[03:07] <tmus> looks like Jammy is going to be released with a broken firefox afterall (stuff like gnome extensions website does not work), so that leaves us with installing Chrome instead, which cannot be good for anyone. Is a fix for the firefox snap coming before release?
[03:19] <guiverc> tmus, there is plenty of time to fix... myself I'm not worried about firefox; the deb+snap on a number of ISOs does worry me a little; there is a bug for it but it's wrongly tagged (as to cause) & I'm worried it'll be missed b/c of incorrect blame... but we're still in alpha
[03:20] <tmus> guiverc, fingers crossed but not holding my breath. seems like "one of those decisions"
[03:20] <guiverc> whatever is causing the deb+snap to appear on some ISOs maybe complicating other firefox issues that weren't impacting releases for week+
[03:21] <tmus> yeah... not sure what to make of that
[03:21] <guiverc> i also suspect when that is fixed; we're all using the snap we'll start noticing more things.. eg. myself & other jammy users are using deb packages as they've not been replaced..
[03:21] <guiverc> more eyes; more 'affects me too' on bug reports & issues tend to get fixed faster..
[03:22] <tmus> guiverc, good point
[03:24] <ravage> for now im happy with my new blue accent color and will see what the future brings for my firefox :D
[03:24] <guiverc> thanks too ravage :)  (main #ubuntu)
[03:24] <tmus> I usually upgrade my main workstation at least on beta release date... this time I will probably have to pace myself a bit, hoping all these things are ironed out.
[03:25] <guiverc> accent color?  as in recent gnome changes???  (I read a omg article; haven't remember to login using gnome to see it!)
[03:25] <tmus> I always flip to vanilla gnome, so no accent goodies for me
[03:25] <ravage> oh yes
[03:25] <ravage> i love it :DF
[03:26] <ravage> https://imgur.com/a/1Eh3HB7
[03:27] <guiverc> :)  yeah I wanted to look since my saturday !!!!  You're pushing me more to logout & switch to GNOME/Ubuntu-desktop
[03:29] <ravage> tmus: upgraded my work desktop. kind of a brave decision. but so far no major problems. wanted to reinstall on release anyway. ZFS encrypted root fits well with my other zpools i alredy have 
[03:30] <ravage> still have my work laptop with 20.04 in case sh*t hits the fan :D
[03:30] <guiverc> yeah I can't currently see that; but I'm not running GNOME-Shell which I think alteres what gnome-control-center will let me see/play with
[03:31] <ravage> guiverc: updates for gnome-control-center came with it yres
[03:31] <ravage> *yes
[03:32] <tmus> Usually the LTS releases are pretty solid, so hopefully the issues are fixed before or shortly after release. The firefox/snap thing is the only problem I have with it
[03:33] <ravage> yeah i like to manage my extenstion in firefox too
[03:33] <guiverc> we've still a week before beta.. I think jammy looks good
[03:34] <ravage> except the new installer debacle. but that not exclusivly jammy. will be a problem for my automated installations maybe
[03:34] <ravage> i just dont like it :)
[03:35] <ravage> installer as in automated installations
[03:35] <ravage> the desktop installer worked ok for me :D
[03:35] <tmus> only thought the desktop installer changed? did the server installer change too?
[03:36] <ravage> they replaces the d-i with that new thing
[03:36] <ravage> i think it is horrible :D
[03:37] <ravage> https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html at least tries to give some pointers
[03:37] <ravage> i would have never managed to find all that out with the official "documentation"
[03:37]  * guiverc is going to logout & switch to GNOME; me gots to see the accent/shading changes for myself
[03:37] <ravage> :)
[03:38] <tmus> will check out the server stuff tomorrow.... good talk guys. thanks for the input. :)
[03:40] <tmus> aah yes. subiquity. apart from having to manually remove cloud-init on new installations (or it messes stuff up), i have gotten pretty used to that one
[03:43] <ravage> i will give it another shot on release. i handle bare metal installs mostly and for that the old installer did a great job
[03:43] <ravage> for now i replaced it with a bash script and debootstrap. will deal with that after release
[03:43] <ravage> for now it installs
[03:44] <guiverc> yeah gnome-control-center is offering me extra options now that I'm running GNOME & not LXQt
[03:59] <ravage> guiverc: new wallpapers too? :)
[04:00] <guiverc> yeah I just changed mine; that I'd already looked at (DE doesn't matter... I've also every flavors packages installed)
[04:00] <ravage> they look nice but i really fell in love with the AI generated ones
[06:12] <guiverc> What have ubuntu-mate, Lubuntu & Ubuntu Desktop Canary have in common that causes firefox to be installed as deb+snap..
[06:15] <guiverc> Anyone able to point out the Ubuntu Desktop CANARY seed?  I'm not seeing it here - https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
[06:33]  * guiverc found canary detail awhile ago
[06:47] <alkisg> Hmm, is canary the new word for "nightly"? I see even google uses that...
[06:49] <alkisg> What differences does it have from the other variants?
[07:31] <guiverc> canary relates to the new-desktop-installer; different ISO to the default (which has ubiquity)
[07:31] <guiverc> alkisg, ^
[07:31] <alkisg> And I guess it's only for gnome currently?
[07:32] <alkisg> If the new installer is in snap format, eh, I'll pass :D
[07:33] <oerheks> Canary desktop image .. https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-canary/current/
[07:33] <oerheks> ..The desktop image allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all, ...
[07:33] <oerheks> live mode?
[07:34] <guiverc> yeah; normal daily of ubuntu-desktop installs only firefox as snap; canary has both??   Lubuntu daily had firefox as snap a short while; then deb re-appeared... 
[07:34] <guiverc> oerheks, my QA-testing today was live only
[07:37] <oerheks> it is new to me ..
[07:43] <lotuspsychje_> ravage: when picking a folder colour, my hexchat tabs are white, you got that too?
[07:44] <ravage> Yep I saw that too
[07:45] <ravage> Seems to cause some trouble with the colors in other apps
[07:46] <ravage> Thought it was something I did
[07:47] <ravage> But if you have that too it must be related to the color scheme
[07:48] <guiverc> yeah me too (white background on hexchat) - but hexchat is GTK2 themed so it didn't worry me 
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> looks pretty ugly to me
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> and that should not affect hexchat right?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/rdNbJTF
[07:51] <ravage> it looks wrong
[07:51] <ravage> exactly the same here
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> oh i see now, when opening gnome-tweaks its showing tons of the colours themes now
[07:52] <guiverc> other than my tabs being far-left; same here... but I've seen it before & I know I can fix it (GTK2 theme issue I believe)
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> instead of my yaru-dark its yaru-magenta-dark
[07:53] <ravage> blue-dark here
[07:53] <ravage> but same result
[07:53]  * guiverc is heading out for dinner..  back in a few hours
[07:53] <ravage> looks fine in the usual dark theme
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> should we file a bug against?
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit guiverc 
[07:54] <ravage> yes i think that should be at least looked at
[07:54] <ravage> hexchat cant be the only app with strange effects here
[07:55] <ravage> well
[07:55] <ravage> i think they knew something was up
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> ravage: wich app did you got troubles on?
[07:55] <ravage> change "legacy applications"
[07:55] <ravage> and everything is fine again :)
[07:55] <ravage> (in gnome tweaks)
[07:56] <ravage> but there should be maybe a way to do that without gnome-tweaks in the release
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> aha yeah
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> got yaru-dark now, with magenta folders
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> lemme open a few apps to see
[07:59] <ravage> gnome-tweaks seems to be a legacy app too :)
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> ravage: i also got a 2sec delay on clicking apreance tab
[08:00] <ravage> no delay here
[08:00] <ravage> but all apps seem to be legacy really
[08:01] <ravage> when i set yaru-dark as legacy everthing uses that
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> ravage: yeah, but at least when picking a color, the apps should be readable right
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> ravage: so far its on hexchat, and screensaver demo settings whitey unreadable
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> ravage: https://imgur.com/a/2zMEKXd
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> that should not happen right?
[08:04] <ravage> i think so too
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> ravage: getting this when clicking apareances tab and picking a color https://dpaste.org/eN9a
[08:10] <ravage> no messages here and no delay
[08:10] <ravage> but all colors except the default orange one cause the problem with the white borders/buttons
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah indeed
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> gonna file some bugs
[08:15] <ravage> thanks. you already have some experience with that
[08:15] <ravage> happy too mark is as affected when you opened them :D
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> sure thing ravage 
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> ravage: bug #1965659
[08:27] <ravage> nice
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ravage: any color i pick i can trigger https://dpaste.org/eN9a this error with journalctl -f
[08:31] <ravage> oh i just started the settings app in terminal
[08:31] <ravage> yes i have that in the log too
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> lemme file one for that too
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> ravage: i also got  ahuge spam of these random
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> mrt 20 09:31:42 R00TB00K gnome-shell[3452]: Object 0x7f88f4004350 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management.
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> mrt 20 09:31:42 R00TB00K gnome-shell[3452]: Object 0x7f896c0f3c40 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management.
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> mrt 20 09:31:42 R00TB00K gnome-shell[3452]: Object 0x7f896c0f3c40 of type IBusText has been finalized while it was still owned by gjs, this is due to invalid memory management.
[08:33] <ravage> nope. nothing in my log about that :)
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> bug #1965662
[08:40] <ravage> and confirmed :)
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> tnx ravage 
[08:40] <ravage> thank you for doing the actual work :D
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> : )
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> ravage: seems like its a known issue already, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/5147
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> there
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> bug #1965673
[12:47] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: re your last bug, I'm seeing that too so confirmed on Launchpad
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> tnx a lot PaulW2U 
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> weird ravage doesnt see those
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> should be a gnome 42 beta thing
[12:49] <PaulW2U> I've about 20 entries in journal in last 10 minutes
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah its real spammy
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> did you get your your monitor bug sorted more PaulW2U ?
[12:50] <PaulW2U> No. I've reverted to using a single screen for now
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:52] <Chunkyz> so close to release, so many bugs. :-/
[12:52] <PaulW2U> Are you seeing the mouse pointer go very slow when changing settings or unlocking a locked screen?
[12:53] <PaulW2U> Chunkyz: Yes, Desktop Team have a lot of work to do in the next 4 or 5 weeks
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: im geting choky mouse on clicking systemsettings/appereance
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> and another choke on picking a yaru color theme
[12:56] <PaulW2U> I'm not sure that's been reported yet
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> yes, i reported a bug related to an error PaulW2U 
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: bug #1965662
[12:58] <PaulW2U> I've +1'd and subscribed to that one
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[13:00] <PaulW2U> Looking back in journal I've been seeing that since last November
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> lemme check that from a locked screen
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: locking/unlocking screen 2 times, log back in feels like an early wayland stuttering to me https://dpaste.org/kyMu
[13:06] <PaulW2U> I'm finding it much worse resuming from suspend. Didn't see this before upgrading to 42 beta.
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> suspends feels sane on my side
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> just pretty noisy on logs
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> -walkabout