| guiverc | i just saw reference to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Klipper on a reddit question; it was last available according to `rmadison` for trusty; yet the 'discontinued' notice appears to have been removed by tomtomtom from wiki; the discontinued notice appears valid to me | 10:50 |
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| guiverc | s/reddit/askubuntu ^ https://askubuntu.com/questions/1397973/how-to-install-klipper-what-would-you-suggest-instead-if-the-package-is-not-any | 10:52 |
| RikMills | guiverc: it still exists. it has just been absorbed on plasma-workspace | 11:34 |
| RikMills | s/on/into | 11:34 |
| guiverc | okay so fakenews (reason for removal of warning) makes sense.. thanks RikMills | 11:34 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:00 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Probably not. We have an unused one as it is (re @ahoneybun: @RikMills would another build server be useful?) | 13:05 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Ah | 13:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Is anybody else having trouble getting driver manager to work in Jammy? | 17:23 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I thought it was dropped? | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | @ahoneybun: The old package was dropped, yes, but in System Settings > Driver Manager it's still a thing so that one can access software-manager-qt via that interface. | 17:25 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> the sources thing that is linked to from Discover? | 17:26 |
| Eickmeyer | No, this is specifically for the "Additional Drivers" tab in software-manager. | 17:26 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> It looks like I need to be in the wheel group? | 17:26 |
| Eickmeyer | You should be in wheel as a regular admin. | 17:27 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Well it says often it is wheel | 17:27 |
| Eickmeyer | Unfortunately, that's not a good solution anyhow as it should *just work*. | 17:27 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, it says often it is wheel, which means something in pkexec is off afaict. | 17:28 |
| Eickmeyer | This is *critical* for people installing non-free drivers, such as nvidia or broadcom. | 17:28 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I haven't rebooted yet after some updates since I had to remove VLC for them to apply. | 17:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh, weird. | 17:30 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I'm restoring some backups then I can reboot | 17:30 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Yea vlc-bin was weird. It's like that on my laptop and desktop. | 17:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, you confirmed the issue. Might have to write a polkit action for it. | 17:30 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Glad I could confirm it at least. | 17:30 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I'm up for testing the fix as well. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok. Well, I'll try to get a pull request or something. The issue is in the kubuntu-settings source package. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Having the same issue in Studio, so I'll probably get it there first. | 17:32 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> It's nice having another distro using the Qt installer lol | 17:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, we're not using Ubiquity because the Ubiquity Qt installer is hardocoded for Kubuntu. | 17:32 |
| Eickmeyer | We're using Calamares. | 17:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Ah I didn't think a flavor could do it tbh. | 17:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Can we pull out snapd from our ISO? lol | 17:33 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh yes. Lubuntu was using it already. | 17:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Mm | 17:33 |
| Eickmeyer | Hehehe, I don't think so. Firefox will be a snap, no way around it. | 17:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Is that why I haven't gotten v98 on jammy? | 17:43 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I have the deb package installed. | 17:43 |
| mamarley | For individual users, if you're willing to use the Firefox beta, you can use the deb package from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+packages. You will need to put "Package: *\nPin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam-firefox-next\nPin-Priority: 700" in your /etc/apt/preferences.d/ to get APT to see it as the latest version though. | 17:59 |
| mamarley | You can, of course, also use the official builds from Mozilla, either in release or Beta. | 17:59 |
| mamarley | For people like me who don't want any snaps at all. | 17:59 |
| Eickmeyer | FYI: It looks like the problem is that software-properties-qt is completely broken. | 18:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Unless run with sudo? Weird... | 18:43 |
| Eickmeyer | mamarley: That's great and all, but we can't do that for the ISO image. | 19:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Anyhow, I have a fix for the driver manager bug, but it' | 19:09 |
| Eickmeyer | s ugly and relies on xterm. | 19:09 |
| valorie | if Firefox available as flatpak? | 19:35 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> It is. | 19:35 |
| valorie | I've had good luck with them (signal, telegram) | 19:35 |
| valorie | @ahoneybun what is the packagename in flatpak? | 19:35 |
| valorie | I guess I would have to uninstall what I have | 19:36 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> firefox | 19:36 |
| valorie | chrome does not play nice with a few sites like GSoC | 19:36 |
| valorie | oddly | 19:36 |
| valorie | sweet! and simple | 19:37 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> If we have to ship snapd can we just not ship Firefox as a snap? | 19:38 |
| Eickmeyer | @ahoneybun Firefox will not be available as a .deb in Jammy. | 19:39 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> the flatpak not the deb | 19:39 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Is that why I haven't gotten an update on jammy? | 19:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh, shipping flatpaks is a no-no per the TB. I tried. | 19:40 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> TB? | 19:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Technical Board | 19:40 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Oh ffs | 19:40 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Back to Arch I go. | 19:40 |
| valorie | we don't have to ship it | 19:40 |
| valorie | it's available on the hub | 19:41 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I know but pre-installed is better. | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | valorie: But anything from flathub cannot be pre-installed. | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | Per the TB. | 19:41 |
| valorie | do we not pre-install? | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | (I tried) | 19:41 |
| valorie | we always have | 19:41 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> The snap is preinstalled. | 19:41 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Yes, as 98 was the last full .deb. The next FF in jammy will be the snap transitional (stuck in proposed at the moment) (re @ahoneybun: Is that why I haven't gotten an update on jammy?) | 19:41 |
| valorie | ah, got it | 19:41 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I didn't get 98 I was on 97 for days. | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | In Studio we switched to full seeded snap for FF. | 19:42 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Whoops. I mean 97 was the last (re @ahoneybun: I didn't get 98 I was on 97 for days.) | 19:42 |
| valorie | ah well | 19:42 |
| valorie | I dislike snap but do not hate it | 19:42 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Kubuntu also now seeds the snap on the ISO | 19:42 |
| valorie | it is a tool I prefer not to use | 19:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, this wasn't even Canonical's call, it was Mozilla. | 19:42 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Was it? | 19:43 |
| valorie | ? | 19:43 |
| valorie | moz did not want .deb? | 19:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. Mozilla changed the distribution agreement and wanted it as a snap and to manage it directly. | 19:43 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Canonical has been building the deb anyway. | 19:43 |
| Eickmeyer | @ahoneybun Yes, temporarily. | 19:44 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Mm | 19:44 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Fedora is the new Ubuntu haha | 19:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, well, even Mozilla is looking at keeping them from building an RPM and using flatpak as the distribution method there. | 19:45 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> What about Arch? | 19:45 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Like the only way to really stop that would be to not share the source code. | 19:45 |
| Eickmeyer | Don't know, but Mozilla wants direct control over their FF distribution anymore. | 19:45 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> I think Arch ships the mozilla built binary? (re @ahoneybun: What about Arch?) | 19:46 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Well good thing we have a lot of chrome based browsers lol | 19:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Mozilla is shooting themselves in the foot, but it's their call. | 19:46 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> That's true. | 19:47 |
| valorie | @ahoneybun I see | 19:50 |
| valorie | 1) app/org.mozilla.firefox.BaseApp/x86_64/20.08 | 19:50 |
| valorie | 2) app/org.mozilla.firefox.BaseApp/x86_64/21.08 | 19:50 |
| valorie | 3) app/org.mozilla.firefox/x86_64/stable | 19:50 |
| valorie | which is best -- just stable? | 19:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Most likely 3 | 19:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Yep | 19:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I don't know the other ones. | 19:50 |
| valorie | done | 19:50 |
| RikMills | ooooh. I have jellyfish svgs! | 19:51 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Yayay | 19:51 |
| valorie | weeee | 19:52 |
| valorie | I look forward to kewl arts | 19:52 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8e43dced/file_54239.jpg | 19:54 |
| RikMills | forwarded email to @ahoneybun and valorie | 19:58 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> yay | 19:58 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I need to get protonmail to send email as @kubuntu.org | 19:59 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Unless I can get that updated. | 19:59 |
| valorie | thank you, RikMills -- my art never made the jump to my computer, unfortunately | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: \o/ | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: I have a debdiff for you re: bug 1965439, unless you'd rather I jfd the upload. | 20:00 |
| ubottu | Bug 1965439 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Jammy) "Driver manager KCM can no longer launch" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965439 | 20:00 |
| Eickmeyer | Ignore ubottu, it's also a bug in kubuntu-settings. | 20:01 |
| Eickmeyer | @RikMills ^ | 20:04 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> RikMills: do you have colored versions? | 20:05 |
| Eickmeyer | @ahoneybun: I'm guessing one can just get the .svg to do whatever one wants re: colors | 20:06 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Well they usually have some color not just grey | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | It was emailed to flavor leads. | 20:07 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Well Rik forwarded to me. | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Ah, cool. Colorization is easy to do in inkscape. | 20:07 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> All I got was grey (re @ahoneybun: Well they usually have some color not just grey) | 20:08 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: I was going to have a quick did into the driver manager thing myself 1st | 20:09 |
| RikMills | *dig | 20:09 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: Yeah, no worries. Basically, pkexec is broken when called by system-settings, breaking the driver manager thing. | 20:09 |
| Eickmeyer | I tried to use pkexec every which way from Sunday, and using xterm was the only solution that actually worked, which seems weird. | 20:10 |
| Eickmeyer | And software-properties-qt just mocks you if you try to launch it without. | 20:10 |
| RikMills | Yeah, I will likely fail to find another way, but will at least look | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, if you do find a way without using my debdiff, feel free, and let me know so that I can adjust Studio accordingly. | 20:11 |
| RikMills | ack | 20:12 |
| RikMills | opensuse have some similar things to launch their distro tools from systemsettings, so they may have bumped up against something similar with recent policykit | 20:14 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/456755f5/file_54248.jpg | 20:50 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> WIP | 20:50 |
| valorie | @ahoneybun - is it permissible to color the jelly a bit? with say, transparent blue and orange? | 21:06 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I may be able to . | 21:13 |
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