[15:26] <BrianHechinger[m> Just decided to look into pipewire out of curiosity. No ffado support. 😭
[15:41] <tarrasque[m]> > Studio-controls is meant to replace cadence and if there are features you find missing you are welcome to  ask for those features on the studio-controls upstream site on github.
[15:41] <tarrasque[m]> Studio Controls was one of the defining factors in my tentative to switch to Ubuntu studio. Unfortunately, they do not work. Doesn't seem able to start Jack. I found no logs, no serious documentation about the tools. I also opened an Ask Ubuntu question with no answer till now.
[15:45] <Eickmeyer> tarrasque[m]: Studio Controls is an upstream project and not Ubuntu Studio exclusive. The person that asked you to post on the upstream site was the developer himself.
[15:46] <tarrasque[m]> Ok. Could you please explain to me what's an "upstream site" and how to post there?
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> tarrasque[m]: Go to https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/issues. It's pretty self-explanatory.
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> You've been given that link more than once.
[15:51] <tarrasque[m]> Really? It's the first time I use this Matrix chat app and i might have missed, but all I see in the visible history are referrals to this "upstream site", but no link.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> Ok, I guess that's true, but regardless, there's the link. :)
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> (I thought somebody linked it for you)
[15:57] <tarrasque[m]> Thank you
[16:19] <tarrasque[m]> I opened a ticket. Unfortunately I don't have much else to say except "it does nothing" because the tool does not show any popup message and I don't know where it logs if it does.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks will likely guide you through that.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> tarrasque[m]: You probably have email ;) but, the first thing to try with any software is to make sure you have the latest version.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> tarrasque[m]: Always include the version of the software you are using in a bug report so the developer knows if this is a bug that has already been fixed.
[18:12] <OvenWerks> tarrasque[m]: in ubuntustudio there is a small app called ubuntustudio-installer. Running that and selecting "Enable Backports PPA".
[18:14] <OvenWerks> tarrasque[m]: then do a standard software updates using Discover (you may have to click on the updates button in the lower left)
[18:21] <OvenWerks> tarrasque[m]: if you are already running studio-controls 2.3.0 then please set your logging level (in system tweaks) to extra, then restart jack. Then attach ~/.log/autojack.log and (if it exists) ~/.log/autojack.log.1 These two files can put in one zip file if you prefer.
[20:56] <tarrasque[m]> > tarrasque: Always include the version of the software you are using in a bug report so the developer knows if this is a bug that has already been fixed.
[20:56] <tarrasque[m]> you're right. I was writing from my work pc so I didn't ave that info at the time. Studio controls is version 2.2.8
[20:58] <tarrasque[m]> afret enabling backports it's updating it to 2.3.0
[20:59] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerks: so I've been looking into the whole FireWire pipewire thing. Looks like they aren't going to be using ffado? This could be bad for us. 😭
[21:53] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: the offcial line is that FW is supported in ALSA. I supose we could bug the ALSA guys with bug reports...
[21:55] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: however, there may be any number of other reasons to continue to use JACK as the sound server. So I will be looking into user defined pw-jack bridging. I suspect this is already possible but that the parameters used to start that module are less than well understood.
[22:13] <BrianHechinger[m> Yeah, unless we get the ALSA guys to fix all the firewire issues we don't have a choice but to stick with JACK. It's a real shame. PipeWire really does look nice.
[22:14] <BrianHechinger[m> The crappy part is from what I read the FFADO guys basically offered to do whatever it would take to get it working with PipeWire but the PW guys never responded. :(
[22:27] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: I think they don't want to support jack backends of any sort. Supporting one means requests to support all.
[22:30] <BrianHechinger[m> If the backends want to do the work I don't see the problem. I guess our best bet is to just harass the ALSA guys if we ever hope to be able to use PipeWire. Or switch to USB! (never)
[22:31] <OvenWerks> BrianHechinger[m: The solution, I think, is to learn how to set up jack as a device in PW.
[22:35] <BrianHechinger[m> That sounds a tad convoluted, no?