereal,  check if you have gnome-session-wayland  installed   ( dpkg -l | grep gnome-session-wayland)
[15:03] <Aethereal> ioria seems not, it get no result
[15:04] <ioria> Aethereal,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[15:09] <Aethereal> ioria done. Is the gnome-session-wayland a required package? Should I install it? (in the etc/gdm3/custom.conf there's a line WaylandEnable=false)
[15:09] <ioria> Aethereal,  nope, not required  and that line should be comneted with an hash (#)
[15:10] <ioria> *commented
[15:11] <ioria> Aethereal,  is it ?
[15:11] <frost-core> does anybody know how to get the plymouth-set-default-theme in ubuntu?
[15:12] <Aethereal> ioria it's not at the moment, maybe due to some of the internet articles I followed trying to fix it in the last weeks. I have commented it now, but still the same result restarting gdm
[15:12] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Depends on your desktop environment frost-core
[15:12] <frost-core> wseadmin|afk-ish : mate?
[15:13] <ioria> Aethereal,  ls /usr/share/wayland-sessions  | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:13] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Not familiar with it sorry, try search for, "Change theme Mate" perhaps?
[15:14] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/cnk0
[15:15] <ioria> Aethereal,  cd /usr/share/wayland-sessions       and sudo mv gnome.desktop gnome.desktop.back
[15:17] <Aethereal> ioria done, no changes.
[15:18] <ioria> Aethereal,  sudo apt autopurge      , what gives ?
[15:19] <Aethereal> ioria 0 to remove. I purged several times after removing waydroid
[15:20] <ioria> Aethereal,  please, paste   : cat /etc/gdm3/custom.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:21] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/1b8r
[15:24] <ioria> Aethereal,  is lightdm installed  ?   dpkg -l | grep lightdm
[15:24] <wseadmin|afk-ish> "sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg " --> " sudo grub-install /dev/sda1 " --> "Installation finished. No error reported."
[15:25] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Am I missing boot flags on that partition perhaps? How do I set them?
[15:25] <Aethereal> ioria I get 4 entries, so I suppose it is
[15:26] <ioria> Aethereal,  dpkg -l | grep  mutter-common  | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:27] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: "How do I check bios / EFI mode via CLI?" ->  echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[15:28] <wseadmin|afk-ish> The answer was "efi" tomreyn
[15:28] <tomreyn> oh ravage told you alread
[15:29] <Chunkyz> is there an app like speccy (that's for windows) but to see specs of my system on ubuntu? forgive me for the newbness. :-)
[15:29] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/3etg
[15:29] <frost-core> Chunkyz : you can use settings -> about
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> !info inxi | Chunkyz
[15:29] <ioria> Aethereal,  dpkg -l | grep  mutter-common  | nc termbin.com 999
[15:29] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: did you mount all file systems before ran grub-mkconfig?
[15:29] <ioria> Aethereal,  sorry ....
[15:30] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: incl. the virtual ones?
[15:30] <ioria> Aethereal,  it's wrong; you didn't purge waydroid
[15:30] <frost-core> !info inxi | frost-core
[15:30] <Chunkyz> frost-core: not using gnome. but thanks. lotuspsychje I'll look, thanks dude.
[15:30] <tomreyn> Persuader: post your errors on a pastebin
[15:30] <ioria> Aethereal,  focal 20.04 version is 3.36.9-0ubuntu0.20.04.2
[15:30] <wseadmin|afk-ish> As far as I know, all partitions were mounted. It boots as though from the hard drive but uses the USB for the boot config. tomreyn
[15:30] <frost-core> Chunkyz : what de then?, i can tell you the about page of it
[15:31] <frost-core> or use inxi in terminal
[15:31] <ioria> Aethereal,  you have  3.38.4-1   and it's not an ubuntu package
[15:31] <Aethereal> ioria That's strange, if I try to remove it again, it says it's not installed anymore. Maybe some dependencies weren't removed? Even with Purge?
[15:31] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: what happened after install, after you removed the installer usb stick, and tried to boot?
[15:31] <Chunkyz> frost-core: i3-wm. inxi works though. :-)
[15:32] <ioria> Aethereal, sure; you need to purge all the external pkgs that come with waydroid
[15:32] <wseadmin|afk-ish> About to try again tomreyn they are going on a smoke break.
[15:33] <ioria> Aethereal, apt-forktracer   | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:33] <ioria> Aethereal, you probably need to install apt-forktracer
[15:38] <MaxPower9>  /join #kali-linux
[15:38] <MaxPower9> crap sorry
[15:40] <Aethereal> ioria Yes, done. https://termbin.com/pndm
[15:40] <wseadmin|afk-ish> Zomg MaxPower9 is a haxxor! :o ( tomreyn same thing, when the USB is removed, I only get a blanks screen with a cursor in the top left. Boot menu has EFI: ubuntu OR Legacy: Hard Drive (neither work without the USB in)).
[15:41] <ioria> Aethereal, honestly, it's not good that you have all those unsupported pkgs....
[15:41] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: here's how you repair grub: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall#Using_A_Live_CD.2FUSB_To_Fix_Your_Current_System
[15:42] <ioria> Aethereal, but is the .list waydroid source still enabled  ? ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:42] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: your partitions can be different ones, of course, check with lsblk
[15:43] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: and the "cryptsetup" command is only needed if you have opted for full disk encryption
[15:44] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: this is a bit more compact: https://askubuntu.com/a/831241
[15:45] <wseadmin|afk-ish> tomreyn: Thank you will try it.
[15:46] <wseadmin|afk-ish> How did you get that short answer URL?
[15:46] <MaxPower9> wseadmin|afk-ish you got me
[15:46] <tomreyn> wseadmin|afk-ish: using the "share" option
[15:47] <Aethereal> ioria I suspect most packages come from the 16.04->18.04->20.04 upgrade path, except a couple I probably installed manually for some programs (like coapp or codecs). In the sources.list.d I only have external repo for "cool-retro-term" and bitcoin (that I am not using anymore). I removed the repo for waydroid as the first thing after uninstalling
[15:47] <Aethereal> it. I did an uninstall, removed repo, apt update, apt upgrade and apt purge sequence. And then got the blank screen issue
[15:47] <ioria> Aethereal, good :  sudo apt update   and    apt-cache policy mutter-common | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:48] <wse|not-Interpol> Well now MaxPower9 you have nothing to worry about. Just tell me where you are. :P Thanks tomreyn
[15:48] <MaxPower9> Ha nice try, i'm not telling interpol where I am :D
[15:50] <Aethereal>  ioria https://termbin.com/urqv
[15:50] <Maik> please join #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter MaxPower9
[15:52] <ioria> Aethereal,   sudo apt  install mutter-common=3.36.9-0ubuntu0.20.04.2    (and paste errors if you got them)
[15:54] <Aethereal> ioria noticed it was a downgraded but no error executing it
[15:54] <ioria> Aethereal,   apt-cache policy mutter-common | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:57] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/ioe4 but what's more important, I did the command from a graphic terminal. It works now (or at least it looks like so)
[15:57] <wse|not-Interpol> tomreyn: " sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi " --> " mount: /mnt/boot/efi: mount point does not exist. "
[15:58] <ioria> Aethereal,   now reboot and (if you have the login screen), select Ubuntu (on Xorg) and login
[15:58] <ioria> Aethereal,   use the 'gear/clog' icon
[16:04] <wse|not-Interpol> tomreyn: "sudo chroot /mnt" --> "chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory "
[16:06] <ioria> Aethereal,   be right back in 10 min
[16:11] <frost-core> hey does anybody know an alternative to algodoo?
[16:12] <wse|not-Interpol> Nope. Never heard of Algodoo (2D Physics game / learning tool / engine) and can't think of anything similar.
[16:15] <Aethereal> ioria Sorry, the reboot took a while, seems it has some housekeeping to do at boot. For some reason I still get a blank screen, and a login screen only once I go in a shell and sudo systemctl restart gdm
[16:17] <Aethereal> ioria at the login screen I can just enter my password, no need to choose any session with any clog icon
[16:21] <ioria> Aethereal,  and what happens exactly after you enter your password ?
[16:22] <ioria> Aethereal,  ha, ok
[16:22] <ioria> Aethereal,   dpkg -l | grep mutter | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:25] <Aethereal> https://termbin.com/fat0
[16:26] <ioria> Aethereal,   mutter is ok ;  dpkg -l | grep libplymouth  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:27] <Aethereal> ioria https://termbin.com/jlrs
[16:28] <ioria> Aethereal,  sudo apt purge libplymouth4 libplymouth2
[16:31] <Aethereal> It wants to remove mountall* too
[16:33] <ioria> Aethereal,  mountall ? it's the actual package name ?
[16:33] <Aethereal> ioria I see only plymouth4 appears in the forktracer output, maybe the plymouth2 is an old dependency of mountall? And do I need this package?
[16:34] <ioria> Aethereal,  nope, 20.04 uses -5 version
[16:34] <ogra> mountally comes from upstart times ...
[16:34] <ogra> apt-cache policy mountall
[16:34] <Aethereal> So these must be lefrovers of 16.04 or 18.04
[16:34] <ioria> thx ogra
[16:34] <ioria> Aethereal,  yep
[16:34] <ogra> there shouldnbt be any archive entry for it on your system
[16:35] <ogra> (likely some upgrade leftover)
[16:35] <Aethereal> Yes ogra, only in var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:35] <ogra> right, safe to remove
[16:35] <Aethereal> I'll answer yes to remove all then
[16:37] <ioria> Aethereal,   ls  /var/lib/apt/lists | grep -i way
[16:37] <Aethereal> Done. It processed triggers for dbus and ureadahead doing that. The first one might be that
[16:37] <Aethereal> ioria no result for that command
[16:38] <ioria> good
[16:38] <ioria> Aethereal,   sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[16:39] <Aethereal> ioria Done
[16:40] <ioria> Aethereal,  your kernel ? uname -r
[16:40] <Aethereal> 5.4.0-64-generic
[16:41] <ioria> Aethereal,  nope, too old
[16:41] <ioria> Aethereal,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:42] <Aethereal> 0 upgrades
[16:42] <ioria> !info linux-generic focal
[16:43] <ioria> Aethereal,  dpkg -l | grep linux-generic
[16:44] <Aethereal> Nothing
[16:44] <ioria> Aethereal,  sudo apt install --reinstall  linux-generic
[16:45] <wse|not-Interpol> tomreyn: I think the problem is that it is not booting from the USB. It is booting from the hard drive using the config on the USB. The guides and "boot-repair" decline to work.
[16:46] <Aethereal> Actually, it say linux-generic is a new package not previously selected
[16:46] <Aethereal> But ti's installing it
[16:47] <ioria> Aethereal,  when it's done, again   : sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:50] <Aethereal> ioria 0 to upgrade
[16:51] <ioria> Aethereal,  ok, reboot
[16:55] <Aethereal> ioria ALL OK
[16:56] <ioria> Aethereal, well done
[16:56] <Aethereal> ioria It boots in the graphical login manager, and I get a gnome session. All seems restored
[16:56] <ioria> Aethereal, ok
[16:57] <Aethereal> Many thanks ioria wse|not-Interpol ogra and all
[16:57] <ioria> Aethereal, we'r welcm
[16:57] <wse|not-Interpol> tomreyn: Thanks for trying. I am heading out for the weekend. Good times to you all. o7
[16:58] <frost-core> hello, so why is my zip file binary saying January 1st 1980?
[16:59] <leftyfb> frost-core: you're going to have to give more info than that. Regardless, I am 99% sure this is not an ubuntu issue
[17:00] <frost-core> leftyfb : i download the powder toy, and then open the zip with engrampa, for some reason it says 1980 on the executable, and i am questioning it
[17:01] <leftyfb> frost-core: ok, contact "powder toy" for support for that completely non-critical issue
[17:03] <jhutchins> frost-core: That's the default date for a null record.
[17:04] <novacyclist> frost-core: 1/1/1980 is the FAT32 0 epoch, I've seen it in macos when copying files over the dates are converted incorrectly
[17:05] <jhutchins> frost-core: It strongly suggests that there was an error in the creation of the archive, or possibly during it's download.
[17:05] <frost-core> jhutchins : but when extracting, game runs fine =#
[17:06] <leftyfb> frost-core: then there is no issue
[17:07] <frost-core> i mean its just a question
[17:09] <Maik> frost-core: but not even ubuntu related
[17:10] <frost-core> one thing is that how do i install cedarview? like this fedora guy did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQLmRMPVa5g
[17:10] <Maik> frost-core: also offtopic i guess
[17:12] <leftyfb> frost-core: cedarview are intel drivers. Why do you think you need that?
[17:12] <frost-core> leftyfb : i really need that driver, but i have to use kernel 3.2
[17:12] <frost-core> which is sad :(
[17:12] <leftyfb> what?
[17:13] <frost-core> leftyfb : i need kernel 3.2 to run that driver
[17:13] <leftyfb> frost-core: ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:13] <leftyfb> frost-core: why do you think you need that driver?
[17:13] <frost-core> leftyfb : its a gpu driver
[17:13] <leftyfb> frost-core: why do you think you need that driver?
[17:14] <frost-core> its because some games lag out hard
[17:14] <frost-core> https://termbin.com/12w2
[17:15] <leftyfb> frost-core: lspci |grep VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:15] <frost-core> https://termbin.com/1c3t
[17:16] <frost-core> but it runs llvmpipe
[17:16] <jair> Hello all, just a quick question, if I am using a couple of laptops > ThinkPad X1 Carbon 4th and Latitude E6510 0001 and also Latitude E6540 01 would this be the must recommended kernel on Ubuntu 20.04.3  LTS 5.13.0-28-generic ?
[17:17] <jair> The reason I ask is because by default the kernel all the three systems uses are the generic one, but I think I notice that there is a version Kernel: 5.13.0-30-generic available, and if I want to have the latest up to date support for the different laptops wouldn't be a bad idea to upgrade to that?
[17:17] <Maik> frost-core: games lag hard because you have a low spec machine with only 2GB RAM i believe?
[17:18] <leftyfb> ^
[17:18] <frost-core> Maik : i used to run windows with games, good performance cause it used opengl, linux, TERRIBLE JUNK PERFORMANCE!
[17:18] <frost-core> if only intel could make drivers for the latest kernel
[17:19] <Maik> frost-core: get a new machine
[17:19] <leftyfb> frost-core: an Atom processor with 2G of memory and Intel graphics is not a gaming platform
[17:19] <Maik> exactly
[17:19] <frost-core> leftyfb : but it used to run supertux fast i guess, and supertuxkart
[17:22] <Maik> frost-core: again, you have a low spec machine, don't expect it to run well with any OS and what you try to do. deal with it
[17:26] <jhutchins> If the same hardware is fast under one OS and slow under a different OS, it is not the hardware that makes the difference.
[17:26] <jhutchins> jair: Is there any hardware on either laptop that does not seem to be fully supported?
[17:29] <jair> jhutchins, I noticed that with the `20.04.3  LTS 5.13.0-24-generic` my third monitor kept going offline (connected via HDMI) but with  kernel `20.04.3 LTS 5.13.0-28-generic` the issue improved
[17:29] <jair> I mean the third monitor goes offline less often
[17:29] <chilversc> is there a nice, simple way in a script to test if a ZFS pool exists? I got close with "zpool list -Ho health $pool" but if the pool doesn't exist it outputs an error message, and I wanted to avoid parsing error messages
[17:30] <jair> jhutchins but I am not sure if it was the kernel version
[17:30] <chilversc> I'm just after a simple true/false to test if a specific pool exists
[17:30] <frost-core> i may sell my nb and get an older, linux supported pc probably
[17:31] <jair> I do notice that there is now a version `20.04.3 LTS 5.13.0-30-generic` so I wanted to know if there will be improvements on it, I tried to find the Ubuntu kernel release notes...
[17:33] <jair> jhutchinsand interesting this is that I see the kernel available for installation on two systems but in this laptop it is not available hummm > `Latitude E6540 01`
[17:33] <jair> same installation media I used for all three systems
[17:34] <VadimP> After upgrading to 21.10, I have no working sound. How can I fix this?
[17:37] <oerheks> VadimP, pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload # might fix it, setting to defaults
[17:38] <VadimP> It said "E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process" but still no sound
[17:40] <Ravage> And if you just type pulseaudio?
[17:41] <Ravage> Does it start or fail to start?
[17:41] <jhutchins> jair: Is that kernel already installed?  Kernel release notes may be available "upstream" at kernel.org.
[17:42] <jhutchins> jair: It's probably a good idea to read them, several recent kernels have had "reversion" issues with support for previously working hardware.
[17:42] <VadimP> I deleted .pulse and .config/pulse, ran 'pulseaudio --start' and that exited without error, but still no sound. 'pulseaaudio' on its own says daemon already running
[17:43] <VadimP> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FMxsdC9sXF/
[17:43] <jair> jhutchins it is installed in the other two systems but in this one for some reason it is not available when checking with synaptic `Latitude E6540 01` I will check the kernel.org details as Ubuntu/Canonical uses the same
[17:44] <oerheks> VadimP, and into sound settings, anything unusual?
[17:44] <Ravage> VadimP: try "sudo apt install pavucontrol" and then "pavucontrol"
[17:44] <oerheks> sound hdmi>your card
[17:44] <Ravage> see if it shows any devices
[17:44] <oerheks> alsamixer could do the same
[17:46] <VadimP> there is nothing odd. I have a video playing and the sound bar is jumping around. No sound is coming out, neither from my monitor nor the headset I have plugged in - https://streamable.com/wtz2yr
[17:47] <VadimP> pavucontrol is too complicated to make sense of but I see nothing wrong - https://imgur.com/a/QmaY64b
[17:49] <VadimP> What else can I try? Downgrading is not an option as this was a forced upgrade
[17:50] <Ravage> check "output devices"
[17:50] <Ravage> maybe its muted there. and how is your headset connected? does it show up in output devices?
[17:51] <VadimP> it shows sound be playing there: https://imgur.com/a/IBBIqSM
[17:52] <oerheks> change digital out to analog?
[17:54] <Ravage> yep. also HDMI looks good. there should be sound over HDMI when you select it as the output device of an application
[17:58] <oerheks> hdmi, oke, but not digital
[17:59] <radek> helo am poland
[18:16] <lpapp> hi, a program is looking for https://bpa.st/7HZQ libxcb-xinput.so.0 in various locations. What ships this, if any, on Ubuntu 16.04?
[18:16] <lpapp> Looks like libxcb-xinput0 is only available from 18.04. What was there before?
[18:17] <knightSoul> My Ship
[18:18] <oerheks> lpapp, yes, only on 18.04, and 16.04 is EOL, dead jim
[18:19] <oerheks> so, good luck with that vulnerable old version
[18:21] <knightSoul> cant hav
[18:24] <Chunkyz> knightSoul: /join #ubuntu-offtopic - this is a support channel. thank you. :-)
[19:09] <mncheck> I want to do-release-upgrade on a bionic but after apt upgrade there is "1 not installed" which --upgradable says is docker-ce I have from "https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic/stable amd64 Packages", however, if I upgrade that, dpkg fails to configure, journalctl says SIGSEGV on the service
[19:10] <mncheck> the previous version works fine, which i downgraded to. how do you work around this?
[19:19] <jhutchins> mncheck: Are you using docker?
[19:19] <mncheck> jhutchins, yes
[19:19] <jhutchins> mncheck: Does the new version have any essential features you need to use?
[19:19] <mncheck> I have 82 images
[19:20] <mncheck> jhutchins, I don't care about the docker version, just want to go from bionic to focal
[19:20] <mncheck> jhutchins, so, no
[19:21] <jhutchins> Sounds like the correct response is to go get yourself a refreshing beverage and find something productive to work on.
[19:21] <jhutchins> Revisit the upgrade next week.
[19:30] <mncheck> what is the correct way to select the "test" suite with apt-get? docker I've added a bionic/test line with the docker sources.list
[19:35] <mncheck> they have "edge" "nightly" "stable" and "test" and I'm currently on stable
[19:42] <xbox> hjhk
[19:47] <mncheck> oh it's not a suite but a component
[19:57] <mncheck> I have "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic stable test nightly", trying "apt-get it nightly instasll docker-ce" and getting "'nightly' is invalid for APT::Default-Release", not sure what did I do wrong
[19:59] <oerheks> mncheck, change to focal ? anyway, i would remove docker and the repo, until after upgrade and add it again
[19:59] <mncheck> oerheks, I'm still on bionic
[19:59] <oerheks> i think it should be disabled anyway during upgrade
[19:59] <mncheck> oerheks, I faintly remember once removing docker which deleted all my images in the past, which I don't want
[20:00] <oerheks> no it should not, not without --purge. and if you have no backup, those images are unimportant
[20:02] <jhutchins> mncheck: Hopefully you have since instated a policy of backing up your images to something external to the development sysem.
[20:02] <jhutchins> system.
[20:02] <oerheks> your /home/  folder would do..
[20:03] <mncheck> I don't understand why -t nightly is not selecting anything
[20:21] <mncheck> well leaving only nightly avoids the problem by chance
[20:22] <g3poandlsl> Does anyone remember the name of the project that was developing a way to centrally manage GNOME settings in a way like Windows does group policy?  IIRC, it was Flight-something
[20:28] <forgotmynick> i have php 7.4 installed but when trying to apt-get install php-sqlite3, it keeps trying to install php8 stuff. how do i stop this? --no-install-recommends does not do anything
[20:29] <forgotmynick> actually ignore that found my issue
[20:32] <mybalzitch> php74-sqlite3 ?
[20:32] <mybalzitch> :D
[21:07] <coz_> good day all
[21:09] <adderall> I think I finally got my Ubuntu to stop freezing and to load up at a decent speed after disabling fsck at start-up. I have to ask myself when I spend days modifying scripts to get Linux to run right if it's really worth it all?
[21:09] <adderall> But if I go back to Windows, eventually, I'll miss it.
[21:10] <coz_> adderall, it's definitly worth it
[21:10] <adderall> You tell me how it's worth it, boss?
[21:10] <adderall> I mostly use it because I like the fact that I can make it do whatever I want and I don't have to worry about malware so much.
[21:10] <coz_> adderall, nlike windows, you learn more about the system, and configuring it
[21:10] <adderall> This is true.
[21:10] <adderall> You learn about computer science.
[21:11] <adderall> It would be the best if my interviewers didn't keep asking me PowerShell and Windows questions though.
[21:11] <adderall> Have you ever run rkhunter, coz_?
[21:11] <coz_> adderall, i have ot
[21:11] <coz_> not
[21:12] <adderall> Try it. It's interesting. I've found that the Linux anti-malware or anti-rootkit programs are a lot more thorough than Windows stuff. It will flag a lot of stuff that consists of false positives for most people but you'll learn about what something should look for auditing in a production environment.
[21:13] <mncheck> update not looking very smooth
[21:13] <adderall> Yeah, see, mncheck is going through the rounds like I did
[21:13] <adderall> If he's got tenacity, he won't reinstall
[21:13] <adderall> Might wanna change your kernel mncheck ... if all else fails
[21:17] <Mitacho> Hey guys! Can someone help me ? :D https://askubuntu.com/questions/1393594/usb-microphone-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-21-10
[21:19] <adderall> I can try to help, Mitacho
[21:19] <adderall> I just stepped in here.
[21:19] <adderall> What's up?
[21:19] <sarnold> "DRELANMIC: device is a keyboard"
[21:19] <sarnold> cute
[21:20] <Mitacho> I am new here too, haha.
[21:20] <adderall> K, I DM'd you, Mitacho
[21:20] <sarnold> ?
[21:20] <adderall> *direct message
[21:20] <Mitacho> Oh, OK
[21:20] <adderall> If you're talking to me
[21:21] <Mitacho> OK adderall, I will reply you in direct message.
[21:23] <sarnold> but why?
[21:23] <sarnold> there's an entire channel of people here to help
[21:23] <mncheck> are there release upgrade instructions for a specific package somewhere?
[21:24] <sarnold> mncheck: sometimes the release notes have notes on specific packages, yeah
[21:32] <mncheck> sarnold, my smb.conf from bionic uses an idmap backend that doesn't seem to be available in focal
[21:36] <sarnold> mncheck: hrm :( bummer, I don't see anything like that on the focal release notes. there's an sssd module for idmap, I wonder if that's the expected replacement
[21:37] <mncheck> sarnold, I don't know if I change the idmap backend wouldn't the established ids be messed up
[21:37] <sarnold> mncheck: see if this helps? https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd
[21:37] <mncheck> sarnold, I use that for new configurations but I don't  think it says anything about idmap
[21:38] <sarnold> :(
[21:45] <Mitacho> I edited my post on askubuntu, I added some more informations.
[21:46] <Mitacho> Please help me, I don't want to have to install Windows just for the sake of a microphone.
[21:47] <giu-> hi to all
[21:49] <rm-rf> What - you don't have to install Windows
[21:49] <rm-rf> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/529646/how-to-find-out-the-internal-microphones-driver-on-a-linux-pc
[21:50] <Mitacho> ( Sorry guys, that are the results generated by Google Translate )
[21:50] <Mitacho> Thanks rm-rf, I am going to check it out.
[21:52] <rm-rf> Run alsamixer
[21:52] <rm-rf> https://askubuntu.com/questions/4564/how-do-i-install-my-microphone
[21:55] <sarnold> Mitacho: this might help http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/usb_modeswitch.1.html
[21:55] <rm-rf> Yes, man pages are where it's at
[21:56] <rm-rf> or <command -h>
[21:57] <Mitacho> Cool, I'm taking a look.
[21:58] <rm-rf> Yeah, I'm gonna take a walk. I don't get enough exercise.
[21:58] <rm-rf> Again, DM me if you get stuck. I can almost guarantee you there's a fix. Let me check something else really quick
[21:59] <rm-rf> You need to find out what chipset it uses.
[21:59] <Mitacho> Thank you guys very much!
[22:00] <Mitacho> I am trying yet.
[22:00] <rm-rf> Also, assuming it's a usb mic, do lsusb
[22:00] <rm-rf> So, make sure it's at least picking up from the bus
[22:00] <Mitacho> We will make it!
[22:00] <rm-rf> If the bus can't read it, that's your first issue.
[22:00] <rm-rf> If it reads at the bus level, go from there.
[22:01] <Mitacho> It is here: Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0c76:120c JMTek, LLC. DRELANMIC
[22:01] <rm-rf> K ... now. Give me one set
[22:01] <rm-rf> *sec
[22:01] <Mitacho> OK!
[22:01] <rm-rf> Where do I post images here for code?
[22:01] <octav1a> rm-rf: bpa.st
[22:01] <Mathisen> rm-rf, https://bpa.st/ for example
[22:04] <rm-rf> K ... But you still need info on the driver.
[22:05] <rm-rf> https://serverfault.com/questions/984643/how-to-find-out-which-device-corresponds-for-sys-bus-usb-devices-devicen
[22:06] <rm-rf> I just uploaded the code for that but you need to read the link as well.
[22:06] <jhutchins> Debian has a pci id database that references known drivers, but I haven't seen anything for usb.
[22:07] <Mathisen> rm-rf, you need to paste the link to show the code you pasted :)
[22:07] <rm-rf> I did paste the link
[22:07] <rm-rf> it's that serverfault.com link above, haha
[22:07] <rm-rf> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/60078/find-out-which-modules-are-associated-with-a-usb-device
[22:08] <rm-rf> And one more link: hamwaves.com/usb.autosuspend/en/
[22:08] <rm-rf> This is A LOT. I don't wanna just flood this chat with links. But, after you go through all of those, get back to me or us.
[22:08] <rm-rf> I'll be back in a bit
[22:09] <Mitacho> I am trying to execute the script
[22:09] <Mitacho> But I cant dot it even logged in as root, ahahah.
[22:09] <Mitacho> xargs: ./usb2sys: Permissão negada
[22:10] <Mitacho> Permissão negada = " Permission denied "
[22:10] <Mathisen> run it with sudo
[22:11] <rm-rf> Yes, what he said
[22:11] <rm-rf> or, even better: do < sudo -i > so you stay in root during all of this
[22:12] <rm-rf> Umm, <sudo -s> is even better. Sudo -s will go to root but under the user so not full root.
[22:12] <Mathisen> side note: dont run things as root you dont understand what does.
[22:12] <rm-rf> *root oft he user
[22:12] <Mitacho> Also does not allow. Neither using sudo nor using sudo -i
[22:12] <Mathisen> dont copy paste things you dont understand
[22:12] <rm-rf> I'm agreeing with everything Mathisen is saying so far
[22:12] <rm-rf> But, if you break it, since it's Linux ... you can almost always fix it
[22:12] <rm-rf> Unless you start messing around with something like the GRUB or fstab
[22:13] <rm-rf> If you're talking to me, I understand them, dude
[22:13] <rm-rf> I've run the scripts that I'm sharing, along with the commands for priviledge etc
[22:15] <jhutchins> How about "run it with bash (or whatever shell it wants).  bash /path/to/script
[22:17] <sarnold> rm-rf: sudo -s is indeed full root
[22:18] <Mitacho> Sorry guys, I am stuck. I am trying to pass the vendor id to usb_modeswitch but it says: No default vendor/product ID given. Abort
[22:18] <Mitacho> This is the command I ran: sudo usb_modeswitch -v 0x0c76
[22:23] <Mitacho> https://imgur.com/a/1sB7WdQ
[22:23] <Mitacho> rm-rf this script could not be executed.
[22:24] <Mitacho> That*
[22:25] <Mathisen> Mitacho, well you you are not running xargs as sudo.. when you pipe something example " command 1 | command 2 " you need to enter sudo for both commands if you need to run them as root. so it would be " sudo command 1 | sudo command 2 "
[22:25] <sarnold> chmod 755 usb2sys will fix the permissions problem
[22:25] <sarnold> but what's the point of that script?
[22:25] <Mitacho> Oh!
[22:25] <sarnold> what will you do once you've got the /sys path of the device?
[22:27] <Mitacho> https://imgur.com/a/EyNHSf3
[22:28] <Mitacho> I don't know yet, actually. ahaa
[22:29] <Mitacho> It is here, rm-rf. I could ran the command thanks to sarnold.
[22:36] <djenna> can I ask about ubuntu chrome here?
[22:37] <sarnold> yeah
[22:39] <Mitacho> My last option will be to create my own USB microphone
[22:40] <djenna> OK I havent used this laptop for a year and the chromebookmarks are all out of phase. I cant update chrome, must reinstall but if it synchs I am afraid that these old bookmarks will mess things up. How can I erase all my chrome data before I reinstall the new version of chrome. (thanks for being here sarnold. I m morganu too)
[22:40] <jhutchins> clear your old bookmarks, export them on the new system and import them to the old.
[22:46] <djenna> That isnt the idea. I want ot clear all my chrome data off this laptop before I reinstall chrome and synch. Things are fine with chrome on my home computer.
[22:47] <djenna> Maybe I need to read what you said a couple of more times.
[22:47] <djenna> Now I understand. Thanks jhutchins
[22:48] <jhutchins> djenna: I have no experience with chrome, but I would not expect old user data to persist through a reinstall.
[22:49] <rm-rf> https://superuser.com/questions/306923/what-does-sudo-s-actually-do
[22:49] <jhutchins> djenna: Oh, er, outside the browser that is.
[22:49] <rm-rf> ... On the "sudo -s" earlier. Like I said, it's root for the user but not full admin root. There are higher privilges beyond sudo -s
[22:50] <rm-rf> Also, Chromium is the default browser for Linux. Although I do use Chrome myself and I prefer it.
[22:50] <Mitacho> I couldn't solve the problem with the USB microphone today. Anyway, thanks a lot for the help guys! I'll try to solve it another day.
[22:50] <rm-rf> *default Google browser.
[22:50] <rm-rf> I can figure out the mic issue.
[22:52] <jhutchins> rm-rf: Default browser depends on the distribution.  I know of several major ones that don't use chrom(ium).
[22:53] <Mitacho> rm-rf Oh! cool. I'll stay here, if you mention me I'll respond!
[22:54] <jhutchins> Mitacho: You might do some web searching using the USB ID and the hardware info you got.
[22:54] <Mitacho> OK!
[22:54] <jhutchins> Mitacho: Chances of someone here actually knowing about your specific hardware are pretty small.
[22:55] <oerheks> djenna, f you login with google, your bookmarks are restored, AFAIK
[22:55] <oerheks> and xtentions
[23:05] <rm-rf> https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxCirclejerk/
[23:05] <oerheks> !offtopic
[23:21] <Mitacho> See you guys tomorrow.