[02:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:49] <Eickmeyer> I really hate playing those cards, but they left me no choice. >.<
[04:52] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: Tou do good works :D
[04:52] <Eickmeyer> Thanks, Bashing-om. :) Not looking for praise, but man, that one just wouldn't back off.
[04:56] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: Uh huh - and moreso is communicating to the communtity the why-so. Even I was not aware of the why dropping the minimal-cd.
[05:02] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: Yeah, the TB kinda dropped the ball on that one, to be fair. I don't recall a ML piece about it, but I think there was discussion in the disciouse with a very-well reasoned write-up by vorlon.
[05:03] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: Basically, the publication of the mini.iso was a consequence of debian-installer doing its thing by spitting it out as a result of the germinate process, and was never an official way to install.
[05:04] <Eickmeyer> If one wants to experience something similar, the server iso along with tasksel should do the trick.
[05:05] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: I did it a cpuple of times - was a pain tracking down and installing some of the support structures. Then unit193 put out his core install - was much saner :D
[05:05] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, very likely.
[05:09] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: However - unit194 advises he is not going to do another (20.04 to be the last) - lack of feedback and support. So next on my learning curve will be building from the server .iso :P
[05:09] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I saw something about that. Too bad, but I guess it didn't have much publicity.
[05:10] <oerheks> unit194, haven't seen him a long time
[05:11] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Still around - and still holding my hand as needed :P
[05:12] <oerheks> oh oke
[05:14] <Bashing-om> oerheks: For funnzies unit193 changes his nick in the Winter-time. Becomes JackFrost.
[07:42] <ducasse> good morning
[08:07] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[10:24] <oerheks> ogra, 4th opinion please :-P
[10:24] <ogra> haha
[10:24] <oerheks> hi marcoagpinto 
[10:24] <oerheks> & ducasse 8-)
[10:26] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:34] <oerheks> sometimes i wish i had ops .. 
[10:39] <Jeremy31> not really
[10:40] <oerheks> Jeremy31, and sometimes i wish you make me coffee
[10:40] <oerheks> sudo sandwich
[10:40] <Jeremy31> I don't make coffee
[10:41] <oerheks> well, it is good to have something to wish for
[10:41] <Ravage> making coffee right now. you can have a cup or two
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> Jeremy31: im still testing wifi without energy mode, but had a few disconnects already, so not sure its bug #1960817 yet
[10:59] <Jeremy31> lotuspsychje: ok, I usually have 40% signal or less and don't see any disconnects but I ditch the power save soon after install
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> Jeremy31: bug #1949065 is my original
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> usualy happens when more multitask browsing around
[11:07] <Jeremy31> Do you need the P2P?
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> Jeremy31: what do you mean?
[11:15] <Jeremy31> The wifi log showed  manager: (p2p-dev-wlp2s0): new 802.11 Wi-Fi P2P device
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> i didnt do nothing, a default jammy here following the update cycle
[11:23] <Jeremy31> I might have to down jammy, see what it does
[11:24] <Jeremy31> I see some errors because of UBSAN on the 5.15 kernel
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> if you need some logs or commands, i can trigger
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=5.15.0-18-generic firmware=46.4e1ceb39.0 9260-th-b0-jf-b0- ip=192.168.1.4 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
[11:25] <Jeremy31> are there a lot of APs in the area?
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> got 2 neighbours with possible wifi
[11:27] <Jeremy31> So it shouldn't be using a crowded channel then
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> 7 ssids around me
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> so more then 2 neighbours
[11:27] <Jeremy31> Hopefully not all using the same channel
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> i still suspect kernel, as same chipset here worked like a charm on focal
[11:30] <Jeremy31> I have 5.15.0-22 installed, but I am booted into 5.13 as touchpad has issues with 5.15
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> kk
[11:31] <Jeremy31> Intel 9461
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> bit newer then mine, product: Wireless-AC 9260
[11:31] <Jeremy31> Have to hook a mouse up and see what 5.15 will do with it after work
[11:34] <Jeremy31> I do have a 8265 I can put in the other laptop
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: RE: bug 1949065, looks like some additional information was requested and the bug is marked "incomplete". You might want to get that information and re-mark the bug as "New" otherwise it'll expire in about a month.
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer: i was a bit unsure what to do, as i never went on -proposed as the dev requested, i filed the bug on 5.13 and now jammy reached 5.15 my bug persists
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: Oh, then report back your findings and mark it at new. That simple
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ok, tnx
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> done Eickmeyer 
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: :)
[19:17] <oerheks> Maik, somehow i have a feeling that frost-core is an old troll
[19:18] <oerheks> squeezing my brain to find a name.
[19:18] <Maik> he's a bored kid, nothing more :)
[19:18] <Maik> oerheks: let me know when you found out
[19:47] <ednash> Is it a common practice to keep a Ubuntu Desktop always on?
[19:53] <daftykins> the OS would not be relevant to that 
[19:56] <ednash> True that. I've converted a Windows machine yesterday, am trying to learn the standard practices. Since I asked how I can keep ubuntu on while ssh is connected, someone suggested to keep it always on.
[19:58] <ednash> I learned on further research that I can use a sleep hook with pm-action, by placing a script on /etc/pm/sleep.d. I am no stranger to codes, so that sounded like a good way to do what I want - add a hook that checks if ssh is connected and prevent sleep if it is.
[19:59] <ednash> Truth is though I'm new to having a linux desktop; so I wanted to get my grounding right before veering off on my own :)
[20:07] <daftykins> honestly i never used sleep on any OS in over 30 years
[20:07] <daftykins> if you're not using it, it goes off - aside from a personal home server that has 24x7 roles
[20:11] <ednash> "if you're not using it, it goes off" - you mean you turn it off manually. i am forgetful, sometimes it would stay on for days if i do that
[20:11] <ednash> but i'm learning it may not be as big a deal as i thought it was
[20:24] <daftykins> shutdown before bed / leaving the house isn't too hard to remember!
[21:03] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue723 now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue723 :D
[21:09] <daftykins> Monday confirmed!