[01:12] <Tripknotix> hi guys, a bit of a noob for ubuntu here, but i keep getting this message repeating forever when i get to the last part of the 1st step called 1. Setup a Solona dev environment. the msg is: "solana_runtime message_processor program vote1111111111111" is it supposed to go on forever?
[01:12] <Tripknotix> https://www.leewayhertz.com/build-solana-smart-contracts/ is the page
[01:12] <Tripknotix> did they maybe mess up the last part of that first step? because i see a spelling error when they typed "Nodjs v14" which is supposed to be nodejs
[01:15] <sarnold> Tripknotix: pastebin a bit of the context?
[01:17] <oerheks> https://docs.solana.com/running-validator/validator-start
[01:17] <oerheks> *hips*
[01:18] <oerheks> https://docs.solana.com/developing/runtime-facilities/programs
[01:18] <oerheks> i guess the 1111111111 is uses as example
[01:19] <sarnold> woo
[01:24] <Tripknotix> https://pastebin.com/sN4XNuy3
[01:24] <Tripknotix> that last line i entered, is when it started doing the unlimited scrolling of that message processor thing
[01:25] <Tripknotix> seems to be eating away space on the hard drive too
[01:25] <Tripknotix> heh
[01:26] <Tripknotix> should i stop it and how do i stop it o.O
[01:28] <Tripknotix> lol that'd be funny if i am not serving contracts in the backend heh
[01:28] <Tripknotix> if i am now^
[01:31] <sarnold> probably ^C will stop it, if it's running in the foreground
[01:32] <sarnold> but if it isn't running in the foreground you'll have to read docs to figure out how to control it
[01:32] <sarnold> disk usage is probably normal, I have the impression that blockchain things need a local copy of the block chain in order to do things with it; otherwise, what's the point?
[01:35] <Tripknotix> ah nevermnd the logs werent takig up more than a hundred mb or so
[01:41] <Tripknotix> ah yep, weird i guess they assumed i would know thats a test, and that i should cancel it after some time =P
[01:45] <Tripknotix> hmm after running :   npm run build:program-rust  , i get this errorhttps://pastebin.com/pLpt03CS
[01:45] <Tripknotix> https://pastebin.com/pLpt03CS
[01:51] <sarnold> Tripknotix: running as root but doing things in /home/robertq/... might cause problems -- for example, that ~/.local/share/../dependencies path might be in /root or it might be in /home/robertq/, depending upon what the shell (or processes involved) know of your HOME environment variable, or if not that, perhaps whatever getent returns..
[01:57] <Tripknotix> o.O
[01:57] <Tripknotix> so i shuldnt run as root?
[02:00] <sarnold> it really depends on what you're doing; I know their example used it, but it kinda looked like they logged in as root, which is different than using sudo to get to root, and can give different results
[02:01] <sarnold> it would have been kind of them to indicate which commands, if any, actually needed root privileges
[02:01] <Tripknotix> im using sudo -s -h
[02:01] <Tripknotix> o.O
[02:02] <Tripknotix> should i try to login as root on wsl?
[02:02] <sarnold> sorry, I don't know much about the wsl environment
[02:05] <Tripknotix> is there a wsl channel on here by chance?
[02:06] <Bashing-om> !wsl | Tripknotix
[02:06] <ubottu> Tripknotix: Windows 10 and newer have a feature called "Windows Subsystem for Linux", which allows it to run Ubuntu (and other Linux distro) userspace programs without porting/recompliation. For installation instructions, see https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide
[02:07] <sarnold> I *think* they do discourse instead, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/wsl2/27 -- but they probably won't know much more about the software you're building, what assumptions are made in the various build scripts, etc
[02:07] <Tripknotix> o i c
[02:07] <Bashing-om> Tripknotix: ouch - guess no longer have a WSL channel :(
[02:08] <sarnold> Bashing-om: hah, I wasn't the only one who thought we had one around here at some point, right? :)
[02:10] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Uh huh . Yhere was - there was :(
[02:12] <Tripknotix> i found this https://github.com/solana-labs/example-helloworld/tree/master/src/program-rust has Cargo.toml
[02:13] <Tripknotix> so the command, npm run build:program-rust
[02:13] <sarnold> but no Xargo.toml
[02:13] <Tripknotix> should have looked in that folder?
[02:13] <sarnold> Xargo.toml is used for cross-compiling rust software, and it kind of looks like you're trying to cross-compile to an ebpf target
[02:20] <Tripknotix> ic ic...
[02:20] <Tripknotix> well it is ebpf, but this tutorial was based on around using wsl
[02:20] <Tripknotix> so i assumed it should have worked
[02:21] <Tripknotix> should i skip the hello world example?
[02:21] <Tripknotix> maybe try some other example?
[02:25] <sarnold> Tripknotix: I'm having trouble articulating my wild-ass-guess .. cross compiling is weird, wsl is weird, etc. it's possible that you could do very similar things to build that project in a more standard windows version of rustc
[02:26] <sarnold> Tripknotix: or it's possible that if you used a more standard linux vm you'd get a different 'target triplet' and the scripts would be more successful building ..
[02:27] <Tripknotix> ic ic
[02:27] <Tripknotix> why the heck would this guy have recommended wsl then ...
[02:28] <sarnold> it sounds like it's pretty simple for most windows users to get to something that kinda sorta works like a regular ubuntu with it
[02:30] <sarnold> I can't recall if microsoft has a more traditional vm offering or not; telling folks to go grab oracle virtualbox and then grab a linux, and then after ten or twenty minutes of setup, *then* you can start with their tools, that's probably not a great experience, hehe
[02:38] <Tripknotix> heh
[02:38] <Tripknotix> alright thanks you guys, i may need to go the standard vm route =/
[02:38] <Tripknotix> hopefully that fix the issue
[02:38] <Tripknotix> im gonna head home, thanks again
[02:46] <doubletwist> So what's it take these days to get a laptop touchpad to work similarly in *buntu (XFCE usually) as it does in Windoows? I've really struggled with this for a very, very long time.
[02:47] <doubletwist> I can't seem to get the sensitivity and palm detection to be anywhere close to how it performs in Windows.
[02:48] <doubletwist> I just tried to use libinput_measure_touchpad-pressure but apparently my touchpad doesn't support the capabilities for it
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[04:52] <knightwise> What are your favorite command line applications on Linux? Here are mine : https://knightwise.com/kw1607-conquering-the-command-line/
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[05:33] <brandoneliza> `File /path/to/file is being edited (by user-name with nano 2.9.3, PID 5284); continue?` how do I rebind to PID 5284
[05:45] <knightwise> Yo yo everyone
[05:45] <knightwise> any of you played around with 22.04 ?
[05:45] <knightwise> i'm loving it so far.
[05:47] <brandoneliza> not really
[05:52] <knightwise> brandoneliza: Worth a look, Gnome got quite a bit faster
[05:55] <brandoneliza> could try it out. Though really I'm a KDE fan. But in the end whatever DE you pick it'll be a hodgepodge of gnome KDE or whatever.
[05:56] <brandoneliza> I like both though. Just that I need less deps if I use KDE as a base
[05:56] <brandoneliza> so less bloated system
[05:57] <brandoneliza> I'll give kubunut 22.04 a shot but this is the ubuntu channel so no more speak of it.
[05:58] <knightwise> :) Ive been on budgie for a while now because I felt like Gnome was getting in my way
[06:00] <knightwise> hey gandalf
[06:00] <knightwise> hey i-garrison
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[07:41] <yurtesen> Hello, I have found a bug in `tomcat` package that exists in 21.10 and 22.04 which causes catalina.out log file not being rotated and growing forever. I would like to ask some opinions on what would be the correct way to fix it as thre are many ways this can be fixed. I am willing to produce a debdiff but having hard time getting any directions. I am not sure what I am doing wrong.
[07:41] <yurtesen> Here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat9/+bug/1964881
[07:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1964881 in tomcat9 (Ubuntu) "Logging/Log rotation does not work for catalina.out" [Undecided, New]
[07:53] <eoli3n> Hi
[07:53] <eoli3n> ubuntu fucked up my desktop with ubuntu-drivers because i used it without --no-oem switch
[07:54] <eoli3n> oem with SPECIFIC hardware support broke the hardware, what a nice work !
[07:54] <eoli3n> then, how to revert that shit ?
[07:55] <eoli3n> oem-somerville-weedle-meta : hardware support for Dell Precision 3650 Tower
[07:55] <eoli3n> it sould be descripted as "hardware breaker for Dell Precision 3650 Tower"
[07:57] <Khepra> eoli3n: broke how?
[07:57] <eoli3n> broke as lightdm doesn't start on all hosts
[07:57] <eoli3n> and i get multiple errors in logs
[07:57] <eoli3n> because of nvidia card maybe
[07:58] <eoli3n> the only thing i know for know is : all hosts without oem works, all hosts with broke
[07:59] <Khepra> so it's not hardware that's broken (physically, needs replacement), but there's software issues?  perhaps start with a pastebin of those errors you think are relevant
[08:00] <eoli3n> obviously yes
[08:13] <Khepra> eoli3n: not sure what's obvious, you barged in with accusations that ubuntu broke your hardware. so... if you need help, please provide that pastebin.
[08:15] <eoli3n> ubuntu "improve" hardware support with "oem", but all hosts i manage that run stock kernel runs smoothly, but all oem hosts can't start lightdm. I redeployed all broken hosts, so i dont' have logs anymore, it will solve my issue. thanks for helping
[08:43] <eoli3n> ok so now preseeding automatically install oem
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[09:29] <BlackMage> on lxqt i cant assign strg+alt+l in shortcut manager
[09:32] <BlackMage> when i click on modify and then on the key, no key is recognized
[09:42] <BlackMage> how can i check if the lxqt-globalkeysd daemon is running? when i try to run 'lxqt-globalkeysd' in terminal then comes the message "[Critical] Cannot register service 'org.lxqt.global_key_shortcuts' [Notice] Stopped"
[09:52] <eoli3n> https://x0.at/CiKE.txt
[09:52] <eoli3n> seriously
[09:52] <eoli3n> ubuntu-drivers --no-oem install is broken !!
[09:52] <eoli3n> good job ubuntu, you amaze me each second god do
[10:14] <exploit> hi all
[10:18] <exploit> hmm
[10:18] <exploit> how to install microsoft for ubuntu
[10:18] <exploit> We microsoft open Our official channel support here in 1  hour
[10:18] <Khepra> looks like there's an exploit here that's about to be patched.
[10:19] <exploit> yeah
[10:19] <exploit> how are you khepra
[10:19] <exploit> download kubuntu.org
[10:19] <exploit> that's the best ubuntu version for desktop
[10:19] <exploit> 64 bit
[10:19] <exploit> if you love linux desktop and dev
[10:20] <Khepra> patched! :)
[10:22] <tomreyn> eoli3n: do you know how to look up existing and file new bug reports?
[10:23] <tomreyn> also, please watch the language a bit here, we're trying to be family friendly.
[10:26] <RikMills> selectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselectionselection
[10:27] <tomreyn> RikMills: that macro seems to have failed ;)
[10:27]  * Unit193 selects RikMills.
[10:27] <RikMills> wtf?
[10:28] <eoli3n> tomreyn I agree
[10:29] <eoli3n> what's sad is that i'm pretty sure that canonical have a ci/cd tool
[10:29] <eoli3n> maybe testing things could solve that kind of problem
[10:32] <eoli3n> where to report on launchpad ?
[10:32] <eoli3n> https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=ubuntu-drivers
[10:33] <tomreyn> !bug | eoli3n
[10:33] <ubottu> eoli3n: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[10:36] <eoli3n> how to block oem kernel install ?
[10:37] <eoli3n> just tried --gpgpu, but it stills install oem packages
[10:37] <eoli3n> any alternative to --no-oem ?
[10:38] <eoli3n> tomreyn there is no ubuntu-drivers package
[10:42] <tomreyn> eoli3n: dpkg -S ubuntu-drivers    will tell you which packages provide a file named "ubuntu-drivers"
[10:43] <tomreyn> (file or directory)
[10:45] <eoli3n> is there another way to automate the right nvidia driver install without ubuntu-drivers tool ?
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: ubuntu-drivers autoinstall, does that but that doesnt really mean its the 'best' driver for you
[10:47] <eoli3n> autoinstall is broken+deprecated
[10:47] <eoli3n> you should use install
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> paste the apt errors for the volunteers?
[10:48] <eoli3n> there is not apt error
[10:48] <eoli3n> if searching for "a way to"
[10:48] <eoli3n> s/if/i'm
[10:48] <eoli3n> i just inform you that the way you want to use ubuntu-drivers is not the right one
[10:49] <eoli3n> ubuntu-drivers --help for more information
[10:52] <tomreyn> maybe the two of you are using different ubuntu releases?
[10:54] <eoli3n> i'm using latest LTS
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: as in 20.04 or 22.04?
[10:55] <eoli3n> latest LTS is 20.04
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> ok, then pastebin us the output of ubuntu-drivers autoinstall on 20.04, i would like to see that
[11:00] <tomreyn> it's correct that 'ubuntu-drivers autoinstall' is deprecated (for 'ubuntu-driver install') on 20.04 (it also was on 18.04).
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> oh yeah?
[11:01] <tomreyn> according to --help, yes
[11:07] <Guest38> Hi i would like to recover crashing logs and boot it up and running from the disk /dev/sda1,2 , Currently i have booted my system from bootable pendrive
[11:09] <eoli3n> lotuspsychje autoinstall still works when lucky but leads to different drivers version in some cases
[11:10] <eoli3n> i use ubuntu-drivers over 800 hosts, with ~20 differents models
[11:11] <Guest38> Any documentation to do auatopsy of  disk in Ubuntu. Just wanted to learn how to know the root cause
[11:11] <tomreyn> Guest38: so you're saying your computer froze or rebooted unexpectedly, and you'd like to review its logs from before that?
[11:13] <Guest38> tomaw Well Earlier my system was booted using disk /dev/sda{1,2} Unfortunately it looks  some file corruption was  predicted. And i run fsck on sda1, sda2. Now i'm unable to locate and boot from the hardisk.
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: i assume ubuntu would already pick the reccomended graphics driver for your nvidia card
[11:13] <tomreyn> eoli3n: then you're probably more experienced with it than many if not most here, and should probably just file a bug report if there's a bug.
[11:13] <Guest38> So now i have just booted my system using bootable pendrive to find the root cause and recover my data
[11:13] <eoli3n> tomreyn i already did
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> eoli3n: but then its also the users choice to install the driver that performs best to your needs
[11:13] <tomreyn> eoli3n: oh, nice.
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> whats the bug ID eoli3n
[11:14] <eoli3n> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1966413
[11:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1966413 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "--no-oem option is broken" [Undecided, New]
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[11:14] <eoli3n> lotuspsychje i can't manage manually which kernel to choose for each hardware i manage, that's why i rely on ubuntu-drivers tool
[11:15] <Guest38> How do i spot or find corrupt sectors and fix it?
[11:15] <eoli3n> actually i can, but that's a lot of work
[11:15] <tomreyn> Guest38: i think you wanted to talk to me there, not tomaw ;)
[11:15] <Guest38> okay i'm sorry i'm bit ill, does not spot the nick apologies
[11:15] <tomreyn> Guest38: did you override any warnings by fsck when you ran it?
[11:16] <Guest38> yes i did it
[11:16] <tomreyn> Guest38: sorry to hear you're ill, get better soon. so fsck can actually do much harm on file systems which are mounted. which is why it would cancel attempts to run it against those.
[11:17] <tomreyn> and exit with a warning
[11:17] <tomreyn> if you overrode those, by running it with -f (force), though, it may have broken your file system, possibly beyond recovery.
[11:17] <Guest38> There is tool name smartmontools
[11:17] <Guest38> Can we check and verify it?
[11:18] <tomreyn> Guest38: sure, you can install smartmontools and run     sudo smartctl -x /dev/sda      to gather information on the physical state of disk sda.
[11:19] <yurtesen> Smartmontools can ask the disk to report if it detected any problems and can ask it to run self test. It won't fix it.
[11:20] <tomreyn> fsck is used to look for (logical, so not physical) errors on a file system (so not on a full disk, which is why you'll usually point it to what contains that file system, which is often a partition such as sda1 or sda2)
[11:21] <nook24> Hi, is someone in here in charge for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases ? The table uses white text on white background.
[11:22] <Khepra> nook24: it doesn't. maybe your browser has css overrides? some extension?
[11:22] <Guest38> Here is the log details https://pastebin.com/raw/G7t4bR6c
[11:22] <tomreyn> nook24: it does not for me. i see orange and black text.
[11:23] <nook24> Khepra tomreyn: Interesting I tested Chrome and Firefox. No Addons but running on macOS.
[11:25] <tomreyn> Guest38: this disk has been running for 1,5 years total, but there is no indication in this data that it should break soon or be broken.
[11:26] <nook24> Khepra tomreyn I can also reproduce this on my Ubuntu 20.04 desktop. Maybe there are different versions in the cache or so?
[11:26] <Guest38> So how to boot from this /dev/sda1
[11:28] <yurtesen> Guest38: "Error: UNC at LBA" uncorrectable error
[11:28] <Guest38> I have spotted some ATA Error using `-a` options
[11:28] <yurtesen> Guest38: Error 2441 [136] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14263 hours (594 days + 7 hours)
[11:29] <tomreyn> Guest38: oh, actually, there's a 'current pending sector', and there were several potentially problematic events (i'm not sure about those) about an hour ago.
[11:29] <yurtesen> Guest38: Error 2441 [136] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14263 hours (594 days + 7 hours)
[11:29] <yurtesen> you have bad sectors
[11:29] <yurtesen> Sorry, copy/pasted wrong line "197 Current_Pending_Sector  -O--CK   100   100   000    -    32"
[11:30] <tomreyn> yurtesen: guest38 has left us for now
[11:30] <yurtesen> guest38: if you have possibility, you can clone the disk into another without hardware errors before trying to do anything.
[11:31] <yurtesen> Otherwise you will have long delays when and if drive tries to read from bad sectors.
[11:31] <tomreyn> nook24: hmm, so, for now, i'd bet on a client side issue. but we can have a quick look together
[11:35] <iomari891> when is the official release date of 22.04?
[11:35] <tomreyn> nook24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases loads the CSS from the same host, wiki.ubuntu.com, which - for me - resolves to 5 IPv4 hosts https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and 1 IPv6 host: 2001:67c:1360:8001::30
[11:36] <iomari891> thanks
[11:37] <tomreyn> nook24: it could be that one of those doesn't sned the CSS file properly, or sends a broken / outdated copy. but as i'm testing this i notice that the table headings are actually white on white for me, too. is this what you actually meant?
[11:38] <Guest38> sorry i missed out the convesation, could anyone please paste it out
[11:39] <nook24> tomreyn The issue is within the HTML itself. there are &quot; inside of the style="" attribute all over the place. See: https://cloud.nook24.eu/s/p35eQCFnTecddgQ
[11:40] <tomreyn> Guest38: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/dfbd7d55
[11:40] <nook24> tomreyn white on white. Yep that's exactly what i mean.
[11:41] <Guest56> hey what are default processes in ubuntu 20.10
[11:41] <Guest56> ?
[11:41] <tomreyn> nook24: i assume this will need to be reported to #canonical-sysadmin / RT
[11:41] <Guest38> Could you please tell me how to trace out the root cause. And  fix this bad sector issue?
[11:42] <Guest56> the explanation that I can see them in top or system monitor is not enough
[11:42] <Guest38> .pkg testdisk
[11:42] <Guest38> .help
[11:42] <nook24> tomreyn: I will give it a shot, thanks
[11:43] <EriC^^> Guest38: it's likely a hardware fault, hdd is dying
[11:43] <Guest38> How could you confirm that?
[11:43] <tomreyn> Guest38: the root cause for a bad sector is physical damage to a disk. unless the disk firmware is able to mitigate this situation (yours does not seem to be), your best option is to replace the disk.
[11:43] <EriC^^> cause it's a bad sector, it's not software
[11:43] <orangepi> etc
[11:44] <Guest38> I think it's my intentionally pwned
[11:44] <Guest38> Just wanted to answer him
[11:44] <Guest38> If it possible then kindly do let me know how to recover it.
[11:45] <EriC^^> Guest38: best thing to do at this stage is backup your stuff and copy it to a new/better hdd, if the data is important to you
[11:45] <Guest38> Yes it's
[11:46] <EriC^^> the longer you take and the more you use the hdd the more the likelyhood of losing data
[11:46] <Guest38>  think it's might be intentionally pwned
[11:46] <EriC^^> not sure what you mean
[11:47] <Guest38> I mean it looks security breah.
[11:47] <EriC^^> no, failing hdd
[11:47] <Guest38> Yes but the things is we need to get the logs i'm not sure where to look for this kind of logs
[11:48] <Guest38> It will be good ffor the canonical either :|
[11:49] <tomreyn> logs of a failing disk?
[11:49] <Guest38> yes, if it possible
[11:50] <tomreyn> the problem is you probably broke the file system when forcing fsck to run on mounted sda1 and sda2
[11:51] <tomreyn> "Well Earlier my system was booted using disk /dev/sda{1,2} Unfortunately it looks  some file corruption was  predicted. And i run fsck on sda1, sda2. Now i'm unable to locate and boot from the hardisk."
[11:51] <tomreyn> but you can try to mount them now, or try to run fsck again on them (but this may actually make it even worse)
[11:52] <tomreyn> if you really, really need to recover critical data from this disk, then don't touch it now and get it to a serious data recovery company
[11:53] <Guest38> ok
[11:53] <Guest38> Thank you.
[11:53] <matt__> hello. I am trying to get a desktop with dual monitors (one that is touch with stylus) and audio to always route to a tv but Ubuntu 2.04 seems to always select the wrong settings. I am trying to find out how to make the sound default to the tv for all users not just a Startup Applications launch
[11:53] <EriC^^> Guest38: probably you can get the data off using rsync or dd
[11:54] <Guest38> ok
[11:55] <matt__> I tried editing /etc/pulse/default.pa and commenting out the load-module module-switch-on-port-available and load-module module-switch-on-port-available
[11:55] <EriC^^> Guest38: if you have another disk of similar or larger size, you can dd this disk to that one, then work on getting it booting
[11:55] <tomreyn> matt__: I'm afraid that Ubuntu 2.04 is slightly out of date. ;-) (But I could probably not answer your question anyways.)
[11:55] <Guest38> okay thank you Eric
[11:56] <EriC^^> Guest38: no problem
[11:56] <Guest38> :)
[11:56] <matt__> 20.04
[11:56] <EriC^^> :)
[12:01] <backthen> I mount a usb drive and get told it's read only. Is this because the OS I'm mounting from itself is read-only?
[12:07] <EriC^> backthen: no, probably it needs to be fsck'd
[12:09] <backthen> EriC^: ah ok it's a Ubuntu install disk perhaps that's the reason?
[12:09] <EriC^> yeah
[12:10] <Tinkery> does somebody know (kernel freeze is not yet) if kernel 5.17 will be in ubuntu 22.04?
[12:10] <backthen> EriC^:  Why is it that I can add/remove files from it if I use Ubuntu's GUI based interface?
[12:11] <Arsimael> Mornin'
[12:11] <Arsimael> Anyone free to help me with a strange problem? I am unable to change any setting in my 'powersaving settings' and it drives me nuts
[12:12] <Arsimael> In short: The "turn off monitor" Setting is fixed to 5 minutes and I can't change it.
[12:12] <tomreyn> !next | Tinkery
[12:12] <ubottu> Tinkery: Jammy Jellyfish is the codename for Ubuntu 22.04. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.
[12:13] <Tinkery> thx
[12:13] <Arsimael> Uh, I forgot: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[12:14] <EriC^> backthen: no idea, must be mounting it rw, but you can remount as rw from the cli, mount -o rw,remount /mountpoint
[12:14] <tomreyn> Arsimael: is it *fixed* to 5 min exactly, or is 5 min the minimum, but greater values can be set?
[12:15] <Arsimael> I can set every "regular" value between 1 minute and 15 minutes and "never", but it'S not getting saved. as soon as I switch categories or close the window its reset to 5 min
[12:17] <tomreyn> Arsimael: hmm, this doesn't happen on my VM running a fresh 20.04 installation. Is your system up to date? which graphics driver is in use?
[12:18] <tomreyn> you can tell the latter by inspecting: settings -> about -> graphics
[12:18] <tomreyn> and the former by running, in a terminal emulator:   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:20] <Arsimael> tomreyn, "freshly" installed ubuntu (company image) all updates installed nvidia 510 drivers installed
[12:21] <tomreyn> Arsimael: see if you can configure this via nvidia-settings instead
[12:25] <Arsimael> Nope. Can't see any option which indicates something "power-saving"
[12:26] <tomreyn> i'm afraid that's all i could think of. you could keep a    journalctl -f      open to see whether anything is logged while you try to change the setting, or just file a bug report
[12:27] <tomreyn> !bug | Arsimael
[12:27] <ubottu> Arsimael: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[12:30] <Arsimael> The problem: this is an enterprise joined image. I doubt it's an ubuntu bug.
[12:34] <Arsimael> does anypone know in which file ubuntu/gnome/unity saves these kind of sewttings?
[12:46] <geirha> see if there's any files not owned by you in your homedir. find ~ ! -user "$USER" -ls
[12:47] <Arsimael> good hint, but sadly no luck :(
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:54] <tomreyn> Arsimael: here's my 20.04 VM's /etc/systemd/logind.conf - maybe yours differs? https://termbin.com/9rsd
[13:24] <Syzygy> My system crashed earlier. When I start it, it starts slowing down within seconds until it freezes completely.
[13:25] <rob0> sounds like a hardware problem
[13:27] <Syzygy> it seems to be fine while i'm not logged in
[13:27] <tomreyn> so *you* are the problem! ;-) just kidding.
[13:27] <tomreyn> try running smartctl -x against the disk
[13:28] <tomreyn> and boot to recovery and run file system checks
[13:28] <Syzygy> I'll give it a try. hopefully it won't freeze in recovery or I can do it in time before it freezes
[13:28] <tomreyn> but only after you reviewed the smartctl data and got the impression the disk is physically ok.
[13:29] <tomreyn> you can also boot from an installer / live iso and do both from there
[13:30] <Syzygy> startup filesystem checks seem to pass
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[13:31] <Syzygy> smartctl not installed. yay
[13:31] <Guest4276> hi guys
[13:32] <rob0> heh, let's hope installing smartctl doesn't cause the drive to fail :)
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[13:34] <Syzygy> I don't think I've got enough time to install it at all
[13:43] <Syzygy> tomreyn, any chance you can help me interpret recovery mode?
[13:44] <Syzygy> I did the system check option. disk usage seems fine, although my largest drive /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root has 232gb, should be ~500
[13:44] <Syzygy> LVM state lists Physical Volumes: not ok (BAD)
[13:45] <tomreyn> Syzygy: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[13:46] <Syzygy> I believe 20.4 LTS? I'll check quickly
[13:46] <tomreyn> you can drop to a root shell from recovery (last option) and run    lsb_release -ds
[13:47] <tomreyn> actually last but one option
[13:47] <Syzygy> 20.04.4 LTS
[13:48] <tomreyn> by the "system check option", you mean "fsck - Check all file systems"?
[13:48] <Syzygy> system-summary
[13:49] <Syzygy> fsck didn't really do anything and trying to do it again tells me i need to be in read only mode
[13:49] <Syzygy> I guess I'll restart and try that again
[13:50] <tomreyn> that's expected
[13:50] <Syzygy> actually now my pc isn't freezing
[13:50] <Syzygy> at least for now.
[13:51] <Syzygy> I'll just quickly look for an USB stick and back up everything that isn't already.
[13:51] <tomreyn> you can examine what heppened at the end of the previous session using   journalctl -b -1 -e
[13:52] <tomreyn> an usb stick is not a great backup media. but if no other is available, it's still better than none.
[13:53] <Syzygy> it just needs to survive the night
[13:53] <Syzygy> gsd-media-keys: fontconfig error
[13:54] <tomreyn> most likley unrelated
[14:43] <Arsimael> tomreyn, yes, I have the "Lid Actions" meand open/closse the laptop lid.
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[14:49] <nafis> o
[15:00] <tomreyn> Arsimael: well those should be fine, i guess
[15:05] <nafis> recommend me some active good channels plz
[15:05] <leftyfb> nafis: try #libera
[15:06] <nafis> ok thnx
[15:17] <plopzi> t
[15:41] <iomari891> greetings, does anyone know what installed all the apt-get aliases on my system? They all start with "ag".
[15:42] <leftyfb> iomari891: I'm not aware of any official ubuntu packages that would do that
[15:49] <ioria> iomari891, a quick search indicates that might be oh-my-zsh
[15:50] <ioria> iomari891, https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/issues/3633
[15:50] <ubottu> Issue 3633 in ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh "The nuptial problem about 'silversearcher - ag'." [Closed]
[15:50] <leftyfb> iomari891: so the answer would be, none :)
[15:51] <leftyfb> (no official ubuntu packages)
[15:54] <audio> what is ssd and what is transfer? apparently my DO droplet has 25GB SSD and 1TB transfer. I'm uploading a 46GB file and it's taking a while. I'm hoping it doesn't deny it due to lack of storage
[15:55] <leftyfb> audio: try #hardware or ask Digital Ocean about the specs of their hardware
[15:56] <sprnk[m]> ssd is your storage. Transfer is total bytes up
[15:58] <sprnk[m]> audio: you should look at their docs for the definition of transfer but it's definitely talking about network transfer. the ssd is solid state storage. they have many good articles in the support
[15:59] <sprnk[m]> *solid state drive. I'm tired lol
[16:02] <jhutchin1> audio: What speed is your local WAN link?
[16:02] <jhutchin1> The povider stats are only a measure of performance within their network.
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[16:03] <audio> thanks for the help guys, my droplet has 60GB SSD now
[16:25] <yuesbeez> I tried installing an extension while the site was down yesterday and it seemed to partially install. How can I fix this error  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UkRLgjXW/
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[16:33] <yuesbeez> I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling and checking ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ and /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ and the folder disappears after uninstall
[16:38] <oerheks> yuesbeez, what extention exactly? and for what ubuntu/gnome version?
[16:38] <yuesbeez> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4709/another-window-session-manager/
[16:39] <yuesbeez> 20.04.4, GNOME Shell 3.36.9
[16:39] <ioria> yuesbeez, in general, that ext is for 40 and 41....  (not 36)
[16:40] <oerheks> yes, my 1st check too, ioria
[16:40] <oerheks> too new .. wait for the next jammy 22.04
[16:41] <ioria> yuesbeez, anyhow, you can trey it again ; i suggest to unistall, reboot, and reinstall   (that err is about , probably, leftovers)
[16:41] <yuesbeez> That UI could be improved to make that more apparent to someone who isnt super familiar with ubuntu
[16:41] <yuesbeez> ok ill try a reboot soon
[16:43] <jhutchins> yuesbeez: Which UI do you mean?  You are assuming lots of people here have tried to install this specific extension.
[16:44] <yuesbeez> the extensions web page doesnt make it clear if a extension is supported on my gnome version
[16:45] <oerheks> we wish we could push gnome version to make that easier, but we can not :-(
[16:45] <oerheks> yuesbeez, now you know; have fun!
[16:48] <EldonMcGuinness> Having an odd issue with netplan on 20.04 vs. 21.10, for some reason when I use https://pastebin.com/D7PvuZMv on 20.04 it behaves as expected, enp3s0 gets its regular ip 192.x and br0 gets the needed ips 167.x. However, if I use the exact same plan in a fresh 21.10 install, the br0 section breaks the connection. Any ideas?
[16:49] <EldonMcGuinness> when I say breaks the connection, I'm testing it using `netplan try --timeout 10`
[16:51] <leftyfb> EldonMcGuinness: do you have bridge-utils installed?
[16:51] <leftyfb> on 21.10
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[16:51] <oerheks> i miss addresses: [167.something]
[16:51] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness,   can you please try :   ' netplan try --state /etc/netplan '   ?
[16:52] <leftyfb> they probably don't have bridge-utils installed
[16:55] <EldonMcGuinness> sry was checking indents, just in case
[16:56] <EldonMcGuinness> yea, already installed bridge-utils
[16:57] <audio> will scp have to restart if my computer goes to sleep? or does it just pause and then continue when the computer is back up?
[16:57] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness, ^  and paste   'apt-cache policy netplan.io | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:57] <EldonMcGuinness> @ioria trying that and will paste
[16:58] <EldonMcGuinness> FWIW, if I comment out the br0 section it works just fine
[17:01] <EldonMcGuinness> @ioria did the netplan command you posted and same result, connection breaks when "trying". https://termbin.com/0p4m
[17:02] <EldonMcGuinness> thanks for the termbin trick, have not seen that before, or at least don't recall it. ;)
[17:02] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness, what's the exact error ? Error in network definition: unknown key 'br0' ?
[17:06] <EldonMcGuinness> I'm actually not getting an error, that is the bugger. Instead of seeing, "Do you want to keep these settings message" I see nothing. Additionally, while it is testing the network connection goes dead
[17:06] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness, remove 'dhcp4: yes' in  the bridge part
[17:08] <EldonMcGuinness> Same thing
[17:08] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness, no idea then sy
[17:09] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness, check syslog maybe
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[17:10] <EldonMcGuinness> kk
[17:10] <EldonMcGuinness> it is the oddest thing, I can drop that config into a fresh 20.04 box and it works just fine
[17:13] <armadefuego> @audio. That will depend on many factors. It _can_ come back, but _might not_.
[17:13] <audio> armadefuego, what factors
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[17:15] <ioria> EldonMcGuinness, have you already checked   'sudo networkctl status -a' ?
[17:17] <armadefuego> there are a few. for one a NAT device may timeout its translation entry. the remote may decide to drop the connection, due to idle time.
[17:18] <armadefuego> your sleep setup may pause disk access.
[17:20] <armadefuego> i, personally, do it a lot. and, sometimes it will fail for any one of a number of factors. i tend to use rsync just to be sure.
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[17:23] <armadefuego> mostly, however it doesn't matter... in my network world.
[17:27] <rachelfish> How do I change my language settings for the on-screen keyboard to show other alphabets without changing the language I use for evertyhing else on my system?
[17:48] <humanBird> wth are "charms"?  is this another package maanger like snap and apt?
[17:49] <oerheks> juju/openstack related
[17:49] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/openstack/docs/charm-guide
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[18:01] <wokerslaugh> is there any way to know ho wmuch data used by a wifi network or as a whole by my laptop? i'm running kubuntu
[18:01] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes
[18:01] <enigma9o7[m]> For the laptop.
[18:01] <wokerslaugh> what's the command please enigma9o7[m]
[18:01] <enigma9o7[m]> For the network it's possible too, but depends on your hardware.
[18:02] <wokerslaugh> ok i want to know the laptop usage
[18:05] <wokerslaugh> ?
[18:08] <tomreyn> wokerslaugh: there's actually no easy way to measure how much data has been sent and received since a given date + time.
[18:09] <tomreyn> wokerslaugh: the best / right way to do this is at a separate router which you connect through
[18:09] <wokerslaugh> tomreyn but i can know as a whole? linux os don't have a record of data usage through the system itself without a third party app?
[18:10] <tomreyn> wokerslaugh: you can inspect interface statistics. ip -s link
[18:11] <tomreyn> but those will reset once the network interface is brought down or reset (such as when rebooting)
[18:12] <wokerslaugh> i see that
[18:12] <wokerslaugh> it's not what i'm looking for tho
[18:12] <wokerslaugh> but thank you for your answer
[18:13] <wokerslaugh> there's a wifi data usage in windows so i was thinking there's something similar in linux
[18:13] <tomreyn> there are some applications trying to measure the data transferring, but it's difficult to do this right, it's better done on the switch / router
[18:14] <tomreyn> do you have metered wireless, though?
[18:15] <wokerslaugh> yes metered wireless
[18:18] <tomreyn> you can set the connection to be treated as a metered connection so that the amount of data sent through it will be reduced
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[18:19] <tomreyn> wokerslaugh: ^ in the network settings, but this only really makes sense when you aren't *always* on this connection, because you'd potentially miss a lot of ubuntu updates that way.
[18:20] <Heston> There seems to be an error on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases   The top most bar of the release lists is missing the data describing what each element is
[18:22] <Heston> release version:  codename:   notes:   release date    etc
[18:22] <tomreyn> Heston: thanks, someone else (nook24) also pointed this out today, and created a support ticket on it.
[18:22] <Heston> tomreyn, ok then sounds good
[18:42] <pagios> hello, mysql is using 130% of cpu, checkd error.log in /var/log/mysql nothing thwre, how can. i know whats happening behind the scenes?
[18:42] <leftyfb> pagios: you will probably get better support in #mysql
[18:45] <Tr1nk> hello
[18:45] <Tr1nk> comment monter un partage nfs depuis ubuntu vers openbsd ?
[18:46] <leftyfb> Tr1nk: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:46] <Tr1nk> how to mount nfs share from ubuntu to openbsd
[18:46] <Tr1nk> mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
[18:46] <Tr1nk> either nfs or nfs4
[18:47] <leftyfb> Tr1nk: install nfs-common
[18:47] <Tr1nk> leftyfb : thanks
[18:48] <Tr1nk> already installed
[19:24] <Tr1nk> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.1.152:/data
[19:24] <Tr1nk> now different message
[19:25] <sarnold> are there more log messages on the server?
[19:26] <Tr1nk> lets see
[19:27] <Tr1nk> not that much
[19:27] <Tr1nk> byt the way pf was enebled
[19:27] <Tr1nk> so ive issued : rcctl disable pf
[19:28] <Tr1nk> openbsd# rcctl get pf
[19:28] <Tr1nk> pf=NO
[19:28] <Tr1nk> Y
[19:28] <Tr1nk> can be intersting exercise to make openbsd from with linux in a network
[19:30] <oerheks> so there is nothing we can do?
[19:33] <sarnold> Tr1nk: how about dmesg?
[19:33] <Tr1nk> nothing related
[19:33] <sarnold> if it's not logging why it failed, it'll be very hard to fix, yeah :)
[19:33] <Tr1nk> yep
[19:35] <Tr1nk> the only log is from client linux ubuntu side
[19:41] <Tr1nk> NFS est proprio...au départ... :(
[19:41] <Tr1nk> ou bien en fin de compte
[19:43] <tomreyn> anglais ici, s'il te plaît, ou /join #ubuntu-fr
[19:45] <sarnold> or perhaps an openbsd support forum; if it isn't logging what is broken, it's hard to suggest what to try next
[19:46] <scortal> scortal. here
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[21:04] <eelstrebor> why do i get invalid option when i try to execute ls *.txt or ls *txt?
[21:05] <sarnold> you probably have a file named something like --haha-hello-mom.txt
[21:06] <funhouse> Im trying to merge all csv files in a folder into one -->  cat /2022/02/18/*.csv > data.csv but its saying not found
[21:07] <funhouse> can i not use the wildcard when doing that?
[21:07] <sarnold> funhouse: probably that leading slash is a mistake
[21:08] <funhouse> sarnold ok all the files are in the `18` folder
[21:08] <sarnold> funhouse: but if that guess isn't right, try running the command namei -l /2022/02/18/*.csv   and it will probably tell you something interesting about the path you gave it
[21:16] <mattf> is there some helper to install an arch's tar.xz on ubuntu
[21:17] <enigma9o7[m]> I bet all you need is tar and bash....
[21:17] <mattf> and move things manually and figure out the dependencies
[21:18] <rob0> "install"?  Is it source or a binary package?
[21:19] <tomreyn> what is "an arch's tar.xz"?
[21:19] <oerheks> sounds like arch source code package..
[21:20] <enigma9o7[m]> The point is matt, it depends what it actually is.  there's no such thing as an "arch's tar.xz"
[21:20] <enigma9o7[m]> Depends what's inside that archive to know what to do with it
[21:20] <leftyfb> mattf: what package are you trying to install exactly and why?
[21:20] <mattf> leftyfb: blender 3.1 for aarch64
[21:20] <rob0> You can't expect to run some other distro's binary packages on Ubuntu.
[21:20] <mattf> only built i found, well i didn't want to compile from source
[21:20] <leftyfb> mattf: you want to run blender on arm?
[21:21] <mattf> yes
[21:21] <rob0> always helps to start out with the real goal
[21:21] <enigma9o7[m]> Sure you can.
[21:21] <enigma9o7[m]> You can run other distros binary packages just fine usually.
[21:21] <rob0> unless you can't
[21:21] <mattf> yes ive tried that, just happens that sometimes some lib is missing
[21:21] <enigma9o7[m]> Well yeah.
[21:22] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes.
[21:22] <mattf> then you find out you cant apt install that lib and has to compile it
[21:22] <enigma9o7[m]> That.
[21:22] <oerheks> https://www.blender.org/download/release/Blender3.1/blender-3.1.0-linux-x64.tar.xz/ ?
[21:22] <mattf> and that lib depends on another lib that you have to compile too because of the new version
[21:22] <mattf> yes
[21:22] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/blender
[21:22] <mattf> that is x64
[21:22] <rob0> broken libraries, missing dependencies, wrong versions ... life is too short to deal with all that garbage
[21:22] <oerheks> stable 3.1
[21:22] <enigma9o7[m]> Hence why you should just use something packaged for ubuntu.
[21:22] <mattf> the snap is only x64
[21:22] <oerheks> mattf, oh right
[21:22] <mattf> and ubuntu is back on 2.83 or something, come on
[21:22] <oerheks> then !build
[21:23] <mattf> yes
[21:23] <mattf> i guess building cant be that bad
[21:23] <oerheks> from the readme in the .xz: Linux: Unpack the archive, then run the Blender executable.
[21:24] <oerheks> blender.desktop
[21:24] <oerheks> voila
[21:25] <mattf> wel yes it is already complaining about missing libs
[21:25] <Maik> there's a reason ubuntu's version is older
[21:25] <Maik> !latest | mattf
[21:25] <ubottu> mattf: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[21:25] <mattf> libtbb.so.12
[21:25] <mattf> im aware
[21:28] <enigma9o7[m]> If you don't wnat to deal with yourself, then use https://launchpad.net/~savoury1/+archive/ubuntu/blender
[21:28] <oerheks> https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Building_Blender/Linux/Ubuntu
[21:28] <oerheks> so get the source from git
[21:28] <sarnold> there's an lxd container image for archlinux/arm64  you could try
[21:28] <mattf> yeah i will build
[21:29] <mattf> oh thats a different idea indeed sarnold
[21:29] <mattf> i could do that if i cant build
[21:29] <mattf> thanks for the help guys
[21:30] <enigma9o7[m]> nvm that ppa anyway, only amd64
[21:30] <mattf> yeah i saw it
[21:31] <mattf> i even tried it :P
[21:33] <tomreyn> how will you be using blender on aarch64? won't it be undesirably slow for most scenarios?
[21:34] <sarnold> tomreyn: graviton2 instances on aws have crazy bandwidth, and some of those newer apple machines are pretty quick despite their storage
[21:34] <tomreyn> sarnold: for 3d graphics, too?
[21:34] <sarnold> tomreyn: aarch64 isn't only raspberry pi levels of stuff :) hehe
[21:34] <enigma9o7[m]> Jammy has 3.0 and release isn't that far away....
[21:35] <mattf> oh i got this beefy arm64 vps to test out
[21:35] <sarnold> tomreyn: that's a good question; I know the amdgpu stuff works on ppc64el, so maybe it'll also work on aarch64? that's hoping and dreaming though
[21:35] <mattf> it doesn't have a gpu but 32 cores, i just wanted to test out
[21:40] <tomreyn> looks like aws offers to combine graviton with nvidia gpus for graphics workloads "such as android game streaming"
[21:42] <sarnold> oh yeah that makes sense
[22:25] <nshirelaptop> does anyone else get a bug where chromium disappears off of the taskbar when in use? I can alt-tab back into it but clicking the taskbar icon just causes a new window to be spawned
[22:27] <nshirelaptop> also opening any OS dialogue windows afterwards will be completely bugged out(all characters within the window will be the [][]-looking placeholder characters and images will be the blank placeholder image)
[22:28] <nshirelaptop> for example https://i.imgur.com/vBqafNP.png
[22:30] <nshirelaptop> ping nshire if this goes offline btw
[22:36] <jhutchins> nshirelaptop: Versions please.
[22:37] <sarnold> hah wow that's a wild screenshot
[22:37] <nshirelaptop> this has been happening for over a year btw, maybe 3+?
[22:37] <nshirelaptop> chromium: Version 99.0.4844.82 (Official Build) snap (64-bit)
[22:38] <nshirelaptop> Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
[22:38] <jhutchins> nshirelaptop: Ubuntu version?
[22:38] <jhutchins> nshirelaptop: Only happens in chromium?
[22:38] <nshirelaptop> 64-bit. gnome 3.36.8, x11,
[22:39] <nshirelaptop> seems so. I can't recall it happening in anything else
[22:39] <leftyfb> nshirelaptop: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; snap list chromium ; apt-cache policy chromium-browser ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:41] <nshirelaptop> https://termbin.com/eosy
[22:42] <leftyfb> nshirelaptop: I would suggest first installing linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 and updating your nvidia drivers
[22:42] <nshirelaptop> this laptop only has intel graphics
[22:42] <leftyfb> ah right, xps13, not 15
[22:42] <nshirelaptop> Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 520 (SKL GT2)
[22:42] <leftyfb> well, maybe start with the kernel
[22:42] <jhutchins> It looks like chromium isn't able to render the font for some reason.
[22:43] <jhutchins> If it were a video problem, I would expect it to affect other programs.
[22:43] <nshirelaptop> it works again for a while(tm) until it happens again. can't seem to manually trigger it, it kinda happens whenever it pleases
[22:44] <ogra> nshirelaptop, sudo snap set system experimental.refresh-app-awareness=true
[22:45] <ogra> nshirelaptop, chromium got updated while it was running, that breaks the dialogs (an update normally re-generates the font cache for the snap) ... if you set the above it will not get updated in the background and ask you to close the app in a notification
[22:46] <cocomo> hi, may not be the right place but any one know where elementary os .icc color profile are at? I wannt copy them for my gnome de, elementary os has very nice vivid display colors.
[22:46] <nshirelaptop> I think that is it actually, I remember running apt-upgrade today
[22:47] <leftyfb> nshirelaptop: apt-upgrade won't update snaps
[22:47] <ogra> nshirelaptop, sudo snap refresh ... snap is a different packaging system
[22:47] <nshirelaptop> well I guess it was actually apt upgrade not apt-upgrade. not sure if that matters.
[22:47] <ogra> nope )
[22:48] <ogra> 🙂
[22:48] <jhutchins> Oh, snap probably can't find/use/communicate properly with the main font system, probably trying to use it's own.
[22:48] <ogra> snaps update themselves (as you experienced in a bad way)
[22:48] <nshirelaptop> I'm content with just closing and reopening chromium or just waiting to upgrade now that I know what causes it
[22:49] <ogra> jhutchins, no, it uses the hosts font system (and that is the problem since snaps can run on pretty much any distro and fontconfig isnt API stable between versions)
[22:49] <oerheks> cocomo, likely in the standard folder?
[22:49] <ogra> so a snap refresh generates a new per-snap font cache
[22:49] <oerheks>  /usr/share/color/icc/
[22:50] <oerheks> and /usr/share/doc/icc-profiles/
[22:50] <cocomo> thanks a lot. (y)
[22:55] <yuesbeez> y/j pycharm
[22:56] <Langley> Hi, is it possible in Gnome Files to see all subfolders in a folder at the same time?
[22:57] <oerheks> sudo snap install pycharm-community pycharm-professional pycharm-educational --classic
[22:58] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/pycharm-educational  -- https://snapcraft.io/pycharm-community -- https://snapcraft.io/pycharm-professional  to read about the differences
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[23:30] <nshirelaptop> g