| Iamthehuman1 | Jammy daily is looking real good, except Evolution (Gnome's mail program if I have understood correctly) has mail contents with black font on dark background. (workaround is to paint it and then I can see). To which party should I make a bug report about this? | 12:22 |
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| Eickmeyer | Iamthehuman1: As far as I know, Evolution has an option to *not* change the background on emails to dark. Try that first. | 15:20 |
| Eickmeyer | Iamthehuman1: Also, a bug report probably won't do much good because the evolution developers only care about GNOME, so it'll get marked as "won't fix" faster than you can imagine. | 15:21 |
| * MauroGaspari[m] uploaded an image: (57KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QVAtEtGScrKoCcZQsDHjFpQl/evolution-theming.png > | 15:21 | |
| Eickmeyer | ^ There you go. | 15:22 |
| Eickmeyer | Iamthehuman1: Don't be so quick to assume it's a bug. :) | 15:22 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Eickmeyer: is right. This is what you want to disable Iamthehuman1 so that Evolution does not inherit DE themes | 15:22 |
| Iamthehuman1 | MauroGaspari[m]: thank you. but there is a problem, that checkbox was unticked, ticking it changes nothing afaik | 15:24 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | <Iamthehuman1> "Mauro Gaspari: thank you. but..." <- Hmm are you using Ubuntu Studio or other flavours? | 15:48 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | In Ubuntu Studio there could be an additional layer of theming to check. Since Evolution is a GTK application, you might need to fiddle a bit with GTK specific themes used in Ubuntu Studio and you should be able to find one that works well. You might or might not need to relog after changes. | 15:49 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Eickmeyer am I on the right track? | 15:49 |
| Iamthehuman1 | MauroGaspari[m]: I'm on Jammy daily from 2022-02-24 | 15:49 |
| Eickmeyer | MauroGaspari[m]: Not exactly. I just tried to reproduce Iamthehuman1's issue and I cannot. | 15:50 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | It's in Mail Preferences. | 15:51 |
| Iamthehuman1 | I'll try and look into this more.. this behaviour exhibits in only some emails, sorry about not mentioning that before | 15:51 |
| * Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: Tick the box where my mouse cursor is pointed, Iamahuman4 . (79KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KRyFfqQFkfmASBhSaGHWRtKz > | 15:52 | |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Look where my mouse cursor is pointed. That's the one you need. | 15:53 |
| Iamthehuman1 | Eickmeyer[m]: that was unticked when I first looked at it to change it | 15:53 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Tick it. | 15:53 |
| Iamthehuman1 | more info: I did an export-import thing from the Evolution in the old system | 15:53 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Irrelevant. | 15:54 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Eickmeyer: ahh that setting is not there on Evolution in my 21.10. Interesting | 15:54 |
| Iamthehuman1 | Ok I ticked it, no apparent effect, I restarted Evolution, still no observable change | 15:55 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Weird, I can't reproduce. | 15:56 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Iamthehuman1: just for humor, what happens if you change your DE theme to something completely different and relog? | 15:56 |
| Iamthehuman1 | Appearance -> Global Theme ? That doesn't even need a logout-login to take effect, the light ones are ok but too much incoming light for my eyes, and the new default dark-ish theme is just so good, save a few glitches like this | 15:59 |
| Iamthehuman1 | no, actually switching to a light theme the Evolution remains dark | 16:00 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Iamthehuman1: There's a known glitch in the theming for GTK apps. Go to Appearance > Colors and switch it to something else, apply, then switch it back to Ubuntu Studio Dark. That should do the trick. | 16:02 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | For anyone watching, those were ghost accounts on the Matrix side. :) | 16:03 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Eickmeyer[m]: Ghost accounts... Scary! 😱 | 16:05 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | 👻 | 16:05 |
| Iamthehuman1 | Thanks Eickmeyer[m], that combination of ticking the box and switching colors back and forth and restarting Evolution and I cannot see any emails with black on very dark font | 16:08 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Eickmeyer: is the best! | 16:09 |
| Iamthehuman1 | I would prefer my emails black on white, but for the rest the Jammy is so eye friendly. Could I have Evolution in light theme, but all else as preconfiged? | 16:09 |
| Eickmeyer | The thing here is that GNOME devs don't like anyone theming their apps, so what you're asking is impossible. | 16:10 |
| Eickmeyer | I know how to do that for Qt apps, but not for GTK. | 16:10 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Yep especially now, if you try and run any of the latest GNOME based distros, all you can do is globally switch between light and dark. and maybe accent colors. | 16:11 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Even with Ubuntu Budgie, we have to fight against upstream to keep basic theming working. | 16:11 |
| Iamthehuman1 | Thunderbird has trackers in it, Claws mail is otherwise great software, but doesn't cache messages offline for rapid searching and that turned out to be a bit of a problem. Claws-mail has a great GUI feature: Got 3 numbers: Messages, unread messages, and new messages since last looked at that box. Love that feature | 16:12 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | Eickmeyer: is probably very happy to have switched Ubuntu Studio to Plasma. 😄 | 16:12 |
| corrinado[m] | > <@ilvipero:matrix.org> Yep especially now, if you try and run any of the latest GNOME based distros, all you can do is globally switch between light and dark. and maybe accent colors. | 16:14 |
| corrinado[m] | > Even with Ubuntu Budgie, we have to fight against upstream to keep basic theming working. | 16:14 |
| corrinado[m] | Not to be too off-topic here: But my god Budgie is looking great these days. I hadn't run in a while and spun it up as a possibility for a friend's laptop and was impressed with the ton of work. Y'all deserve a beer or three. | 16:14 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | I still use Studio Installer with all the Ubuntu Studio goodies, cannot live without it after I tried years ago. I blame OvenWerks and Eickmeyer 🥳🎉🤣 | 16:15 |
| corrinado[m] | Yeah. I hope those two have heard my praise enough! I cannot imagine the amount of extra work it took to swap DE directions. But seeing 21.10 I have nothing but praise for the team. They are on a solid foundation; hopefully with fewer restraints as they charge forward | 16:19 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | <corrinado[m]> "Yeah. I hope those two have..." <- It took a month of solid work while I was unemployed to make the switch work, and even then Xfce wasn't completely removed. | 16:26 |
| corrinado[m] | From where we stand now, I have confidence in your decision Eickmeyer . TBH, DEs don't really matter to me as through work I can learn/work with almost anything. But fundamentally I was convinced that a lot of the performance US displayed was a direct benefit of the XFCE base. Boy was I wrong. I'm looking forward to doing a fresh re-load on 22.04 once it drops. Good time to be a fan. | 16:29 |
| MauroGaspari[m] | corrinado: one thing I love about Ubuntu ecosystem, lots of great people working together. Kubuntu does heavy lifting for Plasma. And Ubuntu Studio offers Studio Installer to all Flavours. I am sure there are other examples of that. that's awesome | 16:31 |
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