[00:22] <Guest1598> Hi, I am tryng to install xplane in xubuntu
[00:24] <Guest1598> but when I run  ldd Intaller_Linux, the terminal says:it is not a dynamic executable
[00:24] <Guest1598> can you help me? I think becuase it is an installer for 32bits distros
[01:11] <melodie> hi Guest1598 
[01:11] <melodie> Xubuntu and Ubuntu generally don't provide for 32bits anymore
[01:12] <melodie> where did you get your xplane from?
[01:12] <melodie> why do you run "ldd Installer_Linux" ? 
[01:13] <melodie> whatever
[01:55] <Guest1598> thanks for answer
[01:55] <Guest1598> I downloaded from https://ia804505.us.archive.org/13/items/x-plane-9/XPLANE9%20%28Disc%201%29.iso
[01:56] <Guest1598> I use ldd to know the required libraries!
[06:18] <pikapika> Is there any way to use a different icon image in whiskermenu when its in a depressed state (also preferably another icon for hover state)?
[06:19] <pikapika> Which is to say, I want to use an icon that appears depressed when its clicked etc
[06:59] <KBar> pikapika: yes, there is. all you have to do is create an icon and include it in gtk.css
[06:59] <KBar> pikapika: i did something like that: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=15374
[07:02] <pikapika> KBar, can you show me a small gif showing the whiskermenu hover and click thing
[07:02] <pikapika> as its working on your system. You can pm if you prefer
[07:02] <pikapika> What happens in the default whiskermenu is that the icon does not change only background colors are changed on hover and click
[07:03] <pikapika> I would like to make the icon itself change to a depressed look
[07:04] <KBar> yes, it's very much possible. i'll try taking two screenshots if you're okay waiting 
[07:04] <pikapika> https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=64946#p64946
[07:04] <pikapika> This one right?
[07:05] <KBar> pikapika: it has changed quite a lot since then. it doesn't show the glow on being pressed
[07:05] <KBar> i improved it.
[07:05] <pikapika> I'd like to see the screenshots/gif yes
[07:05] <pikapika> Did you just use full icons or does the system only permit adding another background icon behind the normal icon?
[07:05] <KBar> pikapika: this is its default state: https://imgur.com/1zalH7K.png
[07:06] <KBar> this is on hover: https://imgur.com/e07Ucki.png
[07:06] <pikapika> In that case, it will be some more work for me. But since in the design I want to make, depressed/normal state changes only occur at the border of the pixmap
[07:06] <pikapika> so it can work out
[07:06] <pikapika> KBar, so the arrow is the background image right?
[07:06] <KBar> pikapika: and this is on depressed: https://imgur.com/UH2TvBn.png
[07:07] <pikapika> The hover and depressed states also look like things that could be implemented purely as background icons
[07:07] <pikapika> Is that what you did?
[07:07] <pikapika> Or does whiskermenu allow you to change the icon wholesale on hover/press?
[07:07] <KBar> pikapika: the xubuntu logo is set inside Whiskermenu properties. The borders, colors and arrows I copied from Unity design and created separate png files with gimp
[07:07] <KBar> and used them inside css
[07:08] <KBar> button:hover, button:checked, etc
[07:08] <pikapika> KBar, so basically only the mouse icon is the real icon
[07:08] <pikapika> The rest are implemented as background images?
[07:08] <KBar> yes
[07:08] <pikapika> Can I see the png sources to confirm?
[07:11] <KBar> sure. hold on
[07:18] <KBar> pikapika: turns out, the latest version, i just use the stock arrows from unity and layer them on top
[07:19] <pikapika> This means I can implement win2k start menu easily
[07:19] <pikapika> but win 7 would be tough
[07:19] <pikapika> My goal was win2k style primarily so that should be ok
[07:20] <KBar> pikapika: here's an excerpt from my gtk.css: https://paste.debian.net/1232083/
[07:21] <KBar> pikapika: resources are here: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/tree/resources
[07:23] <pikapika> yeah so basically we can't replace the icon only add another background image to it
[07:24] <pikapika> should be possible to do for the win2k start menu then, by including the common region inside as the icon, and making the border the background image
[07:24] <KBar> pikapika: which icon do you mean? the whiskermenu icon?
[07:24] <KBar> you can replace it
[07:24] <KBar> and put anything you want
[07:24] <pikapika> KBar, we can't dynamically replace it
[07:24] <pikapika> so we will have to use the background image trick to create the depressed look
[07:25] <pikapika> for that the actual icon would be the common region between all icon states
[07:25] <KBar> well, you can modify the code and recompile
[07:25] <pikapika> and the background image the varying region
[07:25] <pikapika> Yeah, that is one possibility too
[07:25] <pikapika> I hope its not too complex
[07:25] <KBar> to make it change dynamically, but css is quite powerful and is all you need imo
[07:25] <KBar> there is also sass, which is a preprocessor to css, but i haven't looked into that route
[07:27] <KBar> pikapika: you can also add animations to transitions
[07:28] <pikapika> I don't need animations
[07:37] <pikapika> KBar, CSS is very subtle and difficult
[07:37] <pikapika> I'll see what I can do of course
[07:38] <KBar> pikapika: where do you find it difficult? Let's see if I can help you
[07:39] <pikapika> I'll ask when I actually get around to doing it thanks
[07:39] <pikapika> KBar, it just is very complex and hard to understand
[07:39] <KBar> no problem. xfce forums are a great source of information. there are two very good guides explaining GTK's css implementation
[07:40] <KBar> btw, its documentation is available at https://docs.gtk.org/gtk3/
[07:40] <pikapika> Thanks
[07:41] <KBar> yw. it basically boils down to 1) which element you want to select 2) which property you want to modify 3) what is that new value
[07:43] <KBar> 1) is done with selectors (eg, .toolbar or #XfcePanelWindow) 2) after that declarations are made inside braces and properties are in it: { background-color: or font-size: } 3) their new values are put after the colon eg background-color: white; font-size: 15px etc
[08:27] <pikapika> KBar, where did you learn CSS from?
[08:37] <KBar> pikapika: 1) Xfce Forum; 2) gtk.org 3) mdn (mozilla developers networks) 4) w3.org 5) installed themes
[08:37] <pikapika> Its a very complex topic for sure
[08:37] <KBar> its a lot more complex yes, but gtk's implementation is pretty straightforward and "dumbed down"
[08:38] <KBar> becomes easy once you get a hang of it. GtkInspector is the the tool that will help you tremendously
[08:38] <KBar> it is a necessity, i'd say
[08:40] <KBar> now, id say that it takes a lot more time to draw or edit images in gimp than it does for me to write a couple of rulesets in gtk.css
[08:43] <pikapika> KBar, do you know about 'antialiasing'?
[08:43] <pikapika> I would like to experiment with implementing antialiasing in my programs one of these days
[08:43] <KBar> pikapika: unfortunately, not enough to give you an opinion or a comprehensive answer
[08:44] <pikapika> Ok
[08:44] <KBar> such discussion wouldn't fit this channel anyway, im afraid
[08:44] <pikapika> Ok
[21:40] <chaslinux> Was refurbishing a machine with Xubuntu earlier and found an issue where VLC crashes when you insert an encrypted DVD (movie). Libdvd-pkg was installed and dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg was run to install libdvdcss2. I ran vlc from the terminal and noticed it seems to be related to the 256MB AMD-based onboard video for this particular HP desktop
[21:40] <chaslinux> (P7-1010): https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c02856262. To "solve" the problem I added a video card (which did resolve the issue). I would have submitted a bug report, but I haven't used my Ubuntu One account in ages (and the forgot password doesn't seem to like me - check spam, nothing). Not sure it's worth fixing, but since it's an OEM
[21:40] <chaslinux> machine with an older 4 core AMD processor it might be worth a stab at fixing).