| tmus | looks like Jammy is going to be released with a broken firefox afterall (stuff like gnome extensions website does not work), so that leaves us with installing Chrome instead, which cannot be good for anyone. Is a fix for the firefox snap coming before release? | 03:07 |
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| guiverc | tmus, there is plenty of time to fix... myself I'm not worried about firefox; the deb+snap on a number of ISOs does worry me a little; there is a bug for it but it's wrongly tagged (as to cause) & I'm worried it'll be missed b/c of incorrect blame... but we're still in alpha | 03:19 |
| tmus | guiverc, fingers crossed but not holding my breath. seems like "one of those decisions" | 03:20 |
| guiverc | whatever is causing the deb+snap to appear on some ISOs maybe complicating other firefox issues that weren't impacting releases for week+ | 03:20 |
| tmus | yeah... not sure what to make of that | 03:21 |
| guiverc | i also suspect when that is fixed; we're all using the snap we'll start noticing more things.. eg. myself & other jammy users are using deb packages as they've not been replaced.. | 03:21 |
| guiverc | more eyes; more 'affects me too' on bug reports & issues tend to get fixed faster.. | 03:21 |
| tmus | guiverc, good point | 03:22 |
| ravage | for now im happy with my new blue accent color and will see what the future brings for my firefox :D | 03:24 |
| guiverc | thanks too ravage :) (main #ubuntu) | 03:24 |
| tmus | I usually upgrade my main workstation at least on beta release date... this time I will probably have to pace myself a bit, hoping all these things are ironed out. | 03:24 |
| guiverc | accent color? as in recent gnome changes??? (I read a omg article; haven't remember to login using gnome to see it!) | 03:25 |
| tmus | I always flip to vanilla gnome, so no accent goodies for me | 03:25 |
| ravage | oh yes | 03:25 |
| ravage | i love it :DF | 03:25 |
| ravage | https://imgur.com/a/1Eh3HB7 | 03:26 |
| guiverc | :) yeah I wanted to look since my saturday !!!! You're pushing me more to logout & switch to GNOME/Ubuntu-desktop | 03:27 |
| ravage | tmus: upgraded my work desktop. kind of a brave decision. but so far no major problems. wanted to reinstall on release anyway. ZFS encrypted root fits well with my other zpools i alredy have | 03:29 |
| ravage | still have my work laptop with 20.04 in case sh*t hits the fan :D | 03:30 |
| guiverc | yeah I can't currently see that; but I'm not running GNOME-Shell which I think alteres what gnome-control-center will let me see/play with | 03:30 |
| ravage | guiverc: updates for gnome-control-center came with it yres | 03:31 |
| ravage | *yes | 03:31 |
| tmus | Usually the LTS releases are pretty solid, so hopefully the issues are fixed before or shortly after release. The firefox/snap thing is the only problem I have with it | 03:32 |
| ravage | yeah i like to manage my extenstion in firefox too | 03:33 |
| guiverc | we've still a week before beta.. I think jammy looks good | 03:33 |
| ravage | except the new installer debacle. but that not exclusivly jammy. will be a problem for my automated installations maybe | 03:34 |
| ravage | i just dont like it :) | 03:34 |
| ravage | installer as in automated installations | 03:35 |
| ravage | the desktop installer worked ok for me :D | 03:35 |
| tmus | only thought the desktop installer changed? did the server installer change too? | 03:35 |
| ravage | they replaces the d-i with that new thing | 03:36 |
| ravage | i think it is horrible :D | 03:36 |
| ravage | https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html at least tries to give some pointers | 03:37 |
| ravage | i would have never managed to find all that out with the official "documentation" | 03:37 |
| * guiverc is going to logout & switch to GNOME; me gots to see the accent/shading changes for myself | 03:37 | |
| ravage | :) | 03:37 |
| tmus | will check out the server stuff tomorrow.... good talk guys. thanks for the input. :) | 03:38 |
| tmus | aah yes. subiquity. apart from having to manually remove cloud-init on new installations (or it messes stuff up), i have gotten pretty used to that one | 03:40 |
| ravage | i will give it another shot on release. i handle bare metal installs mostly and for that the old installer did a great job | 03:43 |
| ravage | for now i replaced it with a bash script and debootstrap. will deal with that after release | 03:43 |
| ravage | for now it installs | 03:43 |
| guiverc | yeah gnome-control-center is offering me extra options now that I'm running GNOME & not LXQt | 03:44 |
| ravage | guiverc: new wallpapers too? :) | 03:59 |
| guiverc | yeah I just changed mine; that I'd already looked at (DE doesn't matter... I've also every flavors packages installed) | 04:00 |
| ravage | they look nice but i really fell in love with the AI generated ones | 04:00 |
| guiverc | What have ubuntu-mate, Lubuntu & Ubuntu Desktop Canary have in common that causes firefox to be installed as deb+snap.. | 06:12 |
| guiverc | Anyone able to point out the Ubuntu Desktop CANARY seed? I'm not seeing it here - https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ | 06:15 |
| * guiverc found canary detail awhile ago | 06:33 | |
| alkisg | Hmm, is canary the new word for "nightly"? I see even google uses that... | 06:47 |
| alkisg | What differences does it have from the other variants? | 06:49 |
| guiverc | canary relates to the new-desktop-installer; different ISO to the default (which has ubiquity) | 07:31 |
| guiverc | alkisg, ^ | 07:31 |
| alkisg | And I guess it's only for gnome currently? | 07:31 |
| alkisg | If the new installer is in snap format, eh, I'll pass :D | 07:32 |
| oerheks | Canary desktop image .. https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-canary/current/ | 07:33 |
| oerheks | ..The desktop image allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all, ... | 07:33 |
| oerheks | live mode? | 07:33 |
| guiverc | yeah; normal daily of ubuntu-desktop installs only firefox as snap; canary has both?? Lubuntu daily had firefox as snap a short while; then deb re-appeared... | 07:34 |
| guiverc | oerheks, my QA-testing today was live only | 07:34 |
| oerheks | it is new to me .. | 07:37 |
| lotuspsychje_ | ravage: when picking a folder colour, my hexchat tabs are white, you got that too? | 07:43 |
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| ravage | Yep I saw that too | 07:44 |
| ravage | Seems to cause some trouble with the colors in other apps | 07:45 |
| ravage | Thought it was something I did | 07:46 |
| ravage | But if you have that too it must be related to the color scheme | 07:47 |
| guiverc | yeah me too (white background on hexchat) - but hexchat is GTK2 themed so it didn't worry me | 07:48 |
| lotuspsychje | looks pretty ugly to me | 07:50 |
| lotuspsychje | and that should not affect hexchat right? | 07:50 |
| lotuspsychje | https://imgur.com/a/rdNbJTF | 07:51 |
| ravage | it looks wrong | 07:51 |
| ravage | exactly the same here | 07:51 |
| lotuspsychje | oh i see now, when opening gnome-tweaks its showing tons of the colours themes now | 07:52 |
| guiverc | other than my tabs being far-left; same here... but I've seen it before & I know I can fix it (GTK2 theme issue I believe) | 07:52 |
| lotuspsychje | instead of my yaru-dark its yaru-magenta-dark | 07:53 |
| ravage | blue-dark here | 07:53 |
| ravage | but same result | 07:53 |
| * guiverc is heading out for dinner.. back in a few hours | 07:53 | |
| ravage | looks fine in the usual dark theme | 07:53 |
| lotuspsychje | should we file a bug against? | 07:53 |
| lotuspsychje | bon apetit guiverc | 07:53 |
| ravage | yes i think that should be at least looked at | 07:54 |
| ravage | hexchat cant be the only app with strange effects here | 07:54 |
| ravage | well | 07:55 |
| ravage | i think they knew something was up | 07:55 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: wich app did you got troubles on? | 07:55 |
| ravage | change "legacy applications" | 07:55 |
| ravage | and everything is fine again :) | 07:55 |
| ravage | (in gnome tweaks) | 07:55 |
| ravage | but there should be maybe a way to do that without gnome-tweaks in the release | 07:56 |
| lotuspsychje | aha yeah | 07:56 |
| lotuspsychje | got yaru-dark now, with magenta folders | 07:56 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme open a few apps to see | 07:58 |
| ravage | gnome-tweaks seems to be a legacy app too :) | 07:59 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: i also got a 2sec delay on clicking apreance tab | 07:59 |
| ravage | no delay here | 08:00 |
| ravage | but all apps seem to be legacy really | 08:00 |
| ravage | when i set yaru-dark as legacy everthing uses that | 08:01 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: yeah, but at least when picking a color, the apps should be readable right | 08:01 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: so far its on hexchat, and screensaver demo settings whitey unreadable | 08:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: https://imgur.com/a/2zMEKXd | 08:03 |
| lotuspsychje | that should not happen right? | 08:03 |
| ravage | i think so too | 08:04 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: getting this when clicking apareances tab and picking a color https://dpaste.org/eN9a | 08:08 |
| ravage | no messages here and no delay | 08:10 |
| ravage | but all colors except the default orange one cause the problem with the white borders/buttons | 08:10 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah indeed | 08:11 |
| lotuspsychje | gonna file some bugs | 08:13 |
| ravage | thanks. you already have some experience with that | 08:15 |
| ravage | happy too mark is as affected when you opened them :D | 08:15 |
| lotuspsychje | sure thing ravage | 08:16 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: bug #1965659 | 08:26 |
| ubottu | Bug 1965659 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu) "Yaru color themes make some apps unreadable white" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965659 | 08:26 |
| ravage | nice | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: any color i pick i can trigger https://dpaste.org/eN9a this error with journalctl -f | 08:30 |
| ravage | oh i just started the settings app in terminal | 08:31 |
| ravage | yes i have that in the log too | 08:31 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme file one for that too | 08:32 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: i also got ahuge spam of these random | 08:32 |
| lotuspsychje | mrt 20 09:31:42 R00TB00K gnome-shell[3452]: Object 0x7f88f4004350 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management. | 08:32 |
| lotuspsychje | mrt 20 09:31:42 R00TB00K gnome-shell[3452]: Object 0x7f896c0f3c40 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management. | 08:32 |
| lotuspsychje | mrt 20 09:31:42 R00TB00K gnome-shell[3452]: Object 0x7f896c0f3c40 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management. | 08:32 |
| ravage | nope. nothing in my log about that :) | 08:33 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1965662 | 08:40 |
| ubottu | Bug 1965662 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell[3452]: Unhandled promise rejection" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965662 | 08:40 |
| ravage | and confirmed :) | 08:40 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx ravage | 08:40 |
| ravage | thank you for doing the actual work :D | 08:40 |
| lotuspsychje | : ) | 08:43 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl | 08:45 |
| lotuspsychje | ravage: seems like its a known issue already, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/5147 | 12:30 |
| ubottu | Issue 5147 in GNOME/gnome-shell "[42 regression] Lots of 'Object 0x557aa9440850 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management.' in the gnome-shell journal" [Closed] | 12:30 |
| lotuspsychje | there | 12:38 |
| lotuspsychje | bug #1965673 | 12:38 |
| ubottu | Bug 1965673 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Object 0x557aa9440850 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965673 | 12:38 |
| PaulW2U | lotuspsychje: re your last bug, I'm seeing that too so confirmed on Launchpad | 12:47 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx a lot PaulW2U | 12:47 |
| lotuspsychje | weird ravage doesnt see those | 12:48 |
| lotuspsychje | should be a gnome 42 beta thing | 12:48 |
| PaulW2U | I've about 20 entries in journal in last 10 minutes | 12:49 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah its real spammy | 12:49 |
| lotuspsychje | did you get your your monitor bug sorted more PaulW2U ? | 12:50 |
| PaulW2U | No. I've reverted to using a single screen for now | 12:50 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 12:50 |
| Chunkyz | so close to release, so many bugs. :-/ | 12:52 |
| PaulW2U | Are you seeing the mouse pointer go very slow when changing settings or unlocking a locked screen? | 12:52 |
| PaulW2U | Chunkyz: Yes, Desktop Team have a lot of work to do in the next 4 or 5 weeks | 12:53 |
| lotuspsychje | PaulW2U: im geting choky mouse on clicking systemsettings/appereance | 12:54 |
| lotuspsychje | and another choke on picking a yaru color theme | 12:55 |
| PaulW2U | I'm not sure that's been reported yet | 12:56 |
| lotuspsychje | yes, i reported a bug related to an error PaulW2U | 12:57 |
| lotuspsychje | PaulW2U: bug #1965662 | 12:57 |
| ubottu | Bug 1965662 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell[3452]: Unhandled promise rejection" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1965662 | 12:57 |
| PaulW2U | I've +1'd and subscribed to that one | 12:58 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx mate | 12:59 |
| PaulW2U | Looking back in journal I've been seeing that since last November | 13:00 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme check that from a locked screen | 13:01 |
| lotuspsychje | PaulW2U: locking/unlocking screen 2 times, log back in feels like an early wayland stuttering to me https://dpaste.org/kyMu | 13:04 |
| PaulW2U | I'm finding it much worse resuming from suspend. Didn't see this before upgrading to 42 beta. | 13:06 |
| lotuspsychje | suspends feels sane on my side | 13:08 |
| lotuspsychje | just pretty noisy on logs | 13:09 |
| lotuspsychje | -walkabout | 13:54 |
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