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[11:24] <noob8650> Hey, I have a problem with my package manager and I really don't know what to do about it: https://pastebin.com/raw/HNipELAJ           Can someone please help me? It happens when I try to install DigiKam.
[11:25] <tomreyn> noob8650: hi there. what's the exact command you're running, what's the kubuntu version you're on?
[11:26] <tomreyn> to get your version: lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline}
[11:27] <noob8650> tomreyn: I am on Ubuntu 20.04 , I tried "sudo apt install digikam" and there's some conflict.
[11:27] <noob8650> https://pastebin.com/raw/pDjzmtXM
[11:27] <noob8650> I have a few extra package sources, I can list them if you want tomreyn
[11:28] <tomreyn> "lvfs checsum error" is unrelated, we can discuss this afterwards.
[11:28] <noob8650> https://pastebin.com/raw/N1BBfQjqtomreyn:  I ran "sb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline}" here is the output:
[11:28] <tomreyn> !info digicam focal
[11:28] <noob8650> Sorry, I messed up the typing https://pastebin.com/raw/N1BBfQjq
[11:29] <tomreyn>  digikam | 4:6.4.0+dfsg-3build1 | focal/universe  | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, s390x
[11:30] <tomreyn>  digikam-private-libs | 4:6.4.0+dfsg-3build1 | focal/universe  | amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, s390x
[11:30] <noob8650> ubottu: It does exist directly in the Package Manager: https://i.imgur.com/r7zwzIh.png
[11:30] <tomreyn> noob8650: did you run    sudo apt update    before you ran   sudo apt install digikam
[11:31] <noob8650> tomreyn: Yeah, but in the past I may not have
[11:32] <noob8650> tomreyn: "sudo apt update" output: https://pastebin.com/uh1zYbJn
[11:32] <tomreyn> can you show the output of this (it does not change your system, just gathers some info on apt and posts it online)?   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[11:33] <tomreyn> if that feels uneasy / wrong, that's ok, we can run them one by one, juts say so
[11:33] <tomreyn> also please show:   apt policy digikam-private-libs
[11:34] <noob8650> tomreyn: I am running your long command (hopefully nothing happens haha), here's the ouput: https://termbin.com/u902z      (hopefully it contains nothing embrarassing)
[11:35] <tomreyn> nothing embarassing there
[11:35] <noob8650> tomreyn: Output of "apt policy digikam-private-libs" : https://termbin.com/5rd8
[11:35] <tomreyn> this doesn't look bad
[11:36] <tomreyn> https://termbin.com/5rd8 just says "temp.txt"
[11:36] <noob8650> tomreyn: just realized my error, sorry
[11:36] <noob8650> tomreyn: Output of "apt policy digikam-private-libs" : https://termbin.com/eow6
[11:37] <noob8650> Is it maybe an issue that the signal messenger desktop app is from a Xenial ppa while I am on focal?
[11:38] <tomreyn> no that's fine, they just publish their application at this location but it works for multiple releases, it's just a misnomer
[11:39] <tomreyn> going back to the original error message - https://pastebin.com/raw/HNipELAJ says "digikam : Depends: digikam-private-libs (= 4:6.4.0+dfsg-3build1) but it is not going to be installed" which usually means that package digikam-private-libs in version 4:6.4.0+dfsg-3build1 was not known to be available. but:
[11:39] <noob8650> Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I hope I am not annoying you too much. Should I maybe remove so e ppa's? I installed the STM32CubeIDE using some sort of bash script, maybe that messed ssomething up?
[11:40] <tomreyn> ... but: https://termbin.com/eow6 tells us that package digikam-private-libs in version 4:6.4.0+dfsg-3build1 actually *IS* available.
[11:41] <tomreyn> so i'm guessing that if you just re-run    sudo apt install digikam   now it can actually work. can you try again?
[11:41] <noob8650> tomreyn: Hmmm, maybe I am "holding" some sort of package I shouldn't? I re-ran "sudo apt install digikam", the output is still informing me of broken pkgs
[11:41] <tomreyn> if it still errors with the "digikam : Depends: digikam-private-libs (= 4:6.4.0+dfsg-3build1) but it is not going to be installed" message, then try this instead:   sudo apt install digikam digikam-private-libs
[11:43] <noob8650> tomreyn: "sudo apt install digikam digikam-private-libs" : https://termbin.com/cd35
[11:43] <tomreyn> apt-mark showhold    lists held packages (in apt land - aptitude, if you use that, may hold packages differently)
[11:44] <tomreyn> so this https://termbin.com/cd35 tells us that digikam-private-libs could not be installed because it depends on libopencv-objdetect4.2 in a version equal to or grater than 4.2.0+dfsg - and this could not be installed for somereason.
[11:44] <noob8650> tomreyn: I went along with this idea a few times of installing manually what it claims is missing: https://termbin.com/a9fad
[11:45] <tomreyn> it's basically the same process as before now: just append   libopencv-objdetect4.2   to the   sudo apt install ...    line, i.e.    sudo apt install digikam digikam-private-libs libopencv-objdetect4.2     now
[11:46] <tomreyn> oh you did it already, good :)
[11:47] <tomreyn> maybe let's try a different strategy: looking at this dependency queue from the other end: which leftover packages do you have there?
[11:47] <tomreyn> apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:47] <noob8650> I'm feeling like a clown pulling on knotted-tissues: https://termbin.com/9luz
[11:49] <tomreyn> you have this    libopencv-highgui4.2    package installed in version   4.2.0+dfsg-5+20.04.sav2    which, i assume, is from some PPA. it's not the version (k)ubuntu provides
[11:49] <tomreyn>  libopencv-highgui4.2 | 4.2.0+dfsg-5 | focal/universe | amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
[11:50] <tomreyn> i.e. ubuntu's version is 4.2.0+dfsg-5 but not 4.2.0+dfsg-5+20.04.sav2
[11:50] <tomreyn> apt policy libopencv-highgui4.2    should tell you which repository yours is from
[11:50] <noob8650> hm, what should I do about it? Maybe remove the ppa source and uninstall the applications associated?
[11:51] <tomreyn> if those cause dependencies on your system to break, this may be a good strategy, yes
[11:51] <tomreyn> but you'll need to find out which PPA that is first of all.
[11:51] <noob8650> tomreyn: apt policy lobopencv-highgui4.2: https://termbin.com/fmvz
[11:52] <tomreyn> it's normal to 'feel like a clown' while analyzing dpkg dependency chains, this isn't entirely easy
[11:52] <noob8650> tomreyn: Looks like it's from the savoury blender ppa
[11:52] <noob8650> Should I uninstall blender, remove the ppa and then do update and try to install again?
[11:53] <tomreyn> yes, looks like. you could report to them that this dependency their PPA is introducing o your 20.04 system is causing unresolvable dependency chains.
[11:53] <tomreyn> if you can live with uninstalling the blender and its dependencies from this ppa, this should solve your dpeendency issues, yes
[11:54] <noob8650> Okay, trying now
[11:54] <tomreyn> you'll need to disable the PPA, and downgrade or uninstall the packages
[11:54] <noob8650> sudo apt remove blender: Package 'blender' is not installed, so not removed
[11:55] <noob8650> Maybe it has become a zombie of sorts?
[11:55] <tomreyn> so just downgrade the library after disabling the ppa
[11:55] <tomreyn> the command i provided above can list unknown packages and package *versions* *after* you removed a PPA: apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:56] <noob8650> tomreyn: How do  I disable it? Should I just remove the source in Discovery Package manager?
[11:56] <tomreyn> you can do that, yes, i *assume* it will keep a backup around in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[11:58] <noob8650> tomreyn: I ran your unknown packages command from above: https://termbin.com/5loc
[11:59] <noob8650> tomreyn:  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ contents: https://termbin.com/3k7m
[11:59] <tomreyn> i think it will be a good idea to either remove or downgrade the packages listed with ".sav0" versions in this output
[12:00] <tomreyn> i'm referring to https://termbin.com/5loc
[12:00] <tomreyn> noob8650: did you disable the savoury1 blender PPA, yet?
[12:01] <noob8650> tomreyn: Yeah, I also tried installing digikam now, and it appears that savoury1 blender ppa was the exact issue. I guess the ppas wanted differing versions of the same archive? Or what happaned here?
[12:01] <noob8650> Anyways, thank you very much for your patience and also thanks for showing me that termbin tool, it's a cool little thing.
[12:02] <tomreyn> the savoury1 blender ppa introduced a package version with a dependendy on another package version which is neither in ubuntu nor provided by this PPA
[12:04] <tomreyn> the    apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'    command should only ever list packages you know you have chosen to install manually as .deb files. all other lines listed there, if you don't know you need to keep those for some artificial reson, you probably should uninstall or, if they turn out to be needed still, downgrade to the package version in ubuntu
[12:04] <noob8650> tomreyn: Okay, I'll recheck and see if there's another one
[12:05] <tomreyn> so my recommendation there is to    apt --purge autoremove any of those you don't know you need -   but check the list of packages that would be removed as a result before you confirm!
[12:05] <noob8650> tomreyn: Okay, apart from the STM32 and the iscan-esci all others are there without me knowing. BUt I am assuming I can't just remove them?
[12:06] <tomreyn> and better do them one by one
[12:06] <noob8650> tomreyn: So with "sudo apt remove <pkg>"?
 so my recommendation there is to    apt --purge autoremove any of those you don't know you need -   but check the list of packages that would be removed as a result before you confirm!
[12:08] <noob8650> How do I dry-run that command?
[12:08] <tomreyn> --simulate
[12:09] <tomreyn> or --dry-run :) does the same
[12:09] <noob8650> tomreyn: This shouldn't heck my crap up, right? https://termbin.com/6gy6
[12:10] <noob8650> I uninstalled that kmymoney app, it was just a test.
[12:10] <tomreyn> you didn't provide any packages, so this now just operates on packages which were already marked to be autoremoved
[12:10] <noob8650> oh... okay
[12:11] <tomreyn> shouldn't be a problem, no
[12:11] <tomreyn> those are no longer being used
[12:12] <noob8650> tomreyn: should I try to purge all these that aren't "scan" or "stmlink" https://termbin.com/6gy6
[12:12] <tomreyn> my suggestion is to append (at least) any of the sav.0 packages from https://termbin.com/5loc to this command, one by one
[12:12] <tomreyn> or that, yes
[12:12] <noob8650> tomreyn: Yeah, the 5loc, I meant to link that but copied the wrong URL.
[12:13] <noob8650> Okay, trying those sav.0 ones
[12:13] <tomreyn> but, again, make sure you read and are happy with the packages those will purge then
[12:13] <tomreyn> because it could be your entire desktop
[12:14] <tomreyn> if it tries to remove something you still need then you should not purge but instead downgrade those packages to the version provided by ubuntu
[12:14] <noob8650> tomreyn: Okay, I think I'm doing it wrong anyways: https://termbin.com/46f4
[12:14] <tomreyn> just "libde265-0"
[12:14] <noob8650> Yeah, I'll be careful to avoid running something that'll be removing 105 packages at ounce
[12:14] <noob8650> okay
[12:15] <noob8650> tomreyn: Does this look sus to you? https://termbin.com/0d4r
[12:16] <noob8650> It shouldn't be removing gimp, right?
[12:16] <tomreyn> so gimp dpends on *a* version of this package. not neccessarily the one you have now (i'm sure it doesn't)
 if it tries to remove something you still need then you should not purge but instead downgrade those packages to the version provided by ubuntu
[12:17] <tomreyn> which is the version provided by ubuntu?  apt policy libde265-0
[12:18] <noob8650> Okay... so "apt downgrade libde265-0"?
[12:18] <tomreyn> how do you downgrade to that version?  apt install libde265-0=TARGETVERSION
[12:18] <tomreyn> you replace TARGETVERSION by the version that's listed in the "apt policy libde265-0" output for the ubuntu package
[12:19] <tomreyn> show    apt policy libde265-0 | nc termbin.com 9999    if you like
[12:19] <noob8650> So in this case https://termbin.com/hml9 it seems like that's already installed
[12:20] <tomreyn> the version listed on the line before /var/lib/dpkg/status is the one currently installed
[12:20] <tomreyn> also indicated by "***"
[12:21] <noob8650> So I want to install 1.0.4 instead of 1.0.8?
[12:21] <tomreyn> the version listed on the line before "http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe" is the one provided by the ubuntu archives
[12:21] <tomreyn> you want to downgrade to the package version in the ubuntu archives. that's version 1.0.4-1build1
[12:21] <tomreyn> so what do you run?
[12:22] <noob8650> tomreyn: Sorry, I don't know how to downgrade exactly.
[12:22] <tomreyn> apt install libde265-0=1.0.4-1build1
 how do you downgrade to that version?  apt install libde265-0=TARGETVERSION
[12:22] <tomreyn> 1.0.4-1build1 is your target version, the one in ubuntu
[12:23] <tomreyn> so you can downgrade from your current version (still from the blender PPA) to the version in ubuntu proper using    apt install libde265-0=1.0.4-1build1
[12:24] <noob8650> tomreyn: Okay, I downgraded: https://termbin.com/co43e    So I guess if I sheck that "apt-list" command from above it should stop showing that sav.0 package now? Testing...
[12:24] <tomreyn> i know, very complicated stuff, don't worry, you're not dumb ;)
[12:24] <tomreyn> yay, you did it!
[12:24] <noob8650> https://termbin.com/op9l
[12:24] <tomreyn> and correct assumption
[12:25] <noob8650> Whew, I have to do that for every sav.0 package in this list? The list: https://termbin.com/5loc
[12:25] <tomreyn> so... now you need to go back to the list of packages which have a similar problem and process those the same way
[12:25] <noob8650> Woah...
[12:26] <tomreyn> either outright purge, if you're lucky and that doesn't cause other packages you still need to be purged as well (such as gimp=, or downgrade
[12:26] <tomreyn> that's the kind of problems you can get yourself into by using PPAs
[12:27] <noob8650> Oh man... but how do I ever find a linux distro that "jus works"? I guess that's what I get from "new and shiny"
[12:27] <noob8650> Maybe I should try debian unstable?
[12:27] <tomreyn> kubuntu just works, it's just that you decided to go into the unsupported domain by adding PPAs
[12:27] <noob8650> Ah, no - I'll patch this up and now worry about it
[12:28] <noob8650> *not worry about it
[12:28] <noob8650> I guess I'm fine with the older versions. Is it "safer" to manually compile newer software?
[12:28] <noob8650> Or what would you do to have e.g. blender in newer versions?
[12:29] <tomreyn> personally, i'm fine with getting myself into such trouble, because i know how to resolve it, i'd probably be using a PPA, too, ideally one which seems to be well maintained and supported.
[12:29] <tomreyn> another option is to use snaps, which can help there, but can make things worse elsewhere
[12:29] <noob8650> tomreyn: Haha, yes you really do know how to get out of the problem
[12:29] <tomreyn> fortunately you also know now
[12:30] <noob8650> I hate how slow snpas are, I really notice it with xournal++ but I guess so
[12:30] <tomreyn> if you just go over the conversation again and take your notes on how to do this, you'll still know next time
[12:30] <noob8650> Oh well, eventually there might arise mor unity in the distro diaspora - we probably wouldn't have these problems if there weren't so many distros :/
[12:30] <noob8650> Yeah, I'm taking notes now
[12:32] <tomreyn> this is really just a matter of how well an apt repository is maintained. the PPA you used wasn't maintained well at the time.
[12:32] <tomreyn> but yes, you could also say that it would be nice if apt could provide better explanations on why it cannot install some package
[12:33] <tomreyn> there's a reason that every PPA web page says that you risk your system's health by installing "unsupported software from this PPA"
[12:34] <tomreyn> this said, there are well-maintained PPAs, it's just not always easy to tell those apart.
[12:34] <noob8650> Oh, is there a blender ppa you can reccomend more?
[12:34] <tomreyn> i would not know, sorry
[12:34] <tomreyn> i don't use blender myself
[12:35] <noob8650> tomreyn: No reason to apologize. I am *really* thankful for you patient help. I'll write the crucial commands down in cherrytree for noteteaking :)
[12:35] <noob8650> Are you a programmer?
[12:35] <tomreyn> no, just a lousy sysadmin and a couple other things ;)
[12:36] <tomreyn> there is one more thing you should fix up. earlier, while diagnosing the package version dependency chain, you came up with this output: https://termbin.com/9luz
[12:38] <tomreyn> it says "set to manually installed" for some packages. that means that apt has applied a change here, setting packages, which were previously set to be automatically instlalled (to resolve another packages' dependencies) to (now) be set to manually installed (like a package you have intentionally chosen to be installed, such as gimp or blender). you should undo this change:
[12:39] <tomreyn> sudo apt-mark auto libavcodec58 libavformat58 libavutil56 libswscale5
[12:39] <noob8650> So that's what the ppa did? It made it "manual" and thus prevented apt from chaning it to the version it needed for digikam?
[12:39] <tomreyn> that way, these packages can be automatically removed again when all the other packages depending on them will be uninstalled.
[12:40] <tomreyn> no, that's unrelated to the ppa
[12:40] <tomreyn> this change (to manually installed) is a direct result of you listing these packages on the "apt install" line
[12:40] <tomreyn> i.e. see the first line of this post where you noted the command you ran
[12:41] <noob8650> tomreyn: Oh, yeah!
[12:41] <tomreyn> you did this correctly, i suggested running this command then, it's just that it can have this side effect you need to take note of and clean up later
[12:42] <noob8650> Yeah, it was already set to automatic it seems.
[12:42] <tomreyn> it's not really a harmful change, it could just result in more packages remaining installed than you actually need
[12:43] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure why those would have been set to "automatically instaleld" when this output claims differenlty, but maybe that was the result of other changes you made in the meantime
[12:45] <noob8650> tomreyn: I ran the command and they are set to "automatic" now, that should fix the issue with that, right?
[12:45] <noob8650> Now I just need to go through the sav.0 packages
[12:49] <tomreyn> noob8650: "correct" to both ;)
[12:49] <noob8650> tomreyn: Thanks, I'm almost done taking notes, hopefully I'll remember.
[12:50] <tomreyn> thanks to the notes, if they're good, you won't need to remember
[12:51] <tomreyn> this is the result of a PPA search for "blender": https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=blender
[12:52] <tomreyn> unfortunately there is no way to filter search results by target release (ubuntu version packages are provided for) or poularity
[12:53] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~savoury1/+archive/ubuntu/blender is what you were using. Amongst other, it says "You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by..." (as it says for every PPA)
[12:54] <noob8650> tomreyn: Yeah, the disclaimers aren't there for no reason I guess! :)
[12:54] <tomreyn> just keep in mind that, effectively, every apt repository you add to your system is granted root access to your system.
[12:55] <noob8650> Yeah, I think I'm going to be more careful now
[12:55] <tomreyn> this said, this repository doesn't look like it's badly maintained, and i don't expect it to normally be.
[12:56] <user|94> I just installed kubuntu as my first linux distro and I cant seem to connect to wifi how do i add this connection?
[12:56] <tomreyn> noob8650: other than, notably: "*** This PPA is effectively on hold (no further updates except for Xenial) due lack of support as explained here: https://launchpad.net/~savoury1 ***"
[12:57] <tomreyn> user|94: if you have supported wireless hardware, it should be as easy as clicking on the connection icon on the top right corner and selecting the otion to coinnect you to a wireless access point from the drop-down menu
[12:58] <tomreyn> that's from memory, though, i don't actually have a current kubuntu here
[12:59] <noob8650> tomreyn: I tried the next sav.0 offending package, but for some reason there's no "ubuntu version" of it and removing will probably break everything, right? Here are the commands and output: https://termbin.com/95hw
[12:59] <tomreyn> user|94: note also this: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Basic/en#Wireless
[13:01] <tomreyn> noob8650: hmm, that's weird. looking
[13:02] <tomreyn> noob8650: can you do a   sudo apt --purge autoremove    first and see what would be removed there already?
[13:02] <tomreyn> without any packages
[13:02] <tomreyn> ...on the command line
[13:05] <tomreyn> i expect that the ubuntu gimp packages would not depend on a library that is not available in ubuntu for your release.
[13:07] <tomreyn> so it's not clear why apt would purge that original ubuntu gimp package there ("Purg gimp [2.10.18-1]") as a result of you removing a non ubuntu (for your version) package, libdecor-0-0
[13:08] <tomreyn> (could be that another PPA is getting in the way there)
[13:08] <tomreyn> user|94: any luck?
[13:09] <noob8650> tomreyn: there is nothing to autoremove without specifying packages
[13:10] <user|94> not yet no. I cant see any connections in the tray you mentioned and there arent any new drivers available
[13:10] <tomreyn> noob8650: okay, so the removal of, for example, gimp, is indeed a result of removing libdecor-0-0. personally, i would now, to save time, note down the packages that will be purged, but that i want to keep, and just reinstall them later on.
[13:11] <noob8650> tomreyn: okay...
[13:12] <tomreyn> user|94: hmm, okay, if you want to wait 10 minutes, i could install kubuntu here and see what it looks like and maybe guide you through it.
[13:12] <user|94> i have time yes> thanks :D
[13:14] <alkisg> user|94: what's the output of this command? (lsusb; lspci) | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:14] <alkisg> So that we see which wifi adapter you have
[13:14] <tomreyn> wont work without networking, though
[13:15] <alkisg> He doesn't have just wifi, or he doesn't have lan as well?
[13:15] <tomreyn> unknown to me
[13:16] <alkisg> user|94: do you have a LAN (wired) connection? Can you access the internet?
[13:16] <user|94> euhm i am connected to LAN on my desktop atm
[13:16] <alkisg> Can you connect the other PC to LAN, for easier feedback?
[13:16] <user|94> but cant check it on my laptop (linux device) because it doesnt have a port for it
[13:17] <alkisg> OK. Do you have a USB stick to transfer a file?
[13:17] <user|94> andi  dont have an adapter
[13:17] <user|94> i do yes
[13:17] <alkisg> Run this then, on the laptop: (dmesg; lsusb; lspci) > /tmp/output.txt
[13:17] <alkisg> Then transfer /tmp/output.txt to the desktop, and put it to a pastebin
[13:20] <noob8650> tomreyn: Sorry for still picking your brain, but how do I properly downgrade here: https://termbin.com/hlo8   (what is the version I need to choose to install)?
[13:20] <tomreyn> noob8650: no worries. it is 1:12.0.0-3ubuntu1~20.04.4
[13:21] <noob8650> tomreyn: But a package of the name "libllvm121:12.0.0-3ubuntu1~20.04.4" can't be found?
[13:22] <alkisg> sudo apt install libllvm12=1:12.0.0-3ubuntu1~20.04.4
[13:22] <noob8650> Ohhhh, sorry alkisg
[13:24] <tomreyn> just a little typo :)
[13:25] <user|94> the command doesnt seem to do anything alkisg
[13:25] <tomreyn> alkisg: maybe user|94's issue is just about finding the right GUI to configure a wireless LAN - could you guide there (i don't have kubuntu here atm), just to be sure it's not just that?
[13:25] <alkisg> user|94: it generated a file in the /tmp folder
[13:25] <alkisg> And now you're supposed to move it to a usb stick
[13:26] <alkisg> user|94: here's another command for you: ip a
[13:26] <alkisg> When you run that, do you see a wlan0 or wxlsbig-string device?
[13:26] <alkisg> If not, then you don't have drivers for your wlan
[13:26] <alkisg> If yes, tomreyn is right and it's just about using the GUI to connect
[13:27] <user|94> i probably dont have the drivers then, cause i dont see those things
[13:27] <alkisg> OK, try to run the previous command I said, that generates the file
[13:28] <alkisg> It will not output anything. It will generate a file. Then run: xdg-open /tmp
[13:28] <alkisg> This will open /tmp in the file manager; locate the "output.txt" file and copy it to the stick
[13:29] <alkisg> Here's a better one:      (dmesg; ip a; lsusb; lspci) > /tmp/output.txt; xdg-open /tmp
[13:31] <user|94> https://pastebin.com/efZRa0zp
[13:31] <user|94> is this ok?
[13:32] <alkisg> user|94: ah unfortunately it didn't fit all of it. Can you try e.g. in paste.debian.net?
[13:33] <user|94> http://paste.debian.net/1231504/
[13:34] <alkisg> user|94: people there https://askubuntu.com/questions/1357135/driver-for-mediatek-wifi-card-7961 say that they needed a newer kernel. What's your kernel? uname -r
[13:35] <user|94> 5.11.0-27-generic
[13:35] <pasko> Hi guys - I have an issue on Kubuntu where lock screen doesn't respond to keyboard input until mouse is moved. Does anyone know why this might be?
[13:36] <alkisg> user|94: which ubuntu version is that? grep VERSION /etc/os-release
[13:36] <fusionfuture[m]> pasko:  what's your kde version?
[13:37] <alkisg> user|94: e.g. just "20.04" will do...
[13:37] <user|94> its 20.04.3
[13:37] <alkisg> user|94: I would guess it's 20.04.2, not 20.04.3, as .3 has the 5.13 kernel which will work for you
[13:38] <alkisg> user|94: you need to update your system. One easy way I can think of, since you don't have LAN etc, is to create a 20.04.3 live cd (with 5.13 kernel), then boot with it, then "chroot" to your disk, and run apt full-upgrade
[13:38] <tomreyn> or tethering, usually much easier on the user
[13:39] <alkisg> Bluetooth? Yeah nice idea
[13:39] <alkisg> Or usb tethering, right
[13:39] <alkisg> With the android phone
[13:39] <user|94> i like the sound of "much easier on the user" '=D
[13:39] <tomreyn> do you have a smartphone or tab?
[13:39] <Maik> alkisg:  .3 comes with the 5.11 kernel by default on the live iso
[13:39] <user|94> yes
[13:40] <tomreyn> user|94: which of the two?
[13:40] <alkisg> Maik: ouch, they upgraded it after the iso? Weird
[13:40] <user|94> phone
[13:40] <tomreyn> user|94: android or iphone?
[13:40] <user|94> with tab you mean tablet or?
[13:40] <user|94> android
[13:40] <tomreyn> yes
[13:40] <user|94> ah i have both then
[13:40] <user|94> both running android
[13:40] <tomreyn> is the android phone configured to connect to your wireless lan?
[13:41] <Maik> alkisg: after updating .3 they should have the 5.13 kernel
[13:41] <user|94> yes
[13:41] <Maik> HWE is enabled on .3
[13:41] <tomreyn> user|94: do you know how to share the wireless lan on android?
[13:41] <tomreyn> how to "do tethering"
[13:42] <alkisg> https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108
[13:43] <tomreyn> user|94: if you don't know, just ignore this question for now. get your android phone and your charging cable for it, see if you can remove the charger plug off it and connect the remainder to the computer whic is offline.
[13:44] <tomreyn> user|94: ah, alkisg got a good how-to there. ideally, you'll do the lat option listed there in blue script, "tether by usb cable"
[13:44] <user|94> its connected via cable
[13:45] <tomreyn> so just follow those four steps from the how-to on "Tether by USB cable"
[13:47] <tomreyn> once that's done, the kubuntu network panel https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/d/d1/Network_Panel.png should list a new connection which you just need to click on if it's not already active
[13:47] <tomreyn> you should then be able to install pending updates
[13:47] <user|94> it says there should be an option to turn on "usb tethering" but i cant see it
[13:47] <user|94> nvm found it somewhere else xD
[13:48] <tomreyn> phew :)
[13:48] <user|94> ok yes im connected
[13:48] <tomreyn> so install all pending updates now
[13:48] <tomreyn> keep in mind that the uplink of your phone will be used
[13:49] <user|94> just do sudo apt-get update?
[13:49] <tomreyn> so if that is not actually on the wireless lan anymore, but switched to a mobile data connection, then that would be used for the downloads.
[13:49] <tomreyn> yes,    sudo apt update   and then   sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:50] <tomreyn> or you could use the GUI application for that if you prefer
[13:50] <user|94> i want to learn how to use the console so :)  ill use the console
[13:50] <tomreyn> awesome, much easier for me
[13:51] <user|94> its my first time actually using linux so im learning a lot already :D
[13:51] <tomreyn> andoird is kind of linux, too, or a fork of it, some would say
[13:51] <tomreyn> *android
[13:52] <user|94> just the whole downloading of programs and console part of the os is new to me
[13:52] <user|94> it will prob take quite a while to learn it
[13:53] <user|94> but i know there are advantages to using it vs windows in the line of work im in so
[13:54] <tomreyn> if this line of work has anything to do with managing linux systems or developing on them, that's certainly so.
[13:54] <user|94> work might be a big word but im studying IT atm so xD
[13:54] <tomreyn> that it's an advantage, i mean, not that it will neccessarily take long to learn
[13:55] <user|94> i know that forcing myself to use linux will teach me a lot of useful stuff
[13:55] <tomreyn> definitely
[13:55] <user|94> stuff you dont really need to know when you just use the windows GUI for everything
[13:56] <user|94> ok the update is dont i think
[13:56] <user|94> done*
[13:56] <tomreyn> or which are very annoying or complicated or even impossible to get to there, yes
[13:57] <tomreyn> apt list --installed linux* | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:57] <tomreyn> what does this return, other than a warninig?
[13:57] <user|94> if i rerun the version command i see that my version is now 20.04.4 instead of .3
[13:57] <tomreyn> that's good.
[13:58] <user|94> https://termbin.com/sk2a
[13:58] <tomreyn> just give it a reboot then, to move to the newer kernel image
[13:59] <user|94> restart my system?
[13:59] <tomreyn> the one you installed the updates on, yes
[13:59] <user|94> ok
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:00] <tomreyn> for kernel updates, that is actually needed, at least in most cases
[14:00] <user|94> ah ok
[14:00] <user|94> it works!
[14:00] <tomreyn> what is "it"?
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[14:00] <alkisg> 👍️
[14:00] <user|94> the connections are visible
[14:00] <user|94> and im connected to my home network
[14:01] <tomreyn> good, remove the cable to the android phone then
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[14:01] <user|94> big thanks alkisg and timreyn :D
[14:01] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[14:01] <tomreyn> hi Tsug1kuni
[14:01] <user|94> tomreyn*
[14:03] <user|94> well, thanks again :)  lovely community this is cya
[14:03] <noob8650> tomreyn: I found another interesting issue: https://termbin.com/7645  Here it has two version of the package coming from some official ubuntu repo. Which one is the "right one"?
[14:06] <tomreyn> noob8650: the version listed on the bottom is from the "focal/main" section of this repository, the version listedin the middle is available from the "focal-updates/main" section of this repository as well as the "focal-updates/main" section of the security.ubuntu.com repository. which one might be newer/better?
[14:07] <tomreyn> you can also look at the version numbers (assuming you know how to tell when a version numer is considered higher/lower by apt/dpkg). version 0.6.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.1 would count as higher than version 0.6.1-2
[14:07] <tomreyn> now i should explain why that is, and here's where i'm failing, it's just by experience.
[14:09] <noob8650> tomreyn: Okay, I took the "updates" one, I guess my gut feeling was right ;)
[14:09] <noob8650> Or was it? Sorry, I don't trust my judgement.
[14:10] <tomreyn> noob8650: yes, you're right
[14:10] <noob8650> Thanks :D
[14:11] <tomreyn> if you purged the package, then installed it again, the  0.6.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.1 version is what would be installed
[14:12] <tomreyn> "focal/main" contains the packages in their version state as they were released as part of an ubuntu release, or point release (i.e. 20.04, or 20.04.3)
[14:12] <noob8650> tomreyn: I removed/installed ubuntu version for all sav.0 packages. I think I'll reboot now and install the removed apps again (but check my ppa and consider if I need it first)
[14:13] <noob8650> tomreyn: That makes sense. So after that they just give out updates for all the packages and that state is in the updates repos, yeah?
[14:13] <tomreyn> focal-updates contains bug and security fixes, focal-security contains only security fixes (sometimes security fixes will only be availbale there, when they're new)
[14:13] <noob8650> Okay, so there's three then?
[14:14] <noob8650> the ppa one, the updates and the securiy source?
[14:14] <tomreyn> yes there are those three repository sections which stack on top of one another by default
[14:14] <tomreyn> ppa? no
[14:15] <noob8650> Okay, so in order of priority: security, then updates, then release?
[14:15] <tomreyn> yes, you could say so
[14:15] <noob8650> Thanks. I learned a lot with your help. I wish there was something I could do to return a favor.
[14:16] <tomreyn> the priority of what will be installed is really determined by the number behind the version number ("apt priority"), then by the highest version number
[14:16] <noob8650> Okay, that's good to know.
[14:16] <tomreyn> i.e. the "100" and "500" on https://termbin.com/7645  are apt priorities
[14:16] <tomreyn> those can be modified using "apt pinning", if you ever heard of that
[14:17] <tomreyn> but it's not usually needed
[14:17] <tomreyn> or very rarely
[14:17] <noob8650> I heard "pinning" some time ago, but didn't know the exact context. Thanks. If I ever stumble over it again this'll probably help me.
[14:18] <tomreyn> what you can do to return the favor is to keep good notes, keep using them in the future, and when you feel ready for it, pass what you learnt on to others, such as on irc
[14:18] <tomreyn> but that's not mandatory ;)
[14:19] <noob8650> Okay, I will. :) https://i.imgur.com/GZi7sfM.png    I'll maybe autostart the irc in the future.
[14:19] <noob8650> Then I can peek in every now and then,
[14:21] <tomreyn> noob8650: nice notes. :)
[14:22] <noob8650> Ran my backup, now rebooting
[14:58] <noob8650> tomreyn: Everything seems to work!
[15:01] <tomreyn> noob8650: that must be an error!
[15:01] <tomreyn> noob8650: if you want a more busy channel for those under-the-hood (GUI) things that are common to all ubuntu flavours (kubuntu is one) then join #ubuntu, too
[15:17] <noob8650> tomreyn: Okay, I'll add that server to my autojoin list
[15:18] <noob8650> *channel
[22:22] <dirtworker> Hello world
[22:28] <oerheks> world, wake up, customer waiting
[22:44] <GOldkingG4> Hello,does anybody knows how to boost up kde?
[22:48] <oerheks> more memory, better videocard, change hdd to ssd
[22:50] <GOldkingG4> Can I do something liek stop effects,or something like setting graphics to best performance like on windows?
[22:51] <oerheks> !info kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[22:51] <oerheks> oh
[22:51] <oerheks> that used to be a package to minimise effects
[22:52] <oerheks> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/speed-up-the-kde-plasma-5-desktop/
[22:52] <oerheks> https://en.naneedigital.com/article/how_to_optimize_kde_desktop_effects almost the same
[22:55] <Maik> GOldkingG4: what are your system specs?
[22:59] <Maik> oerheks: last release was in 2011
[22:59] <GOldkingG4> Operating System: Kubuntu 21.10
[22:59] <GOldkingG4> KDE Plasma Version: 5.22.5
[22:59] <GOldkingG4> KDE Frameworks Version: 5.86.0
[22:59] <GOldkingG4> Qt Version: 5.15.2
[22:59] <GOldkingG4> Kernel Version: 5.13.0-28-generic (64-bit)
[22:59] <GOldkingG4> Graphics Platform: X11
[22:59] <Maik> !paste | GOldkingG4
[23:00] <Maik> and with system specs i mean CPU, how much RAM
[23:03] <GoldkingG4> I have 7.6gb ram
[23:04] <GoldkingG4> Processors: 4 × Intel® Core™ i5-7200U CPU @ 2.50GHz
[23:04] <GoldkingG4> Memory: 7.6 GiB of RAM
[23:04] <GoldkingG4> Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 620
[23:04] <Maik> should be no problem then
[23:04] <Maik> KDE Plasma is fast enough
[23:04] <Maik> you can play around with the Animation speed
[23:05] <GoldkingG4> any tipson how to speed up even more? Besides using bleachbit and clenase applications?
[23:05] <GoldkingG4> tips on*
[23:06] <Maik> bleachbit and cleaners aren't recommended to use
[23:06] <Maik> and they don't speed up your system
[23:07] <GoldkingG4> why? then what should I use andor use?
[23:07] <Maik> GoldkingG4: set the animation speed to instant if you want it to fly and use a ssd
[23:08] <Maik> GoldkingG4: such apps can do more harm that anything else, so bleachbit and cleaners aren't needed at all
[23:08] <oerheks> those 2 urls give some options
[23:09] <oerheks> but yes, intel hd620 is limited, still you can run youtube on it
[23:09] <Maik> GoldkingG4: linux isn't windows....
[23:09] <Maik> with his specs Kubuntu should run just fine
[23:10] <GoldkingG4> I know
[23:10] <Maik> heck i can even run it on a old T410 with 4GB of RAM and a i5 processor
[23:10] <GoldkingG4> I just wanted to see if there were similar things
[23:10] <oerheks> 7.6 gb tells me you have selected the max shared memory for video, that is oke
[23:11] <oerheks> use those tips, or be happy with it
[23:11] <GoldkingG4> alright thanks guys
[23:11] <Maik> GoldkingG4: get it out of your head that you need bleachbit or cleaner apps
[23:11] <Maik> ;)
[23:16] <GoldkingG4> by the way,can I change the taskbar color without installing any themes?
[23:17] <oerheks> maybe, by editting the current theme?
[23:18] <GoldkingG4> how do I do that? Im such a noob
[23:19] <oerheks> never done such, maybe this page is any help https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kate/katepart/color-themes.html
[23:21] <oerheks> or https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/h91mi3/how_to_change_taskbar_color_without_changing_any/
[23:22] <oerheks> it needs to edit a css file, good luck!