[00:48] <Kingsquee> https://paste.uguu.se/?43bd5d5f937e931c#96p4VFsJd1ziYkTyRR2pCbF4EL1awJecwhoz9YVm5w3o
[00:48] <Kingsquee> does anyone know how to fix this?
[00:49] <Kingsquee> tons of " libglib2.0-0:i386 depends on libc6 (>= 2.28); however:   Package libc6:i386 is not configured yet."
[01:00] <tomreyn> Kingsquee: which ubuntu release is this, which kernel version?
[01:00] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds && cat /proc/version
[01:01] <Kingsquee> tomreyn: https://paste.uguu.se/?ba52e5a06b5a4b5a#42M2tiMtLJuvvxaSje14E3WvYHom2PqxUNYp3ZVH7KB3
[01:02] <Kingsquee> seems to be happening a lot https://www.mail-archive.com/desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg794240.html
[01:03] <Kingsquee> looks like a similar problem years ago: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2257141
[01:04] <tomreyn> Kingsquee: bug 1962780 is marked invalid. it is a report by a linux mint user, seconded by a pop os! user. and you use kde neon. none of those are ubuntu.
[01:04] <Kingsquee> tomreyn: they're all ubuntu based distros
[01:05] <tomreyn> Kingsquee: yes, and that "based" is where it's beyond the scope of this channel
[01:05] <Kingsquee> and considering it's package management affecting all of them, the problem seems upstream
[01:07] <tomreyn> this is an assumption, or guess, at best.
[01:07] <tomreyn> Please do file a bug if this happens on Ubuntu.
[01:08] <Kingsquee> and I'm glad that's where you folks come in
[01:09] <tomreyn> until then, please seek support from kde neon support channels, or something like #linux
[01:11] <Kingsquee> feel free to pm
[02:01] <sybariten> hey hey, i'm using glances which is a process monitor. I am having strange (?) issues of it exiting spontaneously, if i do cursor down. Is this normal perhaps?
[02:01] <sybariten> its like a curses app... i think... so i expected to be able to scroll a cursor over different processes , when i press cursors. and then be able to kill them
[02:03] <pycurious> Anyone here using logitech mx master 3 on ubuntu? For some reason my machine wont see the mouse.
[02:03] <pycurious> https://danishshakeel.me/configure-logitech-mx-master-3-on-linux-logiops/
[02:10] <Maximalist> my vpn keeps disconnecting and only reconnects when I disconnect from the internet and reconnect. Do I need to install network drivers of some sort to fix this?
[02:18] <Kingsquee> HAHA, it worked
[02:18] <Kingsquee> for the more pragmatically minded here, this worked: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1285751/dpkg-error-processing-package-libglib2-0-0i386
[02:19] <Kingsquee> better luck next time, tom
[03:17] <sarahzrf> Hi
[03:17] <sarahzrf> I need help un-hosing my ubuntu VPS
[03:18] <sarahzrf> i had left it un-upgraded for a very long time—it was on bionic—and i tried to do-release-upgrade and got some python errors in the middle saying like KeyError: "The cache has no package named 'ubuntu-minimal'"
[03:18] <sarahzrf> i googled and found this, and like an idiot i did the thing suggested in the first answer without really thinking it thru https://superuser.com/questions/1400979/do-release-upgrade-fails-with-keyerror-the-cache-has-no-package-named-ubuntu
[03:20] <sarahzrf> this resulted in having a ton of new packages to install; after some upgrading, i tried to do-release-upgrade again, which failed, demanding "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading."—i think the previous half-complete do-release-upgrade may have finished changing the repo listings so that it was trying to install focal packages now, but it was refusing to get
[03:20] <sarahzrf> everything up to date
[03:20] <sarahzrf> i tried using apt dist-upgrade to coax it into installing the held back packages, but that just made it start removing random stuff
[03:20] <sarahzrf> now i seem to be stuck in half-upgraded limbo with a bunch of packages removed
[03:20] <sarahzrf> anyone have advice??
[03:29] <jhutchins> sarahzrf: Did you back it up before the upgrade?
[03:31] <sarahzrf> n-no
[03:31] <sarahzrf> i maybe stupid
[03:32] <jhutchins> sarahzrf: Not as long as you learn.
[03:32] <jhutchins> sarahzrf: Honestly, NOBODY does a backup before they upgrade.  The best I've done is upgrade half of a cluster at a time, make sure it worked before I did the other half.
[03:33] <jhutchins> sarahzrf: Do you have packages from PPAs installed?
[03:36] <sarahzrf> i think i might
[03:41] <leftyfb> sarahzrf: can you ssh to it now?
[03:48] <leftyfb> sarahzrf: If you do, I would highly suggest using scp or rsync to backup all of your files and configs. If there's databases, dump them and rsync those as well. Then rebuild from scratch and restore from backup. That will be the quickest, easiest and cleanest solution. That isn't to say your situation is unrecoverable, it might be. But in my opinion, isn't worth the time and effort.
[04:08] <sarahzrf> >_<
[04:08] <sarahzrf> i was considering just setting up a new vps, but then i realized how much configuration i'd need to do and decided i didnt want to...
[04:09] <sarahzrf> i do have ssh access, but i have no idea whether it'll boot again if i shut it off
[04:09] <sarahzrf> so i can only consider it a bit of a time bom
[04:09] <sarahzrf> *bomb
[04:09] <Whisky`> how much config is there?
[04:24] <leftyfb> sarahzrf: maybe spend some time creating an ansible playbook to rebuild it for when you need to do this again
[06:33] <dirtcastle_> is there a way to merge 2 logical partitions
[06:34] <dirtcastle_> one is root and another is home
[06:34] <dirtcastle_> root has run out of space and I cant login right now
[06:36] <wez> dirtcastle_: ummmm, just allocate more space to root
[06:36] <wez> lvextend
[06:38] <dirtcastle_> i have made partitions for entire sda
[06:38] <dirtcastle_> wez: will this cause problems
[06:38] <dirtcastle_> for them
[06:41] <wez> dirtcastle_: lvreduce to make a lv smaller, then lvextend?
[06:41] <Bashing-om> dirtcastle_: In the recovery menu is the "clean" option that trys to make free space. Worth a shot before having to mount and manually see what you can remove from '/' .
[06:41] <wez> dirtcastle_: There's probably something in /var/log you can remove too
[06:45] <dirtcastle_> I've run sudo rm -rf /var/log/
[06:45] <dirtcastle_> ok fixed the issue
[06:45] <wez> :S
[06:45] <dirtcastle_> i need increase the space before this happens again
[06:46] <wez> there are some files in there you probably want to keep, I meant truncate the files, not delete them entirely.l
[06:46] <wez> dirtcastle_: Do it!  lvextend or find out where the space was being eaten up and mount that into it's own filesystem
[06:46] <dirtcastle_> lol will this cause problems. My system is new. haven't done much with it
[06:47] <wez> Generally you want to mount /tmp, /var and /home somewhere else.
[06:47] <wez> yeah, you need a /var/log directory :)
[06:47] <wez> also depending on what services you gave installed you may need sub-directories with correct permissiojns set
[06:47] <wez> gave = have
[06:47] <dirtcastle_> will that delete the contents or the Directories themselves?
[06:48] <wez> rm -fr will
[06:49] <wez> mounting over the top won't delete what is already there, you will need to move it over to a new FS, then mount over the top
[06:49] <dirtcastle_> will doing mkdir the Directories be enough?
[06:50] <wez> depends what services you have installed
[06:51] <wez> nginx and apache will probably complain when you start htem up next if you don't recreate the directories and set the appropriate permissions
[06:51] <dirtcastle_> I've installed a window Manager, browser and urxvt. other than that it's new
[06:51] <dirtcastle_> i don't run servers . it's my laptop .
[06:52] <wez> OK
[06:54] <dirtcastle_> for now I've created the /var/log/ directory. i didn't create partition for /tmp or /var (manually) during installation. only root and home. and now I need to increase root size
[06:55] <wez> dirtcastle_: Either that or mount the directories to a new FS if they are likely to grow
[06:59] <dirtcastle_> can I mount the root to home?
[06:59] <dirtcastle_> home has 80gb. It will take a while to fill up
[07:00] <dirtcastle_> i think
[07:02] <wez> dirtcastle_: ummm, why do you want to do that?
[07:02] <wez> dirtcastle_: just extend root :)
[07:02] <wez> or create a new LV for the stuff that takes up room
[07:06] <dirtcastle_> idk how to extend. can u help wez . I'll send fdisk and parted output. tell me wat command to run. I tried running some everything failed
[07:06] <wez> dirtcastle_: How much space did you allocate to the volume group?
[07:07] <dirtcastle_> 100gb
[07:07] <dirtcastle_> it's an extended partition
[07:08] <dirtcastle_> fdisk -l : https://paste.rs/uvh
[07:09] <dirtcastle_> parted print : https://paste.rs/52R
[07:09] <wez> Which one is your volume group?
[07:10] <wez> Or are you using partitions only?
[07:10] <dirtcastle_> oh wait. i forgot. there is no extended partition.
[07:10] <dirtcastle_> everything is primary only
[07:11] <dirtcastle_> I messed up the partition table and when I restored ,I made it into primary partition
[07:12] <BASHitup> If you mess up the partition table, yhou should still be able to recover data. The partition simply sets the boundaries for where the files are stored - it doesn't delete them.
[07:14] <dirtcastle_> yes I recovered the table. but sda2 and sda3 were logical partitions in an extended partition before I messed up. when I restored I made them primary partition
[07:16] <BASHitup> dirtcastle_ It sounds like you'll have to reinstall
[07:17] <mohsengreen> hi
[07:25] <EriC^^> dirtcastle_: what's the problem?
[07:26] <dirtcastle_> BASHitup: :(
[07:26] <dirtcastle_> EriC^^: i need to increase root partition size
[07:27] <EriC^^> dirtcastle_: making them primary instead of logical has no consequence at all to it booting/mounting
[07:27] <BASHitup> Hey - it happens. I ran a command that was just super idiodic to run. Then I tried to recover with my clone. My clone was done wrong. So I had to reinstall then copy from the clone. In my case, I use luks FDE ... So everything is naturally more difficult over the encryption
[07:27] <EriC^^> dirtcastle_: ok, pastebin 'sudo parted -ls' output
[07:28] <dirtcastle_> EriC^^: so is it ok to resize? what cmd/software Will I need
[07:28] <EriC^^> yeah, no issues, share the pastebin, gparted can do it from a live usb
[07:29] <dirtcastle_> EriC^^: this is parted  print output. if this is not enuf I'll get u that also https://paste.rs/52R
[07:31] <EriC^^> dirtcastle_: you intend to make root-ubuntu bigger?
[07:32] <dirtcastle_> yes exactly
[07:34] <EriC^^> dirtcastle_: you'll need the space from somewhere else, so boot up a live usb, run gparted, then resize another fs and 'move' it to the right/end side of the disk and other partitions too, til you have unallocated space after root-ubuntu, then resize/expand it
[07:36] <dirtcastle_> nice. how can i send partitions to other end of the disk EriC^^
[07:37] <EriC^^> dirtcastle_: right click -> move
[07:37] <EriC^^> or something like dragging them maybe, never really used gparted alot
[07:38] <EriC^^> it's pretty intuitive though
[07:38] <dirtcastle_> my ubuntu works fine. i can use gparted without live usb and all
[07:39] <EriC^^> you cant resize mounted fs though
[07:39] <dirtcastle_> ohh. do i need to make a bootable usb with gparted in it or ubuntu?
[07:40] <EriC^^> also for sure you'll want to backup any important info, as you never know if it might go wrong with resizing
[07:40] <dirtcastle_> ubuntu iso*
[07:40] <EriC^^> just ubuntu iso should do be fine
[07:40] <dirtcastle_> ok
[07:41] <dirtcastle_> this will actually solve lots of my problems
[08:06] <jil> hello
[08:17] <Hash> Hi
[08:18] <Hash> I had everything working, all these years, and tonight I try to start a vm in vbox and it says version mismatch
[08:18] <Hash> suplibOsInit what: 3 VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED (-1908) - The support driver is not installed. On linux, open returned ENOENT.
[08:20] <Whisky`> Hash: reinstall vbox, the kernel dkms and/or the extentions
[08:21] <Whisky`> the modules likely didnt compile/install correctly. space issue?
[08:22] <Hash> Checking
[08:22] <Hash> DKMS: uninstall completed.
[08:22] <Hash> Deleting module version: 6.1.32
[08:22] <Hash> ok, all gone. I went to their page, had the repo added latest made srue it's good
[08:22] <Hash> they say to grab the .deb, did that too
[08:23] <Whisky`> and what does apt install show? all goes well?
[08:23] <Whisky`> did it compile the modules for your current kernel or one you recently installed but havent booted into?
[08:24] <Hash> DKMS: install completed.
[08:24] <Hash> No dice.
[08:24] <jil> UWF question.   I'm trying to limit youtube with ufw.  I found that youtube uses range of IP adresses such as 199.223.232.0 to 199.223.239.255.  If I'm correct this is equivalent to 199.223.232.0/11 but applying, $sudo ufw deny from 199.223.232.0/11 will result in a adress "normalisation" to 199.192.0.0/11.  Why is that ?
[08:25] <Hash> yeah, apt install modules and builds them and everyuthig
[08:25] <Hash> han gon
[08:25] <Whisky`> did you modprobe them
[08:25] <Hash> https://bpa.st/GETA log
[08:25] <Hash> never had to do anything manually ever.
[08:25] <Hash> So no, I did not modprobe them.
[08:26] <Whisky`> why are the modules 5.4
[08:26] <Whisky`> neverm ind my brain is fried tonight
[08:27] <Whisky`> yes modprobe them in and it should fix it
[08:28] <Whisky`> im going to stop looking at my 5.16.0 kernel, that fixed my bluetooth issue that 5.4 caused
[08:28] <Hash> Installed the latest from their .deb package instad of repo
[08:28] <Hash> dpkg -i
[08:28] <Hash> That worked. Now windos10 booted
[08:28] <Whisky`> ikky
[08:28] <Whisky`> =-)
[08:29] <Hash> https://bpa.st/W5HA
[08:29] <Hash> virtualbox-6.1_6.1.32-149290_Ubuntu_eoan_amd64.deb they gave me this as it's one package for 20/21 versions
[08:29] <Whisky`> mmm
[08:30] <Hash> Anyway
[08:30] <Hash> The main problem I wanted to boot windows was to fix some mising mesh nonsnese with morrowind
[08:30] <Hash> I start openmw in ubuntu and  Iget lots of missing mesh errors in game
[08:30] <Hash> Anyway, on to that now
[08:51] <ph88> hey guys, i just installed Lubuntu 22.04 daily image fresh. Installation went fine. On first boot i see this https://imgur.com/a/B8NrJdW  what to do ?
[09:09] <gry> ph88, does it say anything else afterwards?
[09:09] <ph88> no it hangs there
[09:12] <gry> ph88, i am not an expert in this, but i suspect you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-next , as this is not a normal release yet
[09:17] <ph88> ok
[09:30] <jil> I was confused about the meaning of / at the end of a network adress, it is clear now. thanks to wasamasa from  #emacs.
[10:10] <ovfldpth> Hello Everyone
[10:15] <moa5505> Hello !
[10:15] <moa5505> Anyone here ?
[10:15] <ovfldpth> Hi moa
[10:15] <moa5505> Hi !
[10:16] <moa5505> I have a problem, maybe someone in here will have an idea on what to do.
[10:16] <moa5505> In short I'm trying to execute 3 commands at startup, the problem is that these 3 commands need to be executed as sudo, so the "official" startup utility doesn't work
[10:17] <moa5505> So I created a routine on systemctl
[10:18] <moa5505> Something like :
[10:18] <moa5505> #!/bin/bash
[10:18] <moa5505> #
[10:18] <moa5505> # /usr/bin/autostart.sh: Local multi-user startup script.
[10:18] <moa5505> sudo command1
[10:18] <moa5505> sudo command2
[10:22] <ovfldpth> I thing you can refer to this answer at stackoverflow https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/646116
[10:46] <moa5505> omg
[10:46] <moa5505> why is linux/ubuntu so complicated
[10:46] <moa5505> I just want to execute 3 commands at startup
[10:47] <moa5505> On windows I just go on the startup menu, add those 3 commands, they execute at startup and everyone is happy
[10:48] <moa5505> On linux I tried to add them to the autostart menu on the LXQt session settings, but they need to be executed as sudo so they don't work
[10:48] <moa5505> So I create a service on systemctl, but only one over 3 work correctly
[10:48] <moa5505> Why is everything so complicated on linux ????
[10:49] <moa5505> Each single setting takes litteraly hours to apply because everything is so intricated
[10:49] <moa5505> Why make everything so complicated ?
[10:50] <moa5505> Is it like an entry barrier ? Like Linux want to filter non tech savy users ?
[10:50] <moa5505> I really don't understand it
[10:50] <cbreak> it's not really complicated
[10:50] <moa5505> Sorry but it really is
[10:50] <cbreak> the problem is just that you don't understand it, because it's different from what you're used to
[10:50] <moa5505> No it's not that
[10:51] <cbreak> starting something at startup is trivial. There are GUI entries for that in both Gnome and KDE
[10:51] <moa5505> On windows I use ctrl+alt+del, I have the autostart menu and I can add/remove commands. The end.
[10:51] <cbreak> that's similar to what windows has
[10:51] <cbreak> just less weird
[10:51] <cbreak> no need to remember strange keyboard shortcuts
[10:51] <moa5505> On linux I tried the official tool but it doesn't work, I tried systemctl but it doesn't work
[10:52] <cbreak> systemctl is for starting things via systemd
[10:52] <cbreak> that's a good option if you want to start services, or something else that's independent from a login session
[10:52] <moa5505> I don't have a choice, session settings autostart doesn't execute things as root
[10:52] <cbreak> but that's not something a normal user will need a lot
[10:52] <cbreak> of course it doesn't
[10:52] <cbreak> why would it run things as root?
[10:52] <cbreak> windows isn't dumb enough to do that either
[10:52] <moa5505> Because I need to use an executable as root
[10:53] <moa5505> I don't care about the reasons
[10:53] <cbreak> what for? Is it a service that should run permanently?
[10:53] <moa5505> I cannot do it
[10:53] <cbreak> or something that should run on login?
[10:53] <moa5505> Remove middle-click from my touchpad, limit CPU TDP, apply undervolt
[10:53] <moa5505> the two last need root access
[10:54] <moa5505> And why wouldn't it run things as root ???
[10:54] <cbreak> 1. make a script for that. 2. Make a systemd unit for the script. 3. use systemctl to start it as root.
[10:54] <cbreak> moa5505: because it'd be dumb
[10:54] <moa5505> Already did those
[10:54] <cbreak> login sessions are for users
[10:54] <moa5505> still doesn't work
[10:54] <cbreak> users can control their startup applications
[10:55] <moa5505> Well my startup applications don't work
[10:55] <cbreak> letting users start stuff as root would be a major security issue
[10:55] <moa5505> So it's broken, as simple as that
[10:55] <cbreak> you shouldn't break things then :P
[10:55] <moa5505> No it just doesn't work
[10:55] <cbreak> it's plain obvious that starting software via systemd works
[10:56] <cbreak> otherwise you couldn't boot
[10:56] <moa5505> systemctl services doesn't work as well
[10:56] <cbreak> systemd is what starts everything on your system
[10:56] <moa5505> who cares
[10:56] <moa5505> It doesn't do what I want
[10:56] <moa5505> it doesn't work
[10:56] <cbreak> of course not. It only does what you tell it to do.
[10:56] <cbreak> and that is probably not what you want.
[10:57] <cbreak> software is like that. It doesn't matter what you want. all that matters is what it is told.
[10:57] <ns12> Hello, will the next LTS version of Ubuntu (i.e. Ubuntu 22.04) support root on ZFS?
[10:57] <moa5505> #!/bin/bash
[10:57] <moa5505> #
[10:57] <moa5505> # /usr/bin/autostart.sh: Local multi-user startup script.
[10:57] <moa5505> xinput set-button-map "ELAN1301:00 04F3:3115 Touchpad"  1 1 3 4 5 6 7
[10:57] <cbreak> ns12: it already does
[10:57] <moa5505> It just doesn't work
[10:57] <ns12> cbreak: It appears to be "experimental" in Ubuntu 20.04.
[10:57] <moa5505> Why is everything so broken on linnux
[10:58] <moa5505> Why everything is a pain in the ass to do ?
[10:58] <cbreak> ns12: yeah. Can't say if it will be less experimental, but it works already :) at least with 21.10 quite well actually
[10:58] <ns12> moa5505: Lay your eyes on the cute Linux penguin, and every fault will be forgotten.
[10:59] <ns12> cbreak: Is it still "experimental" in 22.04?
[10:59] <cbreak> don't know.
[11:00] <moa5505> Yeah, but looking at the cute pinguin won't give me my time back
[11:00] <ns12> Isn't 22.04 more or less frozen by now? It will be released in April.
[11:00] <moa5505> "Linux is free, if your time is worthless"
[11:01] <ns12> moa5505: You could always defect from Tux-land to Beastie-land, Apple-land, or Windows-land.
[11:02] <moa5505> Windows-land sucks more and more
[11:02] <ns12> cbreak: I guess I will wait until April 21 to find out.
[11:02] <moa5505> But macOS did everything right (except the user/consumer restrictive policies)
[11:02] <moa5505> If Linux stopped making everything so user unfriendly, they could have a chance
[11:03] <moa5505> That's why even ChromeOS won more market share in 2 years than linux in 25
[11:03] <mixfix41> your leaving a ton out
[11:04] <cbreak> moa5505: I tried hackintoshing for a few years
[11:04] <cbreak> it worked quite well, but I think the time for that is over.
[11:04] <mixfix41> mac users are users of their hardware. so thats the biggest appeal. and if you are familiar it could treat a person nice (app developers)
[11:04] <cbreak> with the shift to ARM, apple pretty much made all hackintoshes stuck in the past
[11:04] <moa5505> If my autostart menu actually worked and executed the commands I told him to execute I wouldn't have any problem
[11:04] <moa5505> But no
[11:05] <mixfix41> keep practicing. mac intentionally will break an install process after upgrades. ive experience
[11:05] <moa5505> On linux world, this would be too easy. So I have to create new services using command lines and manage 1000 other problems
[11:06] <cbreak> you only need to do that if you want to run code with elevated privileges, and / or independent from a login session
[11:06] <moa5505> And even doing that, it doesn't work at the end
[11:06] <cbreak> as I said above: starting software at login is trivial
[11:06] <moa5505> I don't care
[11:06] <moa5505> I want to run something at start up
[11:06] <moa5505> why do I have to use the command line for that ?
[11:06] <cbreak> because it's unusual.
[11:06] <mixfix41> obviously you need to learn how to and its simple actually simpler than any other os
[11:06] <moa5505> Why the "official" way doesn't work ?
[11:06] <cbreak> it does work.
[11:07] <cbreak> services are the way for startup daemons
[11:07] <cbreak> it's the same on Mac OS
[11:07] <cbreak> there you'd create a launchd script of course, instead of a systemd script
[11:07] <moa5505> it's unusual to disable the middle click on the touchpad ?
[11:07] <cbreak> and on windows it's also the same. There you'd create a system service entry in the registry, somehow.
[11:07] <moa5505> It's unusual to run a simple executable on startup ?
[11:07] <ns12> Is there a comprehensive Ubuntu manual similar to the Debian reference, Debian handbook, and FreeBSD handbooks?
[11:07] <moa5505> No
[11:07] <mixfix41> their prerequisites and you are right linux does take time but its not pessimistic time spent ill put my money on it
[11:08] <moa5505> On windows I tell it to run something at startup, and it runs something at startup
[11:08] <cbreak> no.
[11:08] <moa5505> No matter the shit I throw him
[11:08] <moa5505> Yes.
[11:08] <cbreak> it starts it at login. As your user.
[11:08] <moa5505> I did it hundreds of times
[11:08] <moa5505> I don't care
[11:08] <cbreak> it won't affect other users, obviously.
[11:08] <moa5505> It starts and works
[11:08] <moa5505> I don't care about anything else
[11:08] <moa5505> I want something that works
[11:09] <cbreak> just like on linux.
[11:09] <moa5505> Nope
[11:09] <cbreak> if you make it start something automatically, it will start it.
[11:09] <cbreak> as your user.
[11:09] <cbreak> when you log in.
[11:09] <cbreak> easy.
[11:09] <moa5505> Well it doesn't
[11:09] <cbreak> I've done that dozens of times.
[11:09] <moa5505> Well i've been trying for the last 5 hours
[11:09] <cbreak> doesn't seem like it.
[11:09] <cbreak> all you do seem to do is spout complaints and nonsense here
[11:09] <moa5505> This should not take more than 2 minutes
[11:10] <cbreak> you've not tried to solve the problem a single time.
[11:10] <moa5505> Open startup menu, paste script, click okay
[11:10] <moa5505> "Just werks"
[11:10] <moa5505> lol
[11:10] <moa5505> So you know better than I what I did ?
[11:10] <cbreak> yes.
[11:10] <cbreak> I've seen what you did here after all.
[11:10] <cbreak> complain.
[11:10] <moa5505> lol
[11:10] <wez> Just press the any key
[11:10] <cbreak> not asking questions. not giving evidence. not describing symptoms.
[11:10] <wez> Then order a tab
[11:10] <moa5505> So you ignore the hours I tried to solve this problem before
[11:11] <mixfix41> the rant looks bad cause there is so much engineering involve that you are trying to pass as doesnt exist
[11:11] <moa5505> Okay give me a minute, I'll explain clearly what I want to do
[11:11] <cbreak> it's plain obvious that what you claim is nonsense.
[11:11] <moa5505> lol
[11:11] <cbreak> because automatically starting things via systemd is at the foundation of the ubuntu startup process
[11:11] <cbreak> if it wouldn't work, you would get stuck after grub.
[11:13] <cbreak> systemd is what starts the login manager. and it later also starts X, when users log in.
[11:17] <moa5505> I want to run 3 scripts at startup. One to disable the middleclick on my touchpad, one to apply a TDP limit to my CPU and another to apply an undervolt.
[11:17] <moa5505> I tried to use the default autostart menu on lubuntu and add those commands, but they don’t work because the last two need to be executed as root.
[11:17] <moa5505> So I created a new service with User = root, but this new service only launches 1 of the 3 commands. I checked the logs and apparently the middleclick disable cannot be applied because the service is executed before “xinput” can be executed, which is fine it makes sense, I guess this one can be added on the startup menu since it doesn't require
[11:17] <moa5505> root. But the two last commands seem to be executed correctly and return proper return values in the logs, but when I check if the TDP limit was applied, it wasn’t for some reason...
[11:17] <gry> Moa5505, look at passwordless sudo
[11:17] <gry> Continue to use lubuntu startup
[11:18] <cbreak> when you start a script via systemd, you can extend the script with logging, to verify if it has run. systemctl status should tell you that then.
[11:18] <gry> You can set up sudo to not require sudo password for a particular user for a particular command, and I think it would resolve the issue.
[11:18] <cbreak> this will of course not ensure that what you run will actually work, just that it is executed.
[11:19] <cbreak> depending on where in the startup process you put your code, it might be too early
[11:19] <cbreak> for example, if you want to interact with X, you'd probably want to do it after the graphical.target, after the display-manager.service
[11:19] <moa5505> I checked the systemctl status, it tells me the TDP limit was applied, I get the correct executable returns, but If I check my current TDP parameters, they remain the same as default
[11:20] <cbreak> so ... it ran the code, but your code didn't do what you wanted, or it did what you wanted and was changed back later by something else.
[11:20] <moa5505> No the logs tell me the code ran successfully, but they didn't
[11:20] <moa5505> My parameters remain the same
[11:21] <cbreak> did you add code to check the parameters to the script?
[11:21] <moa5505> man
[11:21] <cbreak> that would let you verify if they have been applied right afterwards
[11:21] <moa5505> If I execute manually the instructions I give to the service it runs fine
[11:21] <cbreak> and it would allow you to detect whether they've been changed back by something else later
[11:21] <moa5505> I'm not stupid
[11:21] <cbreak> if systemd starts your script, then systemd did its job
[11:21] <moa5505> It's just that the service executes it and it doesn't work
[11:22] <cbreak> if your script then doesn't work, you'll have to debug your script.
[11:22] <moa5505> omg
[11:22] <moa5505> MY SCRIPT WORKS
[11:22] <moa5505> that's not the issue
[11:22] <cbreak> obviously not
[11:22] <moa5505> are you even reading
[11:22] <moa5505> Okay lets check
[11:22] <cbreak> you said yourself it doesn't work
[11:22] <cbreak> but it is started
[11:22] <moa5505> It is executed
[11:22] <moa5505> but it doesn't have any effect
[11:22] <cbreak> yes. You said that before.
[11:23] <cbreak> so it's not a problem with the starting itself.
[11:23] <cbreak> it's a problem with either what the script does, or when it does it, or what happens afterwards.
[11:23] <moa5505> Where can I past logs ?
[11:23] <moa5505> paste*
[11:23] <cbreak> the /topic mentions paste.ubuntu.com, but apparently that's bad. Do you have access to github gists?
[11:25] <moa5505> This is such a waste of time
[11:25] <moa5505> https://pastebin.com/UYNYyw3Z
[11:25] <moa5505> The first lines are the logs from the service
[11:26] <moa5505> The last lines are the logs if I check the current parameters
[11:27] <moa5505> Notice how stapm_limit, fast_limit and slow_limit didn't change ?
[11:27] <cbreak> so, run the command to check the values _inside_the_script_
[11:28] <moa5505> And if I use the command " sudo /home/tiago/Programs/RyzenAdj/build/ryzenadj --stapm-limit=15000 --fast-limit=15000 --slow-limit=15000"  (like I have it on the service file), it runs fine
[11:28] <moa5505> cbreak, why would I run that ?
[11:28] <cbreak> ... didn't you pay attention?
[11:29] <cbreak> as I said above: to verify that the values have been applied right after your script tried to apply them.
[11:29] <moa5505> Why would I care if it returns the good values in the logs if the final result doesn't work ?
[11:29] <cbreak> because you've shown that it's not a problem with starting your script
[11:29] <cbreak> so systemd is doing what it is told
[11:29] <moa5505> The important thing is that my CPU is TDP limited at startup
[11:29] <moa5505> I don't care about anything else
[11:30] <moa5505> Systemd is running it in a way that doesn't work
[11:30] <cbreak> now, the problem to solve is to find out whether your script actually does what you want. And that's done by querying the result
[11:30] <moa5505> because my CPU will have the default TDP at startup, not the one I defined
[11:30] <moa5505> SUCH
[11:30] <moa5505> A
[11:30] <moa5505> WASTE
[11:30] <moa5505> OF
[11:31] <cbreak> what? This is basic debugging technique.
[11:31] <cbreak> you clearly aren't experienced in debugging, but the basis is to verify all assumptions.
[11:31] <mixfix41> which tutorial are you following
[11:31] <cbreak> you have verified that systemd does the right thing. It does.
[11:31] <cbreak> now you have to verify that your script does the right thing.
[11:31] <cbreak> and if it does: what changes the values back
[11:31] <cbreak> and if it does not: why it doesn't work
[11:32] <cbreak> do you run the script too early?
[11:34] <moa5505> test
[11:34] <moa5505> Not muted anymore ?
[11:35] <moa5505> This is such a waste of time
[11:35] <moa5505> Why so much bother and problems to run a simple script at startup
[11:35] <moa5505> I can do whatever I want on windows with 2-3 clicks in under a minute
[11:36] <moa5505> Here I tried 2-3 methods
[11:36] <moa5505> wasted hours
[11:36] <moa5505> for such a little thing
[11:36] <Marmotte> this is called "learning", maybe you don't remember, but you "wasted" time when learning Windows when you didn't know it ;)
[11:37] <mixfix41> why dont you just use crond
[11:37] <moa5505> I'm not learning anything because I'm not accomplishing anything
[11:37] <moa5505> I don't want to install more stuff, I just want to execute a simple script at startup
[11:38] <moa5505> What kind of OS makes a simple thing like this so complicated
[11:38] <mixfix41> crond isnt consider installing more put on the system its there and _use_ it
[11:38] <cbreak> it's quite simple with linux
[11:38] <moa5505> It's not.
[11:39] <moa5505> Really not
[11:39] <moa5505> If it wasn't I wouldn't be wasting time on this
[11:39] <cbreak> your problem is not starting software
[11:39] <cbreak> clearly, it was started
[11:39] <moa5505> If it was simple I would be able to use the default startup menu and just get it done
[11:39] <moa5505> No matter if someone in a basement would consider this method "retarded" or not
[11:40] <moa5505> It was started, but the final result doesn't work
[11:40] <moa5505> So it didn't work
[11:40] <cbreak> so... the problem isn't the starting.
[11:40] <moa5505> I don't care about anything else
[11:40] <cbreak> you're blaming the wrong thing.
[11:40] <mixfix41> you should just alias it until your strategy gets better :)
[11:41] <cbreak> you will not be able to fix the problem unless you find out the problem
[11:41] <moa5505> The problem is that the OS doesn't offer the possibility to run executables at start
[11:41] <moa5505> Simple
[11:41] <cbreak> it does.
[11:41] <moa5505> No it doesn't
[11:41] <cbreak> there are like five ways to do it
[11:41] <cbreak> at least
[11:42] <moa5505> Well they should focus on a single one that works
[11:42] <cbreak> every single one works...
[11:42] <moa5505> And is supported by the OS
[11:42] <cbreak> systemd is the most powerful way, but of course, with great power comes complexity
[11:42] <cbreak> especially due to the dependency management
[11:43] <moa5505> If everything runs so fine, why the autostart menu can't do what I want ?
[11:43] <cbreak> the GUI way is obviously aimed at login session startup
[11:43] <cbreak> so it will start software for the user that logs in.
[11:43] <cbreak> both ways clearly work.
[11:43] <moa5505> I want to run an executable
[11:43] <moa5505> It doesn't work
[11:43] <moa5505> simple
[11:43] <cbreak> no idea what you call "auto start menu"
[11:43] <cbreak> but in KDE, there's an autostart section in the settings
[11:43] <cbreak> it works.
[11:43] <moa5505> LXQt session settings
[11:43] <cbreak> in gnome, I think there's something similar
[11:44] <moa5505> It doesn't work
[11:44] <moa5505> It can run an executable at startup
[11:44] <moa5505> If it did we wouldn't be having this discussion
[11:44] <cbreak> it works.
[11:44] <Marmotte> running your executable works, but the executable itself doesn't work (maybe it was started to early, maybe it is bugged, etc.)
[11:44] <moa5505> Becuase I would be happy
[11:44] <cbreak> as I said: the bug is in your code.
[11:45] <cbreak> the fact that you don't seem to comprehend that is ... weird.
[11:45] <moa5505> Nope Marmotte, it doesn't work because I need sudo access to run executables
[11:45] <moa5505> The bug is not in my code
[11:45] <moa5505> My code runs fine
[11:45] <cbreak> add logging to your code.
[11:45] <moa5505> I did
[11:45] <cbreak> is your code executed?
[11:45] <moa5505> yes
[11:45] <cbreak> good.
[11:45] <cbreak> so it works.
[11:45] <cbreak> Q.E.D.
[11:45] <moa5505> mdr
[11:45] <moa5505> t'es con en fait
[11:46] <cbreak> since logging proved that your code is started, the problem is not starting your code
[11:46] <cbreak> next step is to find out why your code doesn't do what you want.
[11:46] <moa5505> It runs, it returns that the TDP modifications were done, but if I check if they really were there are no modifications
[11:46] <cbreak> and to solve the problem.
[11:46] <cbreak> so, as I said above:
[11:46] <cbreak> check that the settings have been applied right afterwards
[11:46] <moa5505> Why ?
[11:46] <cbreak> I told you
[11:46] <cbreak> twice already...
[11:47] <cbreak> to find out if your settings have been applied
[11:47] <cbreak> if they have, then they were reverted later.
[11:47] <cbreak> if they hvae not, then there's some problem with setting them itself.
[11:47] <cbreak> beause, obviously, when you check much later, the settings are not what you wanted to set them to, right?
[11:47] <cbreak> so either they never were set to begin with, or they were set back.
[11:49] <Marmotte> maret: we "all" succeed doing what we want except you... but when it doesn't work, we search what we did wrong insted of blaming the OS, this allows us to fix our issues :)
[11:49] <Marmotte> oops sorry for the wrong ping :D
[11:49] <moa5505> cbreak I just did what you said
[11:49] <moa5505> let me restart
[11:52] <moa5505> Same thing
[11:53] <moa5505> https://pastebin.com/53k6SZCp
[11:53] <moa5505> It tells it applied it successfully, it reports again having the right values but If I execute it myself I have the default values
[11:53] <moa5505> It's shit
[11:53] <moa5505> It doesn't work
[11:53] <cbreak> so it works
[11:54] <moa5505> ...
[11:54] <cbreak> but something later changes the values back
[11:54] <cbreak> correct?
[11:54] <moa5505> How could something change it back ???
[11:54] <moa5505> This is changes sent directly to the CPU
[11:54] <cbreak> don't know. Did you check dmesg / journalctl -b 0?
[11:55] <cbreak> but you just verified that the values were set correctly
[11:55] <moa5505> dmesg / journalctl -b 0
[11:55] <moa5505> dmesg: invalid option -- 'b'
[11:55] <cbreak> but later are no longer correct
[11:55] <cbreak> those are two commands
[11:55] <cbreak> either `dmesg` or `journalctl -b 0`
[11:55] <cbreak> the latter will show more
[11:55] <moa5505> Stop the bullshit, If I apply those myself manually they remain until shutdown
[11:55] <moa5505> They don't "just change"
[11:58] <moa5505> Fuck it
[11:58] <moa5505> I just give up
[11:58] <moa5505> Such an amazing OS
[11:58] <cbreak> lunch time, good luck, back in an hour or so
[11:58] <moa5505> No
[11:59] <moa5505> I'll just uninstall
[11:59] <moa5505> stoop wasting time on this
[11:59] <moa5505> I'll try it again in 2030 "year of linux desktop" lol
[11:59] <mixfix41> lol but non-corporate _still_
[11:59] <moa5505> This is unacceptable for a OS
[12:00] <moa5505> Continue to act surprised when new videos on linux like linustechtips come out
[12:01] <mixfix41> honestly im not sure why you try. look at history. not at view farming..
[12:01] <moa5505> These are known problems, it's unacceptable to be so complicated to run a script at startup
[12:09] <semitones> How can i interrogate an SD card that is not easily recognized in gnome?
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> semitones: journalctl -f and plug in the SD to see errors
[12:10] <semitones> thanks
[12:10] <semitones> no messages. What about lsblkid
[12:11] <semitones> I see an sda in lsblk
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> semitones: thats impossible, plugin new hardware always spits out output
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> share in a pastebin please
[12:12] <semitones> You're right, the sda is a USB drive I also have inserted
[12:12] <semitones> I am going to look for an SD card that works to make sure it's not the laptop being broken
[12:14] <semitones> lotuspsychje, Mar 13 08:10:57 patsurf-u systemd[1351]: Started VTE child process 9047 launched by gnome-terminal-server process 6541.
[12:14] <semitones> oops probably should not have done gparted scanning devices while startup disk creator is working
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> semitones: when inserting the SD, you should get like 4+ lines of that SD hardware
[12:15] <semitones> i think maybe the SD card reader has failed
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> if the reader or card was completly dead yeah
[12:15] <semitones> i'll keep trying sd cards and see if I get the 4 lines
[12:17] <semitones> i got a cron job when I inserted the lastest one, but I think it might have been a coincidence
[12:18] <mixfix41> you can use dmesg -wH for live reading and see if its the hardware is the problem.
[12:19] <semitones> I'll try that
[12:21] <semitones> I'm still getting nothing, and putting in known good sd cards.
[12:21] <semitones> Could Ubuntu  have already detected that it doesn't work, and disabled it?
[12:21] <mixfix41> yeah id assume it would show in dmesg . only my bad drives dont
[12:22] <semitones> About 2 weeks ago, I tried to flash an SD card in windows on the same machine, and I got a blue screen when I inserted the card, so that might be a clue that it's the card reader
[12:22] <mixfix41> and even them they show a few lines
[12:22] <ogra> well, cheap USB->SD readers often do not detect card changes, you need to re-plug the USB fr them to have the kernel detect them
[12:23] <semitones> Oh. Yeah let me try this again with the USB drive unplugged
[12:23] <ogra> just switching the cards wont be noticed on such devices
[12:24] <mixfix41> storage devices typically in my experience will work with hubs
[12:24] <semitones> For context, this is a microsoft surface that has 1 x USB 3.0 port, (which had a usb thumb drive) and one microSD reader, which probably uses the USB bus also but idk
[12:25] <semitones> surface pro 3 or 4
[12:25] <mixfix41> they would even work quite the distance over a longer range hardwire too.
[12:25] <semitones> I got messages for unplugging the USB drive, but not for the sd card reader
[12:27] <semitones> I guess it is dead :( :( :(
[12:27] <semitones> I'll try restarting and see if it is still dead
[12:27] <semitones> i just remembered that I have an old laptop that has a full size SD card reader, so I can still write the cards with that for the time being
[12:30] <cbreak> semitones: I use an usb sd card reader. Works quite nicely. They're not that expensive either.
[12:31] <cbreak> The one I use has a slot for sd cards, and one for micro sd cards.
[12:31] <semitones> I will add that to my shopping list for the computer store, that's a good idea
[12:33] <cbreak> the one I have looks similar to this one: https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/icy-box-ib-cr200-c-usb-usb-20-micro-b-speicherkartenlesegeraet-5990429 (but it's not this model)
[13:13] <semitones> cbreak: oh I have one kind of like that with USB c. Maybe I just need a C to A adapter
[13:14] <semitones> Oh actually mine comes with A as well
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:20] <semitones> Hi BluesKaj :)
[13:21] <BluesKaj> hi semitones
[13:21] <semitones> Out of curiosity, is it normal that hexchat does not appear in Ubuntu Software or apt, on 20.04.4 live CD (with internet) (xpost from #hexchat)
[13:27] <cbreak> semitones: this one has two sides too, for A and C
[13:29] <Maik> semitones: enable the universe repo in the live session, hexchat is there
[13:30] <Maik> iirc, universe is disabled during the live session
[13:34] <semitones> Maik: thanks!!
[13:36] <Maik> semitones: you're welcome :)
[13:48] <ph88> i just formatted my hdd, made it GPT partition table, with 8 MB grub_bios partition unformatted, and the rest btrfs .. can it be that my laptop does not support gpt ? laptop seems unable to find harddisk and boot from it
[14:22] <cbreak> ph88: normally, you'd want an EFI partition
[14:22] <cbreak> maybe with 200 MB or so
[14:23] <cbreak> for efi booting
[14:23] <cbreak> but the installer should format this for you automatically if you tell it to
[14:30] <ph88> cbreak, the Lubuntu installer just told me to do 8mb bios_grub partition ... ok 200 MB efi ... so what should i do now ? reinstall ?
[14:53] <bun_> huh?
[14:57] <cbreak> ph88: depends on what you want. If you boot via efi / legacy, then I think the installer will try to do legacy booting
[15:03] <cbreak> (well, it'll try to install it in the same way you booted the installer)
[15:07] <ph88> cbreak, i can do a reinstall and then hold at the partition screen and make a photograph ... im not sure what to do there.
[15:15] <jhutchins> ph88: One partition.
[15:15] <jhutchins> !install
[15:17] <ph88> jhutchins, i think cbreak has a point ... i heard about that 200 MB GPT partition before ...
[15:17] <tomreyn> ph88: like all other flavors, lubuntu can install in either (legacy) bios or EFI mode, if your mainboard supports both modes for booting. which one you boot the lubuntu installer in decides which boot mode the system will be installed for. you can use gpt partitioning in either mode. an 1 MB bios_grub partition is only needed for (legacy) bios booting, and would be created by the installer (booted in (legacy) BIOS mode) when it sees
[15:17] <tomreyn> unpartitioned space on the target disk. an ESP partition is only needed for UEFI booting and would be created by the installer (booted in UEFI mode) when it sees unpartitioned space on the target disk.
[15:17] <ph88> jhutchins, sorry i mean EFI instead of GPT
[15:18] <jhutchins> ph88: They are different things.
[15:18] <jhutchins> EFI<>BIOS GPT<>FAT
[15:19] <ph88> tomreyn, i don't think my bios has EFI support, but i tried to make a GPT partitioning scheme, then installer warned about needing bios_grub partition, so i went back and made GPT scheme, 8 mb bios_grub unformatted, and rest btrfs with boot flag mount on /    Now laptop can not find disk to boot from. Did i do it wrong or is hardware broken ?
[15:22] <cbreak> is your computer really old?
[15:22] <tomreyn> ph88: which laptop model is it? you can boot the live / installer system, spawn a terminal (emulator, or switch to a !tty) and run    dmesg | grep DMI:
[15:24] <ph88> cbreak, 2011 laptop
[15:24] <cbreak> dmidecode for my system lists, among other things: "UEFI is supported"
[15:24] <ph88> tomreyn, Dell Vostro V131 with Intel Core i3-2310M
[15:25] <ph88> tomreyn, yes i can boot into live iso .. just a moment ..
[15:25] <cbreak> hmm... that's maybe a bit old... maybe it only supports uefi if you turn it on, or it just defaults to legacy mode
[15:25] <cbreak> ph88: chances are you can chose how to boot the installer
[15:28] <ph88> cbreak, i don't see anything in bios about uefi
[15:28] <cbreak> :(
[15:28] <ph88> thats ok no ? it should still work with bios ?
[15:28] <cbreak> does it list "CSM" or "compatibility support module"?
[15:29] <cbreak> Ubuntu should work fine with either mode
[15:29] <tomreyn> ph88: based on the bios updates available for dell vostro v131, i also assume this only supports bios boot
[15:29] <cbreak> but you're giving up on some of the nicer features of EFI
[15:29] <ph88> cbreak, don't see CSM or compatibility support module
[15:29] <cbreak> like easy boot picking, higher resolution booting, faster booting
[15:30] <cbreak> yeah, then it might just only support legacy bios mode.
[15:30] <ph88> that's ok i can do without these features .. i just like to get Lubuntu running
[15:30] <tomreyn> i don't think it's much of a loss
[15:30] <ph88> i don't know whether i missed up with partitioning or if hardware is broken
[15:30] <cbreak> did you try to let the installer partition things itself?
[15:30] <ph88> cbreak, no i didn't try that ... can try to do that
[15:31] <cbreak> I think it supports setting up a system with root on zfs :D
[15:31] <Jeremy31> ph88: Might be too old to boot with GPT
[15:31] <cbreak> (or other file systems)
[15:31] <cbreak> it should create the boot partitions it requires as well
[15:32] <ph88> Jeremy31, interesting comment ... when would a system be too old to boot with GPT though ?
[15:32] <cbreak> when the bios doesn't know GPT format.
[15:32] <cbreak> but that's why GPT has the option for a protective MBR
[15:33] <ph88> protective MBR ? is that why the 8 mb bios_grub partition was needed ?
[15:33] <cbreak> a fake MBR partition table at the start of the GPT disk, to prevent ancient legacy systems from getting too confused
[15:33] <Jeremy31> ph88: I had an older Toshiba that had no UEFI that wouldn't boot a disk with GPT, but another laptop had no issue
[15:33] <cbreak> ph88: no, protective MBR is the first 1 MB chunk. It's really old stuff. I'd hope your system supports GPT
[15:33] <Jeremy31> I think the bios_grub should be 1mb
[15:33] <cbreak> it's not a partition
[15:33] <cbreak> it's a feature of GPT I think
[15:34] <cbreak> anyway, if your system doesn't get MBR, you could try FAT
[15:34] <ph88> i can try with MBR now
[15:35] <Jeremy31> And the 1mb bios_grub has to be at the beginning of the drive
[15:37] <tomreyn> ph88: did the installer provide a choice between gpt or mbr partition table?
[15:38] <tomreyn> if not, or you don't know, then it may be a good idea to overwrite the existing gpt partition table before you make another attempt to install
[15:39] <ph88> tomreyn, yes it provided a choice
[15:40] <tomreyn> okay, then i guess you could choose that instead
[15:40] <ph88> MBR ?
[15:40] <tomreyn> yes
[15:44] <ph88> when i insert usb stick it boots from hdd  lol
[15:45] <tomreyn> :)
[15:46] <ph88> usb stick has MBR
[16:34] <jhutchins> ph88: Use the BIOS/EFI boot menu.
[16:35] <ph88> trying ..
[16:38] <jhutchins> I have a board that follows the last successful boot device rather than the configured boot order.
[16:56] <ph88> ok i reinstalled Lubuntu, with MBR this time. It did boot but had some other problems https://imgur.com/a/B8NrJdW  i am booted into Live ISO. Possible problem (was told before) disk might be set as read-only.  What to do now ?
[16:57] <ph88> by the way i have two laptops at which both i try to install Lubuntu ..
[17:02] <cbreak> that doesn't look good :(
[17:03] <ph88> yes it doesnt :P
[17:05] <jhutchins> Looking for a shared cross-platform (Linux/Android) list application - shopping lists, to-do lists.
[17:06] <enigma9o7[m]> pastebin ;)
[17:07] <sarahzrf> jhutchins: i actually do have a backup from 3 days ago, i completely forgot i have weekly backups enabled hallelujah
[17:07] <sarahzrf> okay i think i will restore that
[17:07] <jhutchins> Woot!
[17:07] <sarahzrf> finally the extra $1/mo paid off
[17:18] <Ravage> jhutchins: maybe nextcloud notes with Joplin for example?
[17:18] <Xeonvl> Hi, im looking to configure fancontrol but receive "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed"
[17:18] <Xeonvl> i used superiotool to find my super io chip which seems to be Aspeed AST2400
[17:19] <Xeonvl> according to online, I should load aspeed-pwm-tacho
[17:19] <Ravage> jhutchins: i think has a native android app too. so no need for nextcloud
[17:19] <jhutchins> !lmsensors
[17:19] <Xeonvl> but where do I find that kernel module? :/
[17:19] <Xeonvl> i have lm-sensors, it doesnt detect fans because i think I lack the right driver for the PWM module
[17:19] <toxic0> hello everyone. some general question : would tar --exclude=cache ignore all files and directories (and their content) that are named cache wherever in the tree they might be ?
[17:20] <jhutchins> toxic0: TIAS
[17:20] <toxic0> actually I'm more lookging to exclude anything inside a cache directory ;)
[17:21] <jhutchins> toxic0: Possibly want a full path to the directory.
[17:21] <toxic0> no idea what TIAS means
[17:28] <rfm> toxic0,  man page says --exclude takes a glob, so  --exclude='*/cache/*' might do what you want
[17:35] <jhutchins> toxic0: Try It And See - tar is non-destructive, so play around with it.
[18:12] <caitlin> i'm struggling with a usb connection to a pi, i'm connected over otg and i am getting a network interface created when i plug in the cable, but i'm not getting any ip. it worked once this afternoon and then never again and i'm confused
[18:38] <pycurious> I'm getting only this in my logs from fail2ban - rollover performed on /var/log/fail2ban.log - any ideas on how to fix this?
[18:49] <XATRIX> Hi, can you advice ? I'm using aarch64 ubuntu 18.04. Is it possible to install GCC-7.3.1 on ? Currently i have GCC-7.5.0
[18:53] <Maximalist> can you full disk encrypt a ubuntu distro after the setup process? I didnt set it up with full disk encryption in the beginning
[18:55] <Maximalist> all the tutorials I find on using LUKS is at the intallation process
[19:09] <getheao11> hello! how to create shortcut from alias? is this possible? i want to run an alias-command from desktop as a shortcut
[19:17] <XATRIX> How can i find a suitable PPA for my 18.04 ? Is there any search engine ?
[19:17] <enigma9o7[m]> launchpad
[19:17] <XATRIX> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas ?
[19:21] <jil> hello
[19:21] <jil> hi #ubuntu
[19:22] <jil> after installing squid on my laptop is there something special I need to do to have firefox take squid's rule in consideratio ?
[19:25] <Jeremy31> getheao11: you could make a .desktop file
[19:27] <jil> I mean I started squid with sudo systemctl start squid.  it's status is ok  but firefox does not seem to use it also ti should use the system proxy
[19:31] <ph88^> i booted into Live CD ... how can i get diagnostics on HDD installed ubuntu installation ?
[19:32] <RobNyc> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Pop "impish" 21.10 • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600U with Radeon Graphics (1.60GHz) • Memory: 13.3 GiB Total (11.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.1 GB / 124.9 GB (114.7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cezanne @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Renoir PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 13h 45m 15s
[19:32] <RobNyc> oops wrong chat window
[19:33] <semitones> I just got a new laptop. Is there any hardware scan I can do and send to Ubuntu
[19:33] <RobNyc> @semitones, whats wrong
[19:33] <RobNyc> @ph88^, what kind of diagnostics you're looking for
[19:34] <XATRIX> Need advice. How can i purge gcc-7.5.0, and install gcc-7.3.0? https://imgur.com/FE1LoPC.png
[19:34] <semitones> Nothing is wrong. I thought they might have a database for hardware specs and what works/didn't work
[19:35] <ph88^> RobNyc, something to help me diagnose this https://imgur.com/a/B8NrJdW
[19:35] <oerheks> XATRIX, find it on launchpad/source and build it?
[19:36] <oerheks> not really a valid ubuntu support issue, old versions
[19:36] <XATRIX> oerheks: but i found a repo which has it. can i just specify a version i need to install on ?
[19:36] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/gcc-7/7.3.0-27ubuntu1~18.04
[19:36] <oerheks> good luck
[19:38] <XATRIX> oerheks: ok, this is a version i'm looking for. But how can i install from the link you gave me ?
[19:38] <oerheks> dpkg -i <deb> ..
[19:39] <XATRIX> i have to deal with thousands dependencies. How can i use apt for the installation ?
[19:39] <XATRIX> maybe mask 7.5.0 ?
[19:39] <oerheks> yes, that is why i say; good luck, you want an old unsupported gcc version
[19:39] <XATRIX> i do it in docker container
[19:40] <oerheks> update-alternatives --query gcc
[19:40] <oerheks> might work
[19:40] <XATRIX> i don't worry about a host machine
[19:40] <oerheks> yes, such actions is best in a VM
[19:40] <XATRIX> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gcc
[19:40] <XATRIX> i need to compile tensorflow inside of
[19:40] <oerheks> did you install build-essentials before this action?
[19:41] <XATRIX> manual says, that i have to use bazel 4.2.2 and GCC 7.3.1
[19:41] <XATRIX> yes, i did build-essentials
[19:42] <XATRIX> ii  build-essential                        12.4ubuntu1                         arm64        Informational list of build-essential packages
[19:44] <XATRIX> take a look please
[19:44] <XATRIX> https://imgur.com/Qr56CpF.png
[19:45] <semitones> I decided to run phoronix test suite
[19:55] <jhutchins> semitones: Hardware Compatibility Databases rely on people to buy and test the hardware, since Canonical obviously can't buy and test _everything_.
[19:56] <jhutchins> semitones: Unfortunately, most people will only bother to contribute a test report if they're pissed off that something didn't work.
[19:56] <RobNyc> Anyone here using Realtek RTL8852AE wifi-6 card?
[19:56] <jhutchins> semitones: Given that a certain portion of these reports are invalid because the failure is something the tester did rather than an innate problem with the hardware (or drivers), the databases are pretty useless.
[19:57] <gry> semitones, see also http://www.h-node.org site — when you click 'Search', at the bottom it has a textbox where you can copy/paste your hardware list from a command. See if all your components are already in the catalogue. If they aren't, you can add them there.
[19:58] <semitones> Aw that makes sense, but it's too bad. I remember it used to be a thing people tried to do whenever they got a new computer
[19:58] <ph88^> what could be a reason that my hard drive became read only ? it has trouble booting ... seems a lot of system files are read only
[19:59] <semitones> I'll try that gry
[19:59] <gry> semitones, it is a third-party site, not run by Ubuntu or Canonical. If there are issues with it then you may wish to ask in the #h-node IRC channel.
[19:59] <Jeremy31> RobNyc: That might need rtw89
[20:01] <jushur> ph88^: it failed fsck at boot and auto mounted as RO?
[20:01] <XATRIX> Can you advice on dependencies ? Why it wants to install 7.5.0 instead of 7.3.0 ? :( https://imgur.com/oNTbEJp.png
[20:01] <RobNyc> Jeremy31, thanks let me look around
[20:01] <Jeremy31> RobNyc: what kernel are you using?
[20:02] <ph88^> jushur, i didnt see anything about fsck running ... by the way i use btrfs. How can i check if it was mounted RO ?
[20:03] <Jeremy31> RobNyc: check in terminal>  modprobe -c | grep 8852 ## see if a rtw89_pci is in results
[20:05] <jushur> ph88^: with that filesystem i dont think there is a fsck.
[20:05] <RobNyc> Jeremy31, yes op-os@pop-os:~/Downloads$ modprobe -c | grep 8852
[20:05] <RobNyc> alias pci:v000010ECd00008852sv*sd*bc*sc*i* rtw89_pci
[20:05] <RobNyc> alias pci:v000014F1d00008852sv*sd*bc*sc*i* cx23885
[20:05] <RobNyc> alias symbol:rtw8852a_chip_info rtw89_core
[20:06] <RobNyc> Jeremy31, using 5.16.11 kernel right now on this livecd typing from my other laptop
[20:06] <Ravage> RobNyc: pop os is not supported here
[20:06] <jushur> anyhow my knowledge of that is outdated, so maybe it does.. seems i have it on this system im using right now so.
[20:06] <RobNyc> Ravage, its just a livecd im using to type im not running anything (installed) yet
[20:07] <RobNyc> i am too far from my router to use ethernet connection on T14
[20:07] <jhutchins> !realtec
[20:07] <jhutchins> D'Oh!
[20:07] <RobNyc> !realtek
[20:08] <ph88^> how can i see how my main filesystem is mounted as read only ?
[20:10] <oerheks> 'mount'  would show you ?
[20:10] <oerheks> and what btrfs manual/howto do you use?
[20:10] <oerheks> and crossposting .. meh
[20:11] <Ravage> ph88^: why dont you try a basic installation with a default partitions and the default filesystem? it almost seems as if you are looking for trouble with all the custom choices.
[20:25] <ph88^> oerheks, i didnt use manual or how to .. i used lubuntu installer to setup partition with btrs and boot
[20:26] <ph88^> Ravage, hum i like btrfs is it that much looking for trouble ?
[20:28] <semitones> I was able to use hw-probe https://linux-hardware.org/?probe-bb0dd6b2c6
[20:32] <noarb> I have a VM on my ubuntu machine using a bridge for networking, and all networking seems to work from the VM except for to the host itself. Are there some tools I can use on the host to see if traffic is even getting there?
[20:35] <noarb> does using netplan for the bridge creation introduce another "layer" where traffic could be stopped?
[20:36] <jhutchins> ph88^: What do you like about btrfs?  Where have you used it?
[20:37] <jhutchins> noarb: Connections to the host usually require a seperate configuration.
[20:37] <jhutchins> noarb: What virtualisation are you using?
[20:37] <Ravage> btrfs has some nice features like snapshots. but error debugging with anything not standard is not really helpful
[20:40] <leftyfb> noarb: if you setup the guest using a proper bridged interface, then the guest should be on the same network subnet as the host and all traffic to and from the guest and host should be the same as every other device on your network
[20:41] <ph88^> jhutchins, i used it on some pc before, also in my nas .. i read on articles online that it has good technology in it ... but i dont really know the gist of it
[20:41] <ph88^> guys i fixed my problem, i remount / and then edit fstab to space_cache=V2 and all good :D
[20:42] <noarb> I am using KVM+libvirt+qemu with a bridge, the VM is centos with the virtio network driver
[20:42] <noarb> I think it may just be a VM configuration, because it gets DHCP configuration
[20:45] <XATRIX> still need help. I have ppa jonatonf repository with a needed gcc version. but apt doesn't want to see this repo. How can i tell apt to install from ? https://imgur.com/GrlGXqC.png
[20:45] <Hash> How's the upcoming LTS doing?
[20:45] <XATRIX> please advice!
[20:46] <jhutchins> XATRIX: Contact the maintainers of that repository for instructions on it's use.
[20:47] <Ravage> Hash: #ubuntu-next
[20:48] <ph88^> Hash, i just installed Lunbuntu 22.04 doing very well
[20:49] <noarb> leftyfb: Could a vlan be an issue? https://bpa.st/S5FQ
[20:50] <leftyfb> noarb: is your host ip on 10.0.242.0/24?
[20:50] <noarb> the bridge vlan is on 10.0.242.0/24, where the host is on 10.0.240.0/24
[20:50] <leftyfb> can the guest contact other devices on the 10.0.240.0/24 vlan?
[20:50] <leftyfb> sorry, 10.0.242.0/24 vlan
[20:52] <leftyfb> noarb: your issue is probably with inter-vlan routing, nothing to do with the guest. Unless you need to tag both vlans on the guest
[20:52] <noarb> yes, I can ping all vlans from the guest VM
[20:52] <david__> hey im trying to install phpmyadmin.. ofc i already have apache/mysql/php already.. but when I "sudo apt install phpmyadmin" it says its already the newest version but yet there's no phpmyadmin in my /var/www/ folder?
[20:53] <Ravage> david__: the package create a config file for apache and links it to the files in /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[20:53] <leftyfb> david__: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-secure-phpmyadmin-on-ubuntu-20-04
[20:53] <leftyfb> david__: when setup properly, you don't need /var/www/phpmyadmin. That's what vhosts are for
[20:54] <noarb> leftyfb: do I need to configure that at the bridge level or on the KVM host?
[20:55] <noarb> the host is untagged and the VM is tagged - do they both need to be tagged?
[21:05] <noarb> thanks for the tip, I think the tag/untagged has something to do with it and it has to be set up a little differently. I'm reading more about it now
[21:08] <ph88^> how can i update opengl driver ?
[21:09] <Chunkyz> ph88^: you're not using a supported release
[21:10] <Chunkyz> but... https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers works fine.
[21:10] <david__> facepalm so what do i have wrong.. i've restarted apache, i'm down to the end of step 2 on that digital ocean URL you linked.. (which i was already going by before I joined IRC) but anyway when I navigate to localhost/phpmyadmin = page not found
[21:11] <leftyfb> !next | ph88^
[21:11] <Chunkyz> leftyfb: already told him that in #lubuntu, no reply.
[21:12] <ph88^> Chunkyz, that's cool .. though why is it not in standard repositories ?
[21:13]  * Chunkyz shrugs
[21:25] <ph88^> Chunkyz, i added that repository, opengl still at old version .. do i need to install a package ?
[21:25] <Chunkyz> !next | ph88^
[21:25] <Chunkyz> read that.
[21:27] <gry> ph88^, sorry about the noise. ubuntu 22.04 is not supported here. #ubuntu-next only.
[21:27] <Chunkyz> gry: he's been told three times now, doesn't seem to be listening...
 but... https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers works fine.
[21:29] <Chunkyz> oh dear, he's been put on ignore. I wonder why people don't listen to advice. :-(
[21:30] <gry> ph88^, we cannot help with it here, wrong channel
[21:30] <gry> ph88^, because next release has its own little bugs, that people in here do not want to know
[21:30] <Chunkyz> gry: just ignore him.
[21:30] <gry> ph88^, please continue this in #ubuntu-next channel
[21:31] <ph88^> i have here 4 laptops in front of me all different OS versions windows too. package update question is not on release specific
[21:31] <david__> lack of sunshine will make you depressed
[21:32] <gry> ph88^, how many of them run ubuntu, and what versions?
[21:32] <ph88^> 16.04, 20.04, 22.04
[21:33] <oerheks> i hope not 16.04 EOL
[21:33] <oerheks> grinn
[21:33] <gry> ph88^, ok, here it is possible to get help with the 20.04
[21:34] <gry> ph88^, please try to install graphics drivers there
[21:34] <oerheks> LTS aims to be stable, not the newest packages.
[21:35] <ph88^> ok thanks
[21:50] <DavidSaylor41040> is there a way to actually browse apps in the ubuntu software store thing without a search string
[21:55] <Ravage> DavidSaylor41040: https://p.haxxors.com/u8fk10rz.png yes
[21:56] <DavidSaylor41040> mine is always empty, just shows editors picks
[22:11] <forgotmynick> hello
[22:17] <semitones> interesting my integrated microSD port seems to be working again
[22:19] <Jeremy31> Fix it quick
[22:24] <semitones> Jeremy31, but I can't see the windows partition of the SSD anymore :(
[22:24] <semitones> Well, I can see it
[22:25] <semitones> but gnome does not see it / auto mount it like it used to
[22:25] <semitones> searches: how to make gnome mount something it should already have mounted
[22:26] <oerheks> make sure it has no errors. that would prevent mounting RW
[22:27] <oerheks> fsck something?
[22:28] <semitones> good idea. It is NTFS so maybe I better just reboot windows and restart again
[22:31] <rairden> is pcregrep installed by default on ubuntu?
[22:36] <Jeremy31> rairden: probably not
[22:40] <semitones> that worked :) thank you oerheks
[22:53] <rmaw> Hello, I just installed ubuntu 20.04 and tried importing a zpool created elsewhere
[22:55] <rmaw> when trying to import a zpool created elsewhere I get
[22:55] <rmaw> com.delphix:log_spacemap (Log metaslab changes on a single spacemap and flush them periodically.)
[22:55] <rmaw> that feature is not supported
[22:55] <rmaw> "This pool uses the following feature(s) not supported by this system:"
[22:55] <gry> could you please share a screenshot
[22:55] <gry> https://imgbb.com/ upload here, for example
[22:56] <rmaw> https://i.snipboard.io/de3gIZ.jpg
[23:41] <gry> Chunkyz, in -next, productive discussion now. thanks for your help with the redirection
[23:53] <moha> fdisk -l /dev/sda does  not show the lvm partition (sda3), why?  <---- https://p.teknik.io/r5XAg
[23:56] <moha> Also this command `parted /dev/sda --script unit s print ` does not show the sda3