[10:50] i just saw reference to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Klipper on a reddit question; it was last available according to `rmadison` for trusty; yet the 'discontinued' notice appears to have been removed by tomtomtom from wiki; the discontinued notice appears valid to me [10:52] s/reddit/askubuntu ^ https://askubuntu.com/questions/1397973/how-to-install-klipper-what-would-you-suggest-instead-if-the-package-is-not-any [11:34] guiverc: it still exists. it has just been absorbed on plasma-workspace [11:34] s/on/into [11:34] okay so fakenews (reason for removal of warning) makes sense.. thanks RikMills [13:00] Hi all [13:05] Probably not. We have an unused one as it is (re @ahoneybun: @RikMills would another build server be useful?) [13:06] Ah [17:23] Is anybody else having trouble getting driver manager to work in Jammy? [17:24] I thought it was dropped? [17:25] @ahoneybun: The old package was dropped, yes, but in System Settings > Driver Manager it's still a thing so that one can access software-manager-qt via that interface. [17:26] the sources thing that is linked to from Discover? [17:26] No, this is specifically for the "Additional Drivers" tab in software-manager. [17:26] It looks like I need to be in the wheel group? [17:27] You should be in wheel as a regular admin. [17:27] Well it says often it is wheel [17:27] Unfortunately, that's not a good solution anyhow as it should *just work*. [17:28] Yeah, it says often it is wheel, which means something in pkexec is off afaict. [17:28] This is *critical* for people installing non-free drivers, such as nvidia or broadcom. [17:30] I haven't rebooted yet after some updates since I had to remove VLC for them to apply. [17:30] Oh, weird. [17:30] I'm restoring some backups then I can reboot [17:30] Yea vlc-bin was weird. It's like that on my laptop and desktop. [17:30] Well, you confirmed the issue. Might have to write a polkit action for it. [17:30] Glad I could confirm it at least. [17:31] I'm up for testing the fix as well. [17:31] Ok. Well, I'll try to get a pull request or something. The issue is in the kubuntu-settings source package. [17:32] Having the same issue in Studio, so I'll probably get it there first. [17:32] It's nice having another distro using the Qt installer lol [17:32] Well, we're not using Ubiquity because the Ubiquity Qt installer is hardocoded for Kubuntu. [17:33] We're using Calamares. [17:33] Ah I didn't think a flavor could do it tbh. [17:33] Can we pull out snapd from our ISO? lol [17:33] Oh yes. Lubuntu was using it already. [17:33] Mm [17:33] Hehehe, I don't think so. Firefox will be a snap, no way around it. [17:43] Is that why I haven't gotten v98 on jammy? [17:43] I have the deb package installed. [17:59] For individual users, if you're willing to use the Firefox beta, you can use the deb package from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+packages. You will need to put "Package: *\nPin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam-firefox-next\nPin-Priority: 700" in your /etc/apt/preferences.d/ to get APT to see it as the latest version though. [17:59] You can, of course, also use the official builds from Mozilla, either in release or Beta. [17:59] For people like me who don't want any snaps at all. [18:42] FYI: It looks like the problem is that software-properties-qt is completely broken. [18:43] Unless run with sudo? Weird... [19:09] mamarley: That's great and all, but we can't do that for the ISO image. [19:09] Anyhow, I have a fix for the driver manager bug, but it' [19:09] s ugly and relies on xterm. [19:35] if Firefox available as flatpak? [19:35] It is. [19:35] I've had good luck with them (signal, telegram) [19:35] @ahoneybun what is the packagename in flatpak? [19:36] I guess I would have to uninstall what I have [19:36] firefox [19:36] chrome does not play nice with a few sites like GSoC [19:36] oddly [19:37] sweet! and simple [19:38] If we have to ship snapd can we just not ship Firefox as a snap? [19:39] @ahoneybun Firefox will not be available as a .deb in Jammy. [19:39] the flatpak not the deb [19:40] Is that why I haven't gotten an update on jammy? [19:40] Oh, shipping flatpaks is a no-no per the TB. I tried. [19:40] TB? [19:40] Technical Board [19:40] Oh ffs [19:40] Back to Arch I go. [19:40] we don't have to ship it [19:41] it's available on the hub [19:41] I know but pre-installed is better. [19:41] valorie: But anything from flathub cannot be pre-installed. [19:41] Per the TB. [19:41] do we not pre-install? [19:41] (I tried) [19:41] we always have [19:41] The snap is preinstalled. [19:41] Yes, as 98 was the last full .deb. The next FF in jammy will be the snap transitional (stuck in proposed at the moment) (re @ahoneybun: Is that why I haven't gotten an update on jammy?) [19:41] ah, got it [19:41] I didn't get 98 I was on 97 for days. [19:42] In Studio we switched to full seeded snap for FF. [19:42] Whoops. I mean 97 was the last (re @ahoneybun: I didn't get 98 I was on 97 for days.) [19:42] ah well [19:42] I dislike snap but do not hate it [19:42] Kubuntu also now seeds the snap on the ISO [19:42] it is a tool I prefer not to use [19:42] Well, this wasn't even Canonical's call, it was Mozilla. [19:43] Was it? [19:43] ? [19:43] moz did not want .deb? [19:43] Yep. Mozilla changed the distribution agreement and wanted it as a snap and to manage it directly. [19:43] Canonical has been building the deb anyway. [19:44] @ahoneybun Yes, temporarily. [19:44] Mm [19:44] Fedora is the new Ubuntu haha [19:45] Yeah, well, even Mozilla is looking at keeping them from building an RPM and using flatpak as the distribution method there. [19:45] What about Arch? [19:45] Like the only way to really stop that would be to not share the source code. [19:45] Don't know, but Mozilla wants direct control over their FF distribution anymore. [19:46] I think Arch ships the mozilla built binary? (re @ahoneybun: What about Arch?) [19:46] Well good thing we have a lot of chrome based browsers lol [19:46] Mozilla is shooting themselves in the foot, but it's their call. [19:47] That's true. [19:50] @ahoneybun I see [19:50] 1) app/org.mozilla.firefox.BaseApp/x86_64/20.08 [19:50] 2) app/org.mozilla.firefox.BaseApp/x86_64/21.08 [19:50] 3) app/org.mozilla.firefox/x86_64/stable [19:50] which is best -- just stable? [19:50] Most likely 3 [19:50] Yep [19:50] I don't know the other ones. [19:50] done [19:51] ooooh. I have jellyfish svgs! [19:51] Yayay [19:52] weeee [19:52] I look forward to kewl arts [19:54] https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8e43dced/file_54239.jpg [19:58] forwarded email to @ahoneybun and valorie [19:58] yay [19:59] I need to get protonmail to send email as @kubuntu.org [19:59] Unless I can get that updated. [19:59] thank you, RikMills -- my art never made the jump to my computer, unfortunately [19:59] RikMills: \o/ [20:00] RikMills: I have a debdiff for you re: bug 1965439, unless you'd rather I jfd the upload. [20:00] Bug 1965439 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Jammy) "Driver manager KCM can no longer launch" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965439 [20:01] Ignore ubottu, it's also a bug in kubuntu-settings. [20:04] @RikMills ^ [20:05] RikMills: do you have colored versions? [20:06] @ahoneybun: I'm guessing one can just get the .svg to do whatever one wants re: colors [20:07] Well they usually have some color not just grey [20:07] It was emailed to flavor leads. [20:07] Well Rik forwarded to me. [20:07] Ah, cool. Colorization is easy to do in inkscape. [20:08] All I got was grey (re @ahoneybun: Well they usually have some color not just grey) [20:09] Eickmeyer: I was going to have a quick did into the driver manager thing myself 1st [20:09] *dig [20:09] RikMills: Yeah, no worries. Basically, pkexec is broken when called by system-settings, breaking the driver manager thing. [20:10] I tried to use pkexec every which way from Sunday, and using xterm was the only solution that actually worked, which seems weird. [20:10] And software-properties-qt just mocks you if you try to launch it without. [20:11] Yeah, I will likely fail to find another way, but will at least look [20:11] Well, if you do find a way without using my debdiff, feel free, and let me know so that I can adjust Studio accordingly. [20:12] ack [20:14] opensuse have some similar things to launch their distro tools from systemsettings, so they may have bumped up against something similar with recent policykit [20:50] https://irc-attachments.kde.org/456755f5/file_54248.jpg [20:50] WIP [21:06] @ahoneybun - is it permissible to color the jelly a bit? with say, transparent blue and orange? [21:13] I may be able to .