[00:00] <NeoFAT32> I would recommand Ubuntu if people need a headache.
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> Do you know how I can put myself into the root group ?
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> I've seen on Mint that I could add myself in some group, such root, or guest.
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> So I would have permanent root access.
[00:01] <sarnold> that's not what root group means
[00:01] <NeoFAT32> oh.
[00:02] <NeoFAT32> But does it means that I have root access ?
[00:02] <NeoFAT32> XD
[00:03] <NeoFAT32> I remember 2 years ago, I was using Ubuntu too and I had to use the terminal to access protected folders.
[00:03] <NeoFAT32> And to passby the gray functions by the interface.
[00:05] <NeoFAT32> I should probably reinstall mint to not kill myself.
[00:05] <NeoFAT32> I installed Ubuntu because it says Mint was build on Ubuntu/Debian sys.
[00:05] <NeoFAT32> So I thought Ubuntu would be more... "based".
[00:06] <NeoFAT32> But now, I'm thinking the Ubuntu that I'm using, has a noob commercial interface for kids.
[00:06] <NeoFAT32> XD
[00:06] <NeoFAT32> I'm just talking about the interface.
[00:07] <BSaboia> What is the `take` command for? I can see it's some kind of shorthand for `mkdir`
[00:08] <Maik> !discuss | NeoFAT32
[00:08] <MonoL> Is there a new LTS out?
[00:08] <Maik> MonoL: not yet
[00:08] <sarnold> MonoL: no, look for it around the end of april
[00:08] <enigma9o7[m]> Nah, thats an april thing.
[00:09] <MonoL> ah ok cool
[00:09] <Maik> April 21st
[00:10] <MonoL> dose 21.10 have neofetch included?
[00:10] <NeoFAT32> Ok
[00:10] <Maik> MonoL: no
[00:11] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes, neofetch is still in ubuntu 21.10
[00:11] <Maik> Ubuntu doesn't ship neofetch by default but it's installable
[00:11] <MonoL> is there some similar thing included shiped?
[00:12] <Maik> no
[00:12] <Maik> if you want neofetch simply open a terminal and type: sudo apt install neofetch
[00:13] <MonoL> Is there some way i can get a quick system rundown from the live environment?
[00:14] <MonoL> Might not have access to the net at the time
[00:15] <MonoL> is htop included?
[00:16] <sarnold> MonoL: htop is packaged, and even default installed in ubuntu server, budgie, mate, and lubuntu
[00:16] <sarnold> MonoL: it's just an apt install htop away :)
[00:17] <MonoL> yeah but I might not be connected tomorrow when I'll need it
[00:17] <MonoL> gotta go rescue a machine tomorrow night
[00:18] <sarnold> ahhhhh
[00:18] <sarnold> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libncursesw6 (>= 6), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
[00:19] <MonoL> The user doesn't know the difference between ram and a hard drive
[00:20] <MonoL> they said their ram is 98% full
[00:21] <sarnold> heh
[00:21] <MonoL> I'd put money on it that it's a 256 ssd that's full
[00:45] <control> hello. im trying to install ubuntu 20.04 server on my p50 laptop. after installation it says dhcp connecting, and no boot filename received. how can i solve this? thanks
[00:45] <control> pxe-e53
[00:48] <Ravage> MonoL: "free -m" shows free memory. "df -h" free disk space. top should be available too
[00:50] <Ravage> control: check your bios boot options. your laptop tries to boot from the network. make sure your HDD is set as a boot device
[00:52] <MonoL> Ravage: Nice, thanks! Do you know will I have to mount the drive/drives first if I'm running live from the usb?
[00:53] <Ravage> yes. but that should be possible in nautilus
[00:53] <MonoL> ok cool
[00:55] <control> ive tried to chhange boot option to boot ssd. but still, it says intel boot agent, initializing and establishing link
[00:56] <sarnold> control: heh, sounds like your laptop is trying to PXE boot
[00:56] <control> yes
[00:56] <control> how can i solve this problem?
[00:59] <MonoL> Can you turn the PXE off in the bios?
[01:00] <sarnold> control: here's a random website with a screenshot that is probably roughly the right vintage https://it.engr.ncsu.edu/help/kb/enabling-pxe-boot-for-lenovo-thinkpad/
[01:00] <sarnold> control: double check your menu there to see if you're set to PXE boot ..
[01:46] <n-iCe> is ubuntu using more resources than win 11?
[01:48] <control> quit
[01:57] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: If you are concerned with resourse usage - there are the ubuntu flavours that are lighter :D
[01:58] <n-iCe> I'm not, my hardware can with it, just wondering if it is me or ubuntu is asking more hardware than win 11 these days
[01:59] <Ravage> if it runs win11 it also runs Ubuntu
[02:01] <n-iCe> old days ubuntu was less resourcer eater
[02:01] <n-iCe> resources
[02:03] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Users clamour for more and ubuntu developers oblidge :D
[02:04] <sarnold> back when I started, you needed 16M ram to really run X11. anything less was just silly.
[02:05] <n-iCe> Bashing-om you use ubuntu?
[02:05] <n-iCe> sarnold yeah
[02:08] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Well - I have (u)buntu installed onto a test bed on this system - my daily is a roll-my-own with xfce for the GUI. Old old hardware and xfce is much faster than Gnome.
[02:12] <n-iCe> Bashing-om so, xubuntu?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: A lot is of xubuntu - but I do not run the xubuntu desktop. A kernel install - pick and choose what I want installed.
[02:16] <n-iCe> got it
[02:41] <sumd3wd> I'm having some errors with Steam's pressure-vessel-wrap saying Permission denied & Operation not permitted for SteamLinuxRuntime_soldier/var/tmp-*
[02:43] <sumd3wd> https://pastebin.com/BFYMMcqa
[02:45] <sarnold> heh that was quick
[02:46] <sarnold> sumd3wd: try namei -l /share/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_soldier/var/tmp-22YZI1
[02:48] <sumd3wd> sarnold: I went to the /var/ directory and the error shown is the wrong tmp directory name than is there, and every steam boot it changes...
[02:49] <sarnold> sumd3wd: steam was kind enough to give you an exact error message and an exact path :) it's worth using that informatoin to troubleshoot the issue
[02:49] <sumd3wd> sarnold okay so that created the directory it seems
[02:50] <sarnold> namei -l doesn't create directories :) it gives you output like ls -l but for every path component..
[02:51] <sumd3wd> sarnold: well I was using steam beta then I downgraded to steam regular maybe that is why there are 2 directories now in the Runtimes /var/
[02:52] <sumd3wd> sarnold: omg /share is owned by root could that be the issue?
[02:52] <sarnold> sumd3wd: I don't know, I've never seen a /share directory before, so I don't know what is expected of it
[02:53] <sumd3wd> sarnold: I moved the libraries to a folder outside the home directories for multi-user usage.
[02:57] <Ravage> i dont think steam supports that
[02:58] <sumd3wd> Ravage: its called a steam library
[02:58] <Ravage> i know what it is called
[02:59] <sumd3wd> sarnold: the tmp- are replicating :(
[02:59] <Ravage> but steam expects to have ownership of the files
[02:59] <Ravage> and to be able to set its own permissions
[02:59] <sumd3wd> Ravage: yeah its all user:group it won't accept the library unless the permissions are clear
[03:00] <leftyfb> isn't this SteamOS? Or from what I can tell, "pressure-vessel-wrap" which is Steam running in some sort of custom container?
[03:01] <sumd3wd> leftyfb: No its ubuntu, I think its some sort of chroot for the steam libraries
[03:03] <sumd3wd> The only thing I could find on the web about this error was an incident last year concerning Nix-OS and bubblewrap library
[03:05] <leftyfb> right, pressure-vessel-wrap is some sort of custom container(probably namespaced)
[03:06] <leftyfb> sumd3wd: I would recommend asking in https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/?settings=wnuYl5a8fLp#steam
[03:07] <sumd3wd> leftyfb: thx I will check there in a bit, just trying to gather more info
[03:21] <n-iCe> Done, Installed Ubuntu, just bought the laptop hehe.
[03:21] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: \o/
[03:22] <n-iCe> Bashing-om:  thanks
[03:23] <n-iCe> Bashing-om:  https://ibb.co/RjkgnZ9
[03:23] <NeoFAT32> !!
[03:24] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Welcome to ubuntu :D
[03:29] <sumd3wd> Is it possible to have the same app installed under flatpak?
[03:49] <sumd3wd> flatpak: please confirm your network Me: LOL???
[04:04] <n-iCe> back
[04:36] <funhouse> im trying to remember how to extract a file from gzip without removing original .gz file
[04:37] <Eickmeyer> funhouse: tar xvf {filename}, won't remove the file.
[04:37] <funhouse> Elckmeyer hmm for gzip?
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> Is it a tar.gz?
[04:38] <funhouse> just a compressed csv file
[04:38] <jhutchins> Eickmeyer: Different tool.
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> Ah. nvm
[04:38] <funhouse> Eickmeyer ty regardless
[04:45] <jhutchins> funhouse: It's a switch for gunzip, it's in the man page.
[05:35] <n-iCe> hi
[05:35] <kostkon_> n-iCe hello
[06:53] <vishal50> Hello there can anybody help me
[07:00] <alkisg> !ask
[07:02] <vishal50> I am trying ¨sudo apt-get build-dep vlc && apt-get --build source vlc¨ but it is showing unmet dependencies. And could not resolve the problem.
[07:02] <vishal50> Please help me out.
[07:03] <vishal50> I am trying to build the vlc from its source code it needs many libraries and dependencies.
[07:21] <zamba> i have a cloud instance that's behaving terribly..
[07:21] <zamba> load is currently at 66
[07:21] <zamba> running commands like for instance 'w' takes a couple of minutes to terminate
[07:22] <zamba> i/o wait is around 30 %
[07:22] <zamba> i have 230GB of RAM.. 50G is used.. 173G buff/cache..
[07:23] <zamba> 16 vCPUs.. top says 0.4 us.. 0.1 sys.. 56 idle and currently around 40 % io wait
[07:23] <zamba> 'htop' took 3 minutes to start
[07:23] <zamba> so what's going on here?
[07:27] <menthasys> good morning I am on ubuntu mate and after reinstalling Alsa audio, I get an error to a system program and it asks me to report it. The report I do not think it starts and there is no button to see what the problem is
[07:32] <eruditehermit> hey, is there a good tool to set up extra mouse buttons in gnome? I know about piper but that only works for logitech and steelseries mice. What about other mice?
[07:38] <webchat47> how i can fix these fontconfig warnings and errors in discord? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/XhmTwjBC5Z/
[07:39] <webchat47> i have Ubuntu 20.04.4
[08:13] <mncheck> can apt-get command line add to a package's priority beyond raising to 990 with -t ?
[08:15] <mncheck> like some -o option
[08:40] <hwdyki> how can i reboot an ubuntu machine with kexec?
[08:42] <mncheck> does ubuntu have suites like debian's testing that dynamically change what codenames they refer to?
[08:46] <Ravage> mncheck: the codename is devel
[08:56] <mncheck> Ravage, thanks, I set that in sources.list as suite and it worked. I see no other suites like that in dists
[09:18] <mncheck> is there a list of available ubuntu pockets?
[09:19] <mncheck> like proposed
[09:20] <mncheck> or do you go through all source packages
[09:27] <mncheck> are pockets supplementary or can they be used alone?
[09:46] <mncheck> why devel doens't have pockets
[09:46] <mncheck> sorry I misread
[10:37] <Ermine> Hello, I'm trying to run VM in virt-manager with virgl enabled, but I get black screen. In journal, I see AppArmor denying libvirt access to /proc/21199/comm
[10:38] <Ermine> 21199 is pid of qemu-system-x86_64
[10:55] <mncheck> I tried to pin devel with Package: * Pin: release a=devel Pin-Priority: 1 but it's not working, why?
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | mncheck can this help?
[11:02] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, I used that too, if you don't mean apt-get source-ing or dpkg hold-ing then no
[11:03] <mncheck> lotuspsychje, you can try putting "devel main restricted" in your sources.list instead of "focal main restricted" for example, and unless you are already on jammy, you will see my problem if you try the pins
[11:03] <mncheck> don't forget to remove that line after the experiment
[11:03] <mncheck> or restore it
[11:25] <Ermine> I disabled apparmor, but still get black screen
[11:28] <KBar> Turn your screen on.
[11:51] <oops> what's the ppa name in  " https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian stable/main all Packages
[11:51] <oops>      release o=proton-gitlab,n=stable,c=main,b=all
[11:51] <oops>      origin repo.protonvpn.com
[11:51] <oops> "
[11:54] <hwdyki> i'm trying to reboot using kexec --load /boot/vmlinuz --initrd=/boot/initrd.img --reuse-cmdline; systemctl kexec; but it still goes thru the BIOS POST.
[11:56] <KBar> oops: https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/
[11:57] <KBar> oops: Ubuntu-specific guide: https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-ubuntu-vpn-setup/
[12:05] <oops> KBar: i cant' open the link you offered, i only hope to remove that protonvpn repository from my pc , and i used "apt policy |grep protonvpn" to get protonvpn info like this "500 https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian stable/main all Packages
[12:05] <oops>      origin repo.protonvpn.com
[12:05] <oops>  "
[12:06] <oops> but i don't know what's the exactly ppa name
[12:10] <oerheks> oops, such PPA ends up in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:10] <oerheks>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder
[12:12] <oerheks> if that PPA does not work, it is because the HTTPS header, install apt-transport-https
[12:51] <Ermine> KBar: Turn your screen on. <--- is this joke?
[12:57] <goddard> is launchpad down or something?
[12:59] <webchat47>    no launchpad is online. why you ask?
[12:59] <goddard>  Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu
[12:59] <goddard> can't upgrade
[13:00] <webchat47> what version do you have?
[13:01] <webchat47> its only for bionic, focal and impish
[13:05] <webchat47> (18.04 LTS, 20.04 LTS and 21.10)
[13:07] <webchat47> but it exist other directories in dists, hmm
[13:08] <goddard> im on 21.10
[13:11] <webchat47> check the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ backports file of the ppa
[13:12] <oerheks> goddard, just try again?
[13:13] <webchat47> contains it 'deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu impish main'?
[13:18] <goddard> oerheks: tried a few times already and no luck yet
[13:19] <goddard> i don't have some strange setup just normal install kde-standard
[13:19] <oerheks> it should work. pastebin the output of sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade ??
[13:34] <goddard> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y5QcK7gdnm/
[13:38] <oerheks> oh it partially worked.
[13:38] <oerheks> try with --fix-missing?
[13:39] <alkisg> Check your internet settings; if ipv6 fails, switch to ipv4; you should be able to download http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemsettings/systemsettings_5.24.3-0ubuntu1%7eubuntu21.10%7eppa1_amd64.deb  before you go on
[13:39] <alkisg> In your output, it says you can't access it, but I can, i.e. the server is OK....
[13:39] <alkisg> Don't partially install programs, it might break things
[13:42] <NeoFAT32> Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.
[13:43] <NeoFAT32> IntPtr CallWindowProc(IntPtr, IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
[13:43] <NeoFAT32> ???
[13:43] <NeoFAT32> Running an app through wine.
[13:44] <goddard> disabling ipv6 solved it
[13:44] <oerheks> NeoFAT32, is it an ubuntu issue, wine issue or that app?
[13:44] <goddard> thanks
[13:44] <oerheks>   
[13:45] <NeoFAT32> oerheks: I think it's because the .exe is trying to access to a memory path that doesn't exist.
[13:45] <NeoFAT32>  
[13:45] <oerheks> or should have no access too.. that is good
[13:46] <NeoFAT32> yeah but how it can be good if it's crashing...?
[13:47] <NeoFAT32> I don't understand these useless security parameters.
[13:48] <NeoFAT32> "Hi, I'm using Linux, I have to install random/pkg everytime I'm working on Linux but hey hey, I need to prevent wine to access to my files but at least, it can access to my downloads folder on Ubuntu, yeah the windows downloads folder is a shortcut to my ubuntu download folder
[13:48] <NeoFAT32> Yay !
[13:48] <NeoFAT32> Linux's logic ? Work to work harder. Yes.
[13:49] <oerheks> Newe don't deal with wine and windows app issues
[13:49] <oerheks> so, rant away, seek help in #winehq
[13:50] <oerheks> !wine
[13:50] <NeoFAT32> Thanks.
[13:52] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: perhaps if Linux isn't to your taste you should try this new Windows thing
[13:53] <NeoFAT32> Perhaps if you have nothing interesting to say or useful thing just find something else to do.
[13:53] <NeoFAT32> I don't need to be here, to read that.
[13:53] <NeoFAT32> I'm not even here to have this kind of suggestion.
[13:53] <gordonjcp> okay, well, maybe stop whining
[13:53] <gordonjcp> actually describe the problem you're having
[13:54] <NeoFAT32> Dude, it's ok, I'm just going to find help somewhere else.
[13:54] <gordonjcp> although oerheks has already pointed out, #winehq is the best place to ask
[13:54] <NeoFAT32> [00:50:11] <NeoFAT32> Thanks.
[13:55] <NeoFAT32> Thanks you. I needed you to work as a log.
[13:55] <gordonjcp> Wine's a bit of an "it either works or it doesn't" thing though
[13:55] <NeoFAT32> If every logs worked like you, damn, we wouldn't have much problems to solve.
[13:56] <gordonjcp> it'll work straight out of the gate, or there will be some fundamental part not implemented that stops you dead
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> Yeah it's ok, I think it's just sad to say something such well Linux is not Ubuntu, when Microsoft itself, make the pleasure to allow people to run linux os on a native vm such hyper-v.
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> Well, it's ok, it's probably because they have the money.
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> See you later.
[13:56] <NeoFAT32> Linux is not windows*
[13:57] <gordonjcp> well hyperv is just virtualisation
[13:57] <gordonjcp> you could probably run damn near any OS on it, even the ones you haven't heard of
[13:58] <NeoFAT32> Yeah, excuse-me where's the native vm client on ubuntu ?
[13:58] <NeoFAT32> Or damn, it's true, I have to find it by myself.
[13:58] <oerheks> kvm
[13:58] <oerheks> NeoFAT32, stop the silly rant please
[13:58] <NeoFAT32> Ok.
[13:59] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: when my son was 9 months old I needed to feed him myself with a spoon.  Now he's 18 months old, he can feed himself with a spoon.  He doesn't need a grown-up to do it.
[13:59] <gordonjcp> no-one's going to spoon-feed you this stuff.  You're a grown-up.  Learn to read.
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> Yup but well, you know, you should see some topic on these forums. Well, at least they are not considerate as tutorial.
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> But if you want to talk about how to grow up.
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> We can surely talk about xorg. tutorial ?
[14:00] <NeoFAT32> It's an interesting topic there.
[14:00] <gordonjcp> we could, if we travelled back ten years in time
[14:01] <NeoFAT32> Using the same color to explain comment and command ?
[14:01] <NeoFAT32> Oh.. damn, we're in 2022 should work in white and black.
[14:01] <gordonjcp> everyone uses Wayland now
[14:01] <NeoFAT32> Ok bye.
[14:01] <gordonjcp> and before that, xorg pretty much didn't need any external config unless you were doing something deeply weird
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> Oh such using dual gpu ?
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> Oh yeah, yeah.
[14:02] <oerheks> Then /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/  was invented :-D
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> I don't know why I'm still talking.
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> oooh a file that i cannot find ! :D
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> what are you going to say ? that i didn't install xorg ?
[14:02] <NeoFAT32> Damn bruh.
[14:03] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: no, using things like Firewire-connected video processors for outputting half a dozen HDMI feeds and stuff
[14:03] <oerheks> there is no standard xorg.conf anymore, it is created virtually on boot and dumped when shutdown
[14:03] <oerheks> for years now
[14:04] <gordonjcp> exactly
[14:04] <NeoFAT32> Ok, I didn't use linux for years.
[14:04] <gordonjcp> probe for stuff that makes sense
[14:04]  * gordonjcp has used it for about 27 years
[14:04] <oerheks> that is why /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/  folder exists, to add your special needs
[14:04] <Marmotte> when I'm not satisfied by an OS/program/whatever, I stop using it instead of blaming it endlessly :)
[14:04] <gordonjcp> I'm old enough to remember compiling bits of X11R6 because modelines weren't a thing yet
[14:04] <NeoFAT32> But well, it seems like you all guys, like to act like you were all Bill Gates, it was the same on Spotchat, people showing their useless knowledge to people that need help to install a single thing.
[14:05] <NeoFAT32> Damn guys, you should drink a bit or damn, wait, just forget about it, don't drink.
[14:05] <oerheks> you are a breeze for our volunteers, keep it up
[14:05] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: maybe you shouldn't, if that's the standard of your discourse
[14:07] <NeoFAT32> I'm sorry but it's the same, you know for example, "#Ubuntu" what's the kind of subjects that we can talk in this kind of channel with such a name ?
[14:07] <NeoFAT32> Oh... everything about Ubuntu, am I wrong ?
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> Ok so what's the real difference between talking about Mint ? Oh yeah, it's not Ubuntu. It's just a random OS running with Debian/Ubuntu build.
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> Oh but wait, what Ubuntu is made of ?
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> Oh no... we cannot talk about linux.
[14:08] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: do you have a car?
[14:08] <NeoFAT32> vroom vroom.
[14:09] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: say you have a Honda Civic, and you take the engine out and fit one from a Ford Transit instead, and then you have some problems so you take it to the Honda garage
[14:09] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: what do you think the garage will say?
[14:10] <gordonjcp> "Sure, it started life as a Honda so we'll fix it" or "Please take that pile of heterogenous scrap off my forecourt"
[14:11] <NeoFAT32> Oh ok, I should buy some stock Linux hardwares.
[14:11] <n-iCe> hello
[14:11] <NeoFAT32> Maybe how about a real question. Why Linux is trying to use hardwares used by Microsoft ?
[14:11] <NeoFAT32> Jeez.
[14:12] <gordonjcp> not quite sure what you're asking there?
[14:12] <NeoFAT32> If I'm asking drivers ? Oh yeah, I am.
[14:12] <Ravage> He is just bad at being a troll :)
[14:12] <NeoFAT32> Yeah, and you're just bad to recognize a troll.
[14:12] <gordonjcp> NeoFAT32: maybe you could rephrase your question so it makes a bit more sense
[14:12] <NeoFAT32> But you should see that with you bpu.
[14:13] <NeoFAT32> Brain Processor Unit ?
[14:13] <NeoFAT32> Ok ok. Here : Thanks you for your comments, I have to go. Bye !
[14:13] <gordonjcp> what a strange person
[14:14] <gordonjcp> I wonder what they wanted?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:14] <Ravage> gordonjcp: attention
[14:15] <gordonjcp> Ravage: probably
[14:15] <gordonjcp> BluesKaj: hi
[14:16] <BluesKaj> hi gordonjcp
[14:24] <paulg_> I was just wondering if anyone had noticed that kernel 5.13.0.35 no longer boots under Paralles on M1 macs. The -30 kernel does boot. -35 is important as it contains fixes for dirtypipe and spectre-bhb
[18:27] <jhutchins> Is that really 4 hours of dead air?
[18:29] <alkisg> Meh and you just broke it :D
[18:37] <Voidwarper> does the new ubuntu use pipewire?
[18:37] <Voidwarper> is there a plan to switch to it like fedore did
[18:40] <Maik> Voidwarper: afaik pipewire was already included in 21.10
[18:41] <Voidwarper> Maik: oh is it the default?
[18:41] <Maik> not sure
[18:41] <Voidwarper> also is the wayland gnome the default still or did ubuntu switch back to x11 gnome?
[18:41] <Maik> Ubuntu uses wayland as default since 20.10
[18:42] <Maik> and it has been ever since
[18:47] <diezel> Evening all, just got myself an old Dell T7600 with dual Xeon CPU's and 128Gb of RAM. Trying to put Ubuntu on it but after selecting the UEFI boot I get an error MoklistRT out of resources
[18:47] <diezel> The system is so old it does not have Secure Boot at all, so that's not the case
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> diezel: you got a picture or logs you can share with us?
[18:48] <diezel> Read some select grub64.efi to boot with from the UEFI prompt, but I get non
[18:49] <diezel> lotuspsychje: It's before the boot media even loads, so wont even show the boot menu
[18:49] <diezel> I can try to get a picture but it shuts down real fast after showing the error
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> diezel: wich ubuntu iso are you trying?
[18:50] <alkisg> It could maybe possibly mean that shim has compatibility issues with your your UEFI firmware; you can install grub-efi without shim though
[18:50] <alkisg> Shim == mod, grub == the actual loader
[18:50] <alkisg> *mok
[18:51] <diezel> Just as a test put the iso on a Ventoy media as well and ventoy boots but as soon as I move to ubuntu it stops at the same error. It's the 20.04 Desktop media I'm using
[18:51] <alkisg> Boot from the live cd and remove shim without removing grub-efi
[18:52] <alkisg> (lotuspsychje, matrix has issues joining, it keeps prompting without success.... :/)
[18:52] <Ravage> or if you dont actually need EFI turn it off in BIOS and do a good old MBR/BIOS installation :)
[18:52] <diezel> alkisg: it wont boot the installation media at all
[18:52] <diezel> Ravage: yea, I think that might be the way to go here
[18:52] <alkisg> diezel: didn't you say that ventoy boots?
[18:52] <diezel> Ventoy does
[18:53] <alkisg> Can you load ubuntu.iso with ventoy?
[18:53] <diezel> alkisg: fails just as from the usb stick with only ubuntu
[18:53] <diezel> MoklistRT out of resources
[18:53] <alkisg> Write the ubuntu.iso inside ventoy then and boot
[18:53] <alkisg> You just need a live cd to remove shim
[18:55] <diezel> alkisg: ok, I need to find some info on that. The shim, is it on the ubuntu iso? So I need to modify that? I can go find this on google now as well as you pointed me to a possible fix :)
[18:56] <alkisg> diezel: if you prefer to install in bios mode, that could be easier, as Ravage said,
[18:56] <alkisg> otherwise, you'd just write ubuntu.iso inside ventoy, boot with it, then you'd chroot to /dev/sda2 or whatever your partition is, and purge the shim package
[18:56] <alkisg> with apt purge shim-signed
[19:05] <jhutchins> !info pipewire
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> its installed on 22.04 here too
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> pipewire:
[19:05] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 0.3.48-1ubuntu1
[19:07] <diezel> alkisg: this is pre-install. So there is only a empty drive in the system. No operating system yet. I'll try the legacy boot and see if that works
[19:08] <diezel> yeah, legacy startx so I guess that's the shortcut here
[19:08] <alkisg> 👍️
[19:09] <alkisg> If I understood correctly, you could also just copy ubuntu.iso inside your ventoy stick...
[19:09] <diezel> no, just ventoy, as soon as I select the ubuntu.iso it fails just like the ubuntu only media. Sorry if I was unclear
[19:10] <alkisg> Ah OK then, yeah go for legacy, easier
[19:11] <alkisg> There are other ways too, e.g. my liveusb stick https://github.com/alkisg/liveusb, but probably not worth the fuss
[19:13] <c_89> Hi, what is the IRC channel where can I talk about javascript?
[19:13] <diezel> Since there is no hurry to get this running, I can at least give it a shot
[19:14] <sarnold> c_89: try #javascript
[19:14] <tomreyn> diezel: i haven't followed the full vconversation, but did you try this (first hit (for me) on a web search for your error message): https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029889/ubuntu-18-04-uefi-boot-fails-moklistrt-out-of-resources
[19:19] <diezel> tomreyn: That could do the trick as well. So that's just pre-creating a boot menu option in bios to point to the usb device. Will at least try it out just to see the outcome
[19:21] <tomreyn> right, this seems to have worked for others with the same error message.
[19:36] <MonoL> Start up disk creator won't let me pick the image I want :(
[19:37] <leftyfb> MonoL: what is the image you want?
[19:37] <MonoL> Was gonna put puppy on a usb
[19:37] <MonoL> dose it only work with ubuntu?
[19:38] <leftyfb> MonoL: what is the file name?
[19:39] <MonoL> fossapup64-9.5.iso
[19:39] <leftyfb> I'm not sure
[19:39] <MonoL> yeah idk either
[19:39] <MonoL> seems strange
[19:39] <leftyfb> MonoL: try etcher.io
[19:39] <MonoL> ok
[19:40] <MonoL> cant find it
[19:41] <MonoL> no snap or apt
[19:41] <leftyfb> MonoL: http://etcher.io
[19:42] <Maik> MonoL: startup disk creator only can make use of buntu based and, iirc, debian based isos
[19:43] <MonoL> ok so no puppy?
[19:43] <Maik> guess not
[19:43] <Maik> you can use Disks and the Restore Image feature, no third party app needed
[19:43] <MonoL> Seems to be fine writing an android x86 iso
[19:44] <NeoFAT32> Maik !!!
[19:45] <Maik> MonoL: so far i only succeeded to flash buntu and debian isos to usb sticks with the creator
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> ventoy is cool
[19:45] <Maik> Disks too
[19:47] <MonoL> Ok etcher is doing it's thing
[19:47] <MonoL> looks nice
[19:48] <MonoL> validating
[19:48] <leftyfb> MonoL: we don't need the play-by-play. At this point, any further support with your puppy linux distro should be directed at puppy linux
[19:49] <MonoL> Noted
[19:51] <MonoL> Thanks guys
[20:14] <estan> hi folks. just installed ubuntu server 20.04.4 LTS and noticed that multiverse was enabled by default after installation. why is that enabled by default?
[20:19] <oerheks> estan, not sure what packages are needed, multiverse gives Software restricted by copyright or legal issues.
[20:21] <estan> yes, i know. i'm just surprised that it's enabled by default. i can't remember getting any choice about it during installation.
[20:22] <estan> (and i did not make any particular choices about sw to install during installation, so i would be surprised if it installed something from multiverse)
[20:23] <oerheks> i doubt seeing multiverse enabled, standard..
[20:24] <oerheks> ubuntu-restricted-extras enables it, afaik
[20:24] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:33] <estan> hm, okay. maybe i missed something during installation where i could have made a choice, but i definitely didn't check anything conciously, and it was enabled after install.
[20:33] <blahboybaz> I've got a problem emrging a couple times before this and again today - when doing an update...
[20:33] <blahboybaz> $ uname -v
[20:33] <blahboybaz> #33~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 7 14:25:10 UTC 2022
[20:33] <blahboybaz> I'm getting a dialogue telling me the update cannot procede because there isn't enough space in /boot. Using autoremove worked the two times this happend before but today there is nothing to autoremove.
[20:33] <blahboybaz> What are some options on how to solve this?
[20:34] <oerheks> this is why ubuntu installs in one partition. standard.
[20:34] <estan> grep multiverse /var/log/installer/installer-journal.txt | head -1 shows "Mar 08 16:32:37 ubuntu-server subiquity_log.3712[4894]: Get:15 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/multiverse amd64 Packages [144 kB]"
[20:35] <blahboybaz> oerheks: iirc I installed using all default settings but that was a long time ago and not the type of thing I would rememver (unless I had done something custom then I might recall doing something like that)
[20:35] <blahboybaz> At any rate its something I need to solve
[20:36] <Niekdo> i accidentally ran sudo rm /* couple weeks ago, thank god i have root and home in separate partitons
[20:37] <sarnold> blahboybaz: the usual approach is to apt purge some of the older linux-* packages ; try ls -l /boot ; then dpkg -S ... on the linux kernels, and remove some of the older ones -- ideally ones you're not currently running
[20:37] <oerheks> pastebin the output of 'df -h' # this would show what is used
[20:37] <oerheks> sarnold, +1
[20:37] <blahboybaz> Niekdo: I did that over a decade ago once (ubuntu 16.04 era) and lost everthing. I had only been using ubu a few mos at that time and someone suggested I do that as a soln to a question I had posted on the forum. Never again! I learned my lesson
[20:38] <blahboybaz> sarnold: I will look into that thanks
[20:39] <blahboybaz> Is there a longer term soln - considering that maybe this is a progressive problem?
[20:39] <ioria> blahboybaz, if you paste 'df -h', we can take a look
[20:40] <blahboybaz> ok I'll look
[20:40] <blahboybaz> Maybe I can increase the size of /boot  if lvm is being used?
[20:40] <blahboybaz> idk
[20:40] <blahboybaz> I'll see about df
[20:42] <blahboybaz> $ df -h  -->  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRggGsFsrN/
[20:43] <oerheks> so you have lvm indeed
[20:43] <blahboybaz> $ ls -al /boot  -->  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8yg7Hky5QD/
[20:43] <blahboybaz> if it helps
[20:44] <blahboybaz> oerheks: can't one just grow the volume size or something like that?
[20:51] <blahboybaz> How do you tell what can be safely removed or not?
[20:54] <sarnold> blahboybaz: you compare version numbers in the files against uname -a output
[20:54] <sarnold> blahboybaz: it's best to keep the one you're running, and the newest one
[20:55] <blahboybaz> sarnold: ok...  And about increasing the vol size of /boot ?  Is that a very good idea? Would it even help?
[20:56] <sarnold> blahboybaz: it probably would, but I know very little about lvm
[20:56] <blahboybaz> sarnold: ok... ty
[20:59] <blahboybaz> Is it advisable to also remove the System.map, config, and initrd.img  with the corresponding version numbers?
[21:02] <sarnold> blahboybaz: purging the right packages will do that stuff for you
[21:02] <sarnold> blahboybaz: if you *remove* those files, purging the packages will get way harder
[21:03] <sarnold> blahboybaz: once in a while apt will get very unhappy when /boot fills up, and the best way out of that mess is to *truncate* those files, so you can still do filesystem operations in there, and dpkg will then purge packages
[21:03] <blahboybaz> sarnold: Are you getting at the difference between remove and purge or is there some package name I need to identify?
[21:04] <sarnold> blahboybaz: that's what the dpkg -S commands are for
[21:04] <sarnold> ± dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-77-generic
[21:04] <sarnold> linux-image-5.4.0-77-generic: /boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-77-generic
[21:04] <blahboybaz> So dpkg -S on the kernel name and it will tell me the package name to use?
[21:04] <sarnold> yeah
[21:05] <blahboybaz> oh
[21:05] <blahboybaz> so which of the example is what you would actually use in your apt command?
[21:05] <sarnold> apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-77-generic
[21:06] <blahboybaz> I see
[21:06] <blahboybaz> ty
[21:10] <blahboybaz> Isn't there a setting for how many old kernels to keep? I thought that was supposed to only keep the kernel I'm running and one older or something
[21:15] <sarnold> blahboybaz: there's a vastly complicated script that never quite works right, yeah
[21:16] <sarnold> blahboybaz: newer releases have a simplified script that will hopefully save fewer kernels and make fewer mistakes
[21:16] <blahboybaz> sarnold: right on
[21:17] <blahboybaz> I guess that worked (purging stuff).. It kinda screwed up on one of the two I was trying to remove but there's more space now so.. idk
[21:17] <sarnold> hopefully an apt install -f  will take it the rest of the way from here
[21:29] <blahboybaz> oerheks: Looks like that worked. I appreciate the guideance
[22:50] <glestrade> hi, I'm trying to find out why there was a loopback device mounted on my linux
[22:50] <glestrade> it seemed to have some wine stuff associated with it... could it have had to do with notepad++?
[22:52] <sarnold> check mount output to see what it is; you can use lsof or fuser to see what processes are using it
[22:52] <glestrade> well I unmounted it since
[22:53] <glestrade> let's see if I launch notepad++ again...
[22:55] <glestrade> relaunching didn't make the loopback device show...
[22:55] <glestrade> could it have been malicious?
[22:56] <sarnold> sure, but that's pretty unlikely
[22:56] <jhutchins> glestrade: What does the loopback device contain?
[22:57] <glestrade> sarnold: I agree it's unlikely, but maybe I'll never be sure now that I unmounted it. It was just there one morning...
[22:58] <glestrade> jhutchins: I remember there being some snap packages, including wine like I said... most looked familiar tbh
[22:58] <glestrade> no executables
[23:00] <glestrade> let's turn it into a generic question, when would processes create loopback devices
[23:00] <oerheks> loopback devices, probable snaps
[23:01] <glestrade> assuming it's just the normal functioning of some program
[23:01] <oerheks> but i am sure you read that in that loopback device name description
[23:01] <glestrade> i can't be sure of anything at this point
[23:02] <glestrade> lol
[23:05] <glestrade> well, top doesn't show anything crazy, I'm probably worried about nothing
[23:05] <jhutchins> You can't be sure of anything with snaps or flatpaks.
[23:32] <shadow_master_> hi. when I close a program, I see that the program still consumes memory, and then UI will block.
[23:32] <shadow_master_> this state will remain for about 15 minutes and finally, the memory comes free. even though my system is weak, I don't have this issue with windows. is there any solution?
[23:33] <jailbreak> shadow_master_: you *could try* sudo killall *name*
[23:33] <cmhobbs> i've got ubuntu 20.04 installed on a macbook pro (via https://github.com/marcosfad/mbp-ubuntu).  if i install xubuntu-desktop via apt, how likely is it to break my install?  i'd like to use xfce but things are generally working so i'm reticent to try to make changes like that if it'll foul things up
[23:38] <oerheks> cmhobbs, adding a desktop should be no issue, removing one is interesting
[23:38] <oerheks> i would do a fresh xubuntu install, no clutter from gnome
[23:42] <cmhobbs> well sure
[23:42] <cmhobbs> that's just more effort than i can undertake at the moment
[23:42] <cmhobbs> thanks for the info
[23:43] <cmhobbs> i don't need to remove gnome necessarily, i just want to use xfce
[23:45] <jailbreak> cmhobbs: then just apt install xubuntu-desktop, solved. :-)
[23:46] <bm> https://imgur.com/8lgneio - any workaround, guys? ;)
[23:46] <bm> On desktop you can just press the context menu keyboard key, but laptops have no such feature.
[23:47] <oerheks> ehm you click on 0 bytes files?
[23:47] <oerheks> good luck with that
[23:48] <sarnold> bm: can you click to the left of the file icons?
[23:48] <bm> sarnold: it does nothing, doesn't open the menu :)
[23:48] <sarnold> bm: lol
[23:48] <bm> oerheks: $ touch {1..99}
[23:49] <sarnold> bm: well, I'm glad my intuition about it doing something *different* wasn't entirely wrong, but that's not useful at all...
[23:49] <alpha7025[m]> I thought it was a 2 finger click or a long press or something
[23:50] <sarnold> bm: okay.. how about right-clicking on the 'name' header at the top?
[23:50] <bm> sarnold: it opens a menu where you can select which columns to show ;)
[23:51] <dobbicorp> is there an alternative to ssh's -b param but for ssh-copy-id ?
[23:51] <bm> sarnold: also tried: clicking the scroll bar (does nothing), breadcrumbs (opens something else)
[23:51] <dobbicorp> i need to pass origin ip to ssh-copy-id
[23:53] <sarnold> bm: you could poke around https://extensions.gnome.org/# and see if someone's made an extension to fix this.. the extensions there can have wildly different qualities, so don't go adding a bunch all at once
[23:54] <bm> I love that this system hasn't been upgraded for like 2 years now. Today I installed a new one on a different machine, updated it, thought "well, it MUST have been fixed by now, somebody must have noticed and added something trivial like a margin below the last row". Nope, still there :)))
[23:54] <dobbicorp> Usage: /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id [-h|-?|-f|-n] [-i [identity_file]] [-p port] [[-o <ssh -o options>] ...]
[23:55] <dobbicorp> how do i pass -o params?
[23:55] <dobbicorp> i need to pass binding_address
[23:56] <cmhobbs> thanks, folks
[23:59] <bm> Also another genius bug is graying out the "Always on top" option in window context menu when the window is maximized. I love how somebody actually put effort into that :)))))