[00:00] <snowhawk> ok
[03:36] <ednash> Are LVM's resilient to - say - booting from another drive?
[03:36] <ednash> I mean is the logical data part of the operating system which created them, or are distributed and part of the disks?
[03:37] <ednash> I think it should be the later - but don't know for sure.
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:32] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje!
[04:32] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> howdy
[08:19] <ducasse> good morning
[15:25] <leftyfb> yrdsb43 is a known troll/dumb kid in school
[15:26] <leftyfb> https://termbin.com/4uayk
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> right
[15:44] <null_user> Yeah ... 
[16:49] <Maik> leftyfb: just tell them to stop trolling
[16:49] <leftyfb> yeah, that works
[16:50] <Maik> i bet they know very well that the old releases are EOL
[17:38] <leftyfb> the idiot actually used his school district acronym for his IRC user and nick 
[17:41] <Maik> time they k-line him
[18:15] <Ravage> andrew2 forgot to change his user info. its still our stupid school guy :)
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> and his friend chunkyz also plays along :p
[19:09] <leftyfb> I love how I'm being that I'm being too harsh by an op who has posted exactly 49 times in the channel since it was created on this network
[19:09] <leftyfb> we need more ops
[19:11] <Maik> i said many times before we need more ops
[19:11] <Maik> but who am i...
[19:13] <leftyfb> I've been saying this for well over a decade
[19:17] <spambot> Go on. If ya can't trust spam, who is ya? 
[19:17] <spambot> Who can ya trust? 
[19:17] <leftyfb> spambot: stop
[19:18] <Maik> spambot: please stop trolling
[19:19] <rm_rf> ls 
[19:19] <rm_rf> *k
[19:19] <rm_rf> There - I'm no longer spam. 
[19:20] <Maik> change your nick and stop the nonsense rm_rf
[19:21] <leftyfb> see, really not that difficult 
[19:21] <Maik> thanks
[19:21] <Maik> they are in offtopic too... lol
[20:02] <leftyfb> here we go again
[20:17] <leftyfb> ogra: you know that's just aderall right?
[20:17] <leftyfb> krytarik's buddy
[20:17] <ogra> yeah 🙂 
[20:18] <leftyfb> btw, I vote no confidence in krytarik
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: That's a road you don't want to go down.
[20:20] <leftyfb> oh?
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> Trust.
[20:21] <leftyfb> someone is posts maybe twice a month and has only ever removed 2 people since this network started?
[20:22] <leftyfb> is/who/
[20:27] <leftyfb> as usual, we cater to the proven trolls and reprimand the people trying to keep them out. Nothing has changed in well over a decade. sarnold I thought you were one of the good ones
[20:28] <daftykins> he is! my cat keeps him in line... what's he meant to be doing wrong?
[20:30] <sarnold> leftyfb: well, the truth is, you and Maik seem to add gasoline to every interaction that's going on..
[20:30] <Maik> and thanks sarnold
[20:30] <sarnold> leftyfb: we get constant complaints about how rude you guys can be
[20:30] <leftyfb> sarnold: if we had ops around that handled them before they got out of hand, maybe that wouldn't happen
[20:30] <daftykins> Maik: well i know that much and i'm not even in there...
[20:30] <sarnold> leftyfb: aye, perhaps
[20:31] <sarnold> leftyfb: but a few kind words to redirect folks is almost always a better approach than just swinging a banhammer
[20:32] <sarnold> leftyfb: I've had a conversation with rm_rf, he'll probably behave better in the future, hopefully that's enough to calm things back down to the point where we can make this a happy place for people
[20:33] <leftyfb> sarnold: and when(not if) he starts his antics again, trying to push buttons and see how far he gets and there's no ops around? Just let him fill the channel with garbage so that people looking for help either don't bother or are missed or get wrong information right?
[20:33] <sarnold> leftyfb: yeah, if that happens again, we can either have a conversation or swing ban hammers
[20:34] <sarnold> leftyfb: but I think a *huge* portion of why he does it is because it gets a reaction out of you two
[20:34] <leftyfb> sarnold: only if "we" is around. That is 95% of the problem
[20:34] <sarnold> leftyfb: yeah
[20:34] <Maik> at least act faster and kick the one out that doesn't behave, not ban but just kick... it's easy as that
[20:35] <Maik> first we have 30 minutes troll behaviour of a kid then another moron follows, it's normal that i react that why
[20:36] <Maik> why/way
[20:38] <leftyfb> sarnold: mind me asking where you're getting these complaints?
[20:39] <sarnold> leftyfb: private messages
[20:40] <Maik> from whom?
[20:41] <sarnold> from people who've had poor experiences in #ubuntu
[20:42] <Maik> about me and leftyfb only?
[20:43] <sarnold> I don't know about "only", but certainly I hear that our irc channel is not very friendly
[20:45] <ogra> it clearly got less friendly compared to ... say 10y ago ... but so got the trolls 
[20:45] <Maik> they shouldn't complain since it's the same everywhere else and i know channels where it's even worse, i guess it's the people and the time we're living in.
[20:45] <ogra> though i'm in sarnold's boat here that you guys are pretty fast on the trigger with kicks/bans 
[20:47] <leftyfb> ogra: I've been saying for years, there's no point in hand-holding a blatant troll. 
[20:48] <Maik> i'm sure willing to change my attitude if that helps but it will take some time to adjust due my burnout which is the main reason i react the way i do lately.
[20:48] <leftyfb> I'd be curious to know how many times someone has complained about me and the op went back and saw in the logs that they had legitimate support issues and weren't being helped and I was being rude
[20:52] <Maik> if a annoying person in the channel is asked kindly to stop then they should stop, if they don't stop after the third time asking to do so they should be dealt with by a op.
[20:52] <leftyfb> ^
[20:52] <leftyfb> 95% of the problem
[20:52] <Maik> the annoyance should go on for 30 minutes in a row
[20:52] <sarnold> leftyfb: I think we create our own trolls through heavy-handed responses. sure there's always going to be skraitos and lizard crew and so on, but most folks just come here looking for help and get yelled at that they asked the wrong kind of question or about the wrong software, etc
[20:53] <Maik> should/shouldn't
[20:54] <sarnold> full ack on "asked kindly", I guess i just see that missing often
[20:54] <leftyfb> sarnold: your example does happen quite a bit and yes, I do get a bit aggravated with people going about an issue the wrong way. I certainly don't "yell" but I do try to dig down into their actual issue. Yes, when they refuse, I shut down
[20:55] <sarnold> aye, it's only natural.. it happens to me too
[20:55] <Maik> just look at that yrdsb kid whom just couldn't quit... a libera staff member had to step in and deal with the issue while it was your job to do so
[20:55] <sarnold> but we're all here to help folks, right?
[20:56] <Maik> of course we are
[20:56]  * daftykins puts his hand up
[20:56] <daftykins> no sir!
[20:56] <sarnold> lol
[20:56] <sarnold> okay everyone here *except mischief* is here to help folks, right?
[20:56] <Maik> daftykins: go tickle your cat :P
[21:01] <daftykins> we're not speaking, she didn't get a second portion of fish xD