[00:07] <ednash> to be able to ssh into ubuntu i will just install openssh-server, right?
[00:08] <ednash> why would i ever want to install the openssh-client? doesn't ubuntu already support ssh command natively?
[00:14] <ednash> ls
[00:16] <sarnold> ednash: yes, openssh-client is inthe default install for many versions of ubuntu, but perhaps not all
[00:20] <ednash> oh i see, makes sense. thanks
[01:14] <esv> hello folks, is there a way to do an LVM disk encryption install on a partitioned disk ?
[01:14] <esv> or encrypt the live system? reboots are ok
[01:17] <oerheks> i think LVM wants whole disk, AFAIK
[01:21] <VIA> yo simple question, hope someone might have some input: how would i go about defining/setting P"rocess priorities" within ubuntu?
[01:22] <VIA> coming from windows i could always set any proces from low, very low, medium, high and realtime
[01:22] <Ravage> VIA: renice
[01:22] <VIA> either through GUI or by starting an executable with the right arguments
[01:22] <sarnold> VIA: nice, renice, schedtool, rtkit
[01:23] <VIA> thats plents of options ? uhhm
[01:23] <sarnold> VIA: systemd units can also CPUSchedulingPriority= directive, too
[01:24] <VIA> since i cant be certain, for now, that i could easily start software with arguments to make it so, a tool that offers me a GUI for now would be preferable
[01:24] <VIA>  im looking nice/renice up righ t now
[01:25] <Ravage> nice starts a process with a given prio
[01:25] <Ravage> renice changes a running one
[01:27] <Ravage> I'm not sure but the gnome system monitor may be able to set it too
[01:27] <VIA> hmm looks like i understand the workenings of "renice" but nowhere does it mention what actual options i have
[01:27] <lilgopher> _________: nice nick
[01:28] <VIA> eg what numbers mean which priorization
[01:28] <VIA> i use xfce, no gnome
[01:28] <Ravage> The nice value range is -20 to +19 where -20 is highest, 0 default and +19 is lowest.
[01:28] <sarnold>        Niceness values range from -20 (most favorable to the
[01:28] <sarnold>        process) to 19 (least favorable to the process).
[01:33] <red_herring> Hello, I'm having trouble setting up ssh to work over the internet on my ubuntu 20.04 server, if anyone could help me figure out what I am missing
[01:33] <red_herring> What I have done so far:
[01:33] <red_herring> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JN6crTmPwf/
[01:34] <VIA> what are the possible values in renice ?
[01:34] <VIA> ahhhh thxalot Ravage <3
[01:35] <oerheks> sudo ufw list# would give a list of pre-sets
[01:35] <oerheks> *hint*
[01:35] <VIA> think i owuldnt mind a simple gui tool
[01:35] <oerheks> err sudo  ufw app list
[01:36] <VIA> having a hard time with PID's
[01:36] <VIA> i like htop but its way loaded, its hard for me to figure out what the correct parent-task would be to fiffle with
[01:37] <Ravage> VIA: open system montitor. you can change the prio there
[01:37] <jhutchins> red_herring: That's really nothing useful.
[01:37] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow ssh https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ufw-allow-incoming-ssh-connections-from-a-specific-ip-address-subnet-on-ubuntu-debian/
[01:37] <VIA> sudo ufw app list
[01:37] <VIA> [sudo] password for decoy:
[01:37] <VIA> Available applications:
[01:37] <VIA>   CUPS
[01:37] <VIA> ^^ ---- OoOo
[01:37] <oerheks> that is a check if the application has acces
[01:37] <jhutchins> red_herring: what happens when you try to connect?  What do you get when you use the -vvv (verbose) option?
[01:38] <VIA> yess system monitor" how do u get it?
[01:38] <VIA> doesnt seem to be on my distro
[01:38] <oerheks> so, your cups is reachable from the notwork, as it should
[01:38] <Ravage> press the windows key. start typing "system monitor"
[01:39] <Ravage> if your distro is any supported Ubuntu this is installed by default
[01:39] <VIA> like i just mentioned it is not
[01:40] <red_herring> I have already done sudo ufw allow [port #] , I do not have another linux machine to connect to this one so I am using putty, let me see if there is a way to get verbose output
[01:41] <Ravage> VIA: run "cat /etc/issue|nc termbin.com 9999" in a terminal and send the link here
[01:43] <VIA> all info in link created is " Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS \n \l " Ravage
[01:44] <VIA> iv seen a screenshiot of "system monitor" nad this might be exactly what i want to eese things for th beginning
[01:44] <Ravage> if you used the default ubuntu installer that application must exist
[01:45] <Ravage> but the package is called "gnome-system-monitor"
[01:45] <sarnold> VIA: try installing gnome-system-monitor ? that looks plausible
[01:45] <Ravage> so just install it
[01:46] <VIA> apt install gnome-system-monitor ?
[01:46] <Ravage> with sudo if you are not root
[01:47] <Ravage> sudo apt install gnome-system-monitor
[01:47] <VIA> :)
[01:48] <VIA> alrighdy good it sweet now lets see
[01:48] <Bashing-om> VIA: as you run xfce4 - pay attention as the what Gnome dependencies you pull in ^ .
[01:48] <red_herring> jhutchins: "ssh: connect top host (ip addr) port (#): connection timed out
[01:48] <VIA> what exactly do you mean Bashing-om ?
[01:48] <blei> is there a way to install gcc-6
[01:48] <VIA> personally im wary having too much different/wild different desktop enviroment stuff at the same time
[01:49] <VIA> pretty sure this is part what has been ruining my experience partially
[01:49] <Bashing-om> VIA: Differnet code bases for the desktop environment - could get some bloat and maybe some DE conflicts - maybe ?
[01:50] <VIA> but this distro is for CAD/creation music/ imagery orograms photo/drawings tool et all so i do understand why thwy would try to maximize compatibility
[01:51] <VIA> ahh i think im good for now thx everyone!!! <3
[01:51] <VIA> the nice~ stuffs is pretty straightforwards. systemmonitor looks liek it can ease things up for me for startes
[01:51] <sarnold> blei: you could install bionic in an lxd or VM or something, I guess https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-6
[01:51] <blei> sarnold i installed repos going all the way back to trusty but i don't see 6 so far
[01:52] <blei> i see gcc-8
[01:52] <blei> i am using  apt-cache search gcc | grep gcc | grep 6
[01:53] <blei> i have gcc-7 avail as well
[01:54] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[01:54] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test
[01:54] <sarnold> blei: heh, gcc-6 binaries are in universe http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gcc-6/  and not main http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-6/   -- so make sure you've got universe enabled in your bionic instance
[01:54] <red_herring20> jhutchins: lost connection, if you responded I missed it unfortunately. Here is the full output https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/S6sK3PM822/
[01:55] <blei> sarnold just to clarify i do not have a bionic instance, i have a jammy instance, with all repos going back to trusty in sources.list, including universe / multiverse
[01:56] <blei> i will attempt the ppa
[01:56] <oerheks> build it from source
[01:57] <oerheks> that would be the safest way to add that old version .. in a vm would be safe
[01:57] <oerheks> some collect anything, grinn
[01:59] <blei> ppa no-go attempting compile
[02:08] <blei> i've built a lot of things with gcc but i've never built gcc
[02:10] <blei> it generates, by far, the coolest looking compiler warnings i've seen
[02:12] <blei> building gcc 11 with gcc 6 a no-go ./md-unwind-support.h:65:47: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ‘struct ucontext’ sc = (struct sigcontext *) (void *) &uc_->uc_mcontext;
[02:12] <blei> err, building gcc 6 with gcc 11 x_x
[02:12] <jhutchins> red_herring20: Putty will do verbose output, you need to launch it from a shell prompt/command line (whatever they call it in Windows).
[02:13] <jhutchins> red_herring20: is the ssh daemon listening?  Can you connect to the localhost on the server?
[02:20] <sanmingzhi> Has anyone had any luck installing VoiceMod via Lutris or other any other means?
[02:23] <oerheks> if you find no answer here, there is #lutris here on #libera too.
[02:28] <sanmingzhi> awesome. thank you
[02:55] <red_herring20> jhutchins: I can connect using localhost or the local ip from another machine
[03:06] <red_herring20> jhutchins: this is what I see if I try to connect over the internet https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/S6sK3PM822/
[03:12] <sanmingzhi> The "Connection timed out" is usually from firewall at the network or OS level. Make sure you have port forwarding setup in your router too if you're connecting from outside to a lan without a vpn.
[03:13] <red_herring> just to be sure - the port I forward on the router should be the same as the port I open on the server, yes?
[03:14] <sanmingzhi> thats the easiest way
[03:14] <red_herring> if so, that is already done, ufw allow [port #], hosts.allow ALL: sshd, GatewayPorts yes
[03:14] <red_herring> I wonder if this is windows firewall actually
[03:16] <sanmingzhi> If you have ssh running on a custom port make sure you've restarted the ssh service and its actually running on the custom port too
[03:17] <sanmingzhi> also check your default policy to see if its allow/deny. You may need to specifically allow traffic to the port
[03:18] <red_herring> systemctl status ssh shows the correct port, I am able to connect on the local network as well
[03:19] <red_herring> I'm thinking it's something on windows or my router
[03:19] <sanmingzhi> probably router / port forwarding level since you can connect locally
[03:19] <red_herring> thank you for your suggestions, much appreciated
[03:19] <sanmingzhi> sure thing
[03:51] <ednash> what is a good filesystem for large (2TB+) backup disks, if i want inter-operability with windows? (don't care about mac)
[03:59] <jhutchins> ednash: Windows pretty much limits it to NTFS/CIFS unless you want to do third party FS drivers on Windows (not recommended).
[04:05] <ednash> thanks
[04:07] <oerheks> !exfat
[04:37] <mybalzitch> good and windows is mutually exclusive WRT filesystems
[04:47] <leftyfb> jhutchins: CIFS isn't a filesystem
[04:48] <hammr> hello
[06:24] <leptone> Can anyone recommend a good guide for creating a persistent bootable Ubuntu USB from a Windows 10 machine?
[06:25] <shamebot> suro rm -rf /* .... kidding!
[06:25] <shamebot> Don't try that at home. Actually if you try it, you just get a warning and can cancel. But, anyway ...
[06:25] <shamebot> *sudo
[06:27] <oerheks> mkusb https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[06:28] <oerheks> on windows rufus?
[07:02] <ns12> Hello, do package updates ever overwrite configuration files in /etc/ that I have modified?
[07:12] <EriC^^> ns12: that can happen, yes
[07:12] <alkisg> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#conffiles
[07:13] <Phoebus> What's a functional, feature rich document viewer (close to adobe bridge), supporting AI files and PDF, among others...
[07:14] <ns12> EriC^^: Is it possible for that to happen silently (i.e. without prompts or warnings)?
[07:15] <EriC^^> ns12: i've had apache2 rewrite /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/apache2.service a couple times silently
[07:34] <shamebot> Anyone know how to restart nautilus or fix crashes, other than doing something like ps aux | grep nautilus then killing it?
[08:23] <Achak> Hello everyone
[08:26] <frost-core> Hello!
[08:26] <frost-core> how do i upgrade to jammy jellyfish builds?
[08:26] <frost-core> from impish indri
[08:27] <Achak> You use `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` @frost-core
[08:29] <frost-core> Achak : do i have to constantly update every new development build?
[08:30] <Achak> What do you mean? You only upgrade to the dev build once
[08:30] <Achak> and then you use it normally like every linux distro
[08:30] <Achak> you just have to constanrly update your system
[08:31] <frost-core> i meant, do i have to run the command you gave me every single time? or just sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[08:33] <Achak> You only do do-release-upgrade -d once to upgrade to jammy
[08:33] <Achak> and then after just update and upgrade
[08:33] <Achak> but be careful
[08:33] <Achak> you may break your system by upgradig
[09:14] <strophee> .
[11:31] <frost-core> hello
[11:31] <frost-core> im currently upgrading to jammy
[11:31] <frost-core> and i notice a sound issue
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> !next | frost-core
[11:31] <frost-core> no sound plays
[11:33] <oerheks> Until release, support and bugs in #ubuntu -next
[12:54] <hook> Hi. Has there been a short window when (a broken) 20.04.4 got released?
[12:55] <hook> I triggered a normal update yesterday or today, and my system says I’m on 20.04.4, even though neither the wiki nor the website mention it as released yet. And I’m facing all sorts of issues now.
[13:26] <saint_> hi all . Could someone recommend a VPN Server which allows me to setup PSK for clients? I was looking at StrongSwan.. Any feedback on that would be appreciated :)
[13:30] <oerheks> saint_, not really an ubuntu support issue, choice of vpn and options
[13:31] <zenof> Where is stdout written to in gnome when I run a script by custom key-binding ? For example when I bind 'F7' to: sh -c '[ -t 1 ] && notify-send "STDOUT" "" || notify-send "NO STDOUT" ""'  ... I get "STDOUT"
[13:32] <saint_> oerheks not looking for support. looking for ubuntu users who went through the same dilema.
[13:48] <codebam> hey I'm trying to install libgraphite2 but it says it's not found?
[13:48] <codebam> ah -dev
[13:48] <codebam> thanks
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:00] <codebam> hello BluesKaj
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi codebam
[14:03] <codebam> how are you today?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> doing ok, thanks codebam, how about you?
[14:37] <codebam> doing ok. sorry I've been in and out
[14:54] <frost-core> hello guys
[14:54] <frost-core> my lubuntu wont connect to wifi
[14:54] <frost-core> Secrets were required but not provided
[14:54] <frost-core> when using nmcli
[14:55] <frost-core> please, help
[14:55] <frost-core> ive tried everything on the internet
[14:57] <leftyfb> frost-core: http://lubuntuhowto.blogspot.com/2016/01/how-to-connect-to-wifi-network-on-lubuntu.html
[14:58] <frost-core> umm
[14:58] <frost-core> gui is worse, it didnt work i think
[15:06] <hideroot> hello where
[15:07] <frost-core> hideroot, can you solve my issue if you can?
[15:07] <frost-core> i upgraded to jammy jellyfish, and i cant connect to wifi
[15:07] <frost-core> Secrets were required but not provided
[15:07] <leftyfb> !next | frost-core
[15:08] <leftyfb> frost-core: Ubuntu 22.04 is no released and not supported here
[15:09] <frost-core> leftyfb : also, this happenes on another 21.04 machine
[15:09] <hideroot> i have old lumia 950 and i wont install ubuntu touch.. it is possible?
[15:09] <frost-core> i hosted a hotspot from archlinux
[15:10] <leftyfb> frost-core: is any device able to successfully connect to your hotspot at this very moment? (please confirm)
[15:10] <frost-core> leftyfb : no
[15:10] <frost-core> i couldnt
[15:10] <yrdsb43> hi how do i install four in a row on ubuntu
[15:11] <leftyfb> frost-core: then your issue is with the hotspot on arch, not the clients trying to connect to the misconfigured hotspot
[15:11] <frost-core> leftyfb : give me a command to make a hotspot, but the correct one
[15:11] <oerheks> https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> yrdsb43: it might be included in gcompris package
[15:11] <leftyfb> yrdsb43: look through the software store for games to install
[15:12] <yrdsb43> no
[15:12] <frost-core> i did nmcli d wifi hotspot ssid hotspotnamehere password testpasswordhere
[15:12] <yrdsb43> i use the terminal to install
[15:12] <yrdsb43> way easier
[15:12] <yrdsb43> i just need to do sudo apt-get install *game name*
[15:12] <leftyfb> frost-core: ask for support with Archlinux in their IRC channel
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[15:13] <Mathisen> yrdsb43, well if it is so easy why ask :)
[15:13] <yrdsb43> !op troller detected
[15:13] <leftyfb> Mathisen: they left
[15:13] <leftyfb> oh wait, they didn't
[15:13] <yrdsb43> !op ban yrdsb43 asap
[15:13] <leftyfb> yrdsb43: if you know the answer, then why are you asking?
[15:13] <leftyfb> ah, troll, that's why
[15:13] <oerheks> i don't read lumina on that page , join #ubports for more info?
[15:15] <yrdsb43> what does !op even do
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> yrdsb43: sudo apt install gcompris
[15:15] <leftyfb> yrdsb43: this is a support channel. Please stay on topic
[15:19] <yrdsb43> how do i install gnome software center on ubuntu
[15:20] <yrdsb43> i dont know the package name
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-software
[15:20] <Maik> yrdsb43: why would you? Ubuntu already has a software center
[15:23] <oerheks> i could understand the install of synaptic ..
[15:35] <BluesKaj> still prefer the original Muon, not the discover version
[15:56] <noob8650> BluesKaj: I just wish there was more embracing of incremental improvement rather than "let's rewrite it"
[16:02] <BluesKaj> noob8650, the emphasis seems to be ease of use on the gui with less regard for package reference info.
[16:26] <yrdsb> hi
[16:26] <yrdsb> should i use the latest lts relese 20.04 or older relese like 16.10 5.10 6.06 18.04
[16:27] <ThinkT510> I'd recommend a supported release
[16:27] <leftyfb> yrdsb: you should only use supported releases. That would be 18.04, 20.04 or 21.10 which is EOL in July
[16:34] <PTNapivoski> I am waiting for Jammy
[16:35] <leftyfb> PTNapivoski: they left. They only stick around long enough to ask a stupid question and then leave. Probably because they aren't supposed to be chatting on IRC during class
[16:36] <PTNapivoski> :/
[17:01] <sweb> is journald log contain all of other level logs of OS, like syslog, kernel log, auth?
[17:03] <marc__> anyone know why wine keeps complaining about wine-mono
[17:03] <jhutchins> sweb: the systemd journal is pretty all-inclusive.  AFIK it doesn't break different services out to different logs.
[17:03] <Minvera> how does iptables rules get loaded if i have nothing relating to "iptables" in my /etc/ ?
[17:04] <sweb> jhutchins: thanks, so if i collect journald logs and send to centric logs in ubuntu, i already have all logs of system, no log will be lost.
[17:05] <DMZfreeZone> What?
[17:05] <DMZfreeZone> K ... and I should have said this sooner. Clonezilla anyone?
[17:05] <DMZfreeZone> If you need to preserve and study ... you have the spare drive. Clone first so you can recover later and study if needed.
[17:10] <leftyfb> marc__: try #winehq
[17:10] <marc__> I did
[17:10] <marc__> its like the graveyard shift in there
[17:12] <pksato> Hello, Someone can point me a direction: I have a issue with php-fpm(5.6/7.4) and mail() function. It not work, no error, no clue, php-cli works. packages from ondrej/php. tnx.
[17:12] <PTNapivoski> pksato, https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer
[17:13] <leftyfb> pksato: try #ubuntu-server, but also, you should be running an supported release of ubuntu, not shoe-horning modern versions of php onto a public web server
[17:31] <yrdsb> shouuld i use latest lts relese 20.04 or old relese like 10.10 16.10 16.04 etc
[17:31] <leftyfb> yrdsb: please stop
[17:32] <yrdsb> should i use 16.04 18.04 or 20.04 i am using 20.04 right now
[17:32] <Maik> yrdsb: mind stop trolling please? You know that EOL releases are not supported anymore
[17:32] <leftyfb> yrdsb: 16.04 i no longer supported. Use 20.04 and stop asking stupid questions
[17:33] <yrdsb> but 20.04 have yaru
[17:33] <yrdsb> and i hate yaru
[17:33] <Maik> yrdsb: then use another flavor in which you can change themes
[17:34] <yrdsb> libera.chat sucks
[17:34] <yrdsb> it bans people for no reason
[17:34] <Maik> yrdsb: stop it
[17:34] <yrdsb> it network bans people for no reason
[17:34] <leftyfb> yrdsb: I'm happy to spend the time tracking down the school you attend in Richmond Hill and reporting your antics
[17:34] <Maik> !ops yrdsb
[17:34] <yrdsb> what antics mean
[17:34] <Maik> !ops | yrdsb
[17:50] <genii> hm
[17:50] <yrdsb> hi
[17:50] <leftyfb> yrdsb: don't
[17:51] <yrdsb> how do i install gimp on ubuntu
[17:51] <yrdsb> is it a simple sudo command
[17:51] <leftyfb> yrdsb: just like every other package
[18:13] <andrew2> can i play dos games without an emulator on 64 bit linux
[18:14] <Ravage> no
[18:14] <andrew2> but why
[18:14] <andrew2> !info kubuntu
[18:14] <andrew2> !info dosbox
[18:15] <andrew2> why cant i run dos games without emulator on 64 bit oses
[18:16] <coconut> andrew2, because only an emulator can make a game from another platform compatible
[18:16] <Ravage> andrew2: you just missed yrdsb. sorry. he was an expert on that topic. maybe wait for him to return
[18:17] <Chunkyz> Ravage, same person. check the hostname/IP.
[18:17] <Ravage> .....
[18:17] <Ravage> no s*it
[18:17]  * Chunkyz shrugs
[18:23] <andrew2> when will 64 bit os
[18:23] <andrew2> support dos games without emulator
[18:27] <yrdsb> hi
[18:27] <luna_> hi
[18:27] <yrdsb> when will dos games work without emulator
[18:27] <yrdsb> on 64 bit oses
[18:27] <yrdsb> #weechat
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> you can stop trolling now yrdsb
[18:28] <andrew2> hi
[18:28] <luna_> hi
[18:29] <andrew2> !ops yrdsb is trolling
[18:29] <ice9> sometimes bluetooth mouse gets disconnected while using it then after few seconds it connect again and work normaly; why is this happening and how to keep it connecting all time?
[18:29] <yrdsb> tell me
[18:29] <yrdsb> when wil dos game work on 64 bit oses
[18:30] <el> andrew2: do you think we can't see accountnames?
[18:30] <andrew2> !ops|yrdsb is trolling
[18:30] <yrdsb> no
[18:30] <andrew2> 3
[18:30] <el> ok fine then
[18:31] <Maik> thanks el
[18:35] <maks> Hiho, is this help channel for ubuntu newcommers? I don't why my 20.04 ubuntu ask my for sudo password each time i log in and each ~30 min
[18:36] <Ravage> maks: https://itsfoss.com/change-sudo-password-timeout-ubuntu/
[18:40] <maks> That's not what i asked. I mean some startup programs need privilages but i cannot turn off them. That's not happned for my in other distributions
[18:43] <leftyfb> maks: which "startup program" needs privileges and you can't turn off?
[18:45] <maks> leftyfb: I have no idea, this is almost fresh installed ubuntu 20.04, one is update checker i guess
[18:46] <leftyfb> maks: "update checker"?  Do you mean the popup that tells you have packages that can be updated and when you click ok it's asking you for an administrative password because you obviously need those in order to install packages?
[18:47] <maks> i disabled all 3 in "starting programs" graphical selecter and also from some autostar folder in .conf
[18:47] <maks> i mean i turn on computer and it ask me for a password after system starttup
[18:47] <leftyfb> maks: ok, sounds like you know what you're doing and will modify things to do what you think you need done and you no longer need help here. Good luck
[18:47] <maks> twice
[18:48] <maks> i just want to start computer without any sudo priviligaes for startup, like i was running no-root account
[18:49] <leftyfb> maks: I have installed Ubuntu more times than there are people in this chat. 20.04 at least a few hundred times. Never has anything popped up and asked me for a password immediately after booting to my desktop
[18:52] <alkisg> maks, just upload a screenshot so that we can see which program you're talking about...
[18:53] <rm_rf> Hardstop on mindless redirects to other Ubuntu channels.
[18:53] <leftyfb> rm_rf: can we help you with something?
[18:53] <leftyfb> alkisg: they should probably undo whatever hacks they did to "starting programs" so as not to cause more issues
[18:54] <alkisg> E.g. when teachers reported something like that, I saw that they meant the keyring unlocking popup
[18:54] <rm_rf> Wait, what county is someone in where teachers or students interface with Linux?
[18:55] <leftyfb> alkisg: I know exactly what that is and that happens when someone breaks something like changing the user password using the CLI or something
[18:55] <leftyfb> !ot | rm_rf
[18:55] <rm_rf> In the U.S., Linux is only used for Raspberry Pi stuff, servers, IT departments etc
[18:55] <leftyfb> rm_rf: please stop
[18:55] <rm_rf> There that is
[18:55] <spambot> Tell him, not me
[18:55] <leftyfb> yeah, that helps your cause
[18:56] <spambot> I see.
[18:56] <spambot> I'll b leaving. Tootaloo
[18:58] <SpamBot> Sorry
[18:58] <SpamBot> Just ignore the nick changes. I'm working on something
[18:59] <krytarik> Could just leave the channel in the meantime though.
[18:59] <leftyfb> SpamBot: if you are going to be constantly changing nicks, please /part. Come back when you have settled on one you have registered
[18:59] <krytarik> leftyfb: I feel like you've been a bit too strict there btw.
[18:59] <SpamBot> Yeah, there's that ... but I won't do that unless there's threat of banishment because I'm tired of having to constantly modify my saved configs. I'm using Weechat which is sort of like VIM
[19:00] <SpamBot> I'm not in a GUI
[19:00] <SpamBot> K, I will part if it's that intense about this
[19:00] <SpamBot> fine
[19:00] <SpamBot> hold on
[19:01] <botspam> K, that might do the trick for now
[19:01] <botspam> I registered the nick to my group
[19:02] <botspam> Now I've marked myself as an essential worker as I spam bots and not humans.
[19:02] <botspam> I attack the bots that spam us
[19:02] <leftyfb> botspam: please stop
[19:03] <botspam> Am I going to get scolded if I stop but answer questions for people who need help?
[19:03] <leftyfb> botspam: if you want to chat, go to #ubuntu-offtopic. This is an Ubuntu support channel
[19:04] <botspam> I seriously don't get this. These are supposed to be informal community chats, right?
[19:04] <leftyfb> botspam: support
[19:04] <botspam> I will do this, sure. But this almost feels like you're using Jira or ServiceNow.
[19:04] <leftyfb> botspam: go to #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat
[19:04] <botspam> K, shit
[19:05] <Maik> !ops | botspam keeps trolling
[19:05] <krytarik> Maik: Please..
[19:05] <Maik> then deal with it earlier krytarik
[19:06] <krytarik> You don't have to be all that snappy either though.
[19:07] <leftyfb> krytarik: there's been a lot of trolling going on lately and we're not seeing a lot of response from the ops
[19:08] <Maik> exactly... but i'll leave it at that. It's support here after all
[19:11] <krytarik> leftyfb: I mean in that case I don't feel like a curious question about something another has mentioned is all that far off topic in itself yet - which here it pertained to the use of Linux on the desktop in the public sector.
[19:13] <leftyfb> krytarik: ah, see that's where we differ. I like to address trolls by their constant trolling and antics and not pick apart 1 particular instance and consider them a saint
[19:15] <krytarik> Well, you labeling people trolls and then only treat them by that label rather than by what they do, might be part of the issue here.
[19:15] <krytarik> Anyway, now *we* are starting to be off topic here.. >_>
[19:15] <leftyfb> krytarik: if you spend more time here, you get to know who the trolls are by what they do, not labels
[19:16] <Maik> let's take it over to #ubuntu-discuss or... #ubuntu-irc better
[19:17] <gnask> Ok, i screwed up big time , i need your help oh mighty Ubuntu gods. I am using Ubuntu 21.10 , well. I WAS using it.. i thought it would be fun to add some Kali wifisniff tool with katoolin to try it out. Seems that i added a but to much.. i did a apt upgrade and now my system tries to boot in to Kali instead of Ubuntu... am I screwed? I managed to
[19:18] <gnask> get in to a terminal after "oh no something has gone wrong" ... please save me..
[19:18] <leftyfb> gnask: reinstall ubuntu from scratch
[19:18] <leftyfb> there is no coming back from that
[19:18] <gnask> Crap. I had everything set up so neat :( silly me
[19:20] <jhutchins> gnask: You might want to look into backups, but mixing distributions is almos always a recipe for disaster.
[19:20] <gnask> Learned a lesson
[19:21] <leftyfb> gnask: I'm a big fan of using ansible to create a playbook that rebuilds my machine from scratch
[19:42] <frost-core> Does anybody know if there is a flavour of ubuntu with the extended, 2025 date?
[19:42] <frost-core> (focal fossa based of course)
[19:43] <leftyfb> frost-core: extended date?
[19:43] <frost-core> leftyfb : as i said, 2025
[19:44] <sarnold> can you use different words? :)
[19:44] <frost-core> also for bionic beaver
[19:44] <leftyfb> frost-core: date for what?
[19:44] <frost-core> sarnold : lts
[19:44] <frost-core> leftyfb : lts, focal fossa
[19:44] <leftyfb> frost-core: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:44] <frost-core> leftyfb : ubuntu flavour
[19:44] <leftyfb> ^ that is a list of all the most recent released and their EOL date
[19:45] <frost-core> leftyfb : for 18.04, which flavour does not have the short eol
[19:46] <frost-core> leftyfb: ive seen flavours, that shorten the eol
[19:47] <leftyfb> frost-core: you would maybe have to ask in each of the channels or google it. For instance, Kubuntu 20.04 looks like it's supported until 2023 from looking on google
[19:48] <frost-core> leftyfb : yeah, lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu mate and budgie too
[19:48] <guiverc> frost-core, flavors haven't shortened lives; ubuntu desktop/server extended life & flavors did not
[19:48] <leftyfb> guiverc: you mean "have"
[19:48] <frost-core> guiverc : also, is it recommended running bionic beaver?
[19:49] <frost-core> and, if i install bionic beaver server, THEN install kubuntu desktop for example, do i still keep my support?
[19:49] <leftyfb> frost-core: it's always recommended to upgrade when possible. I don't see why you would install a release from 4 years ago from scratch
[19:49] <leftyfb> frost-core: why would you install bionic?
[19:50] <frost-core> leftyfb : its kinda performant i think, also older means faster
[19:50] <leftyfb> frost-core: negative
[19:50] <guiverc> frost-core, only packages found in 'main' have 5 years; kubuntu-desktop comes from 'universe' which is EOL; you can verify using `ubuntu-support-status` on 18.04 (`ubuntu-security-status` on later releases)
[19:51] <leftyfb> frost-core: To say Ubuntu 18.04 is more "performant" than Ubuntu 20.04 is demonstratively false
[19:51] <guiverc> EOL maybe wrong term there ^; unsupported by Kubuntu team is more accurate; if a community member wants to upgrade/fix security issues it's still possible for 18.04; but teams have ended life of it
[19:52] <leftyfb> frost-core: also, there's little difference and no benefit installing ubuntu server and then a DE over just installing the desktop release
[19:52] <frost-core> there are benifits, no preinstalled apps
[19:53] <leftyfb> frost-core: depends on how you installed the DE
[19:55] <leftyfb> frost-core: it's probably a cleaner experience if you just install the desktop release and remove apps you don't think you need
[19:55] <leftyfb> frost-core: otherwise you might have to spend more time configuring and integrating things that would work out of the box with the whole DE installed properly
[20:00] <FixIt> Do VPNs work on Ubuntu?
[20:01] <leftyfb> FixIt: yes, I'm on one right now
[20:01] <FixIt> I see
[20:02] <FixIt> Hopefully there aren't any trolls on here.
[20:05] <krytarik> FixIt: LOL XD
[20:06] <FixIt> Yeah ...
[20:06] <FixIt> If it ain't broken, fix it. If it's fixed, fix it.
[20:06] <krytarik> I mean you've chosen to go by the nick "FixIt" to get Ubuntu support.. >_>
[20:07] <FixIt> What are you thinking about this?
[20:07] <FixIt> I think you're onto something hot.
[20:07] <krytarik> Now let's leave it at that please..
[20:08] <FixIt> Where are all the tickets?
[20:09] <krytarik> At bugs.launchpad.net
[20:11] <FixIt> K ... So how do I fix UTC issues with Ubuntu on a dual boot which causes conflicts between Win and Linux?
[20:11] <FixIt> System times conflict since one OS uses local and the other UTC. How do I sync them, what values etc?
[20:12] <FixIt> Also, is this room somehow linked to Canonical?
[20:13] <leftyfb> FixIt: install ntp on ubuntu to keep it at the proper time
[20:13] <krytarik> !time | FixIt: See the first link here
[20:13] <FixIt> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-time-synchronization-on-ubuntu-20-04
[20:14] <ogra> FixIt, timedatectl set-local-rtc 1 --adjust-system-clock
[20:15] <ogra> if you can not use NTP either set windows to use UTC or use the above command to tell linux to use RTC in local timezon
[20:15] <ogra> e
[20:15] <FixIt> Have do disable timesyncd and enable ntpd
[20:15] <FixIt> That's the answer
[20:15] <ogra> thats not an answer
[20:16] <ogra> but great that you found something that suits you ...
[20:16] <FixIt> Could of fooled me since it fixed my dual boot time conflict problems about three hours ago after several reboots and attempts.
[20:16] <ogra> so why did you ask about it if you fixed it already ?
[20:17] <ogra> typically people here ask questions to get help ... for general chat about ubuntu hacks/fixes/solutions better go to #ubuntu-discuss ...
[20:17] <FixIt> I see
[20:20] <timedatectl> Seems to be an issue with that channel, BTW
[20:20] <timedatectl> Gotta talk to one of the mods
[20:21] <sarnold> timedatectl: cmon, surely you've got something better to do
[20:22] <timedatectl> Meaning. Assuming you're one of said mods, the question seems more appropriate for yourself or demonstrate the issues your'e referring to?
[20:22] <timedatectl> *meaning?
[20:23] <sarnold> timedatectl: meaning that Maik and leftyfb being obnoxious to people who step slightly out of bounds is well known and discussed, and usually whoever they badger just leave ..
[20:23] <timedatectl> I DMd you
[20:23] <timedatectl> You can explain this to me discreetly since you guys are all about brass tacks and courtesy
[20:23] <timedatectl> I have to see this
[20:38] <Guest39> Hi Guys... I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a second drive for dual booting. But it shows a button "Install Now" after encryption options, without asking me to select where to install it. What gives?
[20:38] <famotidine> K, so first make sure you're on the right drive. Try lsblk
[20:39] <Guest39> I am afraid to "Install Now" since it doesn't show where it plans to install it. I don't want to overwrite my other drives.
[20:39] <famotidine> Identify the drives first by either lsblk or fdisk -l
[20:39] <leftyfb> Guest39: personally, I disconnect the other drive during the install just to be safe
[20:39] <sarnold> heh I'm a big fan of the 'disconnect other drives' approach :)
[20:41] <famotidine> Always the smartest thing. I always get paranoid myself and right now I've got three drives with three different OSes
[20:44] <Guest39> ok ima try that
[22:35] <jhutchins> Guest2310: I believe that during the course of the normal install it does show you what partitioning it's going to use, and it installs to /
[22:35] <jhutchins> It identifies the drive.
[23:23] <withershins> /list
[23:27] <Bashing-om> !alis