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Iamthehuman1Jammy daily is looking real good, except Evolution (Gnome's mail program if I have understood correctly) has mail contents with black font on dark background. (workaround is to paint it and then I can see). To which party should I make a bug report about this?12:22
EickmeyerIamthehuman1: As far as I know, Evolution has an option to *not* change the background on emails to dark. Try that first.15:20
EickmeyerIamthehuman1: Also, a bug report probably won't do much good because the evolution developers only care about GNOME, so it'll get marked as "won't fix" faster than you can imagine.15:21
* MauroGaspari[m] uploaded an image: (57KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QVAtEtGScrKoCcZQsDHjFpQl/evolution-theming.png >15:21
Eickmeyer^ There you go.15:22
EickmeyerIamthehuman1: Don't be so quick to assume it's a bug. :)15:22
MauroGaspari[m]Eickmeyer: is right. This is what you want to disable Iamthehuman1 so that Evolution does not inherit DE themes15:22
Iamthehuman1MauroGaspari[m]: thank you. but there is a problem, that checkbox was unticked, ticking it changes nothing afaik15:24
MauroGaspari[m]<Iamthehuman1> "Mauro Gaspari: thank you. but..." <- Hmm are you using Ubuntu Studio or other flavours?15:48
MauroGaspari[m]In Ubuntu Studio there could be an additional layer of theming to check. Since Evolution is a GTK application, you might need to fiddle a bit with GTK specific themes used in Ubuntu Studio and you should be able to find one that works well. You might or might not need to relog after changes. 15:49
MauroGaspari[m]Eickmeyer am I on the right track?15:49
Iamthehuman1MauroGaspari[m]: I'm on Jammy daily from 2022-02-2415:49
EickmeyerMauroGaspari[m]: Not exactly. I just tried to reproduce Iamthehuman1's issue and I cannot.15:50
Eickmeyer[m]It's in Mail Preferences.15:51
Iamthehuman1I'll try and look into this more.. this behaviour exhibits in only some emails, sorry about not mentioning that before15:51
* Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: Tick the box where my mouse cursor is pointed, Iamahuman4 . (79KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KRyFfqQFkfmASBhSaGHWRtKz >15:52
Eickmeyer[m]Look where my mouse cursor is pointed. That's the one you need.15:53
Iamthehuman1Eickmeyer[m]: that was unticked when I first looked at it to change it15:53
Eickmeyer[m]Tick it.15:53
Iamthehuman1more info: I did an export-import thing from the Evolution in the old system15:53
Eickmeyer[m]Irrelevant.15:54
MauroGaspari[m]Eickmeyer: ahh that setting is not there on Evolution in my 21.10. Interesting15:54
Iamthehuman1Ok I ticked it, no apparent effect, I restarted Evolution, still no observable change15:55
Eickmeyer[m]Weird, I can't reproduce.15:56
MauroGaspari[m]Iamthehuman1: just for humor, what happens if you change your DE theme to something completely different and relog?15:56
Iamthehuman1Appearance -> Global Theme ? That doesn't even need a logout-login to take effect, the light ones are ok but too much incoming light for my eyes, and the new default dark-ish theme is just so good, save a few glitches like this15:59
Iamthehuman1no, actually switching to a light theme the Evolution remains dark16:00
Eickmeyer[m]Iamthehuman1: There's a known glitch in the theming for GTK apps. Go to Appearance > Colors and switch it to something else, apply, then switch it back to Ubuntu Studio Dark. That should do the trick.16:02
Eickmeyer[m]For anyone watching, those were ghost accounts on the Matrix side. :)16:03
MauroGaspari[m]Eickmeyer[m]: Ghost accounts... Scary! 😱16:05
Eickmeyer[m]👻16:05
Iamthehuman1Thanks Eickmeyer[m], that combination of ticking the box and switching colors back and forth and restarting Evolution and I cannot see any emails with black on very dark font16:08
MauroGaspari[m]Eickmeyer: is the best! 16:09
Iamthehuman1I would prefer my emails black on white, but for the rest the Jammy is so eye friendly. Could I have Evolution in light theme, but all else as preconfiged?16:09
EickmeyerThe thing here is that GNOME devs don't like anyone theming their apps, so what you're asking is impossible.16:10
EickmeyerI know how to do that for Qt apps, but not for GTK.16:10
MauroGaspari[m]Yep especially now, if you try and run any of the latest GNOME based distros, all you can do is globally switch between light and dark. and maybe accent colors.16:11
MauroGaspari[m]Even with Ubuntu Budgie, we have to fight against upstream to keep basic theming working. 16:11
Iamthehuman1Thunderbird has trackers in it, Claws mail is otherwise great software, but doesn't cache messages offline for rapid searching and that turned out to be a bit of a problem. Claws-mail has a great GUI feature: Got 3 numbers: Messages, unread messages, and new messages since last looked at that box. Love that feature16:12
MauroGaspari[m]Eickmeyer: is probably very happy to have switched Ubuntu Studio to Plasma. 😄16:12
corrinado[m]> <@ilvipero:matrix.org> Yep especially now, if you try and run any of the latest GNOME based distros, all you can do is globally switch between light and dark. and maybe accent colors.16:14
corrinado[m]> Even with Ubuntu Budgie, we have to fight against upstream to keep basic theming working.16:14
corrinado[m]Not to be too off-topic here: But my god Budgie is looking great these days. I hadn't run in a while and spun it up as a possibility for a friend's laptop and was impressed with the ton of work. Y'all deserve a beer or three.16:14
MauroGaspari[m]I still use Studio Installer with all the Ubuntu Studio goodies, cannot live without it after I tried years ago. I blame OvenWerks and Eickmeyer 🥳🎉🤣16:15
corrinado[m]Yeah. I hope those two have heard my praise enough! I cannot imagine the amount of extra work it took to swap DE directions. But seeing 21.10 I have nothing but praise for the team. They are on a solid foundation; hopefully with fewer restraints as they charge forward16:19
Eickmeyer[m]<corrinado[m]> "Yeah. I hope those two have..." <- It took a month of solid work while I was unemployed to make the switch work, and even then Xfce wasn't completely removed.16:26
corrinado[m]From where we stand now, I have confidence in your decision Eickmeyer . TBH, DEs don't really matter to me as through work I can learn/work with almost anything. But fundamentally I was convinced that a lot of the performance US displayed was  a direct benefit of the XFCE base. Boy was I wrong. I'm looking forward to doing a fresh re-load on 22.04 once it drops. Good time to be a fan.16:29
MauroGaspari[m]corrinado: one thing I love about Ubuntu ecosystem, lots of great people working together. Kubuntu does heavy lifting for Plasma. And Ubuntu Studio offers Studio Installer to all Flavours. I am sure there are other examples of that. that's awesome16:31

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