[15:26] <asantoni> I can't get 22.04 to install with today's build - It's hanging while "unpacking firefox" and in the log it says it is unable to contact the snap store, followed by some (unrelated?) zsysd stuff. I confirmed internet connectivity and DNS are working in a terminal.
[15:28] <asantoni> Anyone have any ideas? Based on the output of "ps ax", it looks like the firefox DEB pkg's preinstall script launches some "preinst upgrade" script that's trying to upgrade something to a snap version (firefox?)
[15:28] <asantoni> if I kill that script, the installer aborts though, so I can't get past it
[15:29] <enigma9o7[m]> The last time I ran updates, it installed firefox snap.  Previously the traditional debian package was installed.  Even a full screen text based popup came up and asked me to approve it.
[15:29] <enigma9o7[m]> So apperantly they didn't handle that right.
[15:30] <enigma9o7[m]> It did work tho in the upgrade case, but sounds like they didnt handle it right for install.
[15:30] <asantoni> Interesting. Yeah, I'm not getting any popup. I also specifically did not select to install updates during the installation, so I don't know why it's trying to do this upgrade
[15:30] <asantoni> seems weird to me that it's using the Firefox DEB to install the snap but I'm out of the loop with packaging these days :)
[15:37] <asantoni> alright just some feedback - I just spent the last 10 minutes trying to parse this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:37] <asantoni> I still can't figure out how to report a bug in Launchpad and I used to be a regular user like 10 years ago
[15:37] <asantoni> so I'm gonna just go install Debian because it's easier...
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> asantoni: wich flavour of ubuntu did you try?
[15:38] <asantoni> 22.04
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> asantoni: flavour like ubuntu desktop, kubuntu, lubuntu etc
[15:39] <asantoni> lotuspsychje: Ubuntu desktop
[15:39] <asantoni> should I try the server install?
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> asantoni: for today, im seeing a 22.04 kubuntu installer crash
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> didnt see a new bug like yours yet
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> asantoni: to file a bug, use from your terminal; ubuntu-bug packagenamehere
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> oh wait
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> check bug #1965805 asantoni , see if this is you?
[15:44] <asantoni> No, that's not the same
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> ok, then consider filing a new one asantoni 
[15:44] <asantoni> but the guy, cesar, in the comments has the same bug as me
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> if its other errors, best a new bug
[15:45] <asantoni> who knows, maybe it is the same problem. I don't see anything about firefox-locale-en in my log though
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> exactly
[15:45] <asantoni> definitely the results are the same :) 
[15:45] <enigma9o7[m]> As to the deb package installing a snap, canoncial started experimenting with that earlier with chromium.... user tries to installwith apt, it instead installs with snap.   
[15:46] <asantoni> ah ok, I guess that makes sense for luddites like me :D
[15:46] <enigma9o7[m]> Only real ubuntu does that, and it upset some people making deririvites.  and debian doesnt do that.
[15:47] <oerheks> we care about derivates ..
[15:47] <enigma9o7[m]> how considerate of you
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> enigma9o7[m]: lets please not mix opinions with bug solving here
[15:51] <asantoni> lotuspsychje: ah, I just got an error message about firefox-locale-en - it popped up after 30 minutes, I guess after the snap install timeout expired. (There was a message in the log saying it would try connecting to the snap store every minute for 30 minutes)
[16:03] <enigma9o7[m]> Is there a 22.04 server iso?  Or minimimal without desktop?
[16:04] <enigma9o7[m]> nvm found it
[17:27] <sprnk[m]> hi, are there any 22.04 raspberry pi images that come with cloud-init? or a way get in on the current image without a chroot (my current solution)?
[17:29] <oerheks> not sure it gives cloud-init http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[17:34] <sprnk[m]> oerheks:  that's the image I'm using! no cloud-init. So I got a separate sd, flashed it, chroot and install cloud-init. my pi is just slow so it isn't ideal. not a big deal though
[17:41] <oerheks> oke
[18:13] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, am I understanding correctly that from 22.04 onwards, Canonical will not be providing a security-supported browser as a deb?
[18:14] <enigma9o7[m]> hmmmm i think gnome web / epihpany still a deb
[18:14] <enigma9o7[m]> epiphany-browser
[18:15] <Odd_Bloke> That's been in universe as far back as rmadison knows about (trusty), but I appreciate the pointer!
[18:16] <enigma9o7[m]> ah ok, so because in universe, that means not provided by canonical?
[18:17] <alkisg> Packages in universe do not receive security support by canonical; they do get occasional security support from the community, afaik
[18:17] <alkisg> And again afaik, no, 22.04 won't have a supported .deb browser; e.g. schools here we'll probably switch to google-chrome
[18:19] <alkisg> I briefly tried falkon too, but it seems to lack both stability and features
[18:20] <enigma9o7[m]> Alternatively you can install the binary direct from mozilla, which is self updating, or use ubuntuzilla ppa which packages it.
[18:20] <alkisg> There's a mozilla ppa there https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa but I'm not sure if it'll be supported for 22.04
[18:26] <enigma9o7[m]> https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntuzilla/wiki/Main_Page/ does defintely work, as thats how i'm setup with snapd removed.... https://i.imgur.com/x2s4CAa.png
[19:36] <Odd_Bloke> enigma9o7[m]: Thanks, really appreciate those links!
[19:37] <Odd_Bloke> I'll probably stick on 20.04 for longer than I usually would, potentially the Firefox issue will have been solved by the community by the time I decide to upgrade.
[21:16] <Chunkyz> Odd_Bloke: what Firefox issue?