guiverci just saw reference to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Klipper on a reddit question; it was last available according to `rmadison` for trusty; yet the 'discontinued' notice appears to have been removed by tomtomtom from wiki; the discontinued notice appears valid to me10:50
guivercs/reddit/askubuntu ^  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1397973/how-to-install-klipper-what-would-you-suggest-instead-if-the-package-is-not-any10:52
RikMillsguiverc: it still exists. it has just been absorbed on plasma-workspace11:34
guivercokay so fakenews (reason for removal of warning) makes sense..  thanks RikMills 11:34
BluesKajHi all13:00
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> Probably not. We have an unused one as it is (re @ahoneybun: @RikMills would another build server be useful?)13:05
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Ah13:06
EickmeyerIs anybody else having trouble getting driver manager to work in Jammy?17:23
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I thought it was dropped?17:24
Eickmeyer@ahoneybun: The old package was dropped, yes, but in System Settings > Driver Manager it's still a thing so that one can access software-manager-qt via that interface.17:25
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> the sources thing that is linked to from Discover?17:26
EickmeyerNo, this is specifically for the "Additional Drivers" tab in software-manager.17:26
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> It looks like I need to be in the wheel group?17:26
EickmeyerYou should be in wheel as a regular admin.17:27
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Well it says often it is wheel17:27
EickmeyerUnfortunately, that's not a good solution anyhow as it should *just work*.17:27
EickmeyerYeah, it says often it is wheel, which means something in pkexec is off afaict.17:28
EickmeyerThis is *critical* for people installing non-free drivers, such as nvidia or broadcom.17:28
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I haven't rebooted yet after some updates since I had to remove VLC for them to apply.17:30
EickmeyerOh, weird.17:30
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I'm restoring some backups then I can reboot17:30
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Yea vlc-bin was weird. It's like that on my laptop and desktop.17:30
EickmeyerWell, you confirmed the issue. Might have to write a polkit action for it.17:30
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Glad I could confirm it at least.17:30
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I'm up for testing the fix as well.17:31
EickmeyerOk. Well, I'll try to get a pull request or something. The issue is in the kubuntu-settings source package.17:31
EickmeyerHaving the same issue in Studio, so I'll probably get it there first.17:32
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> It's nice having another distro using the Qt installer lol17:32
EickmeyerWell, we're not using Ubiquity because the Ubiquity Qt installer is hardocoded for Kubuntu.17:32
EickmeyerWe're using Calamares.17:33
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Ah I didn't think a flavor could do it tbh.17:33
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Can we pull out snapd from our ISO? lol17:33
EickmeyerOh yes. Lubuntu was using it already.17:33
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Mm17:33
EickmeyerHehehe, I don't think so. Firefox will be a snap, no way around it.17:33
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Is that why I haven't gotten v98 on jammy?17:43
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I have the deb package installed.17:43
mamarleyFor individual users, if you're willing to use the Firefox beta, you can use the deb package from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+packages.  You will need to put "Package: *\nPin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam-firefox-next\nPin-Priority: 700" in your /etc/apt/preferences.d/ to get APT to see it as the latest version though.17:59
mamarleyYou can, of course, also use the official builds from Mozilla, either in release or Beta.17:59
mamarleyFor people like me who don't want any snaps at all.17:59
EickmeyerFYI: It looks like the problem is that software-properties-qt is completely broken.18:42
EickmeyerUnless run with sudo? Weird...18:43
Eickmeyermamarley: That's great and all, but we can't do that for the ISO image.19:09
EickmeyerAnyhow, I have a fix for the driver manager bug, but it'19:09
Eickmeyers ugly and relies on xterm.19:09
valorieif Firefox available as flatpak?19:35
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> It is.19:35
valorieI've had good luck with them (signal, telegram)19:35
valorie@ahoneybun what is the packagename in flatpak?19:35
valorieI guess I would have to uninstall what I have19:36
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> firefox19:36
valoriechrome does not play nice with a few sites like GSoC19:36
valoriesweet! and simple19:37
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> If we have to ship snapd can we just not ship Firefox as a snap?19:38
Eickmeyer@ahoneybun Firefox will not be available as a .deb in Jammy.19:39
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> the flatpak not the deb19:39
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Is that why I haven't gotten an update on jammy?19:40
EickmeyerOh, shipping flatpaks is a no-no per the TB. I tried.19:40
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> TB?19:40
EickmeyerTechnical Board19:40
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Oh ffs19:40
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Back to Arch I go.19:40
valoriewe don't have to ship it19:40
valorieit's available on the hub19:41
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I know but pre-installed is better.19:41
Eickmeyervalorie: But anything from flathub cannot be pre-installed.19:41
EickmeyerPer the TB.19:41
valoriedo we not pre-install?19:41
Eickmeyer(I tried)19:41
valoriewe always have19:41
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> The snap is preinstalled.19:41
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> Yes, as 98 was the last full .deb. The next FF in jammy will be the snap transitional (stuck in proposed at the moment) (re @ahoneybun: Is that why I haven't gotten an update on jammy?)19:41
valorieah, got it19:41
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I didn't get 98 I was on 97 for days.19:41
EickmeyerIn Studio we switched to full seeded snap for FF.19:42
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> Whoops. I mean 97 was the last (re @ahoneybun: I didn't get 98 I was on 97 for days.)19:42
valorieah well19:42
valorieI dislike snap but do not hate it19:42
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> Kubuntu also now seeds the snap on the ISO19:42
valorieit is a tool I prefer not to use19:42
EickmeyerWell, this wasn't even Canonical's call, it was Mozilla.19:42
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Was it?19:43
valoriemoz did not want .deb?19:43
EickmeyerYep. Mozilla changed the distribution agreement and wanted it as a snap and to manage it directly.19:43
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Canonical has been building the deb anyway.19:43
Eickmeyer@ahoneybun Yes, temporarily.19:44
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Mm19:44
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Fedora is the new Ubuntu haha19:44
EickmeyerYeah, well, even Mozilla is looking at keeping them from building an RPM and using flatpak as the distribution method there.19:45
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> What about Arch?19:45
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Like the only way to really stop that would be to not share the source code.19:45
EickmeyerDon't know, but Mozilla wants direct control over their FF distribution anymore.19:45
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> I think Arch ships the mozilla built binary? (re @ahoneybun: What about Arch?)19:46
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Well good thing we have a lot of chrome based browsers lol19:46
EickmeyerMozilla is shooting themselves in the foot, but it's their call.19:46
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> That's true.19:47
valorie@ahoneybun I see 19:50
valorie1) app/org.mozilla.firefox.BaseApp/x86_64/20.0819:50
valorie   2) app/org.mozilla.firefox.BaseApp/x86_64/21.0819:50
valorie   3) app/org.mozilla.firefox/x86_64/stable19:50
valoriewhich is best -- just stable?19:50
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Most likely 319:50
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Yep19:50
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I don't know the other ones.19:50
RikMillsooooh. I have jellyfish svgs!19:51
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Yayay19:51
valorieI look forward to kewl arts19:52
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8e43dced/file_54239.jpg19:54
RikMillsforwarded email to @ahoneybun and valorie 19:58
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> yay19:58
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I need to get protonmail to send email as @kubuntu.org19:59
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Unless I can get that updated.19:59
valoriethank you, RikMills -- my art never made the jump to my computer, unfortunately19:59
EickmeyerRikMills: \o/19:59
EickmeyerRikMills: I have a debdiff for you re: bug 1965439, unless you'd rather I jfd the upload.20:00
ubottuBug 1965439 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Jammy) "Driver manager KCM can no longer launch" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196543920:00
EickmeyerIgnore ubottu, it's also a bug in kubuntu-settings.20:01
Eickmeyer@RikMills ^20:04
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> RikMills: do you have colored versions?20:05
Eickmeyer@ahoneybun: I'm guessing one can just get the .svg to do whatever one wants re: colors20:06
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Well they usually have some color not just grey20:07
EickmeyerIt was emailed to flavor leads.20:07
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Well Rik forwarded to me.20:07
EickmeyerAh, cool. Colorization is easy to do in inkscape.20:07
IrcsomeBot<RikMills> All I got was grey (re @ahoneybun: Well they usually have some color not just grey)20:08
RikMillsEickmeyer: I was going to have a quick did into the driver manager thing myself 1st20:09
EickmeyerRikMills: Yeah, no worries. Basically, pkexec is broken when called by system-settings, breaking the driver manager thing.20:09
EickmeyerI tried to use pkexec every which way from Sunday, and using xterm was the only solution that actually worked, which seems weird.20:10
EickmeyerAnd software-properties-qt just mocks you if you try to launch it without.20:10
RikMillsYeah, I will likely fail to find another way, but will at least look20:11
EickmeyerWell, if you do find a way without using my debdiff, feel free, and let me know so that I can adjust Studio accordingly.20:11
RikMillsopensuse have some similar things to launch their distro tools from systemsettings, so they may have bumped up against something similar with recent policykit20:14
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/456755f5/file_54248.jpg20:50
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> WIP20:50
valorie@ahoneybun - is it permissible to color the jelly a bit? with say, transparent blue and orange?21:06
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I may be able to .21:13

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