[12:22] <Iamthehuman1> Jammy daily is looking real good, except Evolution (Gnome's mail program if I have understood correctly) has mail contents with black font on dark background. (workaround is to paint it and then I can see). To which party should I make a bug report about this?
[15:20] <Eickmeyer> Iamthehuman1: As far as I know, Evolution has an option to *not* change the background on emails to dark. Try that first.
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> Iamthehuman1: Also, a bug report probably won't do much good because the evolution developers only care about GNOME, so it'll get marked as "won't fix" faster than you can imagine.
[15:21]  * MauroGaspari[m] uploaded an image: (57KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QVAtEtGScrKoCcZQsDHjFpQl/evolution-theming.png >
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> ^ There you go.
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> Iamthehuman1: Don't be so quick to assume it's a bug. :)
[15:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: is right. This is what you want to disable Iamthehuman1 so that Evolution does not inherit DE themes
[15:24] <Iamthehuman1> MauroGaspari[m]: thank you. but there is a problem, that checkbox was unticked, ticking it changes nothing afaik
 "Mauro Gaspari: thank you. but..." <- Hmm are you using Ubuntu Studio or other flavours?
[15:49] <MauroGaspari[m]> In Ubuntu Studio there could be an additional layer of theming to check. Since Evolution is a GTK application, you might need to fiddle a bit with GTK specific themes used in Ubuntu Studio and you should be able to find one that works well. You might or might not need to relog after changes. 
[15:49] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer am I on the right track?
[15:49] <Iamthehuman1> MauroGaspari[m]: I'm on Jammy daily from 2022-02-24
[15:50] <Eickmeyer> MauroGaspari[m]: Not exactly. I just tried to reproduce Iamthehuman1's issue and I cannot.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's in Mail Preferences.
[15:51] <Iamthehuman1> I'll try and look into this more.. this behaviour exhibits in only some emails, sorry about not mentioning that before
[15:52]  * Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: Tick the box where my mouse cursor is pointed, Iamahuman4 . (79KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KRyFfqQFkfmASBhSaGHWRtKz >
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Look where my mouse cursor is pointed. That's the one you need.
[15:53] <Iamthehuman1> Eickmeyer[m]: that was unticked when I first looked at it to change it
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Tick it.
[15:53] <Iamthehuman1> more info: I did an export-import thing from the Evolution in the old system
[15:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Irrelevant.
[15:54] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: ahh that setting is not there on Evolution in my 21.10. Interesting
[15:55] <Iamthehuman1> Ok I ticked it, no apparent effect, I restarted Evolution, still no observable change
[15:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Weird, I can't reproduce.
[15:56] <MauroGaspari[m]> Iamthehuman1: just for humor, what happens if you change your DE theme to something completely different and relog?
[15:59] <Iamthehuman1> Appearance -> Global Theme ? That doesn't even need a logout-login to take effect, the light ones are ok but too much incoming light for my eyes, and the new default dark-ish theme is just so good, save a few glitches like this
[16:00] <Iamthehuman1> no, actually switching to a light theme the Evolution remains dark
[16:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Iamthehuman1: There's a known glitch in the theming for GTK apps. Go to Appearance > Colors and switch it to something else, apply, then switch it back to Ubuntu Studio Dark. That should do the trick.
[16:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> For anyone watching, those were ghost accounts on the Matrix side. :)
[16:05] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Ghost accounts... Scary! 😱
[16:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> 👻
[16:08] <Iamthehuman1> Thanks Eickmeyer[m], that combination of ticking the box and switching colors back and forth and restarting Evolution and I cannot see any emails with black on very dark font
[16:09] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: is the best! 
[16:09] <Iamthehuman1> I would prefer my emails black on white, but for the rest the Jammy is so eye friendly. Could I have Evolution in light theme, but all else as preconfiged?
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> The thing here is that GNOME devs don't like anyone theming their apps, so what you're asking is impossible.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> I know how to do that for Qt apps, but not for GTK.
[16:11] <MauroGaspari[m]> Yep especially now, if you try and run any of the latest GNOME based distros, all you can do is globally switch between light and dark. and maybe accent colors.
[16:11] <MauroGaspari[m]> Even with Ubuntu Budgie, we have to fight against upstream to keep basic theming working. 
[16:12] <Iamthehuman1> Thunderbird has trackers in it, Claws mail is otherwise great software, but doesn't cache messages offline for rapid searching and that turned out to be a bit of a problem. Claws-mail has a great GUI feature: Got 3 numbers: Messages, unread messages, and new messages since last looked at that box. Love that feature
[16:12] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: is probably very happy to have switched Ubuntu Studio to Plasma. 😄
[16:14] <corrinado[m]> > <@ilvipero:matrix.org> Yep especially now, if you try and run any of the latest GNOME based distros, all you can do is globally switch between light and dark. and maybe accent colors.
[16:14] <corrinado[m]> > Even with Ubuntu Budgie, we have to fight against upstream to keep basic theming working.
[16:14] <corrinado[m]> Not to be too off-topic here: But my god Budgie is looking great these days. I hadn't run in a while and spun it up as a possibility for a friend's laptop and was impressed with the ton of work. Y'all deserve a beer or three.
[16:15] <MauroGaspari[m]> I still use Studio Installer with all the Ubuntu Studio goodies, cannot live without it after I tried years ago. I blame OvenWerks and Eickmeyer 🥳🎉🤣
[16:19] <corrinado[m]> Yeah. I hope those two have heard my praise enough! I cannot imagine the amount of extra work it took to swap DE directions. But seeing 21.10 I have nothing but praise for the team. They are on a solid foundation; hopefully with fewer restraints as they charge forward
 "Yeah. I hope those two have..." <- It took a month of solid work while I was unemployed to make the switch work, and even then Xfce wasn't completely removed.
[16:29] <corrinado[m]> From where we stand now, I have confidence in your decision Eickmeyer . TBH, DEs don't really matter to me as through work I can learn/work with almost anything. But fundamentally I was convinced that a lot of the performance US displayed was  a direct benefit of the XFCE base. Boy was I wrong. I'm looking forward to doing a fresh re-load on 22.04 once it drops. Good time to be a fan.
[16:31] <MauroGaspari[m]> corrinado: one thing I love about Ubuntu ecosystem, lots of great people working together. Kubuntu does heavy lifting for Plasma. And Ubuntu Studio offers Studio Installer to all Flavours. I am sure there are other examples of that. that's awesome